American Politics XX

Oh, what a day, what a day.

PoliticsPA, on Friday (emphasis mine):

Schrader conducted a conference call Monday night with campaign supporters and was quizzed on several important issues, but she was clearly not as prepared as she needs to be, according numerous sources on the call.
PoliticsPA, on Monday (emphasis mine):
PoliticsPA last week posted a critical review of a conference call involving Ginny Schrader. We were unable to gain confirmation from a second source and have removed the entry.
I want to highlight this first, because it shows quite clearly that back on Friday PoliticsPA was lying. Had I not bothered to point out that they were lying, they would never have bothered to post their "retraction." Further, no one would have ever known they were lying or not, since the call was private, and they were not invited.

I also wish to point out the following about PoliticsXX (emphasis mine):
Democratic politicos are mesmerized by the Web site PoliticsNH.com. When I met with New Hampshire state representative Ray Buckley, who worked for former vice-president Al Gore four years ago, he received a phone call alerting him to an item on the site that characterized the state Democratic Party with a down arrow.

Asked who was behind it, Buckley scratched his head. Nobody really knows, he said. Click on " About Us " on the home page of the site, and you get this: " Our editor is Josiah Bartlett, a pseudonym for the people who are working on this site. We have chosen to remain anonymous, much like James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay when they wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym Publius. " [in PA its another pseudonym: Sy Snyder](...)

A check through the Networks Solutions search site reveals that PoliticsNH is registered to NameSecure.com. Wally Edge is listed as the site's " administrative contact. " Edge did not return a call from the Phoenix. On the PoliticsNJ site, though, the " About Us " link says, " PoliticsNJ.com is operated by The Publius Group and our editor is Wally Edge, a pseudonym for the people who are working on this site. "

Last February, Roll Call columnist Stuart Rothenberg did a piece on anonymous political Web sites. When he called the Publius Group, Lieberman called him back but wouldn't provide additional details on who was backing the venture. Rather than identifying himself as the president of the Publius Group, as he's now listed on PoliticsNH.com, Lieberman told Rothenberg that he handled marketing for the company.

I have done some research into the Publius Group, about which, admittedly, much is difficult to find. However, I did find the following, which I wrote yesterday:
The Claremont Institute is undeniably part of the Republican Noise Machine. First, look at this post, and then look at who funds the Claremont Institute. And the connection between Publius and the Claremont Institute isn't hard to find either, since the Claremont Institute has a webpage featuring their Publius fellow program. Coincidentally, I'm sure, that program was started in 2000, the same year the Publius Group was founded
Let's recap:
  • They were caught in a lie, concerning a call they were not even invited to be on.
  • They are completely anonymous.
  • They refuse to provide more information about who runs them.
  • The Claremont Institute, part of the Republican Noise Machine, started a Publius Fellow program at the same time that the Publius Group was founded.
Color me extremely dubious--that is about four red flags too many for me to ever want to deal with them again. There is simply no way to trust this website. As someone who recently started on a project to help strengthen and better organize the local Philadelphia progressive netroots (and to do so in every location throughout the country), I have urged all local progressive bloggers to pull their links to PoliticsPA. Why are we using and supporting sites like this when we can build our own?

Now, in the spirit of their "retraction," I suppose it is possible that a lying, sneaking, anonymous shadow group that has set up websites around the country (more on that below) is simply being caught in the middle of a coincidental timeline concerning the Claremont Institute, which is undeniably a branch of the Republican Noise Machine. They could, of course, clarify this by telling us who they were, but they will never do that. Further, I am pretty certain that many of their writers are in fact Democrats, but I don't really care. Even if some of their people were Democrats, and even if they are critical of Republicans sometimes, that does not free them from being part of the Republican Noise Machine. Tim Roemer was still part of the Republican Noise Machine because he worked for the Mercatus Center. Alan Colmes of Hannity and Colmes is still part of the Republican Noise Machine, even though he is ostensibly a Democrat. Being a Democrat does not mean you cannot be part of the Republican Noise Machine by any means. However, the types of Democrats who would take funding from the Republican Noise Machine are the absolute worst types of unreformed Democrats: non-partisan Democrats, Democrats who fail to realize what we are up against, Democrats who are mostly protective of their own power and "insider" Democrats who hold nothing but disdain for the grassroots, the netroots, and the rank and file.

