Revive The Benefit of the Doubt

Earlier today, I put up a rather unremarkable article, The Daou Critique, about a rather remarkable piece, Peter Daou's THE TRIANGLE: Limits of Blog Power.When I was writing the piece, I struggled with my commentary on Peter's article. Sitting in front of my computer, I felt stuck between two competing impulses. On the one hand, I was extremely impressed by what Peter had written, and I wanted to alert readers to it through a front-page article. On the other hand, I somehow felt as though I just couldn't put up a quote, say it was great, and send readers off to read it without adding some original commentary of my own (especially since it was on a subject that I have devoted a considerable amount of space to in my writing).

The second question was the one I really struggled with, because everything original I tried to add to Peter's piece was critical. In fact, at first, my commentary was lengthier than it currently is, but I edited it down because I thought it was too critical. This tendency on my part didn't make any sense, because I was basically in 99% agreement with Peter, yet I somehow felt compelled to spend 95% of my writing critiquing him. What was my problem? Could I only attach myself to Peter's excellent commentary by pointing out something that he missed, or offering at least a subtle disagreement with some small aspect of the overall piece? Why couldn't I just say, "that's damn right Peter," or something similar? In fact, I bet that if I did write something like that, I could only do so with a qualifier like "it's too bad person or group x doesn't get this as well." What's worse, I may have noticed this tendency on my part today, but I know that I do it all the time. I always have to butt in and tell people why they are wrong, even people with whom I agree.

Somehow, I have turned into a blogger who can only disagree with others, and who rarely, if ever, offers others the benefit of the doubt. I mean, there wasn't a single thing I said in my comments about Peter's piece that he didn't already know, but I still had to say them because I seemingly have lost my ability to give others the benefit of the doubt online. I know that I am not alone on this. Last week when I was in D.C., I had a drink with DavidNYC, and we talked about the ways that progressive blogopshere has changed over the past two or three years. At first I disagreed (go figure) with his assertion that the Dailykos community had really changed all that much since its inception, except in terms of size. Now, as before, Dailykos is a place where there are flame wars. Now, as before, Dailykos is a place where new blogging superstars are found. Now, as before, there are dominant points of view on certain subjects that tend to crowd out dissension. However (btw--I think "however" is one of my most commonly used words on MyDD), David made a coutner argument with which I had to agree. While he agreed with all of the points I made, he said that there was a basic change in terms of people giving others the benefit of the doubt. I know he is right about this, because I have both experienced it from others and experienced a personal change on my part.

Although I abhor the practice of well-read bloggers calling out commenters on the front page of their blog, here is what I think is a particularly illuminating example to this problem. In the Dailykos thread that discussed the report Stoller and I produced on the blogosphere, I received the following criticism from a commenter:
A quick reading of the report, however, suggests that Bowers and Stoller never discuss these demographics and the problems they might cause. I find that a little troubling, especially from an outfit that calls itself "progressive" (though I'll admit that I'm always suspicious of that word when used by people calling themselves "New Democrats").(...)

At any rate, so long as blogs skew male, wealthy, and young, we need at the very least to take what goes on here with a grain of salt. Without fighting old battles, I think we've all seen the effects of these demographic biases in the progressive blogosphere, from pie fights, to Langevin cheering, to a relative lack of interest in labor and welfare rights issues. That Bowers and Stoller don't see this as a more important challenge to be addressed disturbs but does not entirely surprise me.

This was really offensive to me because, as I pointed out in response, I am very concerned with these issues, and my past writing shows this:
I ignore them do I?

Two Quick Notes
Anti-Labor, pro-liberal
Women and Blogging
Blog Demographics
Diversity and the Two Lefty Blogospheres
Things I hate about the Progressive Blogospheres

Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt and being so familiar with my writing on these issues before you accused me of ignoring them.

The commenter wasn't wrong to point out that the report did not take up those issues at any length. However, because I didn't discuss them at length in that report, the assumption was made that I never addressed those concerns anywhere in my writing. Then again, why would they know that I wrote all of those things? Even though I have been a regular contributor to the Dailykos community for well over two years now and have a fairly popular blog, there are literally tens of thousands of other regular contributors, not to mention hundreds of other popular blogs. How could everyone possibly keep up with all of that?

