Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Generic Ballot

The generic ballot doesn't tell us a lot, but this jump post-Foley is stunning, according to USA Today/Gallup.

On the question of which party's candidate would receive their vote if the election were held today, Democrats held a 23-point lead over Republicans among every type of person questioned -- likely voters, registered voters and adults. That's the largest lead Democrats have held among registered voters since 1978 and a jump from last month's 48%-48% split among likely voters.

Government corruption, Iraq and terrorism were the three most important issues to poll respondents. They said Democrats would do a better job on all three. The party had a 21-point advantage on handling corruption and a 17-point advantage on Iraq. A longstanding GOP advantage on terrorism vanished; Democrats had a 5-point edge. In other indicators:

* 57% of registered voters say their own representative should be re-elected, the lowest since just before the 1994 Republican House sweep.

* 56% said it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq while 40% said it was not -- the biggest split in a year.

* Voters gave Democrats a 54%-28% advantage over Republicans concerning which party would handle gasoline prices better despite the recent drop in prices.

I've been meaning to write something on how 'issue' silos are really stupid, that a drop in handling of, say, moral values, also drops your favorability in handling Iraq or terrorism since these are all proxies for 'character'.  But I think I'll let these statistics speak for themselves.



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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

Accrding to SurveyUSA, the Dems lead on partisan ID 43-25, which is a change from 36-31.

That huge gap is temporary, of course, but a victory this November might help stabilize it in double-digits.


by PantherDem on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:28:08 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

CNN just reported its own poll found a 21 point lead among likely voters. Last poll was a 11 point lead. Also interesting is that support for Republicans didn't just drop, support for Democrats rose to 58%.

Among registered voters, he said, I believe, a thirteen point lead grew to sixteen.


by b1oody8romance7 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:32:10 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

And now I see that Gallup's poll was among likely voters as well. That is stunning.


by b1oody8romance7 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:34:55 PM EST
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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

So can election day be tommorrow?  Pretty please.  


by Eric11 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:05:13 PM EST
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15pts=300 seats (none / 0)

Mathematically, this advantage means the Dems, if the election were held today and these numbers are held, Dems would win 80+ seats in the House and likely the top 9 in the Senate (the Big 7 plus Carter and Pederson).  

Do we dare create an election night drinking game:  take a shot every time the Dems win a seat from the Republicans?


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:42:07 PM EST

Re: 15pts=300 seats (3.00 / 1)

If these numbers hold up, we would be drunk off our asses within 15 minutes of the first polls closing.


by beeswax49 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:54:40 PM EST
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Re: 15pts=300 seats (3.00 / 1)

I think after 40 shots or so we would all be dead from alcohol poisoning.  


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:59:53 PM EST
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Re: 15pts=300 seats (none / 0)

That's one way the Republicans can revenge on get us! "Sure, they one, but they all died celebrating..."


by jamfan on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 05:31:45 PM EST
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And next time I'll preview before posting... [n/t] (none / 0)


by jamfan on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 05:33:00 PM EST
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Re: 15pts=300 seats (none / 0)

I'll be drunk off my ass befor the polls close.


by David in Burbank on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 06:06:24 PM EST
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Re: 15pts=300 seats (none / 0)

not a bad idea either


by beeswax49 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 06:46:47 PM EST
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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

I hope the Dems diidn't peak too early. There's 4 weeks left.


by ab initio on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:48:42 PM EST

Peaking too soon? (3.00 / 1)

I hope the Dems diidn't peak too early. There's 4 weeks left.

Peaking too soon? They're down and floundering - and you're concerned about peaking too soon?

When the opposition is drowning you throw the bastards an anvil. If you haven't already done so, go find your local campaign headquarters and volunteer. Do something, anything. Now's the time.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:58:49 PM EST
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Re: Peaking too soon? (none / 0)

There is blood in the water.

Democrats are finally starting to act like they can and will win this election. They are not acting like a beaten party anymore.