That, I believe, is really what is going on here. What Harrisburg is to Pennsylvania, D.C. is to the nation. On a smaller scale, we have our own bubble, our own chattering classes, our own struggles over power for the sake of power (rather than ideas or people). I'm sure every other state has the same. It is no secret that many Republicans and Democrats in D.C. hate our guts (and for many in the netroots, the feeling is obviously mutual). It is the same thing here in Pennsylvania. When they don't hate us, they do sometimes see dollar signs, and feel that the only thing the blogs and the netroots are good for is money and a punchline at a cocktail party. We are outside, they are inside. It's just a variation on that old joke about an incoming Democratic congressman in the late fifties:

Freshman Dem Representative (talking to old Democratic Rep): Was that a Republican that just passed by?

Old Dem Rep: Why? Do you want to meet him?

Freshman Dem Rep: Yeah. I want to know the face of the enemy.

Old Dem Rep (shakes head, takes hold of freshman's arm): No no no no. The Republicans are the opposition, not the enemy. The Senate--that's the enemy.

Now, for many insider Democrats (and Republicans, I'm sure), the culprit in the punchline could simply be changed from "Senate" to "grassroots."

We are living in an era of rising grassroots power. This is clearly a threat to insiders. Ginny Schrader certainly has not locked up the netroots endorsement for PA-08, but her support last year on Blogosphere Day took the power of the decision as to who would replace Greenwood out of the hands of the insiders. Already in that sense, she is a threat to the power of the Democratic insider elite. Last Wednesday, five local Democrats who are challenging Republicans for Republican-held suburban congressional seats met a group of 200 or so local netroots and grassroots activists, and through the blogs it received more national coverage than any other political rally in Pennsylvania this year. That also takes power away from insiders.

And so we have PoliticsPA, PoliticsNH, PoliticsNJ, or whatever. They say they will criticize candidates of both parties. They say they will criticize bad candidates. What they are really criticizing are the grassroots, the netroots, and the other outsiders who are now a rising threat to their power. Anyone who attempts to criticize, circumvent, or otherwise challenge their power will face their wrath. Here in Philly, combined the local progressive blogs now have a higher readership than any local newspaper, including the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News. Even more so, we have by far a more politically active readership than any news outlet in the state. Even worse, we are now holding meetings directly with local candidates, and not inviting the insiders. Of course they are going to try to find a way onto a conference call they weren't invited to, and then lie about it to all of their friends at a Harrisburg cocktail party.

Whatever or whoever is funding the Publius Group, I have no doubt that it is in some way a joint effort of Unreformed Democrats and the Republican Noise Machine to try and stop the rising power of the grassroots and netroots progressive outsiders. Unreformed Democrats don't see the Republican Noise Machine as the problem--they see us as the problem, just like Republican see us as the problem. They have the same motivation--to maintain their own power. I've stopped noticing when people say they don't want to talk with bloggers because they are crazy. I've stopping noticing when people say they don't want to schedule bloggers in interviews or as speakers because they are devisive. I've stopped noticing when people refuse to even meet bloggers because they would rather have some sort of violent physical ailment that even look at our faces. This just happens so often I don't even notice it anymore. In fact, I have almost come to the point when I assume insiders will act this way.

Of course, there are a lot of Democrats who are also willing to listen to us, to work with us, and to help us, even though we are not always as receptive to these people as we should be. We need to work with these people, and be open to them. We are working with some of them right now. Everyone else, well, we will go both around and through them. No one is so powerful that they can't be brought down or replaced. Their time is ending, and our time is now.

