Lieberman's Criminal Activity?

Ok, this is getting really weird.  Lieberman spoksewoman Tammy Sun is simply denying that the Lieberman campaign did anything wrong.

"This is just another reckless charge from a desperate campaign that is obsessed with reliving the primary," said Lieberman spokeswoman Tammy Sun. "The fact is, our attorney has assured us that the petty cash expenditures and the rest of our FEC report is in full compliance with the law's disclosure requirements just as every campaign Joe Lieberman has run for the last 18 years has been."

Who's the lawyer for Lieberman, because I don't believe that any competent lawyer would say anything of the sort.  The law is clear.  

A political committee may maintain a petty cash fund out of which it may make expenditures not in excess of $100 to any person per purchase or transaction. If a petty cash fund is maintained, it shall be the duty of the treasurer of the political committee to keep and maintain a written journal of all disbursements. This written journal shall include the name and address of every person to whom any disbursement is made, as well as the date, amount, and purpose of such disbursement. In addition, if any disbursement is made for a candidate, the journal shall include the name of that candidate and the office (including State and Congressional district) sought by such candidate.

This is $387,000, in cold hard cash.  We're not talking going out and getting donuts for some volunteers here.

This could be a serious legal situation for Lieberman, and he needs to explain it and not just go on the attack.  Vote-buying is illegal.  And if this were some sort of clerical error, why couldn't Tammy Sun just admit that and have the story go away?  



Display:


Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

It isn't moral, but the law says "to any person per purchase or transaction", which means they could legally pay a "volunteer" $100 for each street they canvassed.  Or, they could pay someone $100 for each comment they posted on MyDD and DailyKos.  

Right?


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:10:45 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Gee, that can't be the law or why would anyone ever pay income taxes or FICA taxes? Just petty cash the money and keep a journal of made up names that says you gave out a hundred dollars a day to each of them.  

It can't be legal.  Why are we all so upset about Abramoff taking Tom Delay golfing if its legal to take in money as campaign contributions and disappear it as "petty cash?"  


by Rowena on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:44:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

I'm afraid your sarcasm was so poorly worded that I missed your point.  If it is that our campaign finanace laws are bullshit, then you are right.  I would imagine under campaign finance law you could actually kill someone and receive cash for it.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 05:01:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Someone should talk to a few of the LieberKids - they were all over the place and you could spot them a mile away.


by Karatist Preacher on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:18:35 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Vote-buying is illegal.

So?

I don't recall a single candidate that was ever defeated because of illegalities in use of their campaign funds even though supporters or staff may have gone to jail.

Is Joe dirty?  Of course he is.

Will he be punished for being dirty?

No.

At least I don't think so.

Were it were otherwise.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:35:20 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

I had a thought- what if the netroots started organizing a network of people who can, with relatively quick turnaround, start filing for investigations for stuff like this? I dont know how it works, but I know lots of others do.


by Lucas O'Connor on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:38:33 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

see
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit-le gal.pdf for some pointers.  

by chiefscribe on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 09:14:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Isn't the AG in CT a Democrat? (none / 0)

Perhaps the grassroots in Connecticut should press him for an aggressive and early investigation.  Asking a few bagmen to appear before a local grand jury would be good for starters.  Start holding your breathe, now.


by Arthurkc on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:41:00 PM EST

Any lawyers here? (none / 0)

It looks like the Lieberman campaign is required to have a record of every one of the petty cash expenditures. Here's the relevant section from FindLaw (see petty cash rules, part C subsection H, parts 1&2

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/u scodes/2/chapters/14/subchapters/i/secti ons/section_432.html

(c) Recordkeeping - The treasurer of a political committee shall keep an account of -
   (5) the name and address of every person to whom any disbursement is made, the date, amount, and purpose of the disbursement, and the name of the candidate and the office sought by the candidate, if any, for whom the disbursement was made, including a receipt, invoice, or canceled check for each disbursement in excess of $200.

Every time petty cash is handed out, even for amounts less than $100, the Lieberman campaign has to record the Name, Date, and Purpose of the disbursement. I don't know how the law views cumulative dispursements. Is a $75-a-day for the same campaign worker 3 days in a row a disbursement over $200? Room and board for an out of state canvasser?


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 09:12:49 PM EST

Re: Any lawyers here? (none / 0)

I remember working in the dining hall once when I was in college a long long time ago and I got a W-2 the following year for $6 and change.  How can a political campaign be paying people money and not have to report it to the IRS like any employer would?


by Rowena on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 12:02:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Any lawyers here? (none / 0)

Rowena makes a good point about the IRS angle, re: employment matters. That's a good question to ask: If these disbursements were for the Lieberkids, did Joe file the proper paperwork so that the IRS isn't coming after him OR the campaign workers for tax evasion/fraud/whatever?