Instead, I was anonymous. In this circumstance, I wasn't a well-known member of the community, as I am to some people. Rather, I was pretty much only what I wrote in the report. Thus, since the report didn't have all of the disclaimers some would like, or spend a significant amount of time on all the subjects everyone would like, I myself did not have the disclaimers some would like, or address all of the topics some would like.

And this is really a large part of the problem, isn't it? With greater size, the progressive blogosphere has become far, far more anonymous than it once was. However, it has not lost any of its confrontational nature. Thus, as we operate in a generally blind and enormous space where confrontation is the order of the day, strangers are bumping into one another more often and with greater ferocity. As a result, the benefit of the doubt and community support has all but been erased. Worse, any confrontational environment without the benefit of the doubt is going to become violent, and fast. Over time, such violence becomes the norm, and needlessly critical writing styles become dominant.

This has been going on for sometime. Shortly after the election, when "mainstream" bloggers were portrayed as a secretive and tightly-organized cabal by some, I tried to re-humanize us and the debate surrounding election fraud in a lengthy Dailykos diary entitled A Mainstream Blogger Responds. I should have heeded my own warnings in that diary to remember who bloggers are and how they produce their work before becoming overly critical of what they produce. Instead, I slowly turned into exactly the sort of person who I urged people not to become in that diary, and now if I can't criticize something, I hardly ever bother to write about it.

Well, hopefully it is not too late. Maybe we can still reverse these trends, if we just, for crying out loud, start to give people the benefit of the doubt. We need to stop assuming instantly when people disagree with us that they are trolls. We need stop spending such huge portions of our links to other progressive blogs explaining why they are wrong. We need to stop accusing people of being on the payrolls of people we dislike, or cavorting with folks we do not like. We need to assume that even though someone did not say every little tiny thing we would have liked in something they wrote, that there is a good chance they have said that or disclosed that somewhere else, but that we just haven't seen yet.

It may be an oxymoron in a world operated almost entirely by electronics and advanced technology, but we need a more human blogosphere. That is perhaps the best thing I remember about Blog for America during the Dean campaign--it was a very human place. No way I'd say that about pretty much every progressive blog now, even though there is about 99% more similarity among the two million people who read the progressive blogosphere as there is dissimilarity.

We just gotta remember that we are sisters and brothers here. For that reason alone, we should assume that others here agree with us, rather than disagree, and start treating each other like we are on the same team. If there should be any assumption between strangers in the progressive blogosphere, it should be that they agree with each other, are working together and that they will become friends. If we don't do this, then as we continue to grow exponentially, this is going to become an even more disturbing place as time goes on. I'm not going anywhere no matter what happens, but if things do get worse, I worry about what the blogosphere may do to me as a person. I would really like to retain my humanity in order to maintain my position within the netroots. I imagine most people reading this would like to do the same. It may be cheesy, but I'd like to give humanity a shot.

<Group hug>


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God Chris this is so simple (none / 0)

When you find something that reveals the structure of the world - you seek to turn it into a prayer.

You want this piece to be beautiful, it is, according to you - 99 percent beautiful.

But for you, you also want it to live - you want the word to be made flesh.

So, I offer you not editorial but theological advice - don't pray for new things. After all, what is new about democracy, really - the noble savage viz rousseau, other points that perhaps de botton could make better than I - it is an artifact of the 20th century and , as always , reflective of the ideas of the ruling class of that time.

We are transforming, as a people - and blogs are a part of that transformation. We hold our cellphones up at concerts, tiny glowing screens.

You, like I, want to make them somehow more real than they are. You wanted the piece to come alive.  The tools you have been given are secular but your intense devotion - your quest - is nothing short of a search for the holy grail. No liberal. No progressive. Nothing "new" or "improved". Just the truth.

Who am I. Where do I belong. Why am I here. Especially in this post, where you're really trying to help people to understand that you really liked the post you ripped apart.

