Why Barack Obama Should Run for President

Though you probably know me as someone who's not a fan of Barack Obama, I do want the Senator to run for President in 2008.  I think it would be good for him, good for the party, and good for the country.  I'm big on process, on public debate, on public deliberation, and we need his voice in the fray.  We need to hear from him, what's his vision?  What are his principles?  What kind of America does he support?  How will he stand up to pressure when he is debating other Democrats?  In other words, what, exactly is his voice?  Is he the Barack Obama who criticizes our political system for its smallness, its lack of vision, as he puts it in his stump speech?  Or is he the Barack Obama who praises George Bush, and goes along and gets along in the Senate, ruffling no feathers and making sure that the smallness of our system is what he embraces?  Or is the Barack Obama that thinks that this country is not ready for the sacrifices he knows are coming, and so will revel in his symbolic emptiness?  

I think there are two keys to understanding Barack.  The first is to look at his formative political experience, the seering loss to machine politician Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary in 2000.  Before Brand Obama emerged, the Senator got destroyed by bucking the system.  Losing to a machine, as Cory Booker also did, does strange things to idealistic-appearing hyperambitious politicians.  It makes them a lot more wary of picking fights and making enemies, and it makes them a lot more inclined to cultivate chits and work within a system they know isn't working.

And Obama knows America is broken.  He knows it, he gets it, and that's why he is so aggressively dismissive of progressives.  He feels that he is one of us, and so we should understand why he has to have contempt for us.  Here is, for instance, what he wrote on Daily Kos:

Unless we are open to new ideas, and not just new packaging, we won't change enough hearts and minds to initiate a serious energy or fiscal policy that calls for serious sacrifice.

Barack Obama knows we must change, but he also knows the penalty for fighting for change.  This internal contradiction comes out in his sickening praise of Bush, whom he praised today on Meet the Press, or in his embrace of bipartisanship for him and his Senate buddies.  It comes out in a strong disdain for progressives, be it random sneering insults towards liberals or pandering to an authoritarian pagan right-wing evangelical tribalism.  He doesn't like that we make him revisit his loss to Bobby Rush, because the last thing he wants to think of himself as is a loser, and because we make him make choices.  You know, like the choice he made to not go to Connecticut to campaign for Ned Lamont, which we will remember as the unprincipled betrayal of the Democratic Party that it is.  We want to hold him accountable for the dreams that are invested in his persona, and he doesn't want to be responsible for the hope of millions, though he does want to sell a book called The Audacity of Hope.

So why, after all of this, do I think he should run for President?  It would be good for everyone if he did.  For the Democratic Party, we would be able to engage our hero in a debate over policies and ideas, and we'd be able to take him down off a pedestal and actually grapple together with common challenges.  That would make us as a party stronger.  For the country, all Americans would be able to move beyond the rock star persona, and get to the substance, and that would be good.  Public debate is better than rock star adulation.

And for Obama?  Well, Obama is scared.  He hasn't had to make choices for a long time, and he knows he has a limited timeframe in which to capitalize on the brand he has out there.  His brand has a shelf-life, and running for President would force him to clarify what he wants to mean beyond gorgeous ambitiion.  That would be good for him as a politician, and as a man.  We haven't yet seen what a Barack Obama would fight for in a public debate, and it's something I'd like to see.  I'd like to see him enter the contest, and in all likelihood get crushed for being a go-along-get-along politician.  Only then can he become a great Senator or President, after he realizes that it's not about being liked by everyone, it's about being a principled human being.

And I guess I'd finally say that I know it doesn't seem like it, but he's running out of time.  Sooner or later, he's going to run smackdab into another brand, say, an Eliot Spitzer, who is good at fighting for his principles.  And in that choice, when Obama has to face his first round of negative ads, and his first real negative campaign on a state or national level, does he really want to face the charge that he's a pretty face and an empty suit?  Is that what he wants to be known as?  I hope not.  That's not what I want for this incredibly talented and brilliant man, and that's not what I hope for our Democratic Party.  That's not what we need as a country, and we're going to get something more than that in the next twenty years.

