Angry Joe Lieberman, Iraq'd

There were a couple of key moments in this debate.  The disruptive hecklers, which Lieberman blamed on Lamont, were actually part of LarouchePAC, a well-known cult-like political movement that has no significant presence inside either party.

Lieberman reversed himself yet again on Iraq.  In the debate, he said that the situation only started getting worse in February.  Yet in the primary debate, Lieberman said that "the situation in Iraq is a lot better."  This guy's a professional liar.  He saw the polls, changed his strategy because he knew that voters realized the situation was bad.  It's good he's getting angry and sloppy, and I imagine it has something to do with the possible criminal activity involving his petty cash disbursements.

Here's a little tidbit.  After the debate, Lieberman went up to Lamont and said "You goddam sonovobitch!"  And then he went on to said something along the lines of 'how dare you accuse me of voting for the Energy bill because of campaign contributions?'

Lieberman is angry again.  Nice.  

And he fully embraced his pro-war stance, in contrast to the ads he's been running about wanting to end the war and bring the troops home.  It's clear that Joe will just say anything.  He's a very very bad man.

Anyway, hopefully I'll have a wrap-up soon enough.  Ned did very well, appearing Senatorial, coherent, and passionate.  



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You goddamn sonovabitch! (none / 0)

Oh dear Lord, somebody better have caught that on tape.


by b1oody8romance7 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:37:12 PM EST

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Lieberman reversed himself yet again on Iraq.

Did Lamont call him on it?

Here's a little tidbit.  After the debate, Lieberman went up to Lamont and said "You goddam sonovobitch!"

Is the normal media going to actually cover that?


by Silent sound on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:37:41 PM EST

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I wonder if Chuck Schumer and the rest of the Incumbocrats realize that Joe's line to Ned is nothing compared to what Joe has in store for them if he wins.


by dr bloor on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:39:52 PM EST

I agree that Ned looked very senatorial (none / 0)

Ned was only candidate who remained cool and professional throughout.  

I saw Joe berating Ned at the end, on the local TV station's web feed, but it was cut off.  I couldn't tell what was being said, but Joe looked overly aggressive in this encounter.  I hope there is video and that it gets widely seen!


by xtrarich on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:44:13 PM EST

I agree that Ned looked very senatorial (none / 0)

Ned was only candidate who remained cool and professional throughout.  

I saw Joe berating Ned at the end, on the local TV station's web feed, but it was cut off.  I couldn't tell what was being said, but Joe looked overly aggressive in this encounter.  I hope there is video and that it gets widely seen!


by xtrarich on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:44:38 PM EST

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According to someone on FDL, yes, the comment was recorded for posterity on video, and will probably be posted to YouTube before long.

As was footage of the hecklers, who were positively ID'd as Larouche supporters, and who staged a Bush = Lieberman demonstration in the lobby after the debate ended.


by Sharoney on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:45:40 PM EST

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I sure hope you're right. He's way too slick when he knows the cameras are rolling. Wouldn't it be a coup if he gets shown for the jackass he is.


by Spiffarino on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:34:34 PM EST
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Time to send requests to CT MSM outlets for more news on Joe's tantrum.  Turn our time & energy into votes, as it were.


by jopan on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:54:55 PM EST

LaRouche (3.00 / 1)

Man, I have a special place in my brain for the LaRouche-ites; the same place where I hold Adolf Hitler and Dubya. They are some of the most annoying, and at the same time scary people I have ever met. My wonderful meeting occured at last year's California Democratic Party Convention. While  most of the interior was pretty fun (I'll explain in a sec why not all), there were LaRouche-ites all around the outside of the Sacramento Convention Hall, and they were fucking annoying. They would follow you, they would keep bugging you, even if you politely said "No." The bad part was that somehow they got a booth inside, and had all these weird things saying that they were trying to keep the FDR legacy going or some B.S. like that. At some point I was bitching to my friend, who had never heard of LaRouche, about this leaflet they had literally shoved into my hand, and we got into a debate with a LaRouche-ite behind me. Typical one, he was a young, Suburban college student who literally refered to Lyndon LaRouche the same way HJ refered to Adolf. He started spouting this bullshit about how great Reagan was for taking on the Soviet Union (yeah, real FDR legacy you got there buddy) and then said that LaRouche had predicted that a new Great Depression was coming 6 months from then (about now) because copper was becoming worth more than pennnies (which is true) and that people were gonna start melting down money to get to the original source (a super exaggeration). Either way logic didn't work with the guy, and all of them kept pissing me off and saying things like "I don't get why Democrats are so hostile to us?!" with super, dumb, brainwashed looks on their faces. Honestly, I would expect this from them, I just wish they hadn't made Ned look bad.


by JewishJake on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:03:30 PM EST

Re: LaRouche (none / 0)

The police had to throw the LaRouchePAC morons off a corner near my home in San Francisco.  They were actually assaulting people and the nearby business owners called the cops.  I don't know what it is about these 20 or 21-year-old suburban jerks but they sure are gullible.  I guess they go on to a life of Republicanhood.


by jwb on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:28:41 PM EST
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I often have to dodge LaRouchites on my way to work, when they have a table set up near Dupont Circle. I also ran into one at Lamont's fundraiser in DC during the Take Back America conference, and they show up at movie screenings the Center for American Progress holds.

The one good thing I can say about them is that they absolutely hate Sun Myung Moon. If only there were a way the Moonies and the LaRouchites could both lose that struggle.


