MyDD Polling Project: Second Questions Thread

Background on the MyDD Polling Project

This is getting really exciting!

This is the second thread where you can post ideas for, and critiques of, our draft of questions for our first real poll. I have included our latest draft of questions in the extended entry.

Our first questions thread received over seventy comments suggesting possible questions and critiques of drafted questions. Many of htem were quite excellent and I hope you can tell from our latest draft that we took your suggestions very seriously. Now, as the start of the survey is close, we would like as much feedback on our latest draft of questions as you can give. Don't be shy--this is a group project and we need your help.

Also, since our last post on the subject, we have decided upon a pollster from whom we will commission the poll. I am very excited about working with him, and I'll have more information on him later in the day after I receive a receive a final quote on the cost of the poll (probably $15-16K) and permission to print an excerpt about him that Jerome and Markos wrote in Crashing the Gate.

We are aiming for an interview length of roughly eight minutes. Right now, after the requisite demographic questions, our draft includes fourteen questions. I think that should come close to the target length, but don't quote me on that.

We should also have a link where you can begin donating to the MyDD polling project up later today.

Second Interview Draft

Iraq
First, we would like to ask you some questions about the situation in Iraq.

1. (All) In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or do you think it was not a mistake?

2a. (If "DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE"): Why do you think it was not a mistake to send troops to Iraq? (can answer "yes" to multiple reasons)
--Because Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction
--Because Saddam Hussein had connections with Al-Qaeda
--Because it will bring democracy to Iraq
--Because it will bring democracy to the Middle East
--Other reason or reasons

2b. (If "MADE A MISTAKE"): "Even though you feel it was a mistake now, did you always believe it was a mistake even before the start of the war, or have the events since the start of the war changed your mind?"

3. (All): "Do you think the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq, or do you think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible?"

4a. (If "BRING TROOPS HOME"): "Should the U.S. remove all troops from Iraq immediately, or should the withdrawal of troops be gradual over the next year or two?"

4b. (If "KEEP TROOPS IN IRAQ"): "Would you like to see the U.S. establish permanent military bases in Iraq, or not?"

Terrorism
Next, we'd like to ask you some questions about terrorism.

  1. (All) "How worried are you that there will be another terrorist attack on the United States in the next few months: very worried, somewhat worried, not very worried, or not worried at all?"

  2. (All) "How worried are you that the United States has not captured Osama bin Laden: very worried, somewhat worried, not very worried, or not worried at all?"

  3. (All) "Have you ever followed advice from the Department of Homeland Security on how to be prepared in the event of a terrorist attack?"

Domestic Spying
Next, we would like to ask you questions concerning the recent stories about domestic spying.

  1. (All) "How closely have you been following the story concerning the Bush administration's use of domestic spying without a court order: very closely, somewhat closely, not too closely, or not closely at all?"

  2. (All) "Do you believe that the President is justified in ordering domestic spying without obtaining a court order?"

  3. (All) "Do you trust President Bush to conduct domestic spying without violating the civil liberties of American citizens?"

Investigation and Impeachment
Next, we would like to ask you some questions on possible investigations of President Bush.

  1. (All): "Do you think Congress should conduct an investigation into President Bush's involvement with domestic spying?"

  2. (All) "If it were determined that President Bush was involved with domestic spying that was illegal, do you think Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment?"

  3. (All): "Do you think Congress should conduct an investigation to determine if President Bush did not tell the truth concerning intelligence on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?"

  4. (All) "If it were determined that President Bush did not tell the truth about intelligence on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, do you think Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment?"

That is all the questions we have for today. Thank you for your time.

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Question No. 6 on Osama (2.33 / 3)

I'm not sure what the value of this question is. It's the same as asking people if they are worried about terrorism.

Instead, perhaps the question could be -- After 9/11 President Bush promised to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. Do you think he has done enough to try to fulfill that promise?

by Quaoar on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 02:15:09 AM EST

Re: Question No. 6 on Osama (none / 0)

I agree on this point a bit. Instead of rewording the question entirely though, you may be able to get away with simply changing "worried" to "concerned." Concerned could have a more broad application since the connotation would be worries over personal safety only following the previous question.
by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:33:03 AM EST
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Re: Question No. 6 on Osama (none / 0)

I don't see the 2 as being directly synonymous. bin Laden inspired many independent groups to engage in terrorist activities who have no "formal" connection to al Queda. They will operate independently of the status of bin Laden.

 The train attack in Spain is an example. Not all terrorists are related to bin Laden, so capture or killing him would probably not free us from threats of terrorist attacks and may actually precipitate them.

