Republicans Think Of Muslims As A "Race"

RNC privacy slip up reveals something dark and disturbing about the way Republicans view culture and ethnicity (emphasis mine):
In a breach of privacy, the Republican National Committee erroneously e-mailed a list that contained the names, races, and Social Security numbers of dozens of top Republican donors -- and that identified two of the contributors as Muslim -- to this reporter.(...)

The attached spreadsheet of 76 guests included category headings with Social Security numbers, dates of birth, and "race." The race of all but three were listed as "Caucasian." One was identified as "Asian," and the race of two others, Malik and Seeme Hasan, was listed as "Muslim."

The classification drew criticism from Mrs. Hasan, who founded a group called Muslims for Bush and who, along with her husband, has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican committees and candidates in recent years.

"The only word I can think of is not very nice," Mrs. Hasan said yesterday in a telephone interview from her home in Colorado. "I think that whoever wrote this obviously has no knowledge, because Muslim is not a race. It is a religion," she said.
Some people have asked, based on my posts from last night, just what it is that the progressive movement stands for. Eighteen months ago, I laid out what I thought was the founding principle that separating the two coalitions at this time: belief in a pluralistic society versus belief a war of civilizations and cultures. That binary opposition differentiates progressivism from conservatism as well as any other binary I can think of. The bizarre and offensive classification of Muslims as a "race" by the RNC further reinforces the notion that conservatives see themselves as engaged in a battle of civilizations. Of course, their repeated election year focus on issues such as immigration, gay marriage, and "Islamo-fascism" are just some of the repeated reminders that what really motivates conservatives is a war against pluralism and a sense that "their culture" is somehow under threat from a variety of "outside" forces.

Pluralism, common good, right to privacy, open society, better future. There is some overlap there, but that is where I currently stand in my ten-word vision of progressivism.



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Re: Repugs Think Of Muslims As A "Race" (none / 0)

 Reminds me of 2 quotes, that are presented here as recollections.  Repugs are welcome to discredit me.

 Trent Lott:  All of them Iraqi's look the same to me.

King George talking to his "adviser"  Bandahr of the Saudi Royal family:  All Iraqi's are Muslim; what do you mean there is such a thing as Shiites and Sunnis, and who are they?

 Repugs still can't notice, or won't recognize, the difference between religion and nationality.  That's what happens when your party is so full of hate of everything not Republican, they can't think in normal terms.


by ocdemocrat on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:30:28 PM EST

Race as Political Concept (3.00 / 1)

Chris, how much fundamental confidence should one place in race as a concept, period?

Racial boundaries have always been political, in this country and others, i.e. lines get drawn for political reasons.  In South Africa, for example, the Japanese were "white" and the Chinese were "colored." Why? Economics decided politics decided "race."  Our categories are equally arbitrary; a person who is half Swedish, 1/4 Hungarian, 1/8 Latvian and 1/8 Jamaican is "black."  Why? Politics.  The less well-known but extant history of different European groups getting or not getting "white" status at different times in our country's history is further evidence of this political concept of race.

To cite the listing of Muslim as a "race" is no more offensive than any other racial, i.e. political, category.  Many Muslims do identify with their religion and with the umma, the world-wide Islamic community comparable to "Christendom" or "K'lal Yisroel," to the point that it, for them, forms the core of an identity equivalent to that of "race" in some other societies.

My problem is not that Republicans dared to make a  new racial category called "Muslim" without a blessing from the Racial Categorization Authority of Planet Earth but that they found it necessary to discuss the concept at all, old categories or new.


by Crablaw on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:49:00 PM EST

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To cite the listing of Muslim as a "race" is no more offensive than any other racial, i.e. political, category.

Race has to be dealt with.  It is quite real despite misguided claims it is not.  What pollutes the discussion is just what you have identified - the categorization of people by a false grouping.

Researchers Publish Results of Largest Genome-Wide Linkage Study of Prostate Cancer Among African American Men

Collaborative Effort May Open Doors to Improved Diagnosis and Treatment

Bethesda, Md. -- Researchers from 12 institutions, including the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), today announced the results of the first genome-wide linkage study of prostate cancer in African Americans. Using genetic markers, researchers identified several regions of the human genome that likely contain genes that, when altered, increase the risk of developing prostate cancer.[My Emphasis}

The study was conceived, implemented and executed primarily by African American investigators. Published in the journal, The Prostate, the findings represent a milestone in years of research designed to identify genetic risk factors for prostate cancer and to help determine if heredity plays a role in the disparity in prostate cancer rates seen in African American men...

