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FEMA Detainment Camp

by Parker, Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:57:28 PM EST

This is now getting downright scary!!!
Read a first hand account of a REAL FEMA Detainment Camp being set up in Oklahoma.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and *they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months."

Mom appeared to have cornered the market in five counties on pop-tarts and apparently that was an acceptable snack so the guy started shoving them under the counter. He said these would be good to tied people over in between their two meals a day. But he tells my mother she must take all the breakfast cereal back. My mother protests that cereal requires no cooking. "There will be no milk, ma'am." My mother points to the huge industrial double-wide refrigerator the church had just purchased in the past year. "Ma'am, you don't understand...

It could cause a riot."

He then points to the vegetables and fruit. "You'll have to take that back as well. It looks like you've got about 10 apples there. I'm about to bring in 40 men. What would we do then?"

My mother, in her sweet, soft voice says, "Quarter them?"

"No ma'am. FEMA said no...

It could cause a riot. You don't understand the type of people that are about to come here...."

Now I see why people would rather stay in their filthy flooded homes than to be "hosted" by a Republican Government. I was wondering why they were excepting plane loads of MREs from the Europeans... they are going to feed the evacuees MREs for 5 months...

This is outrageous... there are pictures...

They are going to jail families for five months...

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We've had detainment camps for decades. (none / 0)

They were set up in the fifties to hold up any Commies the government might choose to round up during a state of emergency.

If you think that's scary, check this out.

by craverguy on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:32:22 PM EST

Information blockade.. (none / 0)

Clearly, they don't want them talking about what they might have seen.. One has to wonder, will they imprison them if they start leaving - despite the money, whatever it is. (It seems to me that they might be able to do better on their own somewhere else.. especially if they have relatives, or any kind of support system elsewhere..)

IMO churches should adopt them.. at least the older people and the sick.. to help get people out of there.

They have already been through way too much...

by ultraworld on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:23:56 PM EST
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I knew this was coming (none / 0)

This is from a diary that was not deleted:

Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement
Here are a few of the relevant laws.

Principle 1

1. Internally displaced persons shall enjoy, in full equality, the same rights and freedoms under international and domestic law as do other persons in their country. They shall not be discriminated against in the enjoyment of any rights and freedoms on the ground that they are internally displaced.

Principle 12

1. Every human being has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention.

2. To give effect to this right for internally displaced persons, they shall not be interned in or confined to a camp. If in exceptional circumstances such internment or confinement is absolutely necessary, it shall not last longer than required by the circumstances.

3. Internally displaced persons shall be protected from discriminatory arrest and detention as a result of their displacement.

Principle 13

1. In no circumstances shall displaced children be recruited nor be required or permitted to take part in hostilities.

2. Internally displaced persons shall be protected against discriminatory practices of recruitment into any armed forces or groups as a result of their displacement. In particular any cruel, inhuman or degrading practices that compel compliance or punish non-compliance with recruitment are prohibited in all circumstances.

Principle 14

1. Every internally displaced person has the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his or her residence.

2. In particular, internally displaced persons have the right to move freely in and out of camps or other settlements.

Principle 16

1. All internally displaced persons have the right to know the fate and whereabouts of missing relatives.

2. The authorities concerned shall endeavour to establish the fate and whereabouts of internally displaced persons reported missing, and cooperate with relevant international organizations engaged in this task. They shall inform the next of kin on the progress of the investigation and notify them of any result.

3. The authorities concerned shall endeavour to collect and identify the mortal remains of those deceased, prevent their despoliation or mutilation, and facilitate the return of those remains to the next of kin or dispose of them respectfully.

4. Grave sites of internally displaced persons should be protected and respected in all circumstances. Internally displaced persons should have the right of access to the grave sites of their deceased relatives.

Principle 17

1. Every human being has the right to respect of his or her family life.

2. To give effect to this right for internally displaced persons, family members who wish to remain together shall be allowed to do so.

3. Families which are separated by displacement should be reunited as quickly as possible. All appropriate steps shall be taken to expedite the reunion of such families, particularly when children are involved. The responsible authorities shall facilitate inquiries made by family members and encourage and cooperate with the work of humanitarian organizations engaged in the task of family reunification.

4. Members of internally displaced families whose personal liberty has been restricted by internment or confinement in camps shall have the right to remain together.