Remember that before bin Laden, we had another terrorist event in Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh. Focus should be on better defense than we currently have.

by pegasus on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 07:22:48 PM EST
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just a thought (3.00 / 2)

I would replace "domestic spying" with "spying on US citizens"
by Winston Smith on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 02:51:45 AM EST

Re: just a thought (3.00 / 1)

I will second that. The issue is not domestic spying against terrorists but against citizens. I dont think anyone objects to the us govt wiretapping known terrorists in hoboken and whatnot.
by sonandar on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:01:27 AM EST
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Re: just a thought (3.00 / 1)

I'd also say something like "a court ordered warrant required by law" or "without a legal warrant" or "a court ordered warrant" instead of merely a "court order"...warrant makes it more obvious to the general public i'd think.
by Fenway Steve on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:01:42 AM EST
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Re: just a thought (3.00 / 1)

I disagree, you want to leave the words "legal" or "required by law" out of the question - that's part of what we need to know, whether people think a court order was legally required - many people may buy the President's line on this.  The last one - "court ordered warrant" would be fine (although I personally suspect people would get the idea OK from the question as it's currently phrased).
by arenwin on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:19:24 AM EST
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Re: just a thought (3.00 / 1)

But the administration claims they are targeting terrorists, not just your average citizens. Similar to what arenwin points out below concerning the legality issues, the poll should be trying to figure out how people feel concerning who is being targeted; the questions shouldn't be biased towards one side of this issue.
"Don't get stuck on stupid" - Lt. Gen. Honore
by RepTroll on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 11:46:33 AM EST
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Question 3 (3.00 / 1)

Im not sure about question three. Its not clear what is meant by "keep military troops in iraq"--seems like the question is put in rethuglican terms.

How about (not a replacement for 3 but a suggestion to work in somewhere before/in between/after 3) something like this:

I believe that: us troops should be fully withdrawn from iraq within: immediately, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, never.

by sonandar on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:07:56 AM EST

Re: Question 3 (3.00 / 1)

I agree. This question appears quite loaded. it needs a third option or more. soemthing along the lines of "Should troops be withdrawn from Iraq immediately, within the next year no matter the situation, within the next two years no matter the situation, or indefinitely?"

obviously mine isn't much better, but you know where I'm going. your question definitely needs work.

by Fenway Steve on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:59:22 AM EST
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Re: Question 3 (3.00 / 1)

My concern about that question isn't so much that it's biased, but just that it doesn't carry much meaning.  I'm not sure I'd know how to answer that one, if someone called me and I believed in President Bush's policy.  He claims he wants to bring them home "as soon as possible," too, but without a timetable - tied instead to some kind of progress on the ground.  This leaves the problem: who would answer "keep them there?"  People who are even more hawkish than the President?  Or people who believe in permanent military bases (in which case it's the same as 4b)?  Or would some people supporting the President's policy answer one way and some answer another, depending not on real differences in opinion, but different interpretations of the language?

I think the clearest distinction you can make that people will understand is between a timetable-based approach, and an approach that is based on certain events happening regardless of how long that takes (events that may take a very long time, and/or never occur.)

E.g. - this wording is not honed - but something like:

Should troops be kept in Iraq as long as necessary until the President believes the country is secure, or should a timetable be established for their return?

With a subquestion about different lengths of a timetable - with "immediate" being one of the options.

by arenwin on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:57:26 AM EST
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Re: Question 3 (3.00 / 1)

I agree that this needs fixing.

I am particulary worried about the relationship between questions 3 and 4a.  The words "as soon as possible" might lead someone away from choosing that option because they want to wait a few months.  They would never even know that question 4a would have given them that option.

Question 4a also does not give enough variety of choices.

by richardmathews on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:13:40 PM EST
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Re: Question 3 (none / 0)

How about this for 3, 4a and 4b?

Do you think the withdrawl of US troops from Iraq should:

a: be at the sole descretion of the President
b: be based on how events unfold in Iraq, i.e a "road map"
c: be based on a US timetable in effort to effect events in Iraq
d: begin imediately regardless of events in Iraq.

by David in Burbank on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 06:13:00 PM EST
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question 5 (none / 0)

correct me if im wrong, but i seem to remember major polling firms polling on question 5. Unless it is essential to get this answer in conjunction with the others then i would say it might be a waste of money. If that is the reason for the question then I think the answer is probably only interestin for academic psychologists/sociologists and will not, i think, be politically useful.
by sonandar on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:10:39 AM EST

Re: question 5 (none / 0)

Yeah, but they never provide internals by party ID. I'd really like to see what the breakdown on that is along party lines.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 09:01:20 AM EST
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Re: question 5 (3.00 / 1)

