VA-Sen: Affleck?

This would be right up there with the Illinois Senate race in 2004, but without a candidate, why not?
Why, who should happen to be pondering a move to Thomas Jefferson country but a certain square-jawed media magnet with a taste for liberal politics and millions to spend on it . . . Ben Affleck ! Star of "Gigli" and the J.Lo tab romance, now happily settled with "Alias" star Jennifer Garner.

The couple, expecting their first child, have been shopping for real estate around Charlottesville. British tabloids claim it's a done deal; we will only go so far as to report that they checked out at least one country estate a few weeks ago.

It was about that time that party officials started batting Affleck's name around. "It's spread pretty widely, at least in the political underground," University of Virginia professor Larry Sabato, Virginia's premier pundit, told Michael Shear, The Post's Richmond correspondent.

Actually, I can think of one main reason why not. Someone like Affleck would be a horrible, media sucking distraction from the 2006 campaign. This would be the equivalent media circus of the 2003 California recall election. It would destroy the generic advantage Democrats are poised to hold in 2006, and from which they will reap huge benefits if Bush's approval rating stays low.

So, please God, no, don't let Affleck run. The last thing we need in 2006 is for the star of Gigli to be our most recognizable national face.



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John warner (none / 0)

Rep senator John Warner was married to Elizabeth Taylor in his first run.  Affleck sounded much better than the professional politicians for the Dems during the 2004 convention.
by David Kowalski on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 11:42:56 AM EST

Is he intelligent? Articulate? (none / 0)

If so, why not? Anything is better than a GOP winner..

I liked Jennifer Garner in Alias.. truly one of the most entertainingly paranoid TV series in ages.. (although we have seen a lot recently..notably the exhausting and depressing '24')

Seriously..

by ultraworld on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:36:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sorry if this is off topic (3.00 / 1)

but did anyone catch that mike brown is saying he did a good job.

propaganda is so thick now you can cut it with a knife.

by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 11:51:15 AM EST

Come on... (3.00 / 1)

Cut us some slack here in Virginia.  We dont have a bench and if Benny moves to Virginia, he would almost move to the head of the bench.  

Plus, he could self-fund (even though his latest movies have basically flopped).  

I tend to disagree on the media circus.  It would only be a circus if he actually gained any traction in the polls, which he wouldnt.

by novademocrat on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 11:52:45 AM EST

Re: Come on... (none / 0)

This is the difference between the Dems and the GOP... only in the GOP dreams would they have someone like Ben wanting to "join the team" instead they make do with the Sonny Bonos and the Lynn Swans

If Ben went to the GOP and said we wanted to run in a state where they had no bench ... how much you wanna bet that the GOP would already coaching and prepping him. Swan has been in training for over a year now... now one said that he is just an old football player with ABSOLUTELY NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE AT ALL... like Sonny Bono.

Yet, here Ben an intelligent, articulate well known person is mocked... oh yeah... let's get behind Casey and Langeving instead... very interesting indeed.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 05:08:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Come on... (none / 0)

Swann is not ET every night with pictures of him in his underwear.  He has not been the biggest low-brow entertainment story over the past 3-4 years.  You cannot even compare the two.
by Eric11 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 05:59:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Come on... (none / 0)

CONAN THE BARBARIAN....please...
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 06:22:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Come on... (none / 0)

First off, I am talking about Swann.

Second, their movies are not important.  But how they act outside of their movies and in the limelight is important.  Arnold had a good rep outside of his films (clean cut, clean life).  Affleck doesn't have this.  He's viewed as a joke.  He appears on celebrity on poker and it seems he appears on the cover of US, People, and In Style almost weekly.  

by Eric11 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 06:41:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Come on... (none / 0)

Actually, Arnold's personal life is quite nettlesome, but as i argue in a post below, it hasn't hurt too much because he is branded so strongly as the Terminator that it is hard to change that image.  

Affleck, on the other hand, is known more for being a party boy, and that's an image that hurts Dems.  

by danielj on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 06:49:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Advertising 101 (3.00 / 1)

Getting famous people to indorse your product is one of the top rules in Advertising 101.

