Gore: The Conscience of the Party

UPDATE: I've added a picture of me trying to hypnotize Gore. I asked him about blogs and he said, unprompted, that among the blogs he looks on occasion at are Daily Kos. He has read MyDD as well, but it's not a regular read apparently.

Digby is right.  Gore is the conscience of the Democratic Party.  My favorite part of the Gore speech is the following passage:

Look for example at the congressional role in "overseeing" this massive four-year eavesdropping campaign that on its face seemed so clearly to violate the Bill of Rights.  The President says he informed Congress.  What he really means is that he talked with the chairman and ranking member of the House and Senate intelligence committees and sometimes the leaders of the House and Senate.  This small group, in turn, claimed they were not given the full facts, though at least one of the committee leaders handwrote a letter of concern to the Vice President.

And though I sympathize with the awkward position, the difficult position, in which these men and women were placed, I cannot disagree with the Liberty Coalition when it says that Democrats as well as Republicans in the Congress must share the blame for not taking sufficient action to protest and seek to prevent what they consider a grossly unconstitutional program--many did.

Amen.



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We'll See (none / 0)

if anyone really pays attention to this though. There isn't a ton of new ground being covered here, just a reminder of everything at once. Gore's got a name that gets things noticed, but how many people are still waiting to be swayed?
by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:18:53 AM EST

Re: We'll See (none / 0)

Is there any reason to believe that Al Gore will be treated any differently by the M$M and the Democratic Party than Howard Dean, Sen. Byrd and Jack Murtha were treated when they attempted to speak truth to the American people?
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 01:05:23 AM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

The MSM, in their efforts to appease the right and their bullshit spin, will NOT give Gore any more credit than any of the other people you mention. It's sad, but true.
Memo to neocons: I respect your right to have an opinion, but I just don't want to hear it anymore.
by blogus on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 06:20:25 AM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

Stop saying MSM.  
by Matt Stoller on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:14:33 AM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

That's right. M$M is more accurate.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:29:23 AM EST
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Re: We'll See (none / 0)

Stop it.
by Matt Stoller on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:44:38 AM EST
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Re: We'll See (3.00 / 0)

I'm rubber, you're glue!
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:35:19 AM EST
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Yes (none / 0)

and he became the conscience of the party AFTER he got out of elected office. Integrity? Anyone? Anyone?
by zt155 on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:22:42 AM EST

Re: Yes (none / 0)

Once the cows get out, it's important to get the barn door closed.
by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 10:28:44 AM EST
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Re: Yes (none / 0)

Gore did just fine even while in office. Thank you very much.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 10:54:46 AM EST
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What a great speech. (none / 0)

This speech bridges the gap between regular walkin-around Democrats and their comfortable leaders in DC.  HE really didn't say anything too radical for a regular politican to say and it was a very libertarian-tinged speech.  A winner.

I have had mixed feelings about this man in the past, and he was a piss poor candidate in 2000, but this man really did give the "conscience" speech today.  

by Sam Loomis on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:33:33 AM EST

President Gore in 08! (3.00 / 1)


by synthia on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:45:15 AM EST

chills- what a speech! (3.00 / 1)

Hmmm....If he runs in 08, that certainly throws the whole race for a loop. He could really bring together the netroots and the establishment. He's gotta be thinking about it...
"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:56:33 AM EST

Thanks, Matt (none / 0)

And a cool picture :)

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 02:48:52 AM EST

Re: Thanks, Matt (none / 0)

Did Matt Stoller meet Al Gore?  You serious?
by Winston Smith on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:00:44 AM EST
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Re: Thanks, Matt (none / 0)

Yup, he apparently did.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:35:25 AM EST
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Your eyes are getting heavy Al (none / 0)

You cannot lift your arms. You are getting sleepy. Deep . . .   deep . . . sleep.

by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 07:56:29 PM EST
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Hmm, "not taking sufficient action... (3.00 / 1)

... to protest and seek to prevent" something "grossly unconstitutional."

Sounds familiar.