Or at least, I'm audacious enough to hope that we will.



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Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 2)

I watched the MTP interview this morning and was struck by two things:   1) Obama sounded like more of a novice than Edwards did at a similar point, and 2) he's channeling Clinton.

Is he as 'audacious' as everyone says he is?  I'm not sure I see anything audacious, but he has gotten very good at senatorial equanimity.  Everyone seems to think he's full of passion, but the only time I've ever seen him passionate is when he showed up at dKos to tell us all to behave.  

But all this talk in the press is probably a result of something more than book sales.  Beyond thoughtful considerations (like this post by Stoller),  I think maybe he's being pushed behind the scenes by the Clinton folks who might see him as an ideal VP.  Many times in the Russert interview, I could swear I heard Obama echoing the "anti-ideology" argument of Bill Clinton's speech last week.  Hmm, I thought.  I suspect Clinton's "no more ideology" message could be the "bridge to the 21st century" tagline of the, uh, 21st century.   And either Obama is already on board with it, or he thinks that's the winning angle moving forward.

Either way, I look forward to reading the new book.  


by Jeffrey Feldman on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:19:10 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 1)

Oh my. What an astute observation. Makes me wonder. What if Obama is really running for VP with Hillary? Is the game plan to wash down the medicine with a spoonful of sugar? Will voters admire Obama enough to carry Hillary? The players are certainly right. Lieberman was Obama's mentor in the Senate. Bill and Hillary were active in Lieberman's first campaign. Ugh. What a horrible thought.


by grayslady on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:31:56 PM EST
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I sure hope not (none / 0)

I wrote in a comment above about how I'd like to see Obama go into a dogfight expecting to lose, lay all his chips on the table and duke it out with some political heavyweights, but running for VP... that's like the wimpiest thing he could be doing right now. It'd be a smart political move for the short term, but I would lose all respect for him as a man of vision -- at least, any vision other than his own self-indulgent ladder-climbing.


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by msnook on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 09:48:12 PM EST
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VP even more senseless than prez! (none / 0)

Figure: two years ago, this guy was in his second term in the IL Senate, his first elected public office (so far as I'm aware).

And now folks are suggesting he run for prez?

Even if his Dad had been not Kenyan but Canadian, that wouldn't make much sense!

Let the guy retain his seat in 2010, then think about what he might want to do - and, as important, what the voters might let him do.

Seems he has a rather firmer grasp on the realities of political life than some of his friends in the sphere.

(VP is dumb - because, if you're going for a total fluke, why not go for the big one?)


by skeptic06 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:07:10 AM EST
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Re: VP even more senseless than prez! (none / 0)

The one thing I think I've learned over the past 6 years or so is that being president is all about making choices. It really has nothing to do with how "experienced" you maybe in government. You're not being asked to write white papers and quite honestly, to even develop policies yourself. Do you really think an extra 8 years in teh Senate is going to guarantee that you're going to be on the right side of all of the major questions that the country faces? You surround yourself with the best experts and you make choices as to what course you feel the country would be best served in following and most importantly effectively communicating this to the American people. I'm anxious to see who Matt and the others would like to see carrying the Democrat's banner in '08.


by highgrade on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 07:02:31 PM EST
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I Agree Completely, Jeffrey, Except... (none / 0)

for the part about reading the book.

The analysis, however, is spot on, IMHO.

p.s.  Remember, everyone, "It's about competence, not ideology!" was Michael Dukakis's war cry.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:27:46 PM EST
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Re: I Agree Completely, Jeffrey, Except... (none / 0)

I think that both of your opinions are fairly near bizarre.  I don't get impuning a man's character--based on scant evidence, IMHO--really for no other reason than that he isn't left-wing enough for you.