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/oct2006/nhgri -11b.htm

Obviously an extended study might find that many "whites" also have the same genetic heritage.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:05:45 PM EST
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Re: Race as Political Concept (3.00 / 1)

The research study does not prove that "race" is real in some objective sense, only that genetic disorders have an increased risk among an identified population, the definition of which is a policy choice.


by Crablaw on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:26:07 PM EST
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Race as Idiot's Pie (none / 0)

All Good points, Crablaw! Yeah, there is a kind of general entity we can think of as race, in the sense that there is "Europe" and "Asia." But then, so many idiots who call themselves educated always go on to tie "race" onto other generic traits of doubtful provenance. So, Idiot's Pie is on the menu.


by blues on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 10:44:49 PM EST
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The research study does not prove that "race" is real in some objective sense

Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Denying DNA is no more sensible than denying evolution.  Conflating ethnic or tribal acculturation with scientific definition screws up the meaning and leads to the sort of absurd claim seen above.

Cystic fibrosis has been called the caucasian disease because it is predominantly found in - guess what? - caucasians.  Doctors are therefore more likely to diagnose this terrible disease in caucasians.  One problem is that the children of South Asians are underdiagnosed with cystic fibrosis because doctors, like many, think the imaginary white race is synonymous with "caucasian."

I have wondered when the FDA advises doctors that the muscle-wasting side effects of statins are more pronounced in "Asians" if the same ignorance is applied to South Asians.  Might help to know what these "Asians" the FDA refers to might be.

Denying that there are racial differences can be a matter of life and death.  Is political correctness worth a life you think?  What do you accomplish by maintaining denial of what is plainly obvious though vastly misunderstood and horribly reported?

Best,  Terry  


by terryhallinan on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 01:01:32 AM EST
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Re: Race as Political Concept (none / 0)

I used to work in medical publishing and was frequently frustrated by the researchers' racial categories. Nowhere do any of them say how they determined what "race" a given patient belongs to (let alone try to tease out racial differences based on average racial economics or the stress of living black).

A person's "race" often isn't evident by appearance.  As a supervisor in the early days of affirmative action, I had more than one argument with my boss about the supposed race of employees.

So I'm always dubious about such studies.


by joyful alternative on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:11:04 AM EST
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I used to work in medical publishing and was frequently frustrated by the researchers' racial categories. Nowhere do any of them say how they determined what "race" a given patient belongs to

Maybe you should check with those scientists who deal with race through DNA.  Those using sociological claptrap for defining race might have it all wrong you think?

The HapMap project supported by universities and governments around the world might be more representative of research on the subject than a "researcher's" misunderstanding.

A person's "race" often isn't evident by appearance.

Are you claiming you could not guess whether a given individual was more likely to have come from Sweden or Nigeria?

Or are you saying that the admixture of racial heritage of an individual is not generally apparent to an untrained observer and likely not known to that same individual?

It is sometimes helpful to know what the subject of a disagreement is.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:37:10 AM EST
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Re: Muslims As A "Race" (none / 0)

I've heard other conservatives talk about the "Muslim race."

No wonder they can't deal with Muslims, they don't even know what they are.


by Bush Bites on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:55:38 PM EST

Vision of progressivism (none / 0)

Chris Bowers wrote,


 Pluralism, common good, right to privacy, open society, better future. There is some overlap there, but that is where I currently stand in my ten-word vision of progressivism.

This is a good list, but it still needs some work. "A better future" is a Motherhood and apple pie vision-- who would disagree? Obviously, you have something in mind when you write that; can you be more specific?

I also wonder if there isn't some tension between "right to privacy" and "open society". Republicans can say they're for right to privacy too, wielding "Top Secret" stamps in both hands. Rep. Mike Foley might want to assert some privacy rights of his own. We have to figure out a way to assert privacy rights without allowing that right to be hijacked for illegal or immoral purposes.

And what about Consitutionalism, the balance of powers, and that good old catch-phrase, "checks and balances"? And civil rights, and "one man, one vote"? Maybe "Human rights" would be the right meme, because it wraps together both our traditional interest in civil rights (since MLK, anyway), habeaus corpus, etc. that are being violated on a daily basis by the Bush-Cheney regime, with the support of a compliant Congress.

I think Pluralism, common good, and open society all stand well on their own. But the privacy rights and better future pieces need some clarification, and at least one more phrase might be needed.

Bob in HI


by Bob Schacht on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:02:07 PM EST

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Islamo-Fascism attempts to like a theology with an ideology of government. This makes the conflation of religion with race all the more troubling: Muslims are a race; this race is a fascist race; fascists are our enemies for nothing more than their fascism.


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by msnook on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:19:35 PM EST

Re: Republicans Think Of Muslims As... (none / 0)

"Islamofascism" is a term used by the ignorant. Fascist states are secular by nature, whereas islamists are theocratic in nature. Fascism per se has been around for about a century. Theocracy is one of the oldest systems of government there is. The two are not interchangable.  


by herbal tee on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:24:49 PM EST
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People Who Worry About Islamo-fascism... (none / 0)

...are the real Islamo-fascists.


by blues on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 10:49:00 PM EST
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Wow... (none / 0)

There are Muslims for Bush?


by College Progressive on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 08:53:56 PM EST

They also think Bush 2 is Reagan! (none / 0)

And they think cutting taxes can be done while raising expenditures and conducting two wars.

Please consider the possibility they're just not peculiarly bright folks.


by jcjcjc on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 10:24:57 PM EST


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