Sounds just like knowing that the American People, in Florida and the nation, have given their consent to govern; then "not taking sufficient action" to disallow unlawful electors or object to treasonous court edicts to honor that consent. Which incidently is the ONLY moral principle on which this once-great nation was founded and rested.

Failures like that can put the contract know as the US Constitution into breach (as occurred on January 6th, 2001).

Digby is wrong. John Conyers is the conscience of the Democratic Party and the (formerly) American People.

If the "netroots/blogosphere" want to engage in "sufficient action" we should start campaigning now for Conyers for President in '07. (Yes, really.)

What Gore said is fine; as far as it goes. But it simply doesn't go far enough. Actually, saying "criminal president" without saying IMPEACHMENT really doesn't go anywhere.

Unless and until Gore comes clean about January 6th, 2001, as Sen. Boxer did when she stood up on January 6th, 2005, he can't be anyone's conscience.

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by Dusty on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 07:27:27 AM EST

Re: Hmm, "not taking sufficient action... (none / 0)

I agree with the idea of a Conyers for President campaign, but let's not kid ourselves about his chances of winning. In addition to being a black man, he's just not a natural campaigner. That's also why I'd have to see a whole lot more of Al Gore giving impromptu speeches, before I can be convinced he has the proverbial snowball's chance of winning the Presidency.

Perhaps the biggest hurdle of a modern Presidential campaign is MTV Charisma. The American people are too shallow to vote substance over sound bites. Warren Beatty may be our best shot. A few Oprah appearances, some face time with Larry King and we'd have a sure winner as long as he didn't try something stupid like thinking. America hates deep thinkers. We have to give them a candidate as shallow and stupid as they are so they want to have a beer with him.

by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:40:04 AM EST
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Re: Kidding ourselves (none / 0)

There is something worse than "kidding ourselves" and that is being kidded (once again) by others.

This business of "electablility" is just one more insidious propaganda meme. It is perpetrated by the "professionals" among the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy (insert Bob Shrum if you like) that continue to be obsessed with garnering the last half a percent of the "elusive middle."  

They've been at it for decades now, expecting a different result. It is the definition of madness. But it serves the interests of the neofascists well, so they promote it. It also serves the Euphemedia's "horserace" requirements.

What frightened the beltway boobs about Gov. Dean was that he dismissed it (and them). He said "we're going to put our flag in the middle of where America ought to be and bring people to us!"

That's how to lead, how to win elections, how to be the one they "want tot have a beer with."

But the "beer" factor is only one of many, many small factors. The simple truth is that the Dems can nominate literally anyone (yes, anyone - Beatty, Conyers, Sharpton, Chelsea - anyone) and they will be just as "electable" as the only alternative to the other candidate.

However, my proposal is to draft/run Conyers NOW. Conyers07, via the Speaker/Impeachment route. It could well be just "out of the box" enough to capture the public's imagination.

And if it did, it would certainly capture the congress in '06 and could bring down the castle walls for generations.

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by Dusty on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 02:53:54 PM EST
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Re: Kidding ourselves (none / 0)

conyers is 78. case closed.
by yomoma2424 on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:43:53 PM EST
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Re: Kidding ourselves (none / 0)

Well, something's closed.
by Dusty on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:11:46 PM EST
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Re: Hmm, "not taking sufficient action... (3.00 / 1)

I love my warriors, and Rep. Conyers is one of most favorite among them. But Gore has also been fighting in more ways than you realize.

Especially, your critique of Gore with respect to Jan 6, 2001, is totally unfounded.

Equating what individual senators can/could do to what Gore, the victim of the debauchery of that election, a victim that:

  1. all the same fought valiantly for 36 days for justice in that election, despite most Democrats staying on the sidelines
  2. when little recourse was left following the SC verdict, withdrew with grace and dignity (audio available at the link. please listen to the withdrawal speech if you can)
  3. after doing so, respected his own words and followed through to deliver his constitutional obligations as the president of the senate
and then returned with great vim and vigor a bit later to stand up for our causes, including
  • his vehement and again profoundly well footed opposition to the iraq war (which he made on 9/23/2000, a full 10 days before the senate vote on the IWR)
  • his call for repealing the patriot act and replacing it with a much smaller law that protected our civil liberties,
and now issued his resounding tour deforce and a clarion call for the preservation of our constitution and bill of rights, and thus the preservation of our constitutional republic itself, is a warrior deserving of high adoration and elevation, indeed.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:54:39 AM EST
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Re: Warrior Love (none / 0)

I'm well aware of the ways in which Gore has been fighting and not fighting.