Oh well.  And so it begins: the great post-Iraq liberal blogosphere consensus will soon be torn apart.  I foresee about 15 months of  presidential bickering.  This is just the primer. :)


by Jonathan Schwartz on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 12:08:32 AM EST
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That's Not It At All (none / 0)

You may simply be unaware of it, but Obama has been doing a bit of a Mini Me to Lieberman's Dr. Evil, bashing progressives and make kissy face with Bush.  That's what our problem is with.  It has nothing to do with his place on the political spectrum.  It has everything to do with--ahem!--CHARACTER.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 02:47:07 AM EST
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Good gawd, Matt. Is this an attack on Obama? (none / 0)

I don't see the welcoming mat in your post. More like a thinly veiled hit piece.

Personally, I welcome all the fresh faces to the '08 table. I'm sick and tired of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, but more Kerry than Clinton.

If Obama wants to join the frey, good for him. Good for Dodd, Bill Richardson, Vilsack and Bayh.


by rosebowl on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:26:59 PM EST

Re: Good gawd, Matt. Is this an attack on Obama? (none / 0)

More like a thinly veiled hit piece.

Agreed.  

Matt, next time you want to not sound like an irrational anti-Obama partisan, don't compare Spitzer favorably to him.  It gives away your game.


by Disputo on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:01:21 PM EST
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Look In The Mirror, Dude! (3.00 / 2)

The next time you want to not sound like an irrational Obama partisan, don't call someone who's a thoughtful critic "irrational."  It gives away your game.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:30:26 PM EST
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Re: Good gawd, Matt. Is this an attack on Obama? (3.00 / 1)

When I want to write a hit piece, I write a hit piece.  I want Obama to run because I think he'll crumple, and I want him to crumple under a national spotlight so that he realizes how problematic his behavior has been and so that we realize that we have to stop worshiping rock stars.  But he may come through the crucible with principle in tact, in which case he'll deserve to be President, and may be a great President.

It's not supposed to be easy, even for Obama.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:36:16 PM EST
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Re: Good gawd, Matt. Is this an attack on Obama? (none / 0)

This was no hit piece.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:36:29 PM EST
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You Have More Faith In The Process Than I Do (none / 0)

Your logic sound.  I just can't quite get behind the assumption of faith.  It works that way in the movies, but...


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:57:01 PM EST
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Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 2)

I think Obama is great, but still a little overrated.  I watched an interview with him the other night, and it just seemed to me like he had popped a Joe Lieberman pill before the interview began.  What he was saying just reminded me of the same 'ole bi-partisan go-along-to-get-along love blather that we've heard from so many Dems for too long.  Yeah, he sounded great, the package was more attractive, but the high looked the same to me.  

Sometimes, bi-partisanship isn't good.  Sometimes, partisanship is needed, especially when one side has conducted itself in a less than honorable manner.  I don't think Dems should conduct themselves the way Reps have these last few years, but I think acknowledging and fighting against the partisan vitriol of the other side is completely fair--and right.  I mean, one would think the last few elections would have taught Dems that fighting is important.  Especially when you're fighting the good fight.  


by KC on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:33:28 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 4)

I think Matt is spot on here. Barack wants to run to the center, but there is NO center anymore in electoral politics. Not as long as the 30 percent theocratic vote will allow the Republicans to demonize the opposition. It's a war, baby. Like it or not. Be ready to fight it, or stay home and cry about the nastiness.


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by mikmaher on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:09:59 PM EST
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THERE IS TOO A CENTER (none / 0)

In two weeks we are going to see them swing left.


by aiko on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 09:07:46 AM EST
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How about... (none / 0)

Obama in '08 because so many people love him so much that he would, in my opinion, be able to steamroll any of the squishy GOP "moderates" that seem to be favored to win the nomination thus far. Or at least he would start out a campaign as a heavy favorite.

All this compared to the uphill battle that is Hillary RODHAM Clinton. And I'm not saying that someone with more convictions but with less superstar power like Edwards can't win, because we all know he could, but hey, it's better to start out closer to your goal.


by b1oody8romance7 on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:34:50 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

I suspect that if Obama runs, it will end up siphoning votes away from Hillary and possibly dooming her campaign, allowing a real (i.e. fighting and principled) Dem to sidestep all this "rock star" nonsense and win.