I'm not into the whole Terrorism section.  I understand you'd like to see the breakdown, but I just find it quite uncompelling compared to the other issues.  I'd be more interested in asking something like, "What effect do you believe the war in Iraq has made in protecting America from terrorism?  Do you believe it has made us more safe, less safe, or has made no difference?"
by ZamboniGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 01:53:46 PM EST
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Use more careful language (3.00 / 2)

As it stands, several of the questions would be dismissed out of hand by serious public opinion professionals based on biased question wording. Although different wording choices produce better information when comparing multiple surveys, a poll sponsored by My DD will be subject to an unsual level of scrutiny and there is no need to unnecessarily provide critics with ammunition.

Q1 should have some more positive alternative to "made a mistake." Perhaps something like "do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or do you think it was the correct decision?" This also allows the question choices to be rotated more easily (i.e. asking half of the sample "do you think the United states made the correct decision in sending troops to Iraq, or do you think it was a mistake?"

Q2a should be changed accordingly, but it is also confusing as it currently stands. Think about what will happen when the results come back and 20% chose the third AND fourth responses while 12% chose just the third and 8% chose just the fourth. How should that be interpreted??? Make each possible response contain a distinctly different idea. (Also, rephrase the question so that it fits the responses: "Which of the following responses describes...")

Q3: The phrasing here is awkward, because even Bush and Cheney say that they are planning to bring the troops home "as soon as possible." Those four words are open to a variety of interpretations. Use more specific language (4a is much better).

Q8 - Q10: The phrase "domestic spying" is inherently prejudicial, and it could convey a completely imcorrect impression to those who have NOT been following the story (suggesting, for example, that the scandal involves secret agents planted in various cover occupations etc.) I'd encourage wording like "electronic surveillance."

Also, Q8 and Q10 (esp Q10) make it sound as if the president and his advisers are doing the spying themselves, instead of the NSA. Remember, the VAST majority of people who will be answering this survey do not follow political news consistently. Always assume the respondent knows less rather than more.

Q11 is sort of odd -- is there anything to investigate about Bush's "involvement"? He's already said he ordered the whole thing. Is the intent to ask whether there should be an investigation of how extensive the surveillance program was? If so, the question should be worded in that way.

There are lots of other places where one could quibble, but I'll leave those to others.

by Professor M on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:12:29 AM EST

Re: Use more careful language (3.00 / 1)

I concur with Professor M.
As it stands now, this poll is partisan and may charge up the base (us), but is unlikely to be taken seriously by the mainstream. Think about how easy it would be for us to debunk a similar poll coming out of instapundit.
if we are going to do this, we ought to seek reasonably neutral questions, as free from bias as we can make them. If we don't do that, we will have wasted $15k that could have been used to support elective candidates.

as a reminder, my background is in social science though i developed curriculum for the teaching of qualitative research techniques.

by MrT on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:56:39 AM EST
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Re: Use more careful language (3.00 / 1)

For Q8-Q10, Professor M is exactly right.  My original suggestion for such a question was phrased:

  1. (All) "How closely have you been following the story concerning the Bush administration's authorization of electronic survelliance by the National Security Agency within the United States: very closely, somewhat closely, not too closely, or not closely at all?"

  2. (All) "Do you believe that the President is justified in authorizing electronic survelliance by the NSA within the United States without first obtaining a legally-required court order?"

I am confused by question 10 though, are we asking Americans if they trust the President or how they feel about the "civil liberties/national security balance."  There is already plenty of public official trust polling out there, so I would think a balance question would be more important.
by Robot Economist on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:51:50 PM EST
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Another thing (3.00 / 1)

For Q 12
(All) "If it were determined that President Bush was involved with domestic spying that was illegal, do you think Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment?"

i would be more precise and say:

If Congress were to determine that President Bush broke national security laws would you support his impeachment?

This would give us the key number: If we all find out that bush broke the law, how many would consider that impeachable.

by sonandar on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 03:19:59 AM EST

Re: Another thing (3.00 / 1)

I was about to say something similar.  The original wording is very leading.

"Hmm, do I think Presidents should be held accountable or not?"

by Bodot on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 05:51:08 AM EST
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Re: Another thing (none / 0)

I agree, but the qualifier "national security" biases the question.  How about this instead:

If Congress were to determine that President Bush broke the law when he ordered the government to conduct electronic surveilance on US citizens without a warrant, would you support his impeachment?

by brew on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 01:15:18 PM EST
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Let me add (1.00 / 2)

I would really like to have had feedback on my recent NYT bashing diary.