Which brings me back to my basic point. I don't care if PoliticsPA and the Publius Group say from now on, and neither should the local progressive blogosphere. We can build our own sites like this. In fact, we are in the midst of doing so as we speak. If our alternative progressive media works with institutions like this rather than building our own alternatives, we will never achieve the sort of independent media that conservatives have used as a means to shift the national political discourse to the right. And it's not just what they did to Ginny Schrader either. They did the same thing to Joe Hoeffel repeatedly in 2004, and would probably do so to Paul Hackett or any other blog-supported candidate if s/he were from PA. I could sit here all day and pick apart their coverage of local politics as a means to change it, but I am not a Thune blogger receiving $35K in order to fulfill such a task. I am not a one-man Media Matters for Pennsylvania, and local grassroots and netroots just don't have the resources to do something like that full-time anyway. For that reason, I think our only option is to abandon it and build our own alternative. Seriously--no one in the local netroots and grassroots should touch PoliticsPA with a ten-foot pole, considering the red flags they raise. Conservative politicians go on conservative media all the time, and that is the same way we need to connect to progressive politicians, rather than insider intermediaries like PoliticsPA.

And it's not just PoliticsPA either--it's all the PoliticsXX state sites. From the research line that started with our original discovery about PoliticsPA, we now know all of the following:

  • Every state is registered for politics(state abbreviation).com.
  • 41 states are registered to the Wally Edge/NJ registrant.
  • PoliticsFL.com and PoliticsOH.com are registered to: Ideas, Inc. JonKurpis@ideas-inc.com, 545 Rt 17 S, Ridgewood, NJ 07150.
  • PoliticsIA.com is registered to GOPMarketplace.com
  • PoliticsNC.com is registered to Old North State Strategies in NC and the email address is from RoadRunner Holding Company in Herndon VA. (RR.com could just be an email provider.)
  • PoliticsOK.com is held by Sajeev Sen, jeevsen@cox.net in Oklahoma
  • PoliticsAR.com is held by the Arkansas Legislative Digest in Little Rock
  • PoliticsDC.com is held by Anthony Olzewski, aolsz@bellatlantic.net, with companies listed as Computercraft and the Geltby Association in NJ.
  • PoliticsWV.com is held by Jeremy Maynard, wvpolitics@hotmail.com
  • PoliticsVA.com is held by LeeGoodman@aol.com in Virginia
  • PoliticsLA.com is held by LiquidPolitics.com in DC.
We need to check all of these out, and I have started doing just that. The client list for Liquid Politics makes it clear they are a Republican firm. The North Carolina firm is D, I believe. This fits with my what I suspect--it's all career political consultants and/or journalistic insiders writing for these websites. Of course, if I were an "insider," I would ahve already known this. The political class of these states already knows who writes for these anonymous sites--the anonymity is only for those on the outside.

Everyone in the progressive netroots, everywhere in the country, needs to stay away from PoliticsXX sites. If you link them, stop. If you read them, stop. If you know people who link and read them, tell them they should stop, and tell them why. Republicans dominate local blogospheres, and our unwitting progressive netroots participation in sites like PolitcsXX is part of the reason why. It is, at long last, time that we build our own local blogospheres. Fortunately, I can say that is a project that is finally underway. Let the power hungry insiders play by themselves--we will talk with those interested in reform. When the power hungry insiders are finally willing to be open and transparent, then we can talk with them, and do so within our own forums and institutions. So, until that day...


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Under construction (none / 0)

Chris, both 'PoliticsIL.com' and 'PoliticsWI.com' have been registered and are 'under construction'.  FYI
by weinerdog43 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:38:01 PM EST

Nice Work Chris (none / 0)

Important stuff, even if it is only a minor chink of the RNM that has been exposed. Every bit gets us a little closer.
by Pounder on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:39:49 PM EST

Jordan Lieberman (none / 0)

Just an FYI:
A Republican operative is one of the financial backers for The Publius Group, the parent company of the PoliticsNY.com Web site. PoliticsNY.com is an anonymously written site that has sparked much speculation in political circles about the identity of its authors.

