Dailykos Is As Large As The Entire Conservative Blogosphere

It really very nearly is. I'm not kidding.

Take a look at Dailykos traffic for September 8th, as of 11pm PST.

At the point when this picture was captured, Site Meter totaled 519,919 page views for Dailykos (the purple crest in the graphic). However, for thirteen of the hours recorded on September 8th, Dailykos surpassed 64,000 page views. Every time a site passes 64,000 page views in one hour, Site Meter resets the page views for that hour back to zero, and starts counting again. As you can see on the graphic, Dailykos reset back to zero page views for thirteen consecutive hours, from 7am PST to 7pm PST, inclusive. That means the site actually had another 832,000 page views that were not recorded in the main total. Overall, this means that with an hour left to count, Dailykos actually received more than 1.35 million page views on September 8th.

Considering that on weekends, blog traffic is usually about half of what it is during weekdays, it is possible to extrapolate total weekly page views for a blog by multiplying one weekday total by six. Using this metric, Dailykos is currently receiving around 8.3-8.4M page views per week. According to my latest survey of blog traffic, the top fifty conservative blogs combined for around 8.85M page views per week. That makes the audience of Dailykos roughly equal to the audience of the top fifty conservative blogs combined. In fact, Dailykos probably has a larger audience, since many people read more than one conservative blog a day. Conservatives even like to brag about how much they share their traffic with one another, which will make it difficult for them to deny this. And hey, Dailykos is growing much faster than the conservative blogosphere, so even if it isn't quite as large now, it will probably be soon.

Two years ago, Instapundit had an audience three times larger than Dailykos. Now, Dailykos is the equal of nearly the entire conservative blogosphere, and five other progressive blogs, Talking Points Memo, Eschaton, Crooks and Liars and AmericaBlog, all have audiences larger than Instapundit, which remains the largest conservative blog in terms of audience size.

In a media and political world dominated by conservatives, the blogosphere is emerging as a rising island--soon, perhaps, a continent--of total progressive dominance. As we progressives begin to turn the tide all over the country, it should be noted that the first place where the tide began to turn was on blogs. The revolution really wasn't televised after all.



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Now I know (none / 0)

I've said this before, but I want to offer the caveat again: in our modern politics, anger and hate are the big motivators driving a movement. At the moment, the Reeps are in control of everything, and the Dems aren't doing much. We've got plenty to be angry at, they've got nothing to complain about. That's why the con-sphere is in remission and the lib-sphere is exploding. It's good news, but don't read too much into it.
Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:43:56 AM EST

Re: Now I know (none / 0)

the con blogopshere was twice as large ass the pro blogopshere in 2003. They didn't ahve anything to complain about back then, either.

It is a lot more than progressive just being pissed off.

by Chris Bowers on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:45:09 AM EST
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Being pissed (3.00 / 3)

is part of it, no doubt.

But the big difference is that they have a whole media network to feed their partisans -- radio, cable news networks, and even non-blog internet sites like WorldNutDaily and the Free Republic.

We, on the other hand, don't have much of talk radio, nothing on TV, and a much smaller non-blog liberal web. So blogs become, by default, the best source of partisan information. Conservative bloggers, on the other hand, are but a small extension of their noise machine.

Add in their reluctance to create communities, content with the same top-bottom crap peddled by their heroes on Fox News, and you've got a recipe for a stagnant medium. In a year, we'll have twenty sites (including this one) with more traffic than Instapundit. This is our medium, and we're going to own it.

It's easy to forget, but as a medium we're really only 3 1/2 years old. That's not even a full presidential term. We're still in our infancy, which is quite scary.

by kos on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:55:32 AM EST
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Re: Being pissed (none / 0)

I acutally think another factor is that many conservative blogs are ugly and use crappy blog platforms. Really. Why go to a crappy website?
by Chris Bowers on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:05:17 AM EST
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On that point (none / 0)

I definitely agree. Scoop has spoiled me, I absolutely detest all other platforms now.