My critique of Gore (and others) with respect to Jan. 6, 2001 (and 2005) is founded on Justice Breyer's clear instruction in his dissent to the BushvGore edict as to what the duty of each member of congress is on that day.

A more complete version can be found here.

The only "victim" of a stolen election is the electorate as a whole, as they are the only interested party to begin with. An election is a survey, not a contest. It is not Gore's to win or lose.

  1. Is there some relevance to the number of days Gore "fought valiantly" of which I am unaware? Would your opinion differ if it were only 3 or 6 days of valiance before forsaking the electorate? Mine wouldn't.

    Does the number of sidelined Democrats enter into this equation somehow?

  2. Quitting with "grace and dignity" is still quitting.

  3. Not sure what "respected his own words" means, but it certainly would have been more honorable to respect his own belief and knowledge of what the Will of the American People demanded.

As for his subsequent activity, it has been better than most -- but still worse than some: like Conyers, Boxer, and Dean. And in none of it does he call for action, as opposed to just more talk.

The neofascists still chuckle to the same joke; "Gosh, for a minute there I thought he might actually demand that they DO SOMETHING."

And doing something need not be as bold an action as impeachment/removal or war crime prosecution (though those ARE the requisite responses to the well-warranted accusations Gore makes). It can be as simple as opening a mouth, just standing on the steps of the (formerly) Supreme Court on Dec. 12, 2000 and saying "this is wrong, I don't concede to this," then letting the chips fall where they may.

It's not like anyone's asking him to turn a swiftboat into enemy fire. But that's another story...

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www.january6th.org

by Dusty on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 02:22:38 PM EST
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Re: Warrior Love (none / 0)

you've done little to change any view of mine, except to prompt the question:

what DID YOU do between 7/7/2000 and 12/12/2000 and the immediately following months to mitigate the situation?

Were out in the streets during the recounts?

If not, further ensuing discussion is pointless.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:50:22 PM EST
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Um... (none / 0)

...I don't get it.

If Bush and Cheney are both impeached and the Dems take back the House, Nancy Pelosi becomes president, not Conyers (assuming Pelosi becomes speaker, of course, which is likely).  The election is in 08, not 07, so that must be what you mean.

In any case, Bush will not be removed from office via impeachment.  Not going to happen.  It is mathematically impossible.  You need 67 senators to agree to an impeachment.  Only one third of senators are up for re-election in 06.  The Dems have 45 seats (44 + 1 indie on our side).  Approximately half of those seats up in 06 are already held by Democrats.  That means that if the Dems win every single senate seat up in 06 (which is not going to happen, of course), they will have only approximately 45 + (33 / 2) seats, or about 62 seats, which means in the best case scenerio, we will need five Republican senators to agree to impeach Bush (and no Democratic senators voting the other way).  More likely, even in a banner year, the Dems can't have more than about 55 seats maximum, which means we would need a dozen Republican senators to agree-or more.  Not.  Going.  *To.  Happen.

Now, we could do what the Republicans did to Clinton-pass an impeachment charge in the House (where it only needs a majority), knowing full well it will fail in the Senate.  I'm not sure if that is helpful, though.

by Geotpf on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 05:09:26 PM EST
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No, I mean 07 (none / 0)

I mean that we should draft Conyers to run for Speaker, on the platform that he will immediately initiate impeachment of bushcheney as the moral imperative that it is.

It would be a campaign to redeem our National Soul.

(Actually, this opportunity is there for any Dem who has to ambition to fill the vacuum of leadership that plagues the party.)