According to corporate filings in Delaware, Jordan Lieberman, former campaign manager for David Cornstein's short-lived campaign for state comptroller, is listed as the sole director or corporate officer of The Publius Group. The papers were filed Aug. 3, 2000, and listed Mr. Lieberman's parents' home in New Jersey as the company's address.

Mr. Lieberman, 26, who now lives in Washington, D.C., is also listed as the marketing director of a sister site, PoliticsNJ.com.

Crain's New York Business, April 1, 2002, Monday, Pg. 10


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:44:01 PM EST

never mind (none / 0)

I see it now on your other post, sorry...
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:45:12 PM EST
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Politics1.com (3.00 / 2)

Definitely spare politics1.com from any association with the Republican Noise Machine.

Even though its name is somewhat similar to PoliticsXX, the site is a credible source for the latest in elections and provides links to tons of candidates.  Plus it's got a lot of amusing 3rd party info too.

The guy that runs it is a Dean supporter.

by vault5151 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:28:58 AM EST

PoliticsOK.com (none / 0)

It links to pleaseaskjeeves.com which appears to be a random collection of stuff.

There are a grand total of four articles and one poll.  One is about Wal-Mart, one is an antecdote about being a Democrat, one is about squirting shampoo in your own face, and one is some PR stuff about a band.

There are also some links to news wire stories, movies reviews, and Chrsitian Science Monitor stories.  So... while this is probably not a vital part of the Republican Noise Machine, it has precious little to do with politics in OKlahoma.

Just thought ya'd like ta know.

McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:43:12 AM EST

politicsny.com (none / 0)

These are the same crew but the haven't posted anything in a long time.  

And we at Democracy in Albany (2 of us right now) plan to cover the 2006 races in NY once we are done with the Albany 2005 races.  

by democracyinalbany on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:51:25 AM EST

Sounds (none / 0)

like Murphy people to me. Why the shout-out to Murphy?
Booman Tribune.
by BooMan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 01:07:40 AM EST

Re: Sounds (none / 0)

Why?  There's no evidence.  And given his early fundraising advantage, he's the frontrunner right now.
by Adam B on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:36:37 AM EST
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Evidence is lacking (3.00 / 2)

You caught PoliticsPA in a lie, and they admitted it and retracted it. They didn't offer a "retraction" (scare quotes yours) but actually retracted it and did it publicly.  When a news organ -- right wing or not -- does that they deserve credit, not abuse.

Also, the only evidence you still have tying Claremont Institute to PoliticsPA is that each has a relationship to something called "Publius" that began in 2000.  Here's your evidence:

The Claremont Institute, part of the Republican Noise Machine, started a Publius Fellow program at the same time that the Publius Group was founded.

However, I found two other organizations that began using the name Publius in 2000:

  • The James City County Democrats of Virginia started a web publication called Publius in March 2000.  By the standards of your argument against PoliticsXX, the James City County Democrats are an offshoot of the Claremont Institute.
  • In 2000 AT&T launched a web publishing platform named Publius that allowed for anonymous posting to the web.  By the standards of your argument against PoliticsXX, AT&T and its failed publishing tool are offshoots of the Claremont Institute.

Now you have a conservative think tank, a network of political news sites, a local Democratic organization and a major corporation all in a conspiracy together.  All because in 2000 they each named something "Publius" for the first time.

You were right about the mistake/error/lie that they reported on Friday.  But to keep repeating this Claremont Institute/PoliticsPA connection serves only to discredit the rest of your argument.

by nathan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 01:41:21 AM EST

Re: Evidence is lacking (none / 0)

The retraction, and the snarky comment denying that they
are VRWC, is exactly what you would expect from what
Publius Group claim to be -- Brian Lamb "just the facts"
types who are more or less neutral between the parties*.
Like Nathan, I remain unconvinced that they are other than
that though it's worthwhile to be suspicious.