We are lacking a brand image and brand message.

Ben Affleck would make a  great spokesperson.  My first impression of him are a young,
intelligent,  multicultural, hard-working and charismatic guy.   (And I don't even like his
work)

We live in a time of Entertainment weekly, Entertainment nightly, Regis and Kathy Lee.
People identify with celebrities.  

It is time that we have some Hollywood celebrities that are Democrats and not just
liberals.

(Besides everybody I know loves his commercials with that quacking Duck!  oh....wait a minute...)

by wes wing on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:03:21 PM EST

I agree with Chris (none / 0)

For similar reasons, I don't want to see Warren Beatty running for Governor in California.
by danielj on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:12:35 PM EST

Re: I agree with Chris (none / 0)

It's different in CA though.  CA is a totally Dem state with a bunch of good, articulate candidates out there (or with the potential to enter the race).  

VA has no one (apparently).  The GOP shouldn't have the monopoly on actors turned politicians -- Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Fred Thompson, etc.

the lyceum
by mattgabe on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:20:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There is some (none / 0)

talk of John Grisham running.
by Alice Marshall on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:16:25 PM EST

Good Will Hunting (3.00 / 3)

Already parroting Republican talking points? (Gigli). Come on, now.

Afflect is the star of Good Will Hunting, Dogma, and Chasing Amy.

People don't always vote on issues. As Ah-nold demonstrated, they vote for celebrity. And beauty.

Afflect would make a great candidate. And Garner would make a tremendous surrogate.

Republicans are smart enough to realize celebrity -- Ah-nold, Reagan, J.C. Watts -- is valuable in politics.

Democrats? We don't do enough to embrace -- as candidates -- our famous friends.

by Democratic Wing on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:30:42 PM EST

Re: Good Will Hunting (none / 0)

Not to mention that he's practically an alcoholic and a prolific gambler.

Not stellar credentials, IMHO.

by MRL on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:05:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good Will Hunting (none / 0)

"Already parroting Republican talking points? (Gigli). Come on, now."

There are already talking points on this race? Damn--I need to stay up to date.

Shakespeare in Love I think was Affleck's best role.

Anyway, thanks for the great comment.

by Chris Bowers on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:40:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good Will Hunting (none / 0)

chasing amy, I think.  
by crimsonc on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:21:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh, I don't know; (3.00 / 2)

Affleck would have a lot less baggage to overcome than Schwarzi (can't spell "Schwarzenager") did when he ran for the CA governorship. Schwarzi had to battle charges of sexual harrassment and I think also latent Nazi-ism; Affleck, in contrast, got a lot less carried away by his fame. He slept with J-Lo and drank some? Wouldn't you, if you looked like that?) If he were to run, I'll bet he'd gain traction by making a joke out of his films flops and his celebrity in general, and contrasting that with seriousness of purpose now that he's hoping to do the people's work. It's not impossible; more ethically questionnable men (40, 43) have done more with less than Affleck's got in his head.

Just don't let Casey get anywhere near the podium!

by cedemaagd on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:32:40 PM EST

Affleck would be bad (3.00 / 1)

I have a hard time believing mildly conservative Virginia would be too open to replacing a popular senator with a carpetbagger. Affleck is Massachusettes raised and has been living in California for the past few years. Not to mention a stint in rehab. He's a smart guy from all accounts but if he wants to run for office in Virginia he might want to live there first.
by Bothwell on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:41:01 PM EST

Re: Affleck would be bad (none / 0)

No doubt about that.  Arnold S. maybe an idiot, but a lot of people considered him palpable and passed the "looks" test, not attractivness but that the looked like a politican.  If you don't think this matters, it certaintly does.  Affleck would be considered an absolute joke and I can already seen Hannity and O'Reilly calling us the party of Bennifer.  Why even give them that.  We already have a perceived, albeit unfair, credibility gap.  
by Eric11 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:57:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Live there first (none / 0)

Maybe he's taking a longer view.

If Allen get the Rethug nomination
for President and wins ( gag ! ),
there'd be an opening for his seat
in 2009 or so. If he runs and loses,
he'll be a fat target when he comes
up again in 2012.