So far, from what I've seen, Obama, like Hillary, is all hat no cattle, i.e. all talk, no action. Triangulation is sooooooooo over, and voters want leaders who can, will and have walked the walk and not just talk the talk like these two strutting peacocks.

Let them battle it out for the hearts and minds of the Lieberman/DLC/DINO wing of the party, while real Dem voters nominate a real Dem nominee, like Feingold, Clark or some dark horse to be named later.

I can't believe that so many "Dems" are actually falling for his fluff act posing as gravitas. He might be smart, but strong leadership is about a lot more than that. Character matters, perhaps more than anything else, and is revealed through actions, not words, and taking principled and risky stands, not hiding behind pretty speeches and comforting bromides.

Perhaps Mr. Obama should study the example of and learn from another well-known politician from his home state, who was also good with words, but also with actions, some seven score and six years ago...


by kovie on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 06:52:00 PM EST

Honest Abe Lost An Election, Too (none / 0)

For opposing the Mexican-American War.  His response was a bit more elevated, IMHO.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:14:21 PM EST
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Re: Honest Abe Lost An Election, Too (3.00 / 1)

A tactical loss that ended up being a strategic victory for him and the nation. There are compromises that you have to or should make. And there are compromises that you simply cannot, and must not, make.

Calling Bush a "decent man" after all that we know about him and his administration is the sort of compromise that I simply cannot respect. what on earth does this accomplish except maybe getting him a tepid nod of approval from Repubs who would still be unlikely to vote for him, as the sort of Dem that they like? Do we really need another Lieberman, or at least Hillary?

I've been around and observed politics long enough to know not to trust let alone place my faith in a person like Obama. Something just doesn't fit. I'm not saying that he's a bad person, just that he's an insubstantial person, at least as a politician, for taking the easy rather than principled road--especially when that road accomplishes nothing for the party or country. Even Clinton, the master of the triangulating suck-up, accomplished serious things (both good and bad, of course). Obama, not so much.

Until he actually gets some tangible things done in the senate, I'd prefer that he lay low and not take so many unearned curtain calls, let alone provide cover for the right and make things harder for the left.

Lincoln was also a bit of a publicity-seeking and very ambitious politician, but he brought some serious goods to the table. Obama, not so much. Hopefully, that will change, but until then, he needs to STFU and get out of the way and stop hogging up all the limelight that more deserving Dems have earned.

Unless, that is, as I've speculated above, his role--whether strategic or inadvertent--is to cut into Hillary's limelight and make it easier for a better Dem to get the nomination. But that's pure speculation on my part.


by kovie on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:55:55 PM EST
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Re: Honest Abe Lost An Election, Too (none / 0)

Tangible things like what? Obama leads the Senate's efforts on preparing the nation for an outbreak of the avian flu. He has traveled to Senator Lugar to Ukraine to inspect piles of aging unsecured conventional weapons and is co-sponsoring legislation to secure same. Far from what the far left would like, he has offered perhaps one of the most mature responses to Iraq. Remember he voted against the war, but he also points out that, "we have to manage our exit in a responsible way--with the hope of leaving a stable foundation for the future, but at the very least taking care not to plunge the country into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis". Iraq didn't ask to be liberated. The United States can't up and leave because they oh, just so happened not to find WMD or any connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda. His response is the principled thing to do.

And all this nonsense about experience or the lack thereof is overrated. You were all hyped about Howard Dean, the former governor of VT. A state with less people than the borough of Staten Island where I used to live. Experience huh? What a huge budget!? Where has all of Bush's experience led us. Talk about principles. What do you stand for, at least Obama's out there. Something ain't right? you ain't right!


by africanito on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 12:36:59 PM EST
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Re: Honest Abe Lost An Election, Too (none / 0)

add: He opposed the war, not voted against it. Obviously, he wasn't in the Senate then.


by africanito on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 12:38:33 PM EST
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Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 1)

Look next to the word 'trimmer' in a good dictionary, and Mr. Obama's picture will be right there.