And yes, the odds are against achieving the ultimate goal. But that is rather beside the point. The effort itself would serve to energize the base, nationalize the 06 elections around bush crimes, and rebuild our sagging self-esteem (evidence of which can be found in prevalent air of defeatism - not to single you out personally).

And I don't agree that it is completely unachievable. All it would take is a few dozen Republican to face reality and/or fear the manifest fascism of this regime.

And FWIW, I've been here before. I spent most of Nov. and Dec. of 2004 being told - You'll. Never. Get. a Senator.

Then on Jan 6th, 2005 I walked out of the Hart Senate Office building to a celebratory rally of hundreds, carrying one of these >>


by Dusty on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:46:27 PM EST
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Hell yes! (none / 0)

It's time for the DLC to step to the back of the bus and time for the Black Congressional Caucus to take over the driver's seat.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:55:23 PM EST
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Re: Hmm, "not taking sufficient action... (none / 0)

http://thinkforyourself.mydd.com/story/2006/1/17/21420/7667#readmore

The link above is to a diary I just wrote about this. We need to restore Gore to the Presidential term he won. He was elected in 2000 by the consent of the governed, because the coup of 2000 was the first usurpation that led to the abuses we are seeing now.  

by thinkforyourself on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 07:02:49 PM EST
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The real conscience of the Democratic Party (3.00 / 1)

is the person who says..

"If Bill Clinton had misled Congress to go into a war, withheld documents under an ever increasing definition of executive privilege, and violated federal law by authorizing the NSA to spy on Americans, I'd have supported his impeachment and wanted to see him removed from office.  The Republican Party ought to ask itself if what George W Bush has done meets that same test."

by kmwray on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:34:24 AM EST

Gore has found his voice! (none / 0)

Al Gore's political career has been marked by a vacillation brought on by political calculation over conscience and conviction. I wish he could bring that with him back into the challenge of running for the presidency. He would be a powerful candidate. Right now he does help give some spine to other candidates who are making their own calculations.
by cmpnwtr on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:24:20 AM EST

Where was this Al Gore in 2000? (none / 0)

If he had shown up, we'd be in the 2nd term of the Gore Admin.
by John Mills on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:26:21 AM EST

al gore's speech (none / 0)

Let's RE-ELECT Al Gore!
by napa on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:34:53 AM EST

Feinstein's Silence (3.00 / 1)

Like many of you I was at the Gore speech, a few seats away from Senator DiFi. I was shocked at her behavior. When Gore criticized Alito, in measured careful terms, the room erupted, standing O--what did DiFi do? she sat silently in support of alito.
i can understand her not applauding the passage quoted at the top, it is a crticism of her and her colleagues, but alito?! if it were ben nelson  i could understand, but a senator from California, unaccetable, just plain unacceptable for a democrat.
by MrT on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:37:32 AM EST

Re: Feinstein's Silence (none / 0)

She's doing a great job of demonstrating how useless she is to the party and the country. I've already told her that she's lost my vote, but I wouldn't expect that to change anything.
by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:46:55 AM EST
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Re: Feinstein's Silence (none / 0)

Di Fi has something like a $3 million war chest and doesn't give a damn about her constituents. We're working really hard on throwing a primary challenger at her.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:40:27 PM EST
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Re: Feinstein's Silence (none / 0)

sign me up. not a ton of time to come up with someone though. At least there's no Repub waiting to profit from infighting.
by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:44:07 PM EST
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Re: Feinstein's Silence (none / 0)

I've got an Orange County DFAer I'm leaning on. All we need is a warm body so we can run a "Diane Feinstein Sucks!" commercial for 15 seconds. I think we'd get 25-30% of the vote without doing anything else.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 09:33:14 PM EST
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Re: Feinstein's Silence (none / 0)

The danger though is that we chase DiFi towards the center and when she probably still wins, she's less progressive than before.

Chance I suppose I'm willing to take though. Principles every once in a while and whatnot.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 12:09:00 AM EST
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Re: Feinstein's Silencing (none / 0)

You need to get someone to follow the "Corzine Model" used here in Jersey. A self-financed, 10K pound gorilla.