(Of course, Atrios seems to get tons of traffic . . . the blog's not ugly, but anything I could have done myself isn't what I'd call well-designed.)

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:14:12 AM EST
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That's Atrios' charm (none / 0)

A redesign of Eschaton would be as disastrous as the Mustang redesign.
by Teaser on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 09:49:25 AM EST
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Wasn't 2003 (none / 0)

the year of f@ck world opinion, we do what we want?

I mean, it's not necessarily the whole story, and I appreciate your work here, but I think some credit must go to Dem quietude and Reep abuse. A good deal of credit.

If there were actually some sort of fight brewing, over a Chief Justice nominee for example, there'd be more smearing, more distortion, more deception -- more Powerline! But what do they have right now? They're sitting around, trying to figure out whether "it's the Dems fault" or "let's not point fingers" is going to be more likely to get the Reeps off the hook for NOLA. The last big thing was Cindy Sheehan, and that didn't do much for them either, since the vast majority of Americans at least respected her right to speak her mind.

Just compare the Southpaws and Wingers feeds at Taegan's. The action is where the righteous indignance is.

For Pete's sake, Powerline is whining about friggin' Sandy Berger! Who's going to bother going to read that?

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:11:05 AM EST
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That's what (3.00 / 1)

got the Gingrich "revolution" going - it was hatred for all things Democrat and Clintonian.

The question is how to translate the emotions into something productive and constructive, such as a "Democratic contract with America".

by SwingVoter on Sat Sep 10, 2005 at 08:14:25 AM EST
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Re: Now I know (none / 0)

Catastrophile is absolutely on target and most astutre in his comment.  As he says, we [the liberal-left-left crowd] may be momentarily "bigger" in the blogosphere because we're out of power and under constant insult from Bushcorp and the whorish media. I'm afraid a Democratic admin a la Clinton, which I find full of manure by definition, would put a lot of this ferment to sleep. Second, the conservative mob already have their viewpoints more than amply represented all over the media, from "quietly" in the mainstream centrist-right and very much corporate organs, which they dishonestly continue to denounce as "liberal". Our viewpoints are generally "orphans" from teh standpoint of balanced presentation. hence our recourse to the net. A more reliable approximation of where we stand may probably be found in surveys, and, yes, elections. The new media site CYRANO'S JOURNAL ONLINE seems to carry pretty good analyses of media and politics.  Check it out ( http://www.cjonline.org/)
by punto777 on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 06:07:00 PM EST
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There are likely huge profits to be made (none / 0)

from liberal TV. I'm very surprised that we don't have a liberal Fox News yet.
The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 04:42:44 AM EST

Re: There are likely huge profits to be made (none / 0)

Not necessarily; I suspect liberals are less likely than conservatives to watch TV, and even when they do, are less susceptible to having their economic decisions influenced by TV advertising, which of course is where the profits come from.  I personally loathe commercials, and these days even PBS is much less appealing than the net.
Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama for President! Beat McCain!
by Alex on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 05:09:40 PM EST
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Re: There are likely huge profits to be made (none / 0)

I don't get it either -- if it were a stock, I'd buy it.  If it were a network, I'd watch it.  If it were a cable channel, I'd buy it.  I've been blowing that horn on various blogs from time to time for years.
Are Dem investors REALLY that stupid and feckless that there's NOBODY that sees the yawning chasm in the marketplace and wants to get rich filling it?
Was it Lenin who said a capitalist would sell you the rope to hang him with?  I don't get why there isn't even one rich right-wing nutcase recognizing that they could make a bloody fortune selling us lefties what we want to buy.  It's not like ONE station would counteract ALL the others put together.
by smartalek on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:27:12 PM EST
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The thing is, (none / 0)

who'd advertise on it?
Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:59:14 AM EST
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Re: growing? (none / 0)

...can't really escape the irony of the juxtoposition of this story and the last..
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 05:28:48 AM EST

All right: THAT was GREAT. (3.00 / 1)

Man, I laughed so hard I think I just woke up the kid I'm babysitting.