Him and McCail, they can duke it out in '08 in The Battle of the Bios.


by Davis X Machina on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:03:32 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

McCain would bury Obama.


by pelican on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:10:15 PM EST
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Oh Please! (none / 0)

The one thing Obama can do is blow smoke.  Which is what campaigning for President is all about.  This would do nothing whatsoever to force him to reveal his true self.  Nor would it force any sort of clarification.  Obfuscation, not clarification, is the watchword for presidential campaigns these days.

OTOH, I think that you're absolutely spot on when you say:

I think there are two keys to understanding Barack.  The first is to look at his formative political experience, the seering loss to machine politician Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary in 2000.  Before Brand Obama emerged, the Senator got destroyed by bucking the system.  Losing to a machine, as Cory Booker also did, does strange things to idealistic-appearing hyperambitious politicians.  It makes them a lot more wary of picking fights and making enemies, and it makes them a lot more inclined to cultivate chits and work within a system they know isn't working.

And Obama knows America is broken.  He knows it, he gets it, and that's why he is so aggressively dismissive of progressives.  He feels that he is one of us, and so we should understand why he has to have contempt for us.

Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!

Haven't read his book.  Have no intention of doing so.  But I can recommend a more accurate title: The Mendacity of "Hope".

Snake oil, anyone???


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:11:30 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (3.00 / 1)

I'm still staking it out for Feingold. One of the reasons I love him is how he is able to A. change public perception B. crazily predict the future and C. exceed expectations. Obama has a great imagine of a non-partisan reformer respected by a large part of the population, but I fear he's too young for the spotlight. And more than all, I'd love a McCain versus Feingold election where we can use the slogan "Feingold - he makes McCain look like a crook" Why? Because Feingold's integrity, once publicized and televised, transcends all demographic groups... that is why afterall McCain was (initially) popular.


by KainIIIC on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:28:44 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

Barack Obama is the most intelligent and most charismatic politician on the scene. The question is this- Does he have the internal sense of mission and  the maturity to handle the heat of running for president? He has the potential to be a healing force in this country. Can he do it? Tom Oliphaunt addressed that question this week and said that Barack has to decide if he defers to Hillary or if he is the man and now is the time. The answer to that will mean whether he really is the man.


by cmpnwtr on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:33:55 PM EST

Prove Your Worth Mr. Stoller. Why should (none / 0)

Barack Obama find your brand of progressivism a winning strategy for 08. What is is about this particular brand that will help catapault any candidate through the rough and tumble Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire gantlet.  Is progressivism (or at least your brand of it) pro-union, pro-ag, pro-family. Let's hear it, Mr. Stoller.


by mwchicago04 on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:45:21 PM EST

I like your argument. Any candidate will have to (none / 0)

appeal to these three blocs to get through the early stages of the 08 campaign.  


by mwchicago04 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 07:24:51 AM EST
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Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

I don't doubt he would be capable of contributing the public dialogue.

That said, less than one term US senators--like 1 term governors (e.g., Mark Warner) make an odd choice for presidential timber.

I lived in IL during Obama's run for the Senate and chose to write in a friend (who has shown up as a write-in for me whenever I couldn't stomach the machine hack the Dems were foisting upon me--but I will NOT vote for a GOPer for anythying).

During the waning days of the Senate race, Obama, when he was at least 50 points ahead of Keyes in the polling, opted to blast gay marriage. He wasn't asked about it. He could gain nothing more electorally. It was the gratuitous blast at those who were going to vote for him anyway.

So while I think he does add value and his keynote was great in 2004, I don't see 2008 as making sense.


by Cobalt on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:16:57 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

During the waning days of the Senate race, Obama, when he was at least 50 points ahead of Keyes in the polling, opted to blast gay marriage. He wasn't asked about it. He could gain nothing more electorally. It was the gratuitous blast at those who were going to vote for him anyway.