The sudden spurt of anti Times posts on the blogs had me concerned and curious, and I believe that this may have pinpointed what is behind it.  Maybe not.

by synthia on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:48:52 AM EST

Yikes! (3.00 / 1)

After reading over the survey, I see Three really important areas not covered yet.

A) THE ECONOMY

Do you feel better or worse about the economy in general now than before Bush was elected?

   Why?  (either open ended or a better/worse list of possible reasons: National Debt, bankrupcy legislation, Lack of Govt spending at home, homeland security, price of housing, etc.) You get the idea, this could be a quick list of 5 to 10 items to get an idea of where people think we are heading.  If we know where they feel poorly about the economy we know how to win. ("It's the Economy, Stupid!)

B) CONFIDENCE IN CONGRESS

(This one is not as thought out)
In General, do you approve or disapprove of the legislation Comming out of Congress?

Do you approve or disapprove of the work your Congressman is doing?
(Rotate)(or create a list)

  • What is he/she doing Right?
  • What is he/she doing Wrong?
Do you approve or disapprove of the work your Senior (insert name) Senator is doing?
(Rotate)
  • What is he/she doing Right?
  • What is he/she doing Wrong?
Do you approve or disapprove of the work your Junior (insert name) Senator is doing?
(Rotate)
  • What is he/she doing Right?
  • What is he/she doing Wrong?

C) CORE VALUES:

I also think that a few questions on Values would be good for looking ahead:

Exporting of Jobs overseas (Good Bad?)
Maintaining Social Security
Interest in universial healthcare for all citizens
Immigration (Is it a problem, how important?) (answers could show up interesting with the hispanic demographic)

It might also be fun (if possible) to pair up some opposing RvD issues (i.e. What is more important to you, Keeping jobs in the US or Gay Marrage? Social Security v. Faith legislation. For some  examples, use a rotating list) How do opposing R & D values poll head to head against another?

Do the demographics include a political preferance? R, D, Lean r or d?

Comments/Critiques?  All are Welcome.

Yes, more than three things, it just kept running on... 14 minutes huh?

by NvDem on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:53:17 AM EST

One more thing (none / 0)

Under congress:

Should your Congressman/Congresswoman be replaced in the next election?

Do you want to ask this question of the Senators also? (not all up for re-election this year)

This should be asked after all other questions in this section are asked.

by NvDem on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:59:04 AM EST
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Re: Yikes! (none / 0)

When I see polls rating Congress, I am always left uncertain about what it is that people want Congress to do differently.  For example, do Democrats dislike Democrats in Congress because they are too liberal or not liberal enough?

I would like to see a set of questions like this:

Do you consider yourself to be liberal, conservative or moderate?

Do you think the Republicans in Congress are too liberal, too conservative, or just right?

Do you think the Democrats in Congress are too liberal, too conservative, or just right?

by richardmathews on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:10:22 PM EST
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I think it'd be interesting (none / 0)

to see if there's a difference between the number of people who would be for censuring Bush on lying about WMD intel and those who would be for impeaching him. Those who may only want to go as far as censuring Bush (as of now) might also be those that can eventually be convinced about impeachment.  

Also get a question in there lumping all the impeachable offenses: lying about WMD, lies about the CIA Leak case, Abramoff stuff (if anything about him that ties him directly to Bush comes up in the next few weeks/months that), and warrantless spying on US citizens. Perhaps a question or two about Bush's honesty, while you're at it. It might be interesting to see what events ("you're doing a heckuva job Brownie," not firing Karl Rove, etc.) got those who thought he was honest to change their minds.

by Newsie8200 on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 07:43:45 AM EST

Re: I think it'd be interesting (none / 0)

I agree about having one unconditional question that lumps all impeachable offenses.

Wikipedia's article on Bush has had a brief statement about the polls on impeachment.  On the talk page there, there has been much discussion about whether the question asked is conditional ("if Bush did this, should he be impeached?").  It is thus important to many people to see an unconditional question.

Perhaps, "Based on all you know now, with which of these do you most agree?  Bush should be impeached; Bush should be censured; No action should be taken; Need to know more."

by richardmathews on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:04:17 PM EST
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After question 6... (1.00 / 1)

Would you have prefered to capture Osama bin Laden or invade Iraq? Better wording is in order but I haven't seen a question like this in any poll.
by Erik on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:39:47 AM EST

Order of Questions? (2.00 / 1)

What are the chances you ask the demographic questions AFTER the main questions so as not to put them into a preconcieved political party mindset before the meaty questions?