Taking out Feinstein would be the best thing Warren Beatty (and Annette) could do for the Anti-NeoFascist movement.

I think it's easier to use your own funds in a Federal race for one thing. Then from the platform of a Senate seat they could more easily terminate Ahnold, possibly on their way to the WH.

Really, do whatever it takes to get a sit-down; even just with senior staff. They need to be told that too many of us (them) are tilting at windmills by confronting the monarchists directly.

Our biggest problem has always been those slightly to our political right. Those who continue chanting "all is well" through 2 stolen elections,  a chain of Torturers R US franchises, and a kinder, gentler police state here in the fatherland.

Minnesota's calling in Franken. There no reason not to do the same out there.

My second choice would be Rob Reiner. But even a serious push behind Arianna would be worth it just to send a shot across the bow of the DC/DLC/Euphemedia Analstocracy.

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by Dusty on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 12:35:19 AM EST
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Can't Respect Him (none / 0)

Sorry. "Finding your voice" five years after leaving elected office, after refusing to fight the stolen 2000 elections, after running a horrible campaign that had no message and didn't even use its biggest asset, Bill Clinton, nope, it doesn't compute. It's easy to get mad and say your piece when you're on the sidelines and have nothing to lose, but everything to gain by just getting attention. It's much much harder when you have to worry about getting funding for that road project in your district, or that community block grant, and you need the Republican chairman of Appropriations to okay it. I personally think many Dems in Congress HAVE been courageous enough to say things very similar to Gore. Not all, certainly. And far from enough. But if anyone is displaying courage, it's them (people like Pelosi, Durbin, and Leahy). At this point, Gore is just a gadfly and is risking nothing. That doesn't qualify for the idol-worship I'm seeing today in the blogosphere.
by ColoDem on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:50:15 AM EST

Re: Can't Respect Him (none / 0)

Agree 100%  I am still mad at Gore for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  If he had run a halfway decent campaign, not sighed constantly during the first debate, and figured out how to win his home state, he'd be President today.

by John Mills on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:13:44 PM EST
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Re: Can't Respect Him (none / 0)

Gore is just a gadfly

DLC calling? Or is it GOP?

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 06:43:01 PM EST
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Re: Can't Respect Him (3.00 / 1)

I have problems with him because of the lousy campaign he ran in 2000.  He had everything going for him in 2000 and he blew it.  All he had to say is if you like Bill Clinton's policies I will continue them and you don't have to worry about me embarassing you.

Instead he ran this meandering, disorganized  campaign that had no theme.  His concession speech was one of the best of the entire campaign!  Frightening.

I met Gore in 2002 after he lost and he was charming, funny and actually spoke about policy.  I kept thinking if this Al Gore has shown up in 2000 he would be President.

I see speeches like this and think the same thing.  

by John Mills on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 07:07:13 PM EST
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Re: Can't Respect Him (3.00 / 1)

It now appears that Gore is in the 2008 Pres.race and I honestly believe he is our best choice.He is the only one who can stop Hillary in the primaries and that fact,in and of itself,makes him our best possibility.Forget Kerry,Edwards,Clark and Warner,none of them can stand up to her and she must be stopped or else its 4 more years of whomever the GOP nominates.This woman will never get 270 electoral votes barring a complete economic meltdown.

This brings us to Gore in the general election. Its quite true he ran a bad campaign in 2000,but he will be 8 years older and wiser next time and hopefully,the incompetent Donna Brazile will be kept far away from Gore along with the equally clueless Bob Shrum.I think Gore has one big thing working for him and that is good old fashioned guilt.There is no question that there is a feeling in the country that this man was cheated out of the Presidency and if he plays this feeling the right way,I honestly believe he can sail into the White House.He has the experience,the stature,he can turn enough red states blue to get to 270.

by Litvak36 on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:02:16 PM EST
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Re: Can't Respect Him (none / 0)

E.J. Dionne just said on Countdown that the M$M is practically salivating over a Gore/HIllary primary battle. I'm about ready to hurl chunks just thinking about it.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 08:42:59 PM EST
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