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by KCinDC on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 12:12:44 AM EST
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The LaRouche folks are always on Penn's campus. Sometimes, I feel like stopping and bitching them out for their idiocy, but my less-petulant instincts tell me to keep minding my own business.

But they really are an assload of bonified morons.


by PsiFighter37 on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 12:29:59 AM EST
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I see them about once a week outside the Trader Joe's in Westchester (near LAX).  I got into it with the guy -- a doofusy guy in his 50's -- last week when he literally stood in my way of leaving and said, in my loudest speaking voice, "Didn't Lyndon LaRouche do time for tax evasion?"  The guy backed off and I could hear a sheepish "no..." from him.  


by VIc Arpeggio on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 01:38:15 PM EST
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The Journal News reported today that Dick Cheney was in Greenwich, CT for an RNC fundraiser.

However, by the looks of it, he was really in town to coach Sen. Lieberman on how to address people that speak the truth.


by aldon on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:19:12 PM EST

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And of course Alan Schlesinger was invited, Right?

Right? Hello, Bueller? Anyone?


by Sharoney on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 01:08:20 AM EST
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Re: Angry Joe Lieberman, Iraq'd (none / 0)

My questions:

Did Lamont call Lieberman out on the inconsistency?

and Can anyone else verify what Lieberman allegedly said to Lamont after the debate?


by MyDD Fan on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:03:36 PM EST

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I don't want to comment on the overall debate after viewing only the final 10-15 minutes, but the son of a bitch comment is intriguing. The electorate doesn't appreciate an ill-tempered and foul-mouthed candidate. It reminds me a little bit of Steve Largent on the '02 Oklahoma gov race, leading in the polls until being caught saying bullshit when asked about his whereabouts on, and reaction to, 9/11. That was a 3-way race also and Brad Henry was able to take advantage of the outburst by Largent, which was used by the 3rd party candidate in commercials, to stage a late unlikely comeback.

I just wish Lieberman's wording was more harsh, but perhaps the tone and the body language are devastating, if someone indeed has it on video.


by Gary Kilbride on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 12:32:22 AM EST

What good is this if the MSM doesn't report (none / 0)

THey have no problem replaying Dean's cream by exagerrating the sound. But they won't pick up on some juicy video of Lieberman calling Lamont a son of a bitch.

Lamont needs to put up an ad with Lieberman's greatest cheap shots

  • Declining Lamont's offer of website use when his incompetently put together site went down and then Lieberman acting like Lamont's people did it
  • THe Lieberman supporter who stole Lamont's yard signs. The guy is arrested. There should be an arrest pic somewhere
  • The fat Lieberman supporter who is a DC lobbyist . Just show clips of thata loser.
  • Lieberman consistently whinign about Lamont's attack voice over while showing videos of the other Liberman attacks on Lamont.

Anyway, the Lamont people should put together their own greatest highlights clip similar to what I put together above.
Then close out the monthage with Lieberman begging for courtesy in political discourse and then WHAM. Close it out with Lieberman calling Lamont a Son of a Bitch.

If they don't do something along these lines, someone needs to lose their job in the Lamont campaign.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 01:49:23 AM EST

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Doesn't Lieberman's performance belie a candidate who's cruising to a re-election victory with a 17% advantage in the polls?  Could Lieberman's own internal polls be telling him something completely different than what the putzes at the Q-Poll are bruiting publicly?  Lieberman's actions speak more like an incumbent who believes he's within the margin of error in his own polls and who can't help himself, because he can taste victory but can't quite find the serving to consume.  

Even his comment about having additional debates would indicate that he is not confident in the expected outcome given a purported current 17% advantage.  Why would he want more debates?  Was it just for show? Lamont should immediately call for more debates and force Joe to decide to either put up or shut up.  After having called for more debates and then declining them, Joe would show himself to be the coward he truly is.

Being angry, greedy and totally narcissistic is often not a good combination in a politician.  We've been getting treated to that combination repeatedly in CT for the last six years.  Lord, may that nightmare end in two weeks.


by VizierVic on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 07:03:36 AM EST

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I had a similar thought, but I think you hit on the answer to your own question.  Joe simply can't keep the lid on the narcissism that permeates his character.  Whereas guys like DANGERstein might look on the "Negative Ned" meme as nothing more than a campaign strategy, I think Joe genuinely believes it; he's a paranoid, thin-skinned baby who experiences any questioning of his performance as an unfair personal attack.  

Similarly, he's going to be as bad a winner as he is a loser.  In a Nixonian manner, no lead is big enough, no insult will go unnoted, and nothing is beyond payback.  His victory speech will be pleasant enough, but he's going to make life hell for everybody who didn't actively back him start to finish.  Particularly if the Democratic caucus is stupid enough to let him retain his seniority.


by dr bloor on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:58:53 AM EST
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This debate harkens back to the Dem 2004 presidential debates when all the candidates (and Lieberman in particular with his buddy Al Sharpton) ganged up on Dean. Now Lieberman is getting a taste of his own medicine.

Schlesinger is actually quite personable and funny. I like him (wouldn't vote for him). Hopefully he will catch on with the Republican voters.

Schelsinger needs some help raising his profile. If he had that help he would give Lieberman a run for his money in terms of the Republican voters.  Too bad some unaffiliated group has not run adds for Schelsinger. Club For Growth however I believe is tacitly supporting Lieberman.


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by stlseven on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:09:30 AM EST


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