YDA National Elections: Gallaway Wins

From the diaries--Chris

Yesterday, the Young Democrats National Convention selected its leadership team for the next two years, and the incumbent, Chris Gallaway, prevailed, along with his entire slate save for Secretary.

This was my first time ever attending a national meeting of the YDA, and it was probably among the most riveting floor votes in the organization's history. The contest for president was between Gallaway and the former president of the California Young Dems, a young Filipino from L.A. named Alex De Ocampo. At least at the top of their tickets, both sides seem to regard themselves as the champions of reform in the YDA, and to regard their respective opponents as the "business as usual" crowd. For those of us who believe that reform is critical at this particular historical moment - not just in the YDA but also in the Democratic Party at large - choosing between two factions competing over the reform message is a pretty healthy predicament. Now it's the burden of the victor to demonstrate that his message has real force of will behind it.

Though Gallaway's margin of victory was pretty decisive, from the way things looked on the floor of the general session, the YDA is and may yet continue to be split into two camps. De Ocampo's ticket was known as the "Unity" slate, and though Unity proved in the end to be in the minority among the voting delegates, their blue t-shirts and stickers were ubiquitous throughout the convention. Entire state delegations were lined up as voting blocs between one and the other ticket, and the feeling was less of an election between two sets of personalities as between two competing visions of YDA's future. The problem was that it was unclear exactly what either vision was or how they differed; there was just the feeling that something big and vague was at stake.

Though I don't doubt for a second that the incumbent's ticket is serious about leading the YDA in a new direction, the feeling of a real grassroots insurgency among the supporters of the Unity ticket was palpable at the convention. Whatever one might think of the leadership of the Unity faction, they've tapped into a real and visceral desire for change among the rank-and-file. A climactic expression of that sentiment came during the election of YDA Secretary, after Gallaway's ticket had swept every race that preceded it.

I'm still unclear about exactly what transpired during the vote count for Secretary, so if there are inaccuracies here and someone who was present is reading this, please correct me. What I gather happened was this:

In a lot of cases, delegation chairs were tallying up the votes of their delegates right there on the floor of the general session where the elections were taking place. After the delegate chair had an accurate count, he or she would wait until his or her state was called up to the front of the session and then would report the tally just taken. Often, this was happening simultaneously: as vote numbers were being reported officially at the front of the room, they were also being tallied up by state delegation chairs that hadn't yet been called to the microphone.

Convention rules state that the doors to the general session must be closed during vote counts, and opened back up in between. That means you can leave the floor during a vote count but you can't get back in. Thus, delegates who had left the floor to go to the bathroom or get a drink or make a phone call from the relative quiet of the lobby found themselves blocked from coming back inside while their states' votes were being tallied up, since this was being done at the same time as the official vote count. In effect, the rules were preventing them from voting.

Another thing that was happening was that delegates who were able to cast their votes in the tally but then had to leave to use the bathroom (I was among this crowd) had their votes counted and reported, but if their delegation were then challenged to produce a delegate for each vote that it claimed, which is any delegate's prerogative under Robert's Rules of Order, it would fall short because delegates who had voted but then left the room and been temporarily locked out obviously couldn't show themselves in front of the convention to prove that their votes were legitimate.

That's exactly what happened to the New York delegation during the election for Secretary. New York gave its votes to Rob Dolin from Seattle, the Unity candidate, and was then challenged by one of the states supporting the Gallaway ticket to prove the legitimacy of its vote tally by producing all of its delegates. As the challenger no doubt was aware, that was impossible because some of the New York delegates who had voted had since become locked out of the general session. But New York wasn't the only delegation in that predicament, and Unity supporters knew it. So fire was fought with fire, and Unity supporters started challenging delegations supporting the Gallaway ticket to produce all of their delegates, and pretty soon there was a massive battle on the floor, with entire delegations standing on their chairs chanting, "Count every vote!" at each other.

During this time I was locked out in the hallway with probably fifty other people and who knows how many others who were wandering around elsewhere on the premises. The locked-out delegates were crowding the doorway, which was open to let a draft into the general session (you could barely breathe in there with the doors closed) but with people blocking the entrance.

This was all conducted legitimately according to pre-arranged rules of the convention - I don't believe that there was any conspiracy behind it - but the spectacle of voting delegates being physically blockaded from entering the floor where votes were being cast was pretty disturbing, and I don't think that was lost on anybody present, including those who were holding the doors. An African-American woman, I believe from the New York delegation, wasn't mincing words about what was going on, which she likened to Republican voter suppression tactics in 2004. Others tended to agree, and as far as I could tell they belonged to both the Gallaway and the Unity side. The tumult on the outside was echoed and amplified on the inside, where the "Count every vote!" chants were being accompanied now by "Let the delegates in!" and "Open the doors!" But rules are rules.

With the vote counts all reported and adjusted to account for successful challenges, Dolin had won the majority of the votes that were cast, but not the majority of total votes in the convention. The difference between the two numbers, of course, was the group of delegates locked out of the session and whose delegations' counts had been challenged. The rules prevented Dolin from taking his seat as Secretary without the majority he needed. With all the acrimony that had been built up in the room over the challenges, the pot was ready to boil over.

A motion was then made to declare Dolin the winner by acclamation, which may have opened up a whole new brawl if not for the fact that Dolin's opponent for the position, Flora Brooke Hesse from Georgia, made the most (perhaps the only) dignified political move of anybody that day, and seconded the motion, in effect conceding the race. Dolin was the only candidate on the Unity ticket to prevail.

Whether that means that Dolin, the only officer on the new team from the opposition slate, is in an unenviable position or not depends upon how committed the Gallaway team is to embracing and championing the same message that Unity purported to stand for: reform. I'm quite new to the YDA, so I'm not in a position to evaluate the politics of the organization over the President's first term, but to date I don't have any reason to believe that the Gallaway team is anything less than a hundred percent devoted to the mission of making the YDA a more relevant force in progressive politics and a stronger advocate for the interests and concerns of young people. Support for the Unity ticket came from an appetite for the same objectives. Tensions borne from competing approaches to a similar vision can either bolster solidarity or rupture it, and the difference is the measure of leadership. This is the task at hand for the new team formed in San Francisco this weekend.