If Senator John Warner decides to
step down, there'll be an opening
for his seat in 2008, right?

Don't know who's Congressperson
for Charlottesville, if or when that
seat might be open.

Of course, some hate "outsiders"
meddling in their politics. But how
many people in the D.C. suburbs
and around the Norfolk area bases
are Virginia-born? Not sure we'd get
many other voters if we ran a direct
descendent of Pocahontas.

And a newcomer can fund-raise and
campaign on behalf of other Dems
to make himself more accepted.

by Woody on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:25:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Is the bench in VA (none / 0)

this bad.  There must be somebody who can step up and at least make this race somewhat competitive.  At the very least, give that candidate some name recognititon for a future office run.  
by Eric11 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:58:28 PM EST

Re: Is the bench in VA (none / 0)

As I said before, there is no bench.  We are in desperate need to grow the bench here.  Its going to take some work, but if we can elect our ticket this year, the bench just expanded big time!
by novademocrat on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:21:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is the bench in VA (none / 0)

if we can elect our ticket this year, the bench just expanded big time!

so good, it had to be repeated.

by Alice Marshall on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:46:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Celebrity works for Reps... (3.00 / 1)

...but not so well for Dems.  And I don't think that it's an accident.

Celebrity status for Republicans has been helpful in projecting aspects of the Republican mesage that appeals to voters.  Football players (Watts, Largent, Osborne, etc.)?  Images of discipline, toughness, and strength are emphasized.  Further, sports tend to be ruthlessly meritocratic.  These perceptions reinforce Republican messages of self reliance and a strong national defense.  What would sports celebrity emphasize about key Democratic principles?  Nothing so resounding.

As for Arnold, it's not just that he was a superfamous movie star - it's the kind of image his movie roles famously projected.  Arnold is stamped - almost universally - in the public mind as the Terminator.  He ran for office at a time of seemingly intractable crises in California, as politicians dithered while the budget ran out of control and energy costs skyrocketed.  While we don't always feel the need to be macho, a strong plurality of Californians felt the time for patience and political wrangling was over - it was time for the Terminator to take control from those who couldn't harness power to solve big problems.  

In contrast, what does Warren Beatty or Ben Affleck offer besides fame?  Indeed, if anything, Democratic movie stars project things about the party that most people don't like.  Ben and Warren are notorious womanizers, and that tends to contrast poorly with perceptions that Republicans are the party of moral rectitude, while Dems are the party that tolerates moral decay. While Arnold's personal behavior may have been even more scandalous, his brand was too strong for that aspect of his life to be a deterrent.  

So, it's not just a matter of being famous. The image the star projects - and specifically how well that image reinforces favorable party images - is of paramount importance.  

by danielj on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:21:51 PM EST

Re: Celebrity works for Reps... (none / 0)

What (positive) Republican image did Sonny Bono project?  He was basically just whiny and pathetic on the Sonny and Cher show.  
"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:16:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My only hope (none / 0)

Is that this was leaked with the hope of scaring Mark Warner into running for Senate.

Why, oh why, isn't he doing this?

by niq on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:23:14 PM EST

How about Rep. Affleck? (none / 0)

There are only two states where actors are taken seriously enough at a statewide level, California and New York. That's due to large entertainment industries in those states. Everywhere else, an actor running for statewide office in his first campaign will come across as a sort of trust-fund baby with a sense of entitlement.

If Affleck wants to run for office, he should consider representing his district in the House. The biggest disadvantage of being a famous actor (media scrutiny) will be lessened by taking the race down the ballot and reducing the "sense of entitlement" gut feeling people will have. And the advantages, name recognition and money, will help more. Of course, he really should actually live in the district for a little while first, not just move there and run.

by abramcf on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:23:20 PM EST

Re: How about Rep. Affleck? (none / 0)

advice that Wes Clarck should follow
"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:17:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What Talk? (none / 0)

What baffles me about this Post article is describing Affleck as a candidate as a well-known topic to have been floated in the past two weeks.

Bullshit.  I've talked to a lot of Democrats on all levels about finding a candidate, particularly in the past two weeks, and nobody has said a word about Affleck.  Carpetbaggers don't do well in Virginia, and there's no reason why he'd be any exception.