He was already thinking in terms of the Presidency-as-written-by-Lieberman route.  He wasn't going to risk having a -- GASP! -- history of tolerance and decency in his past, like Romney.


by Phoenix Woman on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 08:59:49 AM EST
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Barack Obama Should Not Run for President (none / 0)

I do not think Barak Obama should run for President because he is clearly not ready for the job and frankly after 6 years of a light weight ideologue as President I am not looking for someone who will need serious on the job training.  The guy hasn't even served 2 years in the Senate yet and before that served 8 years in the Illinois Senate.  No offense, but he pretty green right now and would do himself and the country some good to get some serious experience in the Senate or maybe as IL Gov b/f deciding to run for President.

Obama may very well have a bright future in American politics but one speech and 20 months in the US Senate do not a President make.  I completely disagree with Matt and think Obama would do the country and himself a lot of good to sit out this race and let those ready to be President day one run.  I view the Presidential primaries as an interview process as much as a debating society and Obama's resume just doesn't stack up right now.

I should add that I have nothing against Barak Obama.  He seems relatively impressive for a junior member of the Senate.  However, there is a reason that people don't go straight to the top job in either politics or business.  Experience matters and he just doesn't have it yet.


by John Mills on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 09:43:39 PM EST

Voters look hard at experience (none / 0)

Then they look again when the media begins its ritual gravitas beating.


by stevehigh on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:56:44 PM EST
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Re: Voters look hard at experience (none / 0)

There is definately some truth to that but experience is very important to me.  It is not the only thing but Obama is out for me b/c he does not have the gravitas to be Prez in 2009.  He might in 5-10 yrs but not today and I am not big on not ready for prime time candidates.  Nothing against Obama - I think he has a bright future - but 2008 is not his year.


by John Mills on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:17:42 PM EST
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Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

I can't help having a growing suspicion that something is in the forge now, as firmly as choosing Boston for the DNC last time, and that a Clinton/Obama steamroller is getting ready to plow right through the nomination.

I have to confess also, that at the moment it feels more good than bad...


by JoeFelice on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:02:34 PM EST

cleaning (1.00 / 1)

I hear Paul Rosenburg is an avid reader.  I hear democrats like to have an open discussion about ideas.   I hear things.  But i've never read real books.  You kids should be ashamed of your censorship. I at least hope you've learned something.

Great start our taking over congress.  Really showing some great leadership on honestly and values.   And supression of ideas.


by democracyinalbany on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:47:50 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

As was said before, looks like a thinly veiled hit piece to me.

Obama > Stoller


by Epitome22 on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:12:19 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

Obama has plenty of time.  Not if he stays in Congress.  But he's a powerful enough figure already to retain an occasional spotlight for the next 20 years.  Personally I hope he does run for President in 2008 just because no one else in the field does much for me.  But he's already a strong candidate for that office now or in the future.


by tomanjeri on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:44:19 PM EST

I posted this once before but it got deleted (none / 0)

i posted several comments on this thread that seem to be absent.  I guess I pissed off the people who run the blog who don't like free expression.   here is one of the ones that got deleted.   I commented that the ass who made this statement sounded a lot more like a republican than someone that should be posting on this site.

Haven't read his book.  Have no intention of doing so.

But my comment got deleted.  I guess condemning books you haven't read is not a progressive value.  Questioning that practice apparently is not.   Oh, well.  Like Bill Hicks said....the puppet on the right..vs. the puppet on the left.  Shame on whoever deleted that comment.  


by democracyinalbany on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:44:35 PM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

If you have ever met the Senator, you would know that he does not shy away from talking about policy.  His 2004 stump was almost too wonky, if anything.