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Flora Brooke Hesse from Georgia (none / 0)

Wow, great report Leighton.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 01:10:59 AM EST

More or less accurate. (none / 0)

"I'm still unclear about exactly what transpired during the vote count for Secretary"

Your report is accurate.

"Dolin had won the majority of the votes that were cast, but not the majority of total votes in the convention."

You left off that Flora Brooke Hesse was ahead by 2 votes after all votes had been cast, but that New Mexico (which had cast 57 for Dolin and 8 for Hesse), amended their votes to 65-0 before the final  total was announced.

by ulmont on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 02:15:36 AM EST

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Thanks for the clarification.  I was locked out, so some of these details escaped me.
by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 02:18:50 AM EST
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While I have no doubt you are meaing to be accurate given the confusion, that total is in error.  Flora received all of NM's 65 votes at first as a bloc. It was changed to 57-8 for Flora, meaning that 4 individual voters suppported Rob.

Also, 2 or 3 Massachusetts voters also changed from Flora to Rob during the vote, so the final tally was 1006-992 (1,030 was needed to win).  I was a floor whip so we had 3 laptops going updating the totals with every change.  New York lost 36 votes during the challenge, so Rob would have officially had the minimum had those delegates stayed on the floor.

I would agree with the analysis that Flora withdrawing her nomination was the classiest and most dignified act made by any candidate all weekend and saved real consequences.  Imagine Sox and Yankees fans (or Alabama-Auburn or any other rivalry) trapped in the same room after four stressful days together, and that's where we were at before Ms. Hesse withdrew.

by rainier99 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:23:04 PM EST
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Mea culpa.  I remembered 65-0, 57-8, and 992 but apparently forgot the correct direction.

I thought Massachusetts restated their total (moving votes towards Flora) and then re-restated their total back to the original, though?

by ulmont on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:05:55 PM EST
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I think you're right on Mass....and there were other states lined up to adjust their totals as well.  But the next person on the microphone was Ms. Hesse withdrawing, and that's my educated guess as to why they rescinded their amendment.
by rainier99 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:17:06 PM EST
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To follow up on Massachusetts, from our perspective (immediately behind them) it looked like a member of Mass. delegation went up and changed the MAss. numbers without consulting anyone (including the delegation chair) in the process.  It was yet another example of the failure of the slate system, and the good-ol'boy system.

Sean Broom
Minnesota Representative

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 03:47:06 AM EST
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MA clarification (none / 0)

Just to clarify the MA situation, four people supported Rob Dolin at the beginning and never switched their votes (x 6 = 26 votes).  After New Mexico amended their vote totals, this guy from the MA delegation named Brent was furious.  He was a big Gallaway supporter and was basically yelling at the MA President, Rob Amara and VP Deidre.  Then he ran up to the mic, without consulting the delegation, and announced a new vote total.  Rob and Deidre seemed pissed, they talked to Brent, then reassessed the situation with their voting members.  The four people who were supporting Rob at the beginning had not changed their minds, so the vote totals did not change within MA.  In my opinion, Rob and Deidre did the second most dignified thing in the election (behind Flora Brooke Hesse's concession), by reporting the votes from MA fairly.  My friend was a seated member of the MA delegation supporting Rob Dolin and I was unseated, so this was my unbiased view of what happened.
by dalma2006 on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 07:04:39 AM EST
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A few things aren't right ... (none / 0)

There are a few things in this description that need clarification.

According to the stated rules that every delegation chair was aware -- your entire voting delegation has to be present at the time of voting to make sure the delegation chair isn't up to any shenanigans.  A good example comes from Kansas ... the delegation chair read all the votes for Gallaway - she objected since she was there ... and the tally was changed.  Since she was present she was able to hold her chair accountable.

Once your vote is read, you can leave, go to the bathroom, whatever but will be unable to return until the election is over.  This is why challenges that aren't timely can't be made.  Because you get you group of delegates to stay, the vote is read, their is no challenge, and then you can let them leave.  You can't punish them for following the rules and leaving when they were allowed to.

Before leaving, the sgt. at arms and all door guards would remind us of the rule to make sure we knew what was going on.

Having all the delegates present is an IMPORTANT rule that ensures fairness.  You see, votes are awarded based on the number of delegates present.  In Arizona for example we have 100 votes, in order to get all 100 cast we needed 34 people (determined by some weird ass distance formula) on the floor to cast our votes.

States could lie, pretend they had all their delegates present when they didn't, and cast votes which they did not have.

A challenge for example is EXACTLY what people accuse it of not being.  A challenge FORCES every vote to be counted.  And if a vote was cast illegally ... then it is removed.

During the presidential vote for example (and this is something people are conviniently forgetting) the Washington delegation (the delegation that Dolin is from) challenged the Michigan delegation which sat in front of them ...believing they didn't have all the delegates present.  This is in the rules, it is there for a reason, and it is fair.  It was within the rights of WA to challenge and nobody should complain that they did this.  It turned out to be an uncesseary challenge since MI was in fact all present.  This took about 6 minutes, things were verified, all the votes were counted and things were then back to normal.

During the New York vote, Arizona looked over and saw that most of their seats were empty.  As a result, one of our floor captains who was charged with making sure the other states weren't pulling any bs approached the mic and challenged the delegation.

Fact is this ... New York didn't control their delegation and get them to stay until they had to.  They (maybe unknowingly) weren't following the rules.  As a result of the challenge the convention chair then COUNTED EVERY VOTE, realized there weren't as many in the room as the delegation chair had stated, and as the rules dictate, New Yorks votes were reduced.  OBVIOUSLY this is the same thing the UNITY slate wanted to happen against MI in the Presidential vote ... criticism of AZ's move (which was identical to WA's move) is unfair.