I think the Post's sources are having a little fun at the paper's expense.  I don't doubt that somebody, somewhere suggested Affleck, but there's no buzz at all.

by Waldo Jaquith on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:44:44 PM EST

Re: What Talk? (none / 0)

I think you are on to something.
by Alice Marshall on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:48:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If Afflecks runs (2.00 / 1)

I will give money to his opponent, even his repug opponent.  Just to teach these Hollywood-types to shut the fuck up and quit thinking they are entitled to run for office.

It would be better for our party in the long run to have even a repug in office than having that fool Affleck be front-and-center for us.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:01:26 PM EST

Re: If Afflecks runs (3.00 / 2)

I don't have an opinion on Affleck specifically, but why should a career in acting preclude you from being involved in politics or speaking out? And anyone is entitled to run for office, as long as they meet the constitutional criteria.
by tothestars on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:04:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Afflecks runs (none / 0)

Heck yea!  See my comments below.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:30:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Have you heard him speak? (3.00 / 1)

He is articulate and intelligent. He can at least partly self-finance, and has instant name recognition.

He is also young, and who knows what the future holds for him?

I would hesitate to support a Streisand, or Beatty candidacy. But Affleck, he has potential.

by peacemonger on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:20:43 PM EST

Re: Have you heard him speak? (3.00 / 1)

Agreed!
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:29:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hypothetical Conversation (none / 0)

Hannity: Why should we consider you a success when so many of your latest movies have flopped?
Afflec: Movies like Gigli have had more success than George Bush's failed policy in Iraq.
by KainIIIC on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:34:23 PM EST

Better an actor then a war criminial (1.50 / 2)

I would rather see him then any of the returning murderers from the Iraq slaughter.
Being a survivor of an illegal war after following illegal orders to invade a foriegn country and proceed to murder the citizens there is no recommendation to me.
Those individuals have already shown a lack of any morality or principles.

I think it would be the final nail in the Democratic party to adopt murders as our standard bearers.

by Rational on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:47:45 PM EST

Don't write him off so quickly (none / 0)

I agree with the people here who says that Affleck is intelligent and articulate. The man was half of the Oscar-winning writing team of Good Will Hunting, a very intelligent and thoughtful film.

I watched his interviews during the '04 Dem convention, and found him very insightful. Yes, he might have some skeletons of being a "bad boy" in his 20's, but look at him now. He is married with a kid on the way. Sure, his wife got pregnant before they married, but he did what even the most conservatives would agree was the "right thing" and put a ring on her finger.

I wouldn't go so far as calling Affleck the next Dean or even Obama, but I think he would surprise most of us. Additionally, I do not think there would be too much concern in terms of fundraising, as he could probably use a lot of his own money and his celeb status would likely draw in money for the party as a whole.

by lalawguy on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:09:54 PM EST

Re: Don't write him off so quickly (none / 0)

To appropriately quote UVA football coach Al Groh in quoting Risky Busines... "sometimes you gotta say what the hey."
With Gov. Warner not running against Allen in VA, Dems have no chance. Stone cold. With Aflec, they might have a flicker of a chance. Name recognition wont be a problem and neither will money; with any other candidate, the aforementioned two would be huge problmes. I am a little frightened of him taking attention away from the general Democratic message, but if he is as articulate and intelligent as you guys have said, he'll just use the same message in his campaign. It might just work. Its worth the shot anyhow...
by AC4508 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:18:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's a question for everyone (3.00 / 1)

Why have the "Hollywood liberals" stay quiet?  Are they not people too?  Do they not have the same rights as us?  Do they not care about the political situations?

I'll go ahead and endorse Ben if he runs.

He's a human and a Democrat, and that's where it counts.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:29:25 PM EST

Wait a minute (none / 0)

Is all we have to go on is an article in the Washington Post?
Next thing you know someone will say we need to go to war because the WPost says so.
by Alice Marshall on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:49:55 PM EST

you ever notice... (3.00 / 1)

that when a conservative movie star or popular figure talks about running for office, the righties almost universally cheer them on, yet every time it is brought up on our side, it's nothing but hemming and hawing.