If you want to address him on policy, then why not do so?  It's not as though he hasn't taken numerous positions on issues.


by LPMandrake on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 12:10:13 AM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

I am amazed and somewhat stupefied about the Obama fan club! How can anyone seriously think that he is anywhere near-ready for an office like the Presidency? Exactly what has he shown in his public career, except for "charisma" and rhetoric, to lead  people to push for his candidacy for President? Unfortunately, I think that indeed is the answer - he has a certain stage charisma, and he can give a good speech! Are we Democrats that desperate that we would opt for a bit of shallow glamor, rather than hold out for someone with substance and maturity?
Or have we truly become so hungry for Power, just like the Repugs, that we'll drop our pants for the sake of a big smile and a nifty turn-of-phrase?
 
by disgusted on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 12:14:02 AM EST

Re: Why Barack Obama Should Run for President (none / 0)

There is no job on the planet like being the President of the United States.  That being said, what does qualify Obama for the job?  How about his intelligence and vision for change?  He is a deep thinker who has a great track record on progressive issues.  While most Democrats were equivocating, Senator Obama was speaking out against the war in Iraq.  He's good on the environment, health care, taxes, abortion, education... you can pretty much pick any issue and see how he would be great for America.

And while you might laugh off his ability to give a speech, if you can't communicate your message to the people you will be a poor President.  Being able to explain your position clearly is an absolute must if you're going to thrive politically.  That agenda I briefly covered above?  It won't mean a thing if he isn't an effective communicator.  And that's true for any candidate.


by LPMandrake on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 03:16:39 AM EST
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There's no way Obama could survive umpteen debates with 5 or 6 candidates assailing him while keeping his "centrist" mantra. The debates will eventually force him to take clear positions that may make him take uncomfortably "progressive" stances. It happened in the 2003 run up.

Its just too easy to take no side when your on the sideline, but when he's in the spotlight he's gonna have to have clear cut principles and positions that are going to get attacked.

It might be easier to just have Hillary take the fire in the run up to the primaries and pick Obama as an early VP.

I think it'll be hard for McCain also. When you're not on any side people wonder if you're on their side, but he's already sold out on a lot of his principles to position himself for the primaries.


by ugottabkidding on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 05:36:15 AM EST

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I'd also like to thank everyone for not bringing up race.

It's too bad I had to bring it up. Ignore this post.


by ugottabkidding on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 05:38:47 AM EST

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The Senate has proved the death of many a great presidential career. James Bryce's thoughts on how a record of votes ruins a campaign remain true, a century on, and the governor's mansion with its more limited capacity to establish such a record remains the best place to launch a bid for the top job.

If Obama waits till 2010 or even 2014, he'll have done too much to seek higher office. I think he's the obvious Veep choice for someone like Edwards, and perhaps even Hillary might consider him -- except that I don't think Hillary will get the nom, and if she does, she won't win.

The alternative might be to look to the Illinois governorship in 2010, but even that might be too late.


by etagloh on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 08:04:08 AM EST

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Having him as governor first would help, but if Blagojevich managed to survive the last few years, he may not be giving up that mansion anytime soon.

Abraham Lincoln only served one mediocre term in the House before later becoming the best president the country ever had.  So Obama's lack of experience in higher office doesn't need to be a strike against him, as long as he has the brains and the character.

In fact, his inexperience may be a good thing, because he will have spent far less time in DC or in a mansion, insulated from the people he is supposed to represent.


by Apt604 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:14:15 AM EST
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This thread just paints in neon colors why we lose general elections. Smells like the "well...you know...Bush and Gore are, like, the same, man..." threads I used to read in 2000. 6 years later and how well did that theory work out?

Playing this more-progressive-than-thou game is self and party-destructive.

Look at the Democratic field of 1984:

Reubin O'D. Askew, Alan M. Cranston, John H. Glenn Jr., Gary W. Hart, Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings, Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, George S. McGovern,  and Walter F. Mondale

1988:

Bruce E. Babbitt, Joseph R. Biden Jr., Michael S. Dukakis, Richard A. "Dick" Gephardt, Albert A. Gore Jr., Gary W. Hart, Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Patricia Schroeder, and Paul M. Simon

1992:

Larry Agran, Jerry Brown, Bill Clinton, Tom Harkin, Bob Kerrey,
Tom Laughlin, Eugene McCarthy, Paul Tsongas, Douglas Wilder, and Charles Woods