"WE MEN, AND YES, WE ARE HETEROSEXUAL MEN, REFUSE TO HAVE WOMEN OR AMBIGUOUSLY GENDERED PEOPLE TELL US WHAT THEY BELIEVE."

We men, and yes, we are (mostly) heterosexual men, refuse to have anybody talk down to us and go parading around trumpeting their own perceived superiority. I have a feeling women and the GLBT community feel the same way. Bloody hell, most people here have no idea what your gender is. I don't think most people here care. All that matters is that your tone is condescending and pompous, and that's nobody's fault but yours.

If you want to communicate effectively, you need to work on your writing style and your interpersonal skills, not go running to management or posting caps-locked rants about phallic symbols and male domination. It's been said over and over again in any number of ways, but you refuse to have heterosexual men suggest you're anything but the epitome of eloquence and genius. Your sheer f@cking arrogance is the only thing that's kept you from being accepted here. That and your own self-aggrandizement, which is neither masculine nor feminine, simply obnoxious.

If all you want is for people to obey your rules, you should at least spell them out beforehand. You should also go start your own damn blog. I'll link to it. Hell, I'll even set it up for you. (Seriously.) You won't have the audience you get here, but you're not an entertainer, right? You could care less.

Sigh . . .

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 06:41:16 AM EST
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'Free' Republic DELETES posts that they don't like (none / 0)

Which seems very un-blog-like..

Kind of like right wingers in general.. they are often very close-minded, inflexible people..

Not a strong survival trait, this inflexibility..

The dinosaurs were inflexible.. look where it got them..

by ultraworld on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 11:12:11 AM EST
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Can I have your extra peyote? (none / 0)

cos it's clear you got more than enough.
by Teaser on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 09:47:18 AM EST
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Wait, is this Coriander... (none / 0)

from DKos?  I think it is.

I thought you said that you "died."

by Teaser on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 10:44:32 AM EST
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Diagnosis: Clinical Narcisism (3.00 / 0)

You're such a frigging whiney-baby.  In every subsequent post you make, your narcisistic tendencies are getting more and more severe.  Maybe you should get that checked out.  I realize writing a dissertation forces you to do a lot of soul-searching, but it seems that in your case, you've somehow come to the conclusion that your soul is the center of the universe...
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The following quotes are just more fun to post than troll recipes.

"THEY ARE TOO ARROGANT TO ADMIT PROBLEMS MAY EXIST ON THEIR BLOG."  

"I believe someone such as myself with a BA in Rhetoric from Berkeley, an MA in Art History from The University of Chicago, and a PhD to come in Art History from The University of Chicago knows the definition of hubris."
---Metonym PhD-to-be

"I am not interested in self-aggrandizing rhetoric."
---Metonym PhD-to-be

"I have posted many diaries on Landrieu. I will refer you to the many who have lauded some of my diaries. My diaries are rigorous. Please reference my diary on the Petten Sea Wall. My diary on Hastert's bulldozer already discussed Hastert's resistance to the idea that New Orleans should be rebuilt.  And I compare this statement to the Dutch government's response to similar threats and problems in a diary entitled "The Dutch Model."  Both diaries can be found on the right margin of the opening page.  I do not find these conversations epistemologically interesting or intellectual.  I would rather focus your thoughts on my recent diaries.  I sincerely believe we should remain focused, read my incisive diaries, and discuss my ideas in an amicable and a productive manner. I just do not understand why people who claim to have a genuine concern about our political situation are not reading and responding to my diaries.  I am beginning to think that everyone here has very bad intentions, for if they were political, they would be engaging with me and my ideas. I really believe we need to focus on those things that are truly important: my diaries.  Read my diaries, get informed, be edified, learn what I think should be discussed, and know what it means to be an intelligent Democrat.  This is what I prescribe. Again, I posted information not discussed by anyone on the blog. Now read my penetrating diaries.  The diaries I posted contained information not considered by others. I find my diaries very exciting, and I think you should read a few of them and use them as models. My diary provides a roll call and quotations for a US Senator about the White House's opposition to funding for Louisiana's coasts.  I recommend everyone READ and RESPOND TO my rigorous presentation.  It is really impressive. I recommend you read my diary entry on Vitter. I provide a list of Senators who voted against an amendment propsed on 23 JUNE 2005 in a diary I posted yesterday.  I am shocked many of not responded to my diary.  I recommend you read and respond to my rigorous and very thoughtful diary. I notice I have this remarkable ability to analyze polls and election returns, and I can synthesize and streamline this information almost effortlessly.  This may explain why you have not responded to my diaries. Perhaps reading my diary entitled The McCaskill Strategy will help answer a few questions.  I posted it last night, and I believe one can find it in the right column on the main page.  I recommend you read it. It is also a particularly important time for readers to focus on my diaries.  I wonder if I should even bother."
"Please don't quote my writings without permission"
Metonym PhD-to-be