"In closing please tell us....dis...dat 'n de udder"

~I am not affiliated with the blog of the same name~
by DumpDoolittle on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 09:16:10 AM EST

Q 3 (2.00 / 1)

I agree with other comments about question 3 -- this is the weakest part of a fairly strong set of questions.

I think the question should differentiate between people who want to bring the troops home based on certain progress markers and they don't all leave until those things are accomplished, and those who want them to come home in a certain amount of time, period. (This is the problem I have most often with politicians such as Sen. Kerry who say "time-table" and it is hard to tell which they mean.) What the progress markers are or what the time periods are can be included in the same, or a secondary question.

Thus, the question could go something along the lines of:

"Should the troops be brought home only as we are able to achieve certain pre-described progress points, or should they come home within a certain time frame regardless of what progress has been made?"

Then give a list of options of progress points they consider important or an amount of time for withdrawal, depending.

Tim Wolfe
by bruorton on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:43:22 AM EST

Re: Q 3 (3.00 / 1)

"Should the troops be brought home only as we are able to achieve certain pre-described progress points, or should they come home within a certain time frame regardless of what progress has been made?"

Honestly, when I read this, I interpret it as something along the lines of: "Should we get the job done, or should we cut and run?"

Somehow, I don't think that's what you are trying to imply, but that's how it comes across to me.

"Don't get stuck on stupid" - Lt. Gen. Honore
by RepTroll on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 12:13:04 PM EST
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Question 2 (none / 0)

Should definitely include a choice "Because Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11". Let's find out how many people believe this lie and how it affects their other responses.
by antiHyde on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:47:03 AM EST

Question 14 (none / 0)

Should say "lie" instead of "did not tell the truth". It is established that the truth was not told, but Bush has passed the buck to the CIA. i.e. He didn't lie but was misinformed.

by antiHyde on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:56:13 AM EST

Re: Question 14 (none / 0)

I would say "falsify, conceal, or cover-up".  The reason is that this is the wording in 18 U.S.C 1001, the law that Bush broke by withholding information from Congress.  This clearly ties the act to the impeachable offense.
by richardmathews on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:31:48 PM EST
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Methodology (3.00 / 1)

One other comment I would like to make concerning the poll. The methodology used in conducting the poll must be published. If it is not, it won't be taken seriously be a lot of people. This includes info like demographic breakdown of respondents, how the respondents were selected, etc. I know Chris said they will be asking demographic questions, but I didn't see any mention as to whether or not that info would be published as part of the poll itself.

Think link below is a PoliPundit.com article that discusses this topic regarding the polling that was conducted by various firms in the run-up to the 2004 elections. Yeah, it's a conservative site, but there is a lot of good info in there about what makes a poll trustworthy vs. something you should ignore.

Poll Methodology

"Don't get stuck on stupid" - Lt. Gen. Honore
by RepTroll on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 01:51:40 PM EST

2a and 2b (none / 0)

Why is Question 2b only for people who think the war was a mistake?  Let's see if anyone at all who was against the war to start is now in favor of it.

Shouldn't we have a similar question to 2a for those who are against the war?

by ZamboniGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 01:56:35 PM EST

Critiques (3.00 / 2)

If you want this to be as impartial as possible in order to be picked up by traditional media, here are some suggestions:

Q1: "mistake" and "not a mistake" lead the responder to choose "mistake."  You can keep "mistake" but change "not a mistake" to "correct."  For extra bonus points, rotate the two choices.  Rotating answer choices is a very common poll practice.

Q4b:  I don't see how this question is unique to people who answer "keep troops in Iraq."  You can still have military bases there if you think we should withdraw troops.  Withdrawal can mean a withdrawal from normal combat or peace keeping operations.

On Iraq:  I might add a question that is common when candidates are testing their "message."  Ask something like "With which statement do you agree with most?"  Then, you have one statement from President Bush where he says we must stay in Iraq untilt the job is done and one statement from, say, Murtha, where he says our presence is doing more harm than good.

On Terrorism:  I'm not thrilled with those questions from a standpoint of making waves in traditional media.  Some suggestions:  Ask if they believe Bush has focused not enough attention on capturing Osama because of his War in Iraq.  Ask if they think Bush has implemented the Sept. 11th Commission recommendations to a sufficient degree.

Q9:  I would change "court order" to "warrant."  People may not know what exactly a court order is, but they know what a warrant is.

General Comment:  I assume there will be questions at the end or at the beginning to obtain the demographics of the responder.  Those should be standard and the pollster will have stock questions for those, but they are very important.