Here is the thing though ... Rob Dolin WON.

He got the most votes in the room, and he got them all LEGITIMATELY.  There were no votes cast by folks not present and Rob WON.  People wanted to change or bend the rules for him, but that didn't happen ... and he won THE RIGHT WAY.

When the Convention Chair announced that we had to revote due to a lack of a majority ... Arizona did what we thought was right for YDA.  We approached the Microphone to withdraw our challenge to New York ... not because we did the wrong thing initially, but because Dolin had won fair and square and if increasing the number of votes to NY helped end things then we would bite the bullet and get things going.

When that did not work, ARIZONA then made the motion to accept Rob by acclimation.  This motion was seconded by Flora Brooke Hesse who wanted what was best for YDA just like our delegation.(and people now realize how awesome she is and why we fought so hard for her)

So that, is the full story.  People acted like the "leave the room and can't come back in" thing was some nazi tactic ... but it wasn't.  It is Roberts Rules of Order.  Campaigns and states should WORK to ensure they follow the rules ... not want them changed when they realize they have made mistakes.

End of the story .. Rob wins.  The candidate my state supported lost, but we accepted that and made a move to help unite our organization.

I'm sure Rob will do extremely well, I explained to him myself everything that I typed above, and he expressed his agreement with my explanation.

by Mister T in AZ on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:32:15 PM EST
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I said Roberts Rules ... I meant convention rules.

Also -- it is important to not that this is how it is EVERY convention.  This isn't something that was invented in San Fran.

by Mister T in AZ on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:44:09 PM EST
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I would expect from the name that this is Tony from Arizona... if I am wrong, I apologize.  

So, just to splice hairs.  When the Michigan delegation was called forward not ever delegate was wearing a badge.  A violation of the convention rules.  But, since I'm not a strict-constructionist I'll let it slide : ).  

Secondly, I can only hope that Arizona will support and work with other states in re-writing the chartering section of the by-laws to make them as transparent, and as simple as possible.

Sean Broom

by SeanBroom on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 12:48:31 AM EST
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You are right, it is Tony from Arizona.  Didn't mean to avoid using my name just that this is the same handle I use on dKos and have for about two years .. figured to keep using it here.

First thanks for the info on MI.  I'm glad in your response you didn't challenge the right for states to .. well challenge.  Personally I think if you saw MI breaking the rules you should have said something, but hey that is me.

On whether I'll work with others states to improve chartering.  You may not realize that after credentialing went down, a few people stayed around to talk about fixing the obviously fucked up chartering process at the request of Chris Hardee of North Carolina.

I was there for AZ (had to leave for a bit though someone was locked out of their room and i forgot to list them with the hotel).  PA was there, IN was there, NM was there, NY was there, CT was there ... maybe one or two others.  So yeah, we are working together already to get this better.

At the end we all signed a list so we could keep in touch and keep working on reforming the process. I think the PA prez has that list now and I'm looking forward to continuing to work with him to make this whole thing better.

Everyone who knew me back when I organized nationally for GenDean knows how critical I have constantly been of the way YDA charters ... and for how long.  I think it is too complicated, too infrequent, too expensive, and unfortunately too tied to internal elections.  The result of this is chartering is an insiders game and you need help from those that know the rules to get it done.  I needed help, and luckily I got it from our former state Prez Alexis Tameron.  Despite knowing I could get through chartering without a problem fixing the process in YDA is an issue I ran for state president on back in February.

A part of the YDAz plan that I submitted to my executive board in Salt Lake City the week after I was elected has goals listed for us nationally.  1) Force YDA to get a powerful member management tool (done)  2) Get Alexis Tameron elected EVP (done)  3) Reform the way YDA charters.  4) Not to back down no matter how unpopular it makes AZ.  5) Not to fall for the "full of shit spin" way that most people in YDA handle themselves.  and 6) Get ideas and best practices from other state presidents along the way.

I have offered other state presidents my plan a handful of times, including trying to get some people together in both Detroit and San Francisco to talk about THEIR state plans so we could all exchange some best practices.  Hell, as an incentive I promised I'd buy the first beer at whatever bar we picked to do this.  Nobody seemed too interested though.  Complaining without action is just too fun for long time YDA folks (this was my first convention) regardless of which slate they were loyal to.

I'm hoping that everyone stops being so full of shit, so passive aggressive, and so prone to manipulative rhetoric so they can actually put together some proposals and plans to make things better.  And in the absence of anyone making any real movement toward comprehensive change beyond some complaining ... I'll continue to take the lead myself on ensuring the issues with the way YDA is doing things stays out in the open until we fix them.

Of course, along the way I'm not going to convince people to just "bend the rules" to make things better as some people hoped to do in San Fran.  Instead, I really hope we just get over this last election and in fact CHANGE the rules.  Doing so NOW over the course of a few months instead of the day before an election will help legitimize any changes that are made and ensure everyone has a chance to contribute to the new process.  Doing this now will also give us an opportunity to gather real broad based support for the reforms.

I know lots of folks are with me on this ... and I can't wait until we all get this done.

by Mister T in AZ on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 01:39:05 AM EST
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Tony--

Shoot me an email at sdbroom1982 (at) yahoo (dot) com.  

Sean Broom

by SeanBroom on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:43:25 PM EST
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Arizona is a bunch of blowhards who can't win in their state and can only win fake elections like YDA.  How pathetic?  How about handling McCain or Kyle AZ?  
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:59:51 AM EST
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I'm the author of this posting, and just to clarify my opinion of what transpired, I don't believe that anyone can be faulted for acting out of order.  I agree that the rules were clear to everyone, and everything that went down went down fair and square.  I think the problem is not with the way the delegates played the game, but the rules of the game itself.