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 12:02:41 PM EST
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R_E_S_P_E_C_T (3.00 / 1)

You are kidding about this right?

THEY ALLOW THEIR USERS TO UNFAIRLY RATE YOUR COMMENTS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE OVERWEIGHT, LONELY AND SEXUALLY FRUSTRATED

This, in a nutshell, shows why you are having problems. You show no respect to the community.

by Curt Matlock on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 01:00:19 PM EST
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Worst... post... ever (3.00 / 2)


by Crazy Vaclav on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 01:27:47 PM EST
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I Wish This Was My Left Wing! (none / 0)

Cause Dude, that's what 11s were made for!
by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 06:23:07 PM EST
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The paradox of success (none / 0)

One of the issues that will need to be addressed as specific blog sites become very popular is the "paradox of success".
As the number of posting goes up the chance that they will be seen goes down and the chance for someone to reply or for a considered discussion to develop over time goes down.

There has been a steady trend of regular posters on dKos migrating to other sites. Their diaries just get swept away too quickly.

The alternative is equally unsatisfactory. Posting on a little known site also means that few people will see the entry either. For example, this thread has 1/7 the number of replies on myDD as it currently does on dKos. I assume that this is also about the ratio of page views.

There are many sites that use a forum format, but most of the ones I have seen don't have nearly the amount of traffic. The forum format seems better suited to issues not concerned with current events. So several of the regular posters about economics or Walmart, for example might work better in that format. The thread then become a historical record of contributions rather than vanishing and needing to be restarted frequently.

I think the popularity issue will need to be studied soon, before sites start losing readers because there are too big. I don't have any suggestions but perhaps the blogosphere should set up a forum for discussions on ways to grow and become more of an actor in the real world.

---Policies not Politics
Daily Quiet Image
by rdf on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 09:17:39 AM EST

Re: The paradox of success (none / 0)

DailyKos is just a huge water cooler where people can catch up and exchange information... What some are trying to do is make Kos into some kind of messiah..,when in fact  most go there to read other peoples opinons not his nor his front pagers...
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 10:49:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually (none / 0)

If you're talking about raw visitors, most just read the front page and whatever diaries are in the recommended box.

It's probably different amongst community members, who are clearly more invested in each other and the diaries. But they are a (relatively) small part of the site.

So the community, which IS the heart and soul of Daily Kos, goes there for people not me or Armando or Plutonium Page. But the majority of visitors to the site simply scan the stuff on the front page and rarely if ever delve deeper.

by kos on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:28:39 PM EST
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Re: Actually (none / 0)

For the majority of visitors, that's always going to be the case.  On sites that either aggregate a lot of data or post a lot of data, people are looking for a good editor to make recommendations to them.  