To give Chris credit, the other "argument" in his case against
Publius is that they are going to some trouble to conceal who
they are.  My best guess is that this is what convinces Chris,
in spite of the lack of other evidence.   There is a VRWC, and
its methodology includes sockpuppets.  There are also,
apparently, traditional pols in both parties who don't like the
blogosphere.

But assuming that all such negative elements are linked in
a single Master Plan can lead to mistakes, I think.  Developing
a worthy progressive alternative to the PoliticsXX sites would
not be such a mistake, but boycotting the PoliticsXX sites
before we have that might be.

*When one of the two parties is largely in the grip of a
criminal conspiracy, it's true, being "neutral between the
parties" is not exactly being "neutral".

by DaveMB on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:13:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Non correction correction (none / 0)

That was not a proper correction, just a snarky comment. I think Bowers makes a persuasive case.
by Alice Marshall on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:32:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Reality Based Community (none / 0)

They admitted the mistake, and pulled the information.  Retractions are not determined by the tone, but by the action.  In this case they admitted and error and pulled the bad information.

The tenor of the snark doesn't reduce the fact that they retracted their original report, indicating that it is a retraction.

Look, I have no problem with Chris or anyone else thinking that PoliticsXX is a pain in the ass, a sloppy media outlet, leans to the right, hates the net- and grass-roots, etc.  I've had my own issues with Wally Edge in New Jersey and so I can understand a level of frustration.

But when you expand that argument with weak or even non-existent evidence and conjecture to claim that there is some vast conspiracy, you weaken your initial argument.

Boycott PoliticsPA because they are not a friendly media outlet.  Set up ProgressivePA.com to be a more reliable counter to PoliticsPA.com.  Encourage Dems and progressives to use your site and not PoliticsPA.  Send letters to the editor about PPA's innacurate reporting.  Set up a factchecking campaign against PoliticsPA.  Go all out to either compete or beat them.  If you want, I'll even help.

That's fine.  But my issue with this whole thread of posts is that it is treating conjecture and belief as fact.  That's what the right wingers do, and we are supposed to be better than them.

In the last post Chris challenged me to "try harder" and so I did.  The fact is that there are plenty of organizations that used the name Publius for the first time in 2000 and that this fact doesn't even approximate evidence of a connection.

Anonymity is a flag, though on our side we have Atrios and many others who have maintained anonymity for whatever reason.  Sloppy reporting is a flag, though it is by no means limited to PoliticsPA.

by nathan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:05:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Reality Based Community (none / 0)

"They admitted the mistake, and pulled the information. Retractions are not determined by the tone, but by the action. In this case they admitted and error and pulled the bad information.

The tenor of the snark doesn't reduce the fact that they retracted their original report, indicating that it is a retraction."

That's funny, I seem to have done the same thing, only you don't like the tenor of my retraction.

by Chris Bowers on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:28:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Reality Based Community (none / 0)

What did you retract?
by nathan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:50:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Reality Based Community (none / 0)

Chris -

I'm serious.  I may be missing something, but I did not see a retraction.  If you did and I am being dense -- something I often am -- please point to it so I can figure out whether I am wrong.

I was also serious about your e-mailing me at nathanrudy [at] comcast.net to talk about my experience with the blogosphere and grassroots.  I couldn't find an e-mail address for you in your profile so could not e-mail you.

Nathan

by nathan on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 10:21:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Non correction correction (3.00 / 1)

Re-read what they said originally an contrast it with the correction. Originally they said "according numerous sources on the call" and they retracted it based on being "unable to gain confirmation from a second source".

"numerous" was a flat out lie by their own admission. Retraction is neutral, it neither confirms nor denies the underlying truth of the story. A correction is an admission that you were wrong, and is generally accompanied by an apology to the reader.