The rules basically encourage people to game the system by disenfranchising voters.  Arizona challenged New York because they noticed that seats were empty.  Fair enough -- they wanted to ensure that New York wasn't defrauding the election.  At least that's one interpretation.  The other is that Arizona clearly realized that a lot of the empty seats were vacated by delegates who had voted and then left the room, and understood that New York would fail a challenge.  That's absolutely Arizona's prerogative under Robert's Rules of Order, and I think it's reasonable to assume that New York would have done the same to Arizona given the opportunity.  But the result is the same: the rules allow delegations to gain an advantage by having votes discounted that had already been cast.

I don't think anybody did anything "wrong," but I do believe that voters were disenfranchised nonetheless.  When everybody acts according to the rules and voters are disenfranchised, then there's something wrong with the rules.  You shouldn't be denied your vote just because you have to go take a piss and can't hold it anymore.  That's ridiculous.

by Woodhouse on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:20:33 AM EST
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As one of the few people who had the opportunity to witness the YDA Convention from the backroom, I also have to clarify a few things.  Events transpired during the Convention that will never see the light of the day if people don't speak up.  

First, intimidation.  The State Delegation leaders of Massachusetts, Kansas, Florida, Michigan, Illinois should be ashamed of themselves.  Each of these leaders threatened or unseated delegates who planned on voting for Alex De Ocampo or Stephanie Stratizar.  Yes, I said threatened.  Three Kansas delegates was told that their political careers in Kansas would be over if they voted against Gallaway.  The aftermath of that is what happened during the roll call vote.  The MA E-board told one of their delegates, a MA College Democrat, that they would never talk to MA College Democrats again if she voted against the Gallaway slate.  When she didn't relent, they unseated her.  Finally, the TX fiasco.  What Gallaway's team did in Texas is political blackmail to me.  If TX gave Alex or Stephanie more than 10 votes, then Galloway threatened to pull all support away from Gio.  Faced with that kind of situation, I don't blame TX delegates with what transpired.  More reports to follow.  

Second, credentials.  If someone looked at the final credentials report, you would notice that a majority of the states that had already endorsed Gallaway had a vote potential of 100 or more.  Team Unity states that had the same membership base, same activities and same background were allocated FAR LESS votes.  In fact, the race was decided even before we got to the Convention.  MA, GA, IL, MI, VA, AZ, OH (all Gallaway states) had 100 or more potential votes while only NY, CA, and PA were the only Team Unity states to receive that many votes.  Jeff Lake (YDA Chief of Staff) from GA told the Minnesota credentials rep. that yeah, he did help out the Galloway states and helping the Team Unity states would be like, "canvassing Republicans."  

As a former member of the College Democrats E-board, I thought that my transition to YDA was inevitable.  But after what happened this week and sitting through endless backroom meetings where appointments were made and "resources" aka money was promised, I am disgusted with the establishment of this organization and demand all young Democrat activists to hold YDA accountable.

by WarnerMan23 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:17:01 PM EST
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Hi.  I'm the guy who Jeff Lake said that to.  

First, I'd like to say that I wasn't going to bring that up here as I have said my peice about the situation to Jeff and now feel like we need to be more focused on the real job of YDA which is to empower young democrats, help Democrats win elections and lay the infrastructure of a democratic society of the present and future.  We as young democrats should focus on what is going to happen in 30 years as much as what will happen next year, and how we want that place in 30 years to look, and how we can effect that.  Karl Rove did that, and look where it got him.  

Secondly I agree with you about how we need to hold this organization and this administration accountible, I plan on it, and I know that by know Chris, Jeff and many others expect nothing less of me.  

Since so many people on this board have bitched about what they thought was wrong without offering up an alternative, or even just being constructive about their bitching, I'll try to start.

I think that the slate system is a complete and total failure.  I think that it should be done away with and I think that these are some easy and effective ways to see that happen.

  1. Go to a system of secret ballots.  With all the volunteers there from the host delegations and Democratic Gain it wouldn't have been hard to find tellers and have each campaign provide a few teller watchers.  it would have gone just as easy as the roll call vote.
  2. Cap all candidate spending at 500$ a candidate (excluding room booze and food).  This would allow for literature about the candidate and some stickers, but so much less chum and no day of attack pieces.  From the slanderous peice about Ayda to the peices from UNITY using words like "Keystone Kops" to describe Gallaway people there is no need for it.
  3.  Instead of nominating and campaign speeches at 10:30 at night we should have a general session starting at 2 or 3 the day before the election with the speaches followed by a series of debates either concurrently in other rooms or going through dinner individually; between candidates.  

I also think that the credentialing system was FUBAR'ed.  The Credentialing Chair Chris was patient and fair, but his role should be nil at the next convention.  I think there are two easy ways to do that.
1.Make the credentialing process as simple, as transparent and as obvious as possible.  We're all volunteers here in our states so lets make this simple because we've got better things to be spending our time on.
2.Have the host convention offer their general counsel to look through the credentialing packets of any state that wants it to ensure it is complete, thorough and within the guidelines.  
2.b.  This addresses what was said to me by Jeff Lake.  The Gallaway ticket had every right to say to the states that were on their slate "Send us your packets, we'll look through them, and if there's something wrong we'll help you correct it."  But, we shouldn't look at one another as competitors in that light, it should be in the interest of the chair of YDA that not only are all the states supporting them fully credentialed, but that all states are fully credentialed.  

I look forward to continuing to work for the future of the Democratic Party, the Young Democrats of America, and to working with Chris Gallaway and all of the other officers.

Here's to tomorrow.

Sean Broom
Minnesota National Committee Representative

by SeanBroom on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:00:41 PM EST
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Sorry Sean for posting the Jeff Lake comment, should've used more discretion than that.  I guess I was just so pissed after what happened that it clouded my judgment.  - Tim L.
by WarnerMan23 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:07:22 PM EST
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If Any would know about Voting Improperities, That would be You Tim,
http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/03/4226bfe212a7c

C.U. Dems Resign
Lim: 'I'm tired of fighting rumors'
March 03, 2005
Michael Morisy
Sun Senior Writer
Tim Lim '06, the vice president of the Student Assembly, stepped down from his post as president of the Cornell Democrats last night amid allegations of voting improprieties in last year's student government elections and other alleged breaches of ethical conduct.
"I'm tired of fighting this, I'm tired of fighting rumors," Lim said at yesterday's Cornell Democrats meeting. "I'll resign before [this year's S.A.] elections."