2000:

Bill Bradley and Al Gore

2004:

Carol Moseley Braun, Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Dick Gephardt, Bob Graham, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Lieberman, Rev. Al Sharpton

A potential slate of Kerry, Gore, Edwards, Clinton, Obama, Bayh, Vilsack, Clark, Richardson, Dodd, Feingold and Biden would represent easily the best group we've fielded in a generation or more, with representation across the entire depth of the Democratic party. Please don't submarine candidates before they've even had a chance to throw their hat in the ring.


by Daaaaave on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 02:23:15 PM EST

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And the only winner among them was about as "DLC" as a Democrat can be.  (Or the only two winners, if you count Al Gore).


by Apt604 on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 02:57:12 PM EST
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But the DLC dumped Al Gore when they kept tacking to the right.  And then we lost the House, Senate and most of the governorships and state houses under the DLC/Blue Dogs' watch of the last fifteen years.  It's only been since 2003, when the DLC/Blue Doggers' fingers were partially pried from the levers of Democratic power, that we've made any real gains.  


by Phoenix Woman on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:06:32 AM EST
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Matt,

..."sickening praise of Bush", I don't see it that way. The only praise I found in the transcript was, "As I say in the book, I think he is a decent person, and, and the--I like him personally." What he says before and after that is nuanced but damning of Bush and his administration.

Therefore, I ask myself whether the following is also overstated, "It comes out in a strong disdain for progressives". I would like better examples.

Your article has been beneficial in making me view Barack in a more skeptical light, and I agree that he needs to be forged in the heat of great pressure. I have a very small voice of doubt which says that someting is not quite right with Obama; however, experience tells me that this voice of doubt may very well be nothing.

There are some things I am very certain of (issues usually). Candidates for office are not one of these things. There are so many levels on which these people operate and so much about politics that I do not intuitively grasp. At a certain point I just give it over to faith (nothing to do with religion)but that time is not now.

Barack's charisma grabed me, and I beieve I may have been drinking the tea... Thanks for the seeds.


by farsight on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 03:21:00 AM EST

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I'm curious to hear what qualities it is that the anti-Obama faction are looking for in the next Dem candidate. Specifically what kind of experience we need. It seems to me if you have a decent handle of the issues, the most important quality is your decisionmaking process. Do we really care whether or not he's negotiated with 20 foreign leaders or whether or not he's chaired committees, etc?


by highgrade on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 05:37:50 PM EST

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Barack Obama, on Hillary:

"You know, I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's the most disciplined--one of the most disciplined people--I've ever met. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence. And she is, she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children. So it's not clear to me what differences we've had since I've been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test."


by marycontrary on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:59:58 AM EST

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Sometimes it is important for one to refraining from taking oneself so seriously. Those who have offered dissenting opinions have not fully appreciated the unique political undercurrent that has catapulted the really "unknown" to the national spotlight.

It is because of people like you and your counterparts on the Right that Barrack Obama is famous. Barrack Obama will lead with his strengths. He will succeed or fail doing exactly what has made him what he is today. He will refuse to harden or deepen tribal loyalties. He will stress what it means to be American and call him naive, he will try to write his version of American politics on the landscape. He may fail, but at least he will fail being Barrack Obama and not what you want him to be.

People who in their small spheres of influence are incompetent and mistake-prone paradoxically are more demanding of others. People who could barely win class elections want to tell others who could how to do it. Your brand of politics has been the one practiced by this administration howbeit from the Right. It is unpopular, it is divisive and corrosive. Sit back and prepared to be disappointed or smug. Obama will continue to be and should be contemptuous of you so called "progressives". Bunch of ideologues who have now hi-jacked what used to be an honorable nomenclature. "Progressives", huh? He will win inspite of you and lose inspite of you. But we're sick of your brand of politics and you know what, we'll take our chances with something new. What's there to lose? Your foolishness has miserably failed anyway.


by africanito on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 12:51:18 PM EST

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*refrain


by africanito on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 12:51:41 PM EST
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