We are all in danger of becoming conservative humanists, chris. Think for a second. I just wrote about your post, not his - uplifting your ideas,  not his - but you know something? I get to read his post, and like it. I don't care about the front page.

I care about the bottom line.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 07:55:15 PM EST

Chris (none / 0)

Come to DL tomorrow; I will give you a hug, and buy you a beer.  (But only a cheap one.)
Progressive Philadelphia Politics: Young Philly Politics
by DanielUA on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 08:25:12 PM EST

A possible solution (none / 0)

Maybe you want a turn away from post-modernism and 'back' towards more modernist thinking?

Maybe if we had an overarching goal that we were comitted to (egalitarian society, socialist revolution, free cookies on Friday), then maybe we would be better at giving people the benefit of the doubt since we know they are part of the same community and working towards the same goal. I imagine there was a little bit more collegiality in the blogosphere in the runup to the election as people rallied behind Kerry.

Or maybe we would rather keep on the path towards making the blogosphere a place where we all practice our debating skills.

by adamterando on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 08:43:11 PM EST

On the other hand... (none / 0)

...when the goal was "fight Communism," we gave out  a whole lot of benefit of the doubt to people that it has now become clear did not deserve it so much. I'm thinking Saddam, bin Laden, various right-wing dictators in Central and South America, you get the idea.

There's a great line in one of Terry Pratchett's books that goes: "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions." I like that.

by rusty on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 03:30:17 PM EST
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Critical Review (none / 0)

Chris,

The essential element of the 'reality based community' that gives us strength, and I would argue is essential to all the great successful enterprises is critical review.  Each person subjects his ideas to self criticism and we subject our ideas to critical review by the rest of the community.  That is how the strongest and best ideas end up shaping our policies.  This process is the backbone of science, technology development, our government (when operated as intended), market economics, evolution, you name it.  This process is so ingrained that we do it automatically.  This is natural and this is good.  

Having said that you are right that there are times to curb this impulse.  One of the big problems we Dems have is carrying on the criticism long after we should have all agreed on some course of action (even if we don't altogether agree on it).  We all know the circular firing squad.  I can't give you some exact formula for when to hold back on the critical review.  All I can say is that the instinct to review critically is good, but if you feel the way you did, it is probably true that you need to hold back.  Listen to your instinct, but rule with your head.

by 8051FSW on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 09:16:42 PM EST

Very Good Post Chris (3.00 / 0)

One of the things that took me some time to get use to is how often a post I made received a reply that attacked my motives, my anscestry, my mother, my eye sight, my standard of living, even my fealty to the great progressive cause.

Example:

Andy: "Here are the 4 extremely logical and well written reasons why I think Dean might not be the best choice for DNC Chair."

Reply: "Shut up you Rove-loving Lieberman supporting Dobson donating corporate whore."

Well, you get the idea.

I am not advocating a blogosphere where sharp debate is at all discouraged and I dont think Chris is either.  Strong Disagreement on the merits should be encouraged.  That is the great thing about liberal blogs over the facist ones.  But attacking the motives of the person you disagree with, or reading him or her out of the Democratic Party or progressive movement should be discouraged.  Debate does not have to be rude to be critical or pointed.

So yeah, I agree.  When considering the motives and intentions of the posters in the progressive, center-left blogosphere, give the poster the benefit of the doubt.  

PS.  By the way, while I still think Dean would have been a lousy nominee, I think he has been an excellent Chair.  He is the only leadership Dem with any backbone.  Thus, I am no longer a corporate whore.

Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 09:36:23 PM EST

Criticism-Sometimes It's a Jumping Off Point (none / 0)

Chris,

I agreed with 99% of what you said, but...

Seriously, I think some of the 'criticism'is less criticism of what you've said, and more an excuse for someone to make a point that they want to make.  (I do this from time to time).  Essentially, the criticism is just a jumping off point for his or her argument.

by mfeld356 on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 09:37:47 PM EST

even Republicans deserve the benefit of the doubt (3.00 / 0)

sometimes

The kindest, most caring two people I have ever known were Republicans, and I disagreed vehemently with many of their political views.

As far as professional politicians go, most are not nice -- on either side of the aisle.  Most political staffers are neither wise, mature or generous.