Simply taking down a story with no apology after you get caught lying and expecting that to be taken as fully responsive is kind of lowering the bar for journalistic integrity.

by Bruce Webb on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Posted on SoapBlox Chicago (none / 0)

PoliticsIL.com is registered to Wally Edge as well.

Good work Chris and everyone else who researched this! We need to head this type of thing off before these sites become blogosphere staples in local communities, doing to the blogosphere what the Right did to cable news and turn it into a propagand outlet for the Right.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:06:22 AM EST

Building a site on the cheap (none / 0)

You don't need to build a site, you can just get together with other local bloggers and set up your own blogdigger RSS group.
by Alice Marshall on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:34:19 AM EST

James Pindell Bio of PoliticsNH.com (3.00 / 1)

As someone who once used the PoliticsXX sites (especially PoliticsPA since I'm running a canidate in PA) I've been following this pretty closely.

I crawled into bed about an hour ago nesting my just-arrived copy of Campaign & Elections Magazine (August 2005).  Imagine my surprise to see James Pindell, Editor of PoliticsNH.com (according to C&E), featured in their monthly "movers and shakers" section.

Usually there are two movers and shakers: one from the left and one from the right.  The section appears on a two-page spread with the left faced page for lefties and the right for righties.  This month there are four and James Pindell appears on the first page, a left-faced page.  The bio to his right is Justin Sayfie and is clearly a righty.

There's nothing on the interview page that would seem to point him out to be part of the RNM.  Some highlights:

  • James Pindell "previously covered the Iowa caucuses for the Des Moines Register. He also has written for the Boston Globe, Indianapolis Star and the Morgantown (W.Va.) Dominion Post."  "...he is a graduate of Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism."

  • "What role does your web site play in politics in your state? 'We serve as the only one-stop shop for information on New Hampshire elections from mayor to president.  Along with our originally reported stories, we provide dozens of news links, press releases and a calendar of events.  I am also a regular guest on many radio stations and television programs in the state and nationally.'"

  • "Immediate Career Goals, 'Get the scoop on when Hillary Clinton decides to run for president.'"

  • "Predictions, 'In 2008, John Kerry won't run for president, but Al Gore will.'"

Overall, it's a pretty non-partisan interview and of all the political figures he mentions, none are Republicans though the mention of Democratic ones can be read as neutral.  Personally, I draw no conclusions from the interview as to PoliticsNH.com's possible link to the RNM.

Bellow is a link to the article online.  You'll need a subscription to C&E to read it:

http://www.campaignline.com/printedition/page.cfm?pageid=690&navid=50

by Navot on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:52:52 AM EST

Nice work (none / 0)

I still think Schrader's campaign is a wreck with no hope of success, but nice work on this.
by Politicalhack06 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:31:24 AM EST

Wes Clark - Part of the Republican Noise Machine (1.50 / 2)

After all, he works for Fox News.  Are you willing to take your definition to its logical conclusion, Chris?
Bleeding Heartland - Iowa's Progressive Community-oriented blog
by ItsDrewMiller on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 07:44:53 AM EST

Re: Wes Clark - Part of the Republican Noise (3.00 / 1)

i'm getting real tired of faux poaching people to work with their crew. i don't trust it much either. has anyone else noticed that cnn and msnbc advertise the fox news channel during commercials? its like a conspiracy i swear. why are they advertising their competitors?
by Commander in Chimp on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 08:23:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you out of your fucking mind? (none / 0)

Clark is on Fox giving us credibility on National securty and defending our party while giving rational criticism of theirs.

The guy does more for this party in one appearance than you do in a year.

by alexm on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:10:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you out of your fucking mind? (none / 0)

Hey buddy, it's not my definition, it's Bowers'.  Wes Clark works for Fox News which is part of the RNM.  According to this post, that makes him just as culpable as anyone else.  I don't know if you troll-rated it, but whoever did you ought to read the post before reading the comments.
Bleeding Heartland - Iowa's Progressive Community-oriented blog
by ItsDrewMiller on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 07:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's a Challenge (none / 0)

Chris -- Your argument has shifted from the idea that PoliticsXX is part of the Republican Noise Machine to the idea that it is political insiders trying to hold on to their power and fighting the netroots.