Great idea though and I hope you find these comments helpful.

by kickingdonkey on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 02:09:00 PM EST

Full Reaction (none / 0)

2a) I agree with commenters before me that this question as currently phrased makes for awkward results that are tricky to interpret accurately. While it would probably provide some good bullet points for the base (eg 18% still think Saddam was behind 9/11 or whatever), anyone that still believes this stuff isn't likely to be talked out of it by any amount of logic or facts. Kindof a dead issue I think when we could be asking other things. Unless, of course, you want to get a bit pushy and ask purposely loaded questions like "in spite of administration statements and evidence widely accepted as conclusive, do you still believe that x, y, z. That would be fun, but probably not too helpful overall.

3) The options here seem like they should be reworded. Perhaps something like "should troops be kept in Iraq indefinitely to achieve certain goals or should a firm timetable be established for redeployment?"

You may also want to delve into this ball of wax: "do you think that Iraq is more stable than before the US invasion?
do you think that Iraqis are better off because of the US invasion?
do you think that the US should pay attention to recent polls indicating that a majority of Iraqis want US troops to leave?
if Iraqis democratically establish a government that is hostile to the United States and supportive of anti-US regimes, would you support US efforts to undermine or overthrow that government?
do you believe that the US has established that preemptive regime change is in the best interest of Americans and establishing peace internationally?
do you believe that terrorism has been encouraged or discouraged by the war?"

6) Some interesting followups to this question (some drawing from other comments) might be: do you think bin Laden will ever be captured/killed? In what ways do you feel that US military action has impacted bin Laden's ability to carry out terrorist attacks against the US (greatly hindered, somewhat hindered, somewhat helped, greatly helped)? Do you feel that finding bin Laden remains a top priority for this administration? Do you think that finding bin Laden SHOULD be a top priority for the United States or have other security concerns become more important?

Reorder/reword of course, but along those lines.

7) Interesting followup here might be "do you pay attention to the threat levels from DHS?"

8-10) I think you may want to be less forceful- that is, lead up to your point. Ask something like "Do you believe that the surveillance ordered by this administration has only investigated legitimate terror suspects or has been used on other citizens as well?" and then "Do you believe that the NSA should be allowed to do this without a court-issued warrant?" and then "Do you believe that the President has the authority to take actions like these without the consent of Congress?"
And again, word it so that it's as neutral as possible and consistent with phrasing elsewhere.

11-14) I think these questions are pretty solid, though you might want to try working in something asking whether and/or to what degree the President's credibility and leadership has been impacted by the mounting accusations against him. More broad, but perhaps a good barometer of general public sentiment. Maybe ask about each of the two main issues (domestic spying, falsified intel). The crux here is: Are people losing faith in Bush because of all the negative pub?

Again, I'm not trying to word all of these perfectly, just give a rough idea of what I'm thinking. I also realize that there are length/time restraints to be dealt with, so obviously we can't jam everything in, but these are a few to chew on.

by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:13:51 PM EST

Forgot the Most Important Part (none / 0)

I think that on the domestic spying issue, it's important to tie it back to Congressional oversight. If we get a lot of people saying that the problem is a lack of Congressional input (or, that the President is riding roughshod over checks and balances) it may serve to embolden Congress to take action.
by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:17:44 PM EST
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Libertarians and Pro Lifers (none / 0)

This is interesting, because alot of libertarians and pro lifers sort of walk the same path.

I frankly am beginning to question the whole process. Alito is qualified, but there's no tough questions yet - nothing we can work with.

The libertarians are really upset that Bush is basically using everything here, to just extend his empire. The war on terror, as it was written in an excellent WSJ article today, will not end with a surrender ceremony. So these war powers that bush keeps giving himself are very, very questionable.

But at the same time, pro life and social conservatives are really stoked to see alito there.

I think the best thing I can say is heck, alito has a lot of writings on the subject. But beyond that, the fact that he's written so many times that he will burn Roe Vs. Wade, is an open invitation to the whole social conservative culture war.

And that will of course hide the fact that citizens of the US have been excluded from the lawmaking process for years now, and the lobbyists are destroying our country - fundraiser? How about a corporation thats willing to bankroll the whole thing instead of trying to go find a hundred small donors.

Up until, that is.. Howard Dean...

Does anyone else except for me remember how much hatred the lobbyists laid upon Howard Dean? How quickly the media bias turned against him, even up to the point of paying off his campaign manager..

The hand that records the secret conversation.. is where you find the thumbdrive which stores the mp3 of the future.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 04:39:33 PM EST

instead of troll rating me (none / 0)

why didn't you just reference this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/opinion/01publiceditor.html?ex=1136955600&en=32d48dfcb86299d6& amp;ei=5070
by synthia on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 06:00:27 PM EST

Sticking Points (none / 0)

I think three very important things are being overlooked:

(1) Questions that can be asked repeatedly into the future.  These are the backbone of serious public opinion research, and--via cross-tabs--provide valueable benchmarks for examining the questions that do have a limited shelf-life.