Principle 22

1. Internally displaced persons, whether or not they are living in camps, shall not be discriminated against as a result of their displacement in the enjoyment of the following rights:

(a) The rights to freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, opinion and expression;

(b) The right to seek freely opportunities for employment and to participate in economic activities;

(d) The right to vote and to participate in governmental and public affairs, including the right to have access to the means necessary to exercise this right; and

(e) The right to communicate in a language they understand.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:35:28 PM EST

Are they under arrest? (none / 0)

Can't they leave?

by ultraworld on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:44:45 PM EST
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Re: Are they under arrest? (none / 0)

If they are retained there against their will, the displaced persons could probably ask for a writ of habeas corpus? It is still in the US constitution, right?

by ClaudeB on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:27:11 AM EST
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Re: Are they under arrest? (none / 0)

That depends. If Bush declares a federal state of emergency down there, which he can legally do, he can suspend the right to habeas corpus and Congress and the Supreme Court don't have the authority to stop him.

by craverguy on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:39:12 AM EST
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Also in Utah (none / 0)

Some refugees unhappy with destination
Clandestine: Officials wouldn't tell people where the plane was going to avoid refusals to evacuate
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune

Jervis Bergeron lost his home to Hurricane Katrina. He lost his dignity looting for food and water. He lost track of his family in the chaos that ensued as rescuers evacuated New Orleans.

Now he has lost his bearings.

"I knew where Utah was, but nobody told me that's where we were going. Nothing personal. It's nice. But I don't know anybody here," said Bergeron, among the first batch of 152 evacuees to arrive at the Camp Williams Utah Army National Guard training site.

Like others who arrived in smaller military planes, Bergeron wasn't told where he was headed when he boarded the JetBlue airliner Saturday at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport. In fact, great pains were taken to keep their destination secret.

National Guard officials asked a reporter and photographer aboard two separate military planes not to identify their news organizations or tell the refugees where the planes were going. They explained some refugees on earlier flights complained or refused evacuation when told where they were going.

Federal emergency officials said pilots had their passengers' safety in mind. Few evacuees are holding a grudge.

But some argue, as a matter of respect and simple courtesy, they should have been told where they were landing.

"I asked four or five people, but they said they didn't know," said Bergeron, 54. "It wasn't until the airplane doors were shut and the engines started that they told us, Utah."

Michael Widomski, spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), said keeping destinations a secret wasn't an official policy decision, but more likely a last-minute response to trying circumstance

Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement

(b) Adequate measures shall be taken to guarantee to those to be displaced full information on the reasons and procedures for their displacement and, where applicable, on compensation and relocation;

Principle 14

1. Every internally displaced person has the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his or her residence.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:15:04 PM EST

What a load of BS, you people are freaks (none / 0)

Posting stuff from conspiracy theory sites is sort of ridiculous. For example, if you actually bothered to read the stories written by news media rather than cheetoh munching tinfoil hat wearers here's some of what you might find out about Utah. Would you rather have the evacuees still stranded in NOLA?

Weary evacuees settle in at Camp Williams
Evacuees adjust: Utah helps them to get back on their feet

So a trip on Jet Blue to Salt Lake City, where churches and locals have arranged for food, medical care, shelter and jobs is an internment camp?

Or this Animal refuge: Utah businesses and volunteers offer help

Where at the same evil "internment camp" they are taking people with pets -- which aren't neccesarily allowed in the Houston shelters.

by quoi on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 12:34:34 AM EST

Time will tell.. (none / 0)

I hope you are right, but bluntly, you can't blame people here for being skeptics.. given the mess we have been seeing in NOLA and the GOPs history of shameless spin and untruth..

by ultraworld on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:59:23 AM EST
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It is happening all over the country (none / 0)

The Salt Lake Tribune

Clandestine: Officials wouldn't tell people where the plane was going to avoid refusals to evacuate
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune

The Denver Post

Evacuees' stories are moving, but fence isn't
By Diane Carman
Denver Post Staff Columnist

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought I was peering through the fence at a concentration camp.

The signs on the buildings say "Community College of Aurora," though for now they're serving as an impromptu Camp Katrina. About 160 hurricane survivors are being housed in the dorms, surrounded by fences, roadblocks, security guards and enough armed police officers to invade Grenada.

...

Kathy Arford, who owns a small remodeling company, Kateri Homes, arrived offering two jobs at $10 an hour.

"I need help," she said, "and I can teach people how to do the work."

The only problem was she couldn't get near the survivors.

"I've spent two hours trying to find somebody who'll listen to me," she said.

She wants to give a couple of desperate people a chance at a new life. She just needs to get through the fence.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:21:07 AM EST
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Re: confused (none / 0)

If you read through the comments of that entry the poster is a member of the church that donated the property... she goes into great detail and is even getting her minister involved in what she saw.

I posted above that this is also happening in other "camps" around the country.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:24:23 AM EST