I maintain that this is a business model paid for by advertisements by a poltical insider who calls himself Wally Edge to protect his political businesses and that's why he stays anonymous.  From personal experience I know he encourages local, grassroots people to write for his sites.  This gives him content -- for free since he doesn't pay most of us -- and people to promote his sites so that he can make money off the ads.

Let's see who is right.  If these are truly insiders who hate the netroots there is no way they'll give you a column since you are such a big part of the movement.  If they are just a business who likes to coopt people who can generate traffic for their ads, they would give you a column.

So write to PoliticsPA and ask for a weekly column to write on any topic you want.  Ask if Ginny Schraeder can have a column on the site.  If PoliticsPA turns you down, then you can say it is because they are insiders who hate the netroots.

But if they offer you space for your views at no cost then they have no fear of you or the netroots.  They just want free content, as would most online media outlets.

Treat this like a Reality Based Experiment.  Otherwise this is all just conjecture and supposition.

I already know that they let me, an extremely liberal person if you read those columns I wrote, have carte blanche on the site including root access to the server.  So I have personal experience with this.  Let's see how you do.

by nathan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:16:46 PM EST

Re: Here's a Challenge (none / 0)

Hell, they let Daren Berringer have a column on the PoliticsPA site, and he works for Joe Trippi (and was Dean's chief for Michigan).
by Adam B on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm with Nathan (none / 0)

I'm more familiar with Politicsnj, the sister site and I believe the original site established by Publius.  It has been around before mydd, dailykos, or the other "netroots" blogs existed.  It provides commentary from both sides, and plenty of political gossip.  Our very own nathan rudy had a column with them for a while.  I check it almost every day for the political news in my state, and have based two of my diary entries at ourcongress.org based on news that I first picked up at politicsnj.

PoliticsPa wrote an article Chris didn't like, and now he is making highly questionable connections between it and a conservative group that happens to use the name "Publius," a moniker which several political commentators like to adopt because of its history.

Just calm down, and chill out.  PoliticsNJ and its sister sites provide interesting news and a variety of commentary.  The left wing "netroots" should not become an echo chamber where we just talk about how great we all are, and only involve ourselves with internet outlets that reflect our political viewpoint.  All you are doing by boycotting PoliticsPA is ignoring what other people are saying, who may very well have a perspective and insight that will help if you listen to it.  Yes, they screwed up and they got called on it.  That doesn't mean that they are a right wing think tank bent on your destruction.

by JPhurst on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:02:24 PM EST

Funny... (none / 0)

After your call yesterday to stop supporting PoliticsPA I shot over there to ask them to remove my blog (http://commentsfromleftfield.com/) from their blogroll only to find they had done so themselves. I was on the roll for nearly a year but apparently someone decided to pull the linke without telling me. I guess that I should be happy since it is one less email I needed to write.
Comments From Left Field
by Goose3five on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:26:48 PM EST

Unmasking Publius (none / 0)

I agree that many of the connections that have been drawn are, at best, tenuous. At the moment, the Publius Group appears to operate just a handful of sites, with several others now defunct.

Who are these guys? Well, I did a search on the address listed in Hoboken. It used to be home to a MailBoxes Etc, and I presume that a mailbox service is still operating in the same location. In an amazing coincidence, there is another publication covering New Jersey politics that uses a mailbox in the same storefront: Politifax New Jersey. It lists its address as PMB 101, and the Publius Group is at PMB 361. (Hoboken, for the record, is not the most convenient place from which to cover NJ politics.) Hmmm...
(More on Politifax here: http://www.cpanj.com/capitalreportpages/politifax.htm)