(2) Questions that get at people's continued belief in discredited claims--WMDs in Iraq, Iraqi hijackers, cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda, and belief that the world's people supported the war.  In the past, PIPA has shown that these are strongly correlated with support for Bush & his policies.  By re-using their questions, we can do comparisons with data that's almost 1 1/2 years old, and examine the continuing significance of Bush Admin disinformation.

(3) Questions about the Downing Street Memos. If we don't ask these, no one else will.  Something along the lines of:

Q: According to the "Downing Street Memos," nearly a year before the Iraq War, Britain's top spy told the British War Cabinet that in Washington, "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" to justify going to war with Iraq. If true, this would mean that Bush Administration deliberately mislead us into war. The Bush Administration has refused to answer Congressional inquiries about this since last summer. Should the Congress begin an impeachment inquiry if the Administration refuses to cooperate with a Congressional investigation?

I also agree with others in critiquing 8-10.  "electronic surveillance of Americans" is superior to "domestic spying."  But Q 10 has bigger problems:

(A) Whether people know it or not, Bush's conduct does violate civil liberties.  This question suggests a non-existent possibility. It is analogous to asking, "Do you trust bookies to take bets without violating laws against gambling?"

(B) The Constitution doesn't just protect American citizens. It protects everyone in America--residents, tourists, everyone.

by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 08:28:56 PM EST

Suggestions (none / 0)

As an aspiring pollster I find this initiative to be fascinating, and have a few comments.

On Q1, it might be seen as leading (or unnecessary) to state "In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq..."  Respondents rationally will take developments into account in making their decision.  Retain the general intent but reduce length by stating "At the present time,..." or "All told,..." which may be less subject to critique.  

Q3, I like arenwin's suggestion if you want to determine how comfortable the public is in letting the President judge when to withdraw versus having a timetable which he has opposed

("Should troops be kept in Iraq as long as necessary until the President believes the country is secure, or should a timetable be established for their return?")

However if you just want to determine appropriate dates, how about:
"What is your preferred date for U.S. troops to be withdrawn from Iraq?" Options: Within 6 mos, by 6mo-1 yr, by 1-2 yrs or longer? (the 'immediately' response being covered by the 'within 6 months' option which I think is as immediate as is possible/ a shorter duration can be used if others disagree)

I think the military base question is not exclusive from the troop withdrawal question and can be a stand-alone Q4 for all respondents: "Do you think the U.S. should establish permanent military bases in Iraq?" Y/N

I like Q6 (as the administration doesn't often focus on the real cause of 9/11 terror), and Q5 is good for tracking purposes (but if it and Q7 are in other polls they should be replaced).

I agree with all of Professor M's points.

by Mr DC on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:41:32 PM EST

Domestic Spying Impeachment (none / 0)

I think there is room for nuance there.

In order for me to be comfortable with impeachment for domestic spying, I would have to be convinced that the spying was for purposes other than national security.

If, for example, the administration had some kind of op like COINTELPRO, in which they tapped calls of dissidents and political opponents, then by all means, impeach away.

If, on the other hand, the illegal wire taps were used, as the administration claims, only when known Al Quaeda numbers were in play...  well, in that case I think it'd be tough to justify impeachment.

I don't know how that will effect the poll.

by Mike Stark on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:00:11 AM EST

Question 2a. - National Security (none / 0)

For question 2a., I still say you need an option for "because it was in the best interest of our national security" or something similar. Otherwise, you are going to get a lot of "other" responses from us right-wingnuts. From my viewpoint (and I know there are a lot of people who believe the same thing) that reason trumps all the others.

Also, I am going to push one more time for changing "Al-Qaeda" to "terrorist organizations." If you were to ask me if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda, I would have to respond with an emphatic "ummm..., maybe?" but if you were to reword that to say terrorists organizations, I would say "absolutely, positively, no doubt about it." So, as it is worded, I wouldn't check that reason if I were taking the poll, but I would if it were changed.

"Don't get stuck on stupid" - Lt. Gen. Honore
by RepTroll on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 12:17:33 PM EST

Responses (none / 0)

Agreed that all "mistake/not a mistake" choices should be changed to "mistake/correct", for reasons stated by other users.

Also agreed that saying "Congress should hold him accountable by impeachment" in (12) and (14) badly biases the question. Instead, consider the more neutral "Congress should impeach and remove him him office."

