Lieberman Votes for Cloture on Alito

Wow, Lieberman voted for cloture.



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Re: Lieberman Votes for Cloture on Alito (none / 0)

No, that is the list of those voting against cloture.


by lynx on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:00:22 AM EST

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Ok, I am getting my double negatives crossed.  You are right, that is the list of those voting for cloture, which would be against continuing debate.  My mistake.  The headline made me think you were pleasantly surprised.


by lynx on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:03:20 AM EST
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Re: Lieberman Votes for Cloture on Alito (none / 0)

so... he's a coat hanger?

that's not a very good rebus.


by johnny longtorso on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:34:10 AM EST

what is with the pic? (3.00 / 1)

What does Lieberman's vote have to do with Bob Casey's campaign logo?


by blogswarm on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:56:14 AM EST

Re: what is with the pic? (none / 0)

That made me laugh.  God, I hate these depressing days.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:19:55 PM EST
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Re: what is with the pic? (none / 0)

It's a reference to back-alley, black market abortions, which were commonly performed with a coat hanger being inserted into the uterus.  As you can imagine, while the process works, it is painful, can lead to permanent damage, and is unsafe.  It is a sign of what is to come, if Roe v. Wade is overturned by a court with Alito on it.


by nanoboy on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:32:30 PM EST
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they don't have far to go (none / 0)

considering there are very few abortion clinics in a lot of states (such as Mississippi, which only has one). heck, even in Maryland, women from the rural parts of the state are forced to travel 2-3 hours to Baltimore to get an abortion. add to this the terrorist campaign of the ultra right-wing groups that has scared more and more younger doctors out of performing abortions.

abortion is legal, sure, but it's not accessible to a majority of American women. they've already won, overturning Roe v. Wade will just enshrine it in law.


by johnny longtorso on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:40:28 PM EST
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Re: Lieberman Votes for Cloture on Alito (3.00 / 0)

The coathanger has been replaced by tiny little abortion pills.  Make abortion illegal and abortions will be cheaper and easier to get (thanks to the local dealer) but they will be riskier, cause more health problems and more medical expenses.  It may cause an increase in birth defects if things go wrong.

All those arcane laws about parental notification, waiting periods, information on alternatives go out the window because "The Pusher Don't Care".  

The religious right thinks that outlawing abortion will stop abortion and roll back the sexual revolution. It won't.


by bakho on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:59:28 PM EST

Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (none / 0)

ECONOMIC FAIRNESS must become the unifying cause, principle, and theme of the Democratic Party (a cause which can unite the more conservative and more liberal elements of the Democratic Party). ABORTION is a NEGATIVE, loser wedge issue that will continue to sink this party by it's own hand. Barak Obama is absolutely right, Dems need to win elections first in order to set the judicial agenda, and winning elections for Dems will only happen when we develop a unified vision of future economic fairness that CAPTURES THE POSITIVE IMAGINATION OF AMERICA.


by mcdonald928 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:04:44 PM EST

Re: Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (3.00 / 0)

A strong majority of Americans call themselves pro-choice.  An even larger majority think overturning Roe v. Wade is a bad idea.  A strong majority think that a supreme court justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade should not be confirmed.  Everybody knows about the issue and where they stand.  Why do you think anti-choice supreme court nominees work so hard to hide their views on abortion?

I never in my life even heard the phrase "economic fairness" until I started reading political blogs.  What the hell does it mean?  Is it about welfare?  Free trade policies?  Unions?  Corporate bailouts?  Interest rates?  Wage disparity?  Progressive taxation?  Remember - most Americans are not wonks.

So, I'll backburner the whole abortion issue in favor of some undefined vague thing that nobody will understand, just as soon as I learn to stomach women suffering and dying because they're a "loser wedge issue."


by fwiffo on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:18:54 PM EST
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Re: Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (none / 0)

Most American pro-choicers that I've met are not passionate pro-choicers.  They do not make abortion the single issue like many of the pro-lifers that I've met.  I think that overall, pro-choicers not being as dedicated to the single issue is a good thing (while the pro-lifers' adherence to their single topic is not) as it is an issue that is overemphasized.

The apeal can be made on an economic level, so long as the right words are used.  I agree that "economic fairness" is too ambiguous to be the right words, but there are other ways of stating things.


by nanoboy on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:33:28 PM EST
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Re: Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (3.00 / 1)

i think the words that ppl are looking for here is not "economic fairness" but "JOBS", Dems win when they run on Jobs, Healthcare, and Education.  In 2006 dems need to frame the debate and not let Republicans push hot button issues like abortion and gay marraige to turn out single issuse voters that vote against there own economic and political interst in their stirred up ferver.  And if we have to kick Lieberman out of the party to set an example then go Ned Lamont.  


by NOVADem on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 03:29:27 PM EST
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Re: Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (none / 0)

Well, what I meant by "economic fairness" is 'all of the above' that you mentioned. I recently heard a figure that CEOs in the United States are paid on average some obscene number around 400 times the average worker's salary, where in Europe the difference is closer to 11 times.

The positive aspect of this is that in America, we do not have the longer history of class resentment of France for instance, and Americans generally don't like the idea of holding others back with excessive taxes. This is why Democrats lose with 'class warfare' language.

What needs to be done is to avoid putting forth a negative agenda of 'sticking it to the rich' and equality for the sake of equality (i.e.; we must in Clintonian fashion 'triangulate' those objections away from the Republicans), but rather a positive vision which shows how much more the country could be flourishing and revitalizing 'the American dream' for all by means of greater economic equalization.

Bill Clinton summed it up in the plain-folk moral that "if you work hard, and play by the rules, you should get ahead in America". The Republicans are violating this principle of 'the folk' left and right and that is where we should strike.


by mcdonald928 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:36:42 AM EST
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Re: Backburn the abortion issue PLEASE (none / 0)

So long as you realize that the abortion debate is a subset of the larger economic fairness cause.  Both are about self-autonomy, and, as I would have it, dems would tie everything they say back to self-autnomy


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:27:00 PM EST
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The pattern is set (3.00 / 1)

In the future, Republicans will continue to offer extremist judges with good academic credentials who avoid answering questions and have a short history on the bench.  We all know where they stand but the media will try to act like that is not so.

Say hello to even more Ivy league wingers.


by David Kowalski on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:27:56 PM EST


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