Curiously, the editor of Politifax gives a self-mocking blurb to the PoliticsNJ, the Publius site:
"Like any self-respecting hooker, I resent people who give it away." -Nicholas Acocella, Politifax New Jersey
It's the last blurb, and contrasts sharply with the sometimes fawning praise that precedes it. Looks somewhat like an inside joke.
(See the quote here: http://politicsnj.com/Media_Kit.htm)

This is admittedly fairly thin. Plenty of other businesses use the same address, including a recent Hoboken mayoral campaign. It could easily be the case that Acocella is a friend of a staffer at PoliticsNJ, and gave them the quote as a joke. But Acocella, who also writes books on baseball, is the sort of longtime insider one might expect to be involved in this sort of venture.

Jordan Lieberman worked for the state assembly campaign of Martin Davidoff in East Brunswick, NJ; the congressional campaign of Joel Weingarten in Millburn, NJ; and the New York Comptroller campaign of David Cornstein. He appears to be a former Coro Fellow and a graduate of UPenn. He's a young guy, and in this article (
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/pdfarchive/2001/February/11/2-11-01%20F2.pdf) claims to be the front man. I'm actually somewhat inclined to believe that. And, of course, he has no apparent ties to Hoboken. The timing of the site's launch makes it doubtful that Lieberman was behind it. It claims to have begun in February 2000, while Lieberman was managing the Weingarten campaign (and, one article says, following that with a cross-country road trip). Lay aside the obvious conflict of interest - anyone who's ever worked on a campaign knows it's not possible to start up a new business with your spare time.

I'm not the first to have wandered down this road. From a 2002 article speculating who might be behind PoliticsNJ:
Nick Acocella, editor and publisher of Politifax, the $219-a-year newsletter that uses same Mailboxes Etc. address as politicsnj.com.
Denial: ``The throw-away line I gave when people first started asking was, 'Like any self-respecting hooker, I resent people who give it away.'''
(http://www.cpfools.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-469.html)

Now, if you had a reliable base of subscribers for a weekly newsletter, would you announce to the world that you were going to start publishing insider gossip on a free online site?

Here's what I think: In 2000, Nicholas Acocella decided to get in on the internet craze by going fully digital. He hedged his bets, staying anonymous to protect his reliable income from Politifax, and so that he could be nasty without burning potential sources. But PolitcsNJ was a smash hit. So he started another site in NH, to capitalize on primary fever, and built it on the same anonymous model. That was also a success. Somewhere along the way, he hired Justin Lieberman, a bright young man he'd met on a local campaign, to front for the growing enterprise and to help manage it. (PoliticsNJ, the first of the PoliticsXX sites, must have been started by a NJ insider - who better than a writer who made a living publishing gossipy accounts of state politics?).

If I'm right, there's no cycnical conservative conspiracy, just some hard-hustling political insiders looking to scrape together a few bucks. I'd love to hear from folks in NJ, particularly anyone who actually knows Acocello, whether any of this sounds plausible to them. It's all speculation - but it's informed speculation, and sometimes, that makes a difference.

by FlyOnTheWall on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:25:25 PM EST

Re: Unmasking Publius (none / 0)

Poltifax and Publius are not from the same venue.  If Nick had wanted to get in on the Internet he would have done it as Poltifax which was a very good brand name for him.

Also, PoliticsNJ for a while had a competing service to Politifax which failed.  

Last, when Wally goes on vacation Nick still publishes, and vice versa.

These two are in competition, not collusion.

I agree, however, that the PoliticsXX empire is a hustle for a few bucks by politicos. That's why they want to stay anonymous -- so they can keep their poltico positions.

by nathan on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:49:48 PM EST
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Libel (none / 0)

Chris, has Schrader considered a libel suit?  I'm not sure about its ultimate success (could be very difficult to prove, from a legal standpoint, that the statement is a falsehood).  But it could have enough oomph to get to a stage in which interrogatories would have to be answered - something that could get to the heart of the mysterious foundation of the Web site.
by looking italian on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 05:31:14 PM EST

Re: American Politics XX (none / 0)


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