The Foley scandal only directly impacts a few seats. Indirectly, it has energized the Democrats, and will lead to a Democratic landslide.


by wayward on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:06:16 PM EST
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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (3.00 / 1)

It's a concern. But the Republicans have precious little time to change the national dynamics of this cycle. Foleygate has now essentially taken away their message control for 2 weeks.


by dantheman on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 05:29:09 PM EST
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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

oops, north Korea just changed the subject.


by David in Burbank on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 06:07:19 PM EST
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No OneTrusts Republicans (none / 0)

The chickens are coming home to roost. Their base was the values voter. The independents were already bolting over Iraq and economic issues like the doughnut hole and the deficit. Now the base is imploding over the cover up of a sex predator.


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 04:51:09 PM EST

Re: Tipping point (none / 0)

Many have wondered why many other Americans couldn't
see what we saw in Bush and the Republicans, but now
the accumulated drip, drip, drip of incompetence, greed, arrogance, and obstinance have sunk in manifesting itself in a strong desire to get Republicans out of power.
by phillydem on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 05:03:44 PM EST

Party ID (none / 0)

I generally don't trust Gallup because their party ID swings all over the place. The beta in Gallup polls is huge - when other polls show movement of 3 points one way, Gallup shows a 7 point movement. In other words, we won't win the Congress by 23 points. It would mean a pickup of 62 seats, with Dems holding a 265-170 lead. It would be only 25 short of a veto-proof majority. It ain't gonna happen.

HOWEVER, Gallup polls tend to reflect real movement, even they exaggerate it. This poll moved from a tie to 23 points among likely voters. The same likely voter screen they used last time, which emphasizes 2002 and 2004 turnout, showed this massive lead for the Dems. Yet, the party ID shifted too, which for Gallup means a lot more Republicans called themselves Independents, and Independents called themselves Democrats. With other polls showing serious movement toward the Democrats, this Gallup poll might have the mojo right even if not the details.


by elrod on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 06:32:07 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage (none / 0)

That's great news but obviously a 21 or 23 point lead is absurd.

I think numbers like that are useful to understand the polling climate during the Foley scandal. It also applies to individual races and we're foolish not to understand that. Consequently, any polls taken within the past week or ten days, particularly in House races, should be viewed with extreme caution and skepticism.

We don't know how much legs that issue will have, but I would guess the polling taken two weeks from now on individual races will be more accurate than recent ones.


by Gary Kilbride on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 06:33:56 PM EST

Republican spending (none / 0)

It will be interesting to see where the Republicans spend their money over the next fortnight. That should give us a sense of where they are drawing the line post Foley. In the current climate you would imagine they will have to pull back from some of the original battlegrounds in order to defend territory linked directly or indirectly to Foley/Hastert.

The danger with these waves is that they hit races that just aren't prepared for such a swing. From much of what I've read I seriously believe that the body politic just hasn't come to terms with the impact that Foley will have on the election. With luck the Republicans will completely misjudge the scale of the disgust and end up losing seats they could have won.


by kundalini on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 07:42:44 PM EST

So hm.. how did the Generic Ballot look for (none / 0)

the GOP in October in 1994 I wonder...


Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 08:13:46 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage (none / 0)

23 points among likely voters?  Wow.  Just wow.  Even if that gets cut in half in the next 29 days, we would still win a healthy majority in the House.  

Never underestimate the power of a sex scandal.  Why?  Because everybody understands THAT.


by Bear83 on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 09:14:47 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (3.00 / 0)

I'm telling all y'all, the Foley scandal totally knocked the legs out from under the GOP. It's not about corruption, it's not even about sex ... it's about predation. The GOP has always said they'd protect Americans from predators like terrorists, but they couldn't even protect pages from one of their own.


by BriVT on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:05:49 PM EST

Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage in Gene (none / 0)

It knocked the legs out from under the GOP because the "values issues" are what the GOP always goes back to when things are down.

The Foley scandal means that the GOP is hemorraging "values voters". The Democrats sense this and are acting bolder than I can ever remember them acting.

This could get ugly (for them).


by wayward on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:08:16 PM EST
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Re: Democrats Jump to a 23 Point Advantage (none / 0)

Yes - And it could get ugly for the GOP all the way down the ballot in state races, state legislatures, judges, etc.  You name it, there will be some surprising results on Nov 8th. The gerrymandering they have pushed may finally come back to bite them.


by Bear83 on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:10:59 AM EST
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