Though the majority of the meeting was closed off to the media, The Sun obtained a tape of the Democrats' discussion. The executive board was unaware that the meeting was being recorded.

"I would love to at least wait one week [before coming to a decision]," he said. "But this is a lot of people raising their hands, saying things about me; I haven't had a chance to organize my supporters and have them speak in my defense."

The charges against Lim were made by Democrat executive board members Mitch Fagen '07, Victoria Lauterbach '06 and Jamie Gullen '07.

Two other executive members also resigned last night. They were Nina Fixell '07, the group's director of public relations, and Heather Grantham '06, director of community relations. Grantham said that she "resigned in protest at the lack of integrity of the proceedings." Grantham is a Sun columnist. The Sun was unable to reach Fixell for comment in time for publication.

"According to Cornell Democrats' constitution, the elected members of the executive board have the right to remove [Lim] by a unanimous vote," said Fagen, the vice president of the group, during the open part of the meeting. "We've decided it needs to be done."

Lauterbach, the group's executive of fundraising, said Lim forced his fraternity's pledges to go around collecting netIDs and PINs, which were then allegedly used to boost the number of votes for Lim's entire ticket.

Lim told The Sun that this accusation was untrue.

"What I did say is, go to your friends' door and make sure they voted," he said. He also questioned why Lauterbach has "been sitting on this until the elections."

Gullen also spoke out against Lim during the closed portion of the meeting.

She said that in last year's Cornell Democrats elections, she had been voted in as treasurer and throughout the year she was kept away from the club finances and was told not to worry about them and that everything "was taken care of."

She later found Steve Grossman '07 listed as the group's treasurer on the Student Activities Office's page for the group. Currently, Randy Lariar '08 is listed as the treasurer on the website.

"I think I made a mistake here," Lim later told The Sun about his decision to switch treasurers mid-term. "I had brought it up with Jamie, and she said she didn't have a problem with it to me. Nobody [in the executive board] was sticking to a set of rigid duties they had to follow."

"I really feel like this was a private issue between myself and three of the other e-board members," Lim told The Sun. "I really think all four of us should step aside for new leadership for the good of the club."

He also said that he felt that the attack had been orchestrated.

"I came to that meeting and I saw 20 or 30 people that I had never seen before," he said. "There were at least 20 people that I did not recognize as coming to a meeting this semester."

Lim said that he had no idea that the other executive board members were about to accuse him of breaches of ethical conduct.

"I really hope this doesn't adversely affect the chapter [of Cornell Democrats]," he said.

Fagan told The Sun that "we just felt, and I just felt, that there was no room for this type of corruption in the Cornell Democrats. I'm a Democrat because I believe that elections should be fair and should be honest. I believe that this kind of thing disgraces the party and is wrong, and this is why we felt we had to come out with what we knew to be the truth."

In an e-mail written last night to the Cornell Democrats mailing list, Lim wrote that "it has become apparent that the personal differences among e-board members have become too large to be resolved in a private manner."

He said that the current executive board would be dissolved, with new elections to be held on March 16.

by Jack Rabbit Slim on Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 05:07:39 PM EDT

by Jack Rabbit Slim on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:14:47 PM EST
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Oh but wait Jack Rabbit Slim:

http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/08/422d25275945d?in_archive=1

C.U. Democrat refutes statements quoted in Sun article

by WarnerMan23 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:20:41 PM EST
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This is Jimelle from Kansas.  I'm the girl that got up and contested the votes read from Kansas.  I wanted to clarify something you wrote in your message about three girls getting threatened from Kansas to vote for Team Gallaway.

Only two of us were actually threatened but another girl from Kansas was in the room when I was personally threatened as a witness.  This girl originally supported Alex De Ocampo but changed her mind after speaking with Chris Gallaway.

Just an update, their have been repercussions to my vote objection.  Earlier this evening we had an Executive Committee meeting and it was basically a Jimelle bashing session in which our members blamed me for our failed fundraising mailing.  I had sent out an update after I returned to Kansas to my Democratic friends in the state legislature and senior party and it negatively affected our contributions received.  Instead of blaming me, our leadership should be owning up to the wrongs that were committed at the convention.

I also received an anonymous email sending me this link: http://www.chrissmari.org/

It basically condemns me for a drunk email that I sent out over our list-serve last February (which I apologized for two days later).  It posts the email that I sent over the yda-discuss list-serve and makes fun of it.  It talks about how I self appointed myself as KYD President, which isn't true.  I was elected unanimously by the people that bothered to show up to the meeting.  We didn't have quorum but we hadn't made quorum in over a year.

My friend Thomas sent me this email to cheer me up.  He used to work with me on the Nancy Boyda campaign.

"Dear God, that's ridiculous.  I don't recall any of those people spending ten hours at the party headquarters sending out a fundraising letter; I don't recall any of them even signing a fucking check to allow that letter to be sent out.  I didn't see any of them volunteering to take up the job of president when you were working your ass off to keep the organization afloat, and I sure didn't see any of them working on the  Boyda campaign, not even those who lived in her district.

If they really think that Kathleen Sebelius would be mad at you for  voting your conscience, they don't know Kathleen Sebelius.

-Thomas"

I would not be upset about this crap that is still going on, but I still want to be involved in the Kansas Young Democrats and the majority of our executive committee is critical of me at this moment.

by liberelle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 02:37:18 AM EST
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Congrats to Chris! (none / 0)

I consider Chris to be one of my earliest political mentors.  I met Chris when I was an intern for the Kansas Democratic Party.  