However, for general money-handling in campaigns, I always noticed in the campaigns I worked on that every single dime was accounted for, by law, even for the proverbial donuts for volunteers mentioned in another post. Immediately, and accurately.

Or maybe I worked on the campaigns of exceptionally scrupulous and diligent candidates/campaign workers/treasurers.

Still, the money end is one of the most difficult things to manage in a campaign--so many laws and regulations (admittedly with good reason), and so few people who can do it right, never mind qualified to do it right!

Given that sad fact, mistakes do happen, and there's no crime in saying, hey, our treasurer got some numbers jumbled somewhere. But I don't think this is that kind of mistake. Even in the craziest campaign, you'd notice $300K missing from petty cash, tout suite!

It's also not unusual when a campaign is a few thousand off--sometimes the books get off-kilter for anywhere from a month to two months from lags between logging income and outgo, computer glitches, etc., and a cram-session audit can get the figures up to par again within a day or two (or maybe a few more, for a really big campagin). But hundreds of thousands of dollars not showing up? After all these months?

Uh uh.

No way.

The only times I've known candidates to show up with "discrepancies" this large in their petty cash fund were when they were doing something not-quite-right with it (or even downright illegal).

Oh--and Tammy? Your lawyer can say anything he wants, but the lawyers of Mafiosi also say that their clients are acting legally.

That doesn't mean they ARE.

BIG DIFFERENCE.


by Aquaria on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 05:00:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

So, will Lamont run ads about this?  'Ask' if Lieberman is buying votes?  Stop taking the high road, and hit the bastard.


by mfeld356 on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 09:13:44 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

This could stimulate people's imaginations about how to possibley spend that much money in $100 increments. Lots of good gag potential here. Will $100.00 still buy a hooker in CT? Make Joe into a laughing stock. He can't pass the smell test.


by Fridley on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:11:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Not a good one, but that probably isn't relevant :)


by Lucas O'Connor on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:35:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Richard Nixon is the politician most commonly associated with slush funds.  Heres something interesting from the Mark/Felt deep throat story: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0 505/31/lt.03.html

Toobin:   "Right. And if you remember -- and this is particularly vividly portrayed in the great movie version of "All The President's Men," where you'll recall Hal Holbrook played Deep Throat. And the thing that he always said to Woodward and Bernstein was, follow the money, follow the money. And it was through the control of the slush funds that Woodward and Bernstein uncovered, you know, how they -- they learned who controlled the slush funds that ultimately went to pay the Watergate burglars and pay for the various cover-ups. That was how the story was broken, and it was Deep Throat who kept pressing Woodward and Bernstein to follow the money."

A politician doesn't set up a slush fund unless they're doing something really dirty with the money.


by Rowena on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:55:31 PM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Eh, I donno if there is a "there" there.

We're talking 350,000 over 14 days.  That's 25k a day.  If we're talking about, say, 30 bucks for each volunteer for housing and 15 bucks a day for a food allowance, then that's around 550 volunteers.  Considering we knew that pretty much every single Republican hack east of the Mississippi river was in CT "volunteering" for Lieberman, that's not unreasonable.

And while 15 bucks is reasonable for food, housing, if in hotels, would be more like 70 bucks a night.

They would have to get a bit tricky on the accounting, to make sure that, say, someone staying 5 nights in a hotel was billed seperately each night.  But I'm pretty sure they could do it legally.

Ethically, that's another question...


by dansomone on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 10:25:53 AM EST

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

I don't think anyone has (seriously) alleged that Joe was slipping folks C-notes or passing out vouchers for hookers on the way into the voting booth.  The point is, that not keeping appropriate records is on the face a violation of campaign (and mebbe tax) laws.

Your explanation is credible (although I think your numbers are a little generous).  Why wouldn't the Lieberbot 2006 responding to the charges offer something as credible?


by dr bloor on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:29:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lieberman's Criminal Activity? (none / 0)

Good question.  :)

As for the numbers, they're not that generous.  I don't know if you've ever gone away from home to campaign, but you have to eat out 3 meals a day.  That gets really expensive.  

Housing, I'm not sure.  I'm assuming they went for cheap hotels, cause I really doubt that there were hundreds of CT residents willing to house the Lieberbots.  Even cheap hotels cost over 50-70 bucks a night, at least in more urban areas of CT.


by dansomone on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 02:19:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No one thinks the money went to volunteers (none / 0)

Thats a cover for giving out large amounts to people who CANNOT be paid on the books.  They could pay volunteers or field workers on the books; no way would they set themselves up for any kind of a violation to give volunteers and field workers cash. Just a hint:  Connecticut had a recent scandal of their governor taking bribes by way of work on his home.  

If you think that calling it "stipend volunteers" means that the money actually went to a lot of low level people, I think you're not seeing the forest for trees.


by Rowena on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 02:57:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.