To be political, active and effective, but to retain our humanity and our sense of humor is a challenge.

by jwp26 on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 11:59:42 PM EST

Hi Chris (3.00 / 0)

I'm a relative newcomer to making comments and writing diaries here; I'm also a relatively new solo blogger.

However, I'm not a newcomer to blogging, or to building online community, or to off-line progressive activism and how it interacts with Democratic electoral politics.

One thing that I tried to to on dKos, which is most possible in the context of scoop was to see any piece I wrote as merely the start point for bigger discussion. The idea being that an essay eventually becomes as important for the discussion it starts as for the content of the essay itself.  I can't emphasize this enough.

Further, I've always tried to respond to a fair sample of all the comments received in a straightforward, non-defensive manner....starting with those who made the best case against me.  Not many bloggers do this.  Steve Gilliard does, though with more brio than me.

That approach more than anything, made me the writer I am today.  First, because it honed my essays...and second, because it established good will and an open field for discussion.  Even my most poorly received diary...a diary about the ownership and editorial structure of dKos and what I saw as Markos' ill-timed and ill-conceived digs at members of our coalition..saw participation and civil debate from all sides.

It has not been rare for me to have someone lambaste me one day, and engage me the next.  And, since I tend to debate arguments, not people...it was easy for me to stick around. I agree that civility, and some basic sense of fair play, is the essence of productive debate.

However, and I say this simply to be honest...I think that "the blogs" have fallen into a very deep snark trap that is branded by a young, macho attack vibe.  Dismissal has become as common as engagement  to all our detriment.

I've seen it here at times, I've seen on dKos...and I've seen it on LSF, MLW and BMT.  To be honest, snark is both popular, it gets eyeballs and comments...and does the readers a disservice because it is, at the end of the day, empty calories if it doesn't have some substance to it.

Atrios rides this wave well.  Others don't.  Josh Marshall exemplifies a more straightforward approach, with Digby and Billmon highlighting a middle way.

I left the front page of dKos over a snarky anonymous attack piece that I thought did a disservice to our readers.  That "stand" was easy for me to take; that piece went against my off-line ethics.  

I think the biggest challenge to "the blogs" is that there really is no "off line" to temper bad behaviour...hence snark and attack are par for the course. Most mature off-line politicos I know do debate in good faith...and without too much pettiness.  Of course, face to face, makes it harder to be angry without consequences. (And, yes, I do, like everyone, have my share of "yell fests" with colleagues.)

As an off-line veteran, I do find it hard to understand how some otherwise good writers/bloggers have conducted themselves online.  There may be nothing to do but watch this negativity play out.  If, as it stands, it appears that I am destined to watch it play out distinctly from the sidelines.  So be it.

k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 12:03:39 AM EST

Hi kid o (none / 0)

I finished Chris' piece and thought of you immediately -- in the good way.  Fun to see what you had to say.
by texas dem on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 06:22:14 AM EST
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Revive the benefit of the doubt. (3.00 / 0)

I very seldom post into any of the major blogs, but when I do, I do so here at Mydd, for obvious reasons.  So bear with me a tad, and I will explain in more detail.

First, my congrats to the folks who do most of the daily postings since it provides me with a menu on considerable detail for my further postings. And for the record, I do not post at the other major blogs due to my time constraints, and further, I find that Mydd, suits my needs and equally important, fills my menu of needs relative to up-to-date info on issues of importance.

As president of the Chicano Veterans Organization, I take the view of the enlisted soldier and for us as an organization, we tend to speak on behalf of over 3.5 million Chicanos, and in that regard, we tend to be somewhat cautious in our pronouncements.  Thus, our approach is to see our efforts at "influencing" our community of self-interest, and that is in connecting to the Chicano and Native American voter and where this voter understands the background dynamics.

Thus, my postings at our component called "cactus juice-commentary" at www.chicanoveterans.org is continuing and if you visit, you will find that we take the political view of an "aggressive" moderate.  Take for example, our posting on "Indigenous Immigration:  Civility, Courtesy, and Compassion" is a good exemplar since we see immigration and the attendant solutions in the context of economic development. Additionally, we see Bush's "problem" with Chavez of Venezuela as one of Bush attempting to set the stage for "privatizing" the oil industries of Venezuela, Columbia, and Mexico.  And America's-based oil industry has been attempting this overriding effort for decades and Bush and Rumsfeld are their political proxies.