I am happy to see he continues to be successful in his national ventures.

by tlongpine on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 02:19:11 AM EST

'72 (none / 0)

Ironic that the effort to reform the Young Democrats begins with so much politics as usual.  This reads like the kid version of Thompson's coverage of the '72 Democratic Convention floor fight.
by prank monkey on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:48:29 AM EST

Re: '72 (none / 0)

A real effort to reform the YDA has yet to begin at all. Among the rank-and-file, there's a widespread and pervasive desire to change the organization. That sentiment inevitably shaped the tone of the first contested YDA presidential election in years. But a sustained effort to organize at the local chapter level has yet to be made, and that's what a real campaign for reform will require.
by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:05:13 AM EST
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So how would you characterize  the attempt by the Unity Party?  If  it succeded, would change have occurred more rapidly?  Or was this always just a warning shot fired across the bow of YDA business as usual?  

I'd assume the next step is you go local - one chapter  at a time putting Unity-friendly folks on teh ground to guide the agenda and tactics of YDA chapters, taking over leadership  positions whenever possible, etc.

What do you see  as a timeline for change at YDA, and what would you consider success to look like?

by prank monkey on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:19:02 AM EST
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I'm not convinced that the Unity ticket was an incipient reform movement.  Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.  Maybe reform will come from Gallaway's leadership -- it's too early to tell.  What I do believe is that there's a lot of people in the YDA who want reform, and that made an impact on the election.  It brought passion to the contest, and shaped how the two tickets regarded themselves and each other.  That will is still there, and can be harnessed to create change if an effective campaign is executed to organize it.

The next step is to go local, absolutely.  The YDA convention passed our Action Caucus resolution unanimously, both in committee and in general session.  That resolution pledges the organization to mobilize its members to get behind 1,000 progressive candidates by the end of 2007.

Now it's a matter of building capacity at the local level to achieve that objective, by putting together a team of YDA leaders at the national, state and local levels to recruit local leaders to activate their chapters around the 1,000 candidates program.  The participation of those chapters will allow us to invest resources in developing them into organizations capable of running successful volunteer mobilizations, with autonomous bases of local political power.

by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:50:18 AM EST
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Gallaway Still Dodged a Bit (none / 0)

Gallaway happened to get an invite onto Chris Matthews earlier in the week. He certainly did not dodge questions as much as the YAF guy...but he still was reluctant to explain why YDA is vehemently anti-war but other Democrat leaders won't come out against the conflict. He seems like a nice guy.
by risenmessiah on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:45:47 AM EST

Re: Gallaway Still Dodged a Bit (none / 0)

I caught the last minute or two of that I think - didn't catch the name, but saw someone from YDA in a discussion with someone from Young Republicans on Mathews.  

The exchange convinced me that we need better media training for our spokespeople.

If that was, in fact, Galloway, he was not nearly as poised as his opponent, came off a bit of a know-it-all in his delivery and his talking points were terrible.  The Young Repub gave him a softball - calling out his own President on reckless spending - and the YDA guy turned what could have been a home-run about tax cuts and homeland security into a rather shoddy and ineloquent single by responding with a slightly non-sequiterish catch-all quote about Iraq.  

This may have related back to an earlier part of the discussion I didn't see, but it seemed like a huge missed opportunity to come away teh "winner" on Mathews.

by prank monkey on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:10:08 AM EST
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Actually Gallaway looked much better than Matera(sp), the YAF member, because Matthews asked Matera straight out if he would serve in Iraq.

He hestitated, and then said, "I'm fighting a different battle...I'm helping to ....over here".

Matthews pressed him and said, "But that's not what I asked...would you serve in this war?"

Matera then continued to mutter "I'm fighting over here..." and when Gallaway entered the conversation he had very little to achieve to win the debate by that point. Still...somehow he managed to sound too complaisant and not willing to knock the YAF guy out for the count.

by risenmessiah on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:40:28 AM EST
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Interesting.  I didn't see that part.  Like I said, I only caught the end.

If I had seen that, I agree that I probably would have had a different opinion of the exchange.

by prank monkey on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 01:18:09 PM EST
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Here's the Whole Transcript (none / 0)

Here at HARDBALL, we salute everyone at every age getting involved in politics, obviously.  So, we brought together two young leaders to tell us what they think of politics today.  Chris Galloway is president of the Young Democrats of America.  And Jason Mattera is the spokesman for the Young America`s Foundation, which is a conservative group.

Jason, you`re 21, right?

JASON MATTERA, SPOKESMAN, YOUNG AMERICA`S FOUNDATION:  That`s correct, Chris.  

MATTHEWS:  And how old are you, Chris Galloway?  

CHRIS GALLOWAY, PRESIDENT, YOUNG DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA:  I`m 28.  

MATTHEWS:  OK.  Let me ask you about--both you gentlemen, but starting with you, Jason.  What are you guys--what do people your age think about the war in Iraq right now, as it is going, as we`re fighting this to try to get the Iraqis to take over the fighting?  What`s the view of your group?  

MATTERA:  I think my group is supporting President Bush on this matter.  We`re looking to defeat the terrorists.  

MATTHEWS:  Where?  In Iraq.  

MATTERA:  In Iraq.  Of course in Iraq. And there--you won`t see on college campuses, as you did in the 1960s, these rampant protests, these obstruction of classroom, these--the book burning, everything that went down.  I think kids are more conservative today.  And I think groups such as the Young America`s Foundation help that--help mold that conservatism.

MATTHEWS:  Would you like to enlist them?  You`re 21.  You`re eligible to serve.  Would you like to serve in this war?  

MATTERA:  I`m fighting the battle for ideas.  I`m fighting...

MATTHEWS:  No, I`m just asking a particular question.  Would you like to enlist in this war?  

MATTERA:  No, because I`m fighting a separate battle.  I`m fighting--we`re fighting the culture war here, but I`m also supporting the battle that`s raging in Iraq.  

MATTHEWS:  Well, what kind of people should fight in this war, if not you?  

MATTERA:  Those who want to, those who want--who feel the desire, who have the passion to go over to Iraq.  I have many friends who are in Iraq myself, people from my church, people who I graduated with.  