Look, this isn't the CA gubernatorial race, we don't already have a good Dem candidate lined up.

I would definitely support an Affleck candidacy.

He has the beliefs, he has the message, and if it gets more airtime for the Democratic version of the contract on America, hey... even better!

-C.

by neutron on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 03:50:27 PM EST

Well Coors ran in CO (none / 0)

He lost but everywhere else Reps. made gains. And that was a Beer producer that sounds worse to me.
Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 04:22:31 PM EST

If we are rating movies (none / 0)

Then Ben is in the same league as Arnold and Reagan... the only difference is that he is intelligent.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 04:44:43 PM EST

This is a bad idea... (none / 0)

...and bullshit gossip to boot.
by Geotpf on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 08:00:28 PM EST

Hey, there's plenty of precedent... (none / 0)

There Virginia did elect George Allen, whose only claim to fame was his father's name.

And we do have Fred Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fred "Gopher-Love-Boat Grandy" and Sony Bozo to consider.

by notime4lies on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 08:16:15 PM EST

Ben could win in losing, if... (none / 0)

I don't think that Ben has a snowball's chance of winning VA, which is a rather reddish sort of purple at best.  But that could actually help Ben--a young Hollywood carpetbagger who would start the campaign as a punchline--if he responded to his foregone loser status by cutting loose and doing his best to tear Allen a new one.  

Sure he won't win, but by defying low expectations and being the surprisingly articulate young man we know him to be, he could do alot to endear himself to the Party, gain valuable campaign experience, and maybe punch a few holes in Allen before his likely 2008 run.

Allen would no doubt like this race to be a landslide/coronation so he looks like a winner when the presidential race heats up.  Ben won't have any trouble getting attention, unlike other Dem possibilities--and I remember thinking in 2004 that he was a better politician than he is an actor.  It would be so sweet if he could rain on George Allen's victory parade.  All he would have to do is do better than he's supposed to.  And the Ben Affleck I saw is better than you expect him to be.
   

by paul minot on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 10:01:19 PM EST

Democratic Snobbery (none / 0)

Excuse me- but I find your snobbery not a good thing. If he ran, and ran a credible canmpaign that got people to vote for him- considering where the Democrats are right now, then that's a good thing.- I would argue we don't have people to spare. If Fred Thompson and a lot of other Republicans can run credibly and retain careers in film and tv- why not a democrat? The only reason I can see being so quick to dismiss him is a certain about a snobbiness. I've argued else where one of the party with the left is that we feel the need to prove how much more smarter than anyone else in the room is. You know what- there is nothing wrong with sometimes having things easier.
by bruh21 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 10:56:41 PM EST

He probably ought to get an education (none / 0)

before he starts running for anything.  I'm just sayin.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Sep 28, 2005 at 12:30:59 AM EST

Ben Afflect (none / 0)

I wrote about why I actually think it would be a great idea.

Star power in a state whose current two senators gained their seats through buzz courtisy of kin (i.e. movie icon Liz Taylor for Warner and Hall of Fame coach George Allen for Allen).

And as a local Democratic operative in the Tim Kaine campaign said to me, "He'd certainly help get people  to watch the debates!"

by notime4lies on Wed Sep 28, 2005 at 12:08:40 PM EST

Why not WV? (none / 0)

I see that they are house shopping in Charlottesville, but I don't really understand why (if they are moving there for political reasons) they would not move to WV.  She is from WV, and her parents still live here in Charleston (I assume).  
WV is very much a Democratic state, regardless of Bush winning here the last 2 times.  Just don't talk down God and guns, and the Democrat will win here more often than not.
As a state, we have a serious inferiority complex. If he were to run here, West Virginian's would eat it up.  I think he would win hands down!
I realize winning in WV would not be nearly as impressive as winning in VA, but I don't think it would be as difficult either.  If he is planning to use it as a stepping stone, I think a victory in WV would be better than a loss in VA.  
Any thoughts?  
by SteelinWV on Sat Oct 01, 2005 at 02:54:11 AM EST


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