Content filtering is the big new thing.  Nobody can keep up with even a fraction of what is being posted daily.  You've built up trust with your readership who actually want you to save them from the sea of information on your site.

by clussman on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:53:34 PM EST
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Re: The paradox of success (none / 0)

At first glance it seems logical that x people can only do y amount of things, but in reality it doesn't work out that way.  People have been saying similar things for years.  

When we had 3 networks and cable was just starting, everyone predicted the demise of the networks (or the failure of cable).  Both thrived and, by feeding off of one another and generating press for one another in the form of popular shows, they actually grew their audiences in tandem.

Same thing with movies, various music formats, radio, books, etc.  The recent decline in movie attendance is actually being blamed on the quality of movies.  I say actually because I'm amazed to see an entertainment industry take an honest look at its problems rather than just blaming file sharing networks.

Just on the web, viewership to major news sites has not decreased as a result of the increase in blogs.  (I'm a prime example of that, rather than cutting one or the other, I just spend twice as much time reading online now...)

Another factor to consider is that the web is still growing.  We haven't approached a ceiling on viewership yet. :)

You're right about posting on little known sites though: nobody is reading what I'm writing.  That's why I'm over here, so I can at least participate in a conversation (still waiting for my week to be up on Kos).

OK, that last part was just a shameless plug.

by clussman on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:49:21 PM EST
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chris, (none / 0)

i asked this over at dKos, but let me ask i there as well.

are you comparing sept. 8th of dKos traffic to yearly averages of instapundit et al traffic?  if so, that's obviously incorrect.  if not, please explain a little better.  sept. 8th is in the middle of a seriously high water news event, so extrapolating from that crest and comparing to yearly or even monthly averages of the other traffic isn't exactly helpful.  am i missing something?

by Federalist X on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 09:47:19 AM EST

Re: chris, (none / 0)

I'm comparing Sept 8th dailykos traffic to Sept 6th conservative traffic. Follow the links.
by Chris Bowers on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 12:25:53 PM EST
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Re: chris, (none / 0)

got it, thanks for the reply.  i wonder though how much of it has to do with college being back in session (and i'm not joking there).  something that could be tracked i guess based on .edu IP addresses?
by Federalist X on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:29:34 PM EST
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Re: chris, (none / 0)

Federalist, I don't think it matters.  This clearly wasn't a scientific study of the blogosphere, just a generalization.

There are other faults to the study regardless.  Such as a lack of information as to whether any conservative blogs had periods where their counters reset, thus bumping their score.  There's also a statistical error from using two different dates, even when they are that close together.

However, the overall point of the article is valid.  The liberal blogosphere has been growing by leaps and bounds while the conservative blogosphere has more or less stagnated.  It's something that has been discussed in both spheres recently.

by clussman on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:56:55 PM EST
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conservatives' denial (none / 0)

"In fact, Dailykos probably has a larger audience, since many people read more than one conservative blog a day. Conservatives even like to brag about how much they share their traffic with one another, which will make it difficult for them to deny this."

C'mon DD.  Since when have the conservative bloggers had any trouble denying anything?  It's their #1 skill.

by drlimerick on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 10:51:25 AM EST

Re: conservatives' denial (none / 0)

Nah, it will make it difficult.

So they'll ignore it, instead.

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 06:30:32 PM EST
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Fears (none / 0)

if the liberal blogosphere is so much bigger than the conservative one, then it is only a matter of time until the Republicans try to destroy it.  We should be using all our energies to think of ways to protect ourselves from whatever they can do to us...they can use Congress--to sponsor legislation to restrict, tax, or censor the blogs...they can use the courts, to sue bloggers...are we ready to defend ourselves...sorry to sound so paranoid, but the US is creeping towards totalitarianism, the blogs may be our only respite, we need to be thinking about these issues.
by MVD on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 11:28:24 AM EST

FCC (none / 0)

While we have all been worried about the Federal Election Commission the cable operators have been very busy with merger & acquisitions.

Who ever controls the pipes controls the Internet. I think the cable operators would like to take us back to the world where Prodigy, Compuserve and AOL could not talk to each other.