MATTHEWS:  Yes.  

MATTERA:  They went to go fight over there.  I`m here.  I`m fighting the culture war right now.  Both need to be fought and both need to be won by conservatives.  

MATTHEWS:  Paul Hackett, a Democratic candidate for Congress who just lost that close election in Ohio, referred to the president as a chicken hawk, somebody who supports war, but doesn`t fight it.  What do you think of that phrase, chicken hawk?  

MATTERA:  I don`t like the phrase chicken hawk.  

MATTHEWS:  Why not?  

MATTERA:  Because it doesn`t fit.  I don`t think President Bush...

MATTHEWS:  It means you talk hawk, but you act chicken.  

MATTERA:  Yes, I understand that, but I don`t think that President Bush is a chicken hawk.  

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS:  You`re laughing, Chris Galloway. Let me ask you, Chris, do you--Democrats, by the way--what is the position of your crowd, your young crowd, Democrats, on this war in Iraq?  

GALLOWAY:  Well, we don`t like the war.  

MATTHEWS:  Oh, you don`t?

GALLOWAY:  We think most Americans don`t like the war.  

MATTHEWS:  You don`t?

GALLOWAY:  And we know that most young people don`t support the war and don`t like the war.  

MATTHEWS:  You know, I`m waiting to hear your party speak clearly on this subject.  

MATTHEWS:  You mean, as a group, the Democratic young people of this country are against this war?  I have yet to hear that said officially, sir.

GALLOWAY:  Absolutely.  The Young Democrats of America are not supportive of this war.  The young people that I talk to are not supportive of this war.  The young people I talk to are scared to death that they`re going to be sent to fight in this war.  

MATTHEWS:  All right, let me run through some names.  

GALLOWAY:  Because of the lies that George Bush has told us.

MATTHEWS:  Did you--did you vote for John Kerry this last election?  

GALLOWAY:  I did absolutely vote for John Kerry.  

MATTHEWS:  Well, how did he vote on the issue of whether to start this war or not?  

GALLOWAY:  Well, I think the real issue here is that...

MATTHEWS:  Where did Hillary Clinton vote?  Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the war.  John Kerry voted to authorize the war.  I just wonder what it means to say you are against the war if you vote to give the president a blank check.  I don`t see any clarity from the Democratic Party on this.  

GALLOWAY:  Well, the Young Democrats are very much a group that`s on the forefront of making sure that the Democratic Party message is going in a certain way.  We`re a young progressive organization that wants to make sure that our party and the rest of the country are aware of what our message is.  And young people clearly do not support this war.  

MATTHEWS:  Go ahead.  You can jump in here, Jason.

MATTHEWS:  I don`t think this clarity from your candidates.  Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, Kerry, John Edwards, I didn`t hear any of them coming out against the war in the last debate in this--when it mattered, back in 2002, when they were voting on it, or in the 2004 election.  I heard none of this clarity. I heard John Kerry saying, I vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.  Is that a call to glory?  Or was that--what did that mean to you, Chris?  

GALLOWAY:  Well, I mean, you know, come on.  You know...

MATTHEWS:  Come on?  You say that to him.  

GALLOWAY:  ... you can turn anything that anyone is going to say.  You know, he`s a United States senator.  He had a million votes in the United States Senate.  

GALLOWAY:  Let talk about--let`s talk about the--let`s talk about the issues that matter to young people.  

MATTHEWS:  Let`s talk about this issue.  

MATTHEWS:  You guys, are you pro-abortion-rights or anti-abortion-rights?  

MATTERA:  I`m pro-life.  I`m against the murder of innocent babies, yes.  

MATTHEWS:  No, you`re against abortion rights.  You don`t think that people should have a right to have an abortion?  

MATTERA:  I don`t think there`s no right...

MATTHEWS:  You don`t think there should be a right...

MATTERA:  ... enumerated in the Constitution.  No, it`s not a right at all.

MATTHEWS:  Where do you stand on that, Chris, the issue of abortion rights, as written by the judges back in `73, the Roe v. Wade decision?  Do you believe in it?  

GALLOWAY:  I--I completely agree in a woman`s right to choose and make her own decision.  

MATTERA:  Murder, not--not choose.

MATTHEWS:  What about the people among your crowd?  Is there a--among the conservatives, do you all agree that abortion should be illegal?  

MATTERA:  Oh, conservatives?  Yes, conservatives agree that abortion should be banned.  

MATTHEWS:  Banned?

MATTERA:  That abortion--or at least not...

MATTHEWS:  What about libertarians?

MATTERA:  Well, libertarians, it is more of a states-right issue.  If Roe v. Wade would be overturned, then it would be left up to the states.  It is not banning abortion.  

MATTHEWS:  And then what you like...

MATTERA:  Right.  I would like each individual state to ban the murder of innocent babies, of course.  

MATTHEWS:  To outlaw it.

MATTHEWS:  Do you think that most conservative believe the states should outlaw abortion, each state should?  

MATTERA:  It depends what state you`re coming from.  Obviously, those...

MATTHEWS:  But I mean conservatives as a group?  

MATTERA:  Oh, of course.  Yes, of course.  Conservatives, they see--they want to--they want to nourish and cultivate innocent life.  They don`t want to destroy it.  

MATTHEWS:  I`m surprised it`s that clear. Let me ask you, on the Democratic side, are the Democrats clearly pro-abortion-rights?  

GALLOWAY:  Well, there`s a huge diversity in the Democratic Party.  And I think we know that. And I think the important issue here...

GALLOWAY:  ... when we talk about this fight that`s coming in the Supreme Court and the fight that is going to come...

MATTHEWS:  By the way, that huge diversity you just mentioned, Chris, is not noted in your party platform, which is 100 percent pro-choice.  

GALLOWAY:  As is--as is the Young Democrats of America platform.  

MATTHEWS:  Right.  

GALLOWAY:  But, again, we`re a huge party.  And we have lots of different people.  