Also, where question 12 currently reads "If it were determined that President Bush was involved with domestic spying that was illegal", I would considered changing it to "If it were determined that the domestic spying ordered by President Bush was illegal". We know he he did it, and we know it was his idea. He's admitted that on national TV. The only question is whether it was illegal. Focus on that.

by ripzaw on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 02:25:46 PM EST

Your questions are still not good enough (none / 0)

Here are questions I would like asked:

1)    Do you support ALL FUTURE PRESIDENTS having the power to spy on U.S. citizens WITHOUT also being required to demonstrate (via obtaining a warrant) that it is solely for a purpose vital to national security?

2)    How concerned are you that this power might eventually be abused by a future President in a way that is detrimental to innocent individuals and/or to our society overall?

3)    Do you trust the current President to not abuse this power?

by glaciersalpha on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 06:41:04 PM EST

Illegality of domestic spying should be mentioned (none / 0)

See Mark Kleiman's comment on this. Also this comment

According to him:

But, unlike some of my liberal friends, I don't think the answer would be much different if the phrase "without a warrant" had been included. The key missing word was "illegally."

So my formulation would be not "Presidential action without Congressional authorization" but "Presidential lawbreaking." The question is whether the President can authorize his subordinates to commit felonies whenever in his sole judgment he decides that committing those felonies would serve the national security. I think we can count on the voters to give the right answer to that question.

Further according to Kleiman,

The idea that we need to protect our privacy even in the face of the terrorist threat is almost certainly restricted to a minority, though a minority that includes almost everyone you know. So if the question is framed in terms of security v. privacy or liberty, it's a losing issue for the Democrats, just as Mickey Kaus and Glenn Reynolds hope it will be. But the idea that the President should obey the law enjoys very widespread support. That's the frame Democrats, and friends of civil liberty, should try to put around this issue. Just keep repeating "a government of laws, not of men."

by rajiv on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 09:00:06 PM EST

More on Iraq (none / 0)

Your focus on the term "mistake" in the first four questions does not offer ample latitude for expression of the full continuum of possible attitudes.  Sure; it may have been a big-picture "mistake" for America to invade Iraq as it did, but what about addressing the motivations of our leadership in taking us to war? I think that reliance on the term "mistake" gives far to much benefit-of-the-doubt ala buffoonery to a cabal that really operates under a paradigm of surreptitious piracy.

Perhaps you could include a question along the lines of:   "Do you think the administration has been candid regarding public expression of its reasons for invading Iraq?"  

or:

"Do you think the reasons stated publically by the administration for the invasion of Iraq reflect their actual motivations for this policy?"

by Sir Loin of Beef on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:17:01 AM EST

media coverage (none / 0)

I would like to see a question on media coverage.  For example,

Republican Senator Specter has said that "impeachment is a remedy" if the President has broken the law. Senator Kerry has said, "If we take back the House, there's a solid case to bring articles of impeachment against this president." House leaders Conyers, Waters, Rangel, and Woolsey are sponsoring a resolution calling for a select committee "to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment." With which of the following statements would you most agree:

  • there has been too much media coverage of these events
  • there has been insufficient media coverage of these events
  • there has been a proper amount of media coverage of these events

by richardmathews on Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 11:04:04 AM EST

additional responses... (none / 0)

2a. (If "DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE"): Why do you think it was not a mistake to send troops to Iraq? (can answer "yes" to multiple reasons)
--Because Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction
--Because Saddam Hussein had connections with Al-Qaeda
--Because it will bring democracy to Iraq
--Because it will bring democracy to the Middle East
--Other reason or reasons

ADD------->>
Because Saddam Hussein is an 'ole buddy'
of Osama Been Missing!

Because I can now order 'Failure Fries' without fear or dishonor!

Because I can smash the Dixie Chicks' cd's
and feel good about it!

Sorry! Couldn't resist!

by LividPatriot on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 05:00:51 AM EST

Re: MyDD Polling Project: Second Questions Thread (none / 0)

For question 2a., I still say you need an option for "because it was in the best interest of our national security" or something similar. Otherwise, you are going to get a lot of "other" responses from us right-wingnuts. From my viewpoint (and I know there are a lot of people who believe the same thing) that reason trumps all the others.
Also, I am going to push one more time for changing "Al-Qaeda" to "terrorist organizations." If you were to ask me if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda, I would have to respond with an emphatic "ummm..., maybe?" but if you were to reword that to say terrorists organizations, I would say "absolutely, positively, no doubt about it." So, as it is worded, I wouldn't check that reason if I were taking the poll, but I would if it were changed.

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