Note, many media organizations, TimeWarner, NewsCorp, Washington Post and other are also cable operators. I don't think FCC regulation is going to be covered in a very detailed way.

by Alice Marshall on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 12:50:24 PM EST
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Someone else pointed this on at dKos (none / 0)

and I just wanted to make sure Chris saw it.

Posting a comment on dKos involves three page views: the diary, the "make a comment" page, and then the diary again, now with your comment added (that's without any previews).  If you post, say, three comments, you'll have seven page views of that diary.

The conservative blogosphere doesn't have comments.  In fact, their websites don't even seem to have moving parts; you can read all of Andrew Sullivan with one page view, instead of dropping below the fold five times to read five different posts.

Because of the number of page views involved in moving around through dKos, it's not clear that a page-view to page-view comparison between dKos and the conservative blogosphere is a good one. Multiple reloads of the same diary could badly inflate our sense of how many and how much people are reading.

As much as I want to declare victory over the conservatives, I don't want to declare it prematurely or based on imperfect analysis.

Can anyone think of a better way to make comparisons between our community sites and their singlepage sites?

by texas dem on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:23:56 PM EST

Re: Someone else pointed this on at dKos (none / 0)

The vast, vast, vast, majority of visitors don't comment. Let's say dkos has 5,000 comments a day (really rough guess), that would account for 15,000 pageviews. Times that by six, and we've got 90K pageviews out of how many millions? 8-9 million?

But yeah, the community nature of the site assuredly inflates the number of pageviews compared to single-page, no-comment conservative sites. That's self-evident. How significant that is will be up to the blog scholars like Chris and Matt Stoller.

by kos on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:34:39 PM EST
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Re: Someone else pointed this on at dKos (none / 0)

Texas Dem,

Yes.  You measure unique visitors instead of 'hits' (individual files sent to the browser, including graphics, external CSS and javascript files, etc.) or pageviews.  It's the best metric for comparing site traffic since it measures, well, site traffic.

However, it still is not useful as a scientific indicator.  Why?  Because a lot of people will receive content from cache servers.  Especially more static content.  Really dynamic content (content that changes, such as with comments) is less likely to be served from a cache server.

What that means is that sites with lower traffic, or no comments, will be sorely under-represented when using this metric.  Which is actually another defect in the statistical method behind this post. ;)

PS I'm a Texas Dem too.  In Austin.

by clussman on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 04:02:31 PM EST
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Follow DarkSyde: use the #s as clout against MSM (none / 0)

DarkSyde suggests on kos that we use these ever growing numbers for the left blogs, especially Kos, to torque the MSM.  I agree.  For example, I have been pounding away for three days in a row on the NYT public editor about the imbalanced coverage of democratic party voices in Katrina.  If 10K or more Kos readers blast the NYT, or if all Kos readers who are also NYT subscribers threaten a boycott unles more balanced coverage emerges, they might get the message.
by calscientist on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 02:44:53 PM EST

Re: Follow DarkSyde: use the #s as clout against (none / 0)

If you put the same energy into bringing new people to lefty blogosphere it would be a lot more effective. The difference between perspective between those who read lefty blogs and those who don't is phenomenal. It is amazing how many Republican talking points people internalize if they don't read blogs.

Moreover at some point the logic of the market will assert itself. If we want WETA to replace Jim Lehrer with Robert Parry, we simply need to keep linking to Parry until market forces assert themselves.=

by Alice Marshall on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:39:48 PM EST
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Re: Follow DarkSyde: use the #s as clout against (none / 0)

Interesting perspective--namely, you are suggesting that increased growth of the liberal blogsphere will doom the NYT to irrelevance without change, for example.  Possibly.  However, since the relationship of the blogs to the media is developing as a symbiotic one, I still think it is appropriate to torque the MSM.  I suggest both/and rather than either/or in terms of enhancing the lefty blogosphere readership and torquing the MSM to cover our concerns more.  
by calscientist on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 03:42:37 PM EST
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