In summary, we like our poltiics as a contact sport, and as a final jab at Bush and Judge Roberts, we don't trust our civil rights and human rights to an "appointee" who has never waged a political campaign, worn out two pairs of shoe leather while knocking on thousands and thousands of doors, and seeking out campaign dollars to continue the candidate's enlightened self-interest in American politics.

And finally, I return to Mydd on a regular basis to see and read postings focused the political processes of campaigns being waged all across the Democratic Party and country.  Consequently, keep up the good work.  

Respectfully submitted.

Jim Gonzales
Phoenix, Arizona

by Jaango on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 12:54:43 AM EST

Raw Passion (none / 0)

Just don't take this "benefit of the doubt" too far.  The reason I love and read the blogs, and especially the comments, is for the RAW PASSION you see exhibited.  I'm sure it's the reason many people are attracted to them.  It's from this passion that the really good ideas emerge.  

It reminds me of the pamphlets written leading up to the Revolutionary war.  Or even the 95 Theses of Martin Luther.  He nailed his soul to that church door.  And that is essentially what the bloggers and their commenters are doing, posting their very deepest held beliefs for the world to see.  It's not always pretty, it's not always polite, but it's always GREAT!  

It has had an effect on me.  I have seen my deepest held beliefs that I couldn't seem to put into words posted on these blogs.  Now, when I engage a right-winger, I skewer them.  I use their own logic against them and show them the fallicy of their stance.  It doesn't change their minds immediately and most times not at all, however I have had some say things like, "I'll have to think about that."  That's a start.  And I get this ammunition because I'm informed and I have ideas from some of the most passionate liberals at my fingertips.  Let's don't lose that just for the sake of being nice.

And that's all I have to say about that.

by ConcernedAZCitizen on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 02:04:20 AM EST

Aren't blogs just a venue (3.00 / 0)

for refining our position?  Don't we do that by challenging every misstep so that we think more clearly?  A political blog will never really convert someone who isn't ready for it; that isn't its purpose.

Persuasion is a different art.  I am a Quaker from the Deep South and my husband works with people in the Department of Defense.  My views are different from almost everyone I have known, but I've persuaded most that I have gotten to know to agree with almost everything I believe.  That sort of persuasion wouldn't fit in a blog entry.  It's time intensive and requires listening closely, establishing trust, agreeing as much as possible, using charm and humor.  It requires NOT making enemies.  It requires letting people seem to come to the conclusion themselves.  It requires TIME.  It's the retail side of politics.  We need an army of retailers.  But you all are the wholesalers, the bundlers of ideas into a marketable commodity.  Reading what you write helps be to be able to persuade.  
Don't worry too much about being tough on each other.  I like good manners, but I like good ideas better.  

by prince myshkin on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 04:53:21 AM EST

hilarious (3.00 / 1)

chris, you guys are such a self-caricature.  was this what you were thinking when you purged the site two weeks ago?
by TimRusso on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 09:05:06 AM EST

Re: hilarious (none / 0)

proof is in the pudding...
I am going to take a wait and see approach.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 09:47:31 AM EST
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Re: doesnt surprise me (none / 0)

the whole "civility" thing is fake. People have NEVER disagreed well. Go back and check out the 1800 campaign between Jefferson & Adams. The "civil" campaign is as fake as the "nuclear family". The whole reason there are parliamentary procedures, courts and elections is because people tend to be uncivil. We impose these strictures on ourselves to reduce the bloodshed.

BTW, there have been fights in the Senate in the past.

The right realizes all this, while playing lip service to civility. The ONLY way to save our country is to step to them, and to anybody who is willing to capitulate to the ongoing theocratic and corporate takeover of our country. That goes for WITHIN our party as well.

I'd love to take on that wackjob Zell in a duel, believe me.

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 09:48:19 AM EST


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