MATTHEWS:  So, why are you hedging?  

MATTHEWS:  So, why are you hedging now?  Why are you hedging?  

GALLOWAY:  We`re not going to push anyone out if--I`m not--I`m 100 percent pro-life--or pro-choice.  I`m 100 percent for a woman`s right to choose.  And I think most of the people in our organization are. But we have a lot of people with a lot of different views and we`re a big--we`re a big-tent party.  

MATTERA:  They don`t have a big-tent party.  All the Democrat platform, Young Democrats, progressives, whatever, they all have a socialist platform.  They all want big government.  They all want redistribution of wealth, Chris. They all want big nanny government going after you.  

GALLOWAY:  There you go again.  That`s...

(LAUGHTER)

MATTERA:  Conservatives, see, they truly do have a wide variety of tent, because they have the libertarians.  You have the conservatives.  You have some paleoconservatives, neoconservatives.

MATTHEWS:  Right.  

MATTERA:  Democrats all have pretty much the same exact platform.  

MATTHEWS:  Explain something to me, Jason.  I agree with you generally.  But we have a U.S. Congress now completely controlled in both houses by Republicans.  

MATTERA:  Yes.  

MATTHEWS:  We have a Republican president.

MATTERA:  Yes.  

MATTHEWS:  And we have a half-trillion-dollar debt.  

MATTERA:  I know.

MATTHEWS:  Why?  

MATTERA:  It`s a big problem.  

MATTHEWS:  Why?

MATTERA:  Because we`re spending too much.  

MATTHEWS:  Half-trillion-dollar budget deficit each year.  

MATTHEWS:  We have a trade deficit each year.  Why does the party of fiscal conservatism keep passing deficits?  

MATTERA:  That`s the problem, is, I don`t think it`s a party right now of fiscal conservatives.  

MATTHEWS:  Your party has betrayed you?

GALLOWAY:  It`s the war.  Come on.  It`s the war.

MATTERA:  It`s not the war.  It`s because you are constantly giving out these welfare programs all the time.  

GALLOWAY:  No, no, no, no, no.  

GALLOWAY:  The Republicans control Congress.  Republicans have the White House.  You`re spending on the war.  You`re not taking care of anything at home.  

MATTERA:  You want to keep going down the list, Chris.  Come on.  Please.

MATTHEWS:  You know what I like to think?  I think we`ve challenged you young guys to clarity of thinking.  I think we`ve energized the base on both sides tonight.
And I appreciate you both coming on.  Jason and Chris, it is nice to meet you

by risenmessiah on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 09:08:01 AM EST
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Thanks forthe transcript.  On the whole,you are right about the interview. Gallaway did mop the floor with Matera.  

Though I stand by my statement that he blew his answer at the end.

by prank monkey on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 01:40:16 PM EST
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Perhaps we've ended up making the same point...that Gallaway disappointed but still looked more credible than Mattera. In any case, it's more Kerry-itis...wondering just when your side will capitalize on mistakes.
by risenmessiah on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 09:55:08 PM EST
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Congrats to Rob Dolin (3.00 / 1)

I've met Rob Dolin a time or two -- he's a good guy.  

Good to see Washington State with a presence on the YDA board.  Maybe now with a Unity member on the board, things can get unified and move forward.

by dudefromthecouv on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:43:54 AM EST

Working together to move Young Democrats forward (3.00 / 2)

Leighton (and others),

Based on the conversations that I had on Saturday night and Sunday morning with nearly all of the candidates from both the UNITY and Gallaway teams, I sense that we are all excited to move forward from elections and work together to continue to build a strong Democratic youth movement within the Young Democrats of America and its state and local chapters.

More after I get some sleep. Take care--
--Rob


by robdolin on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:04:20 AM EST

Re: Working together (3.00 / 2)

That's great, Rob, that's just what the YDA membership needs to hear, especially the delegates.  Let's talk next week.
by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:20:36 AM EST
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I also want to congratulate Rob on a hard-fought race.

Rob is a class act and he and his team worked very hard and I look forward to working with him over his term.

by Dominic Gabello on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:15:00 PM EST
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Congrats Rob you won this one legitimately and fair & square.

Can't wait until you get out here to Phoenix for the DNC meeting.

by Mister T in AZ on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:35:30 PM EST
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YDA Convention was a mess, no slate fit to lead (2.00 / 1)

I also attended this convention and have some observations about it which I would like to share.

I think it the best place to begin is to simply state that neither of the slates, nor the ass-clowns on the top of their tickets are fit to lead anything, let alone thhe YDA, with the exception of Galloway, who seems fit to lead a group to the chinese buffet.  I met him, a total prick.  But more on him later.

The so called UNITY caucus was very much the opposite.  De Ocampo is the typical West coast liberal, with no clue about how things are in the rest of the country, which is why we as democrats are where we are today.  If him and his merry band of touch holes (including Joe McNearney, who should get an award for biggest asshole of the convention)really cared about our party and Democrats around the country, rather than spending all of their money on t-shirts, stickers, stupid foam hats and the rest of the shit the threw around spent it to help out in that close Ohio special congressional, things may have come out differently.  Further, the guy wants to run the Young Democrats but drives a Volkswagen.  What a filthy scab, considering labor footed the biggest part of the bill for the convention.

As for the incumbants, they were no dream team either, except for maybe Laura Goode, though you have to question her hanging out with that group.  Gio Garribay, from Texas is supposed to lead us, but couldn't even get all the votes of his delegation.  The convention was so poorly organized, at some point that has to be levied on Gallaway.  And the guy from Puerto Rico being elected to anything???  Puerto Rico has NO electoral votes.  And again, no mention of labor, no labor representation on their slate.  The gift bags handed out...MADE IN CHINA.  Gallaway should not have been re-elected for that alone.

And the site committee should be strung up for picking San Francisco.  A filthy city with bars that close at 2 and no smoking.  Why not a swing state that could use some message (not that any positive message came out of the convention)?  Why not have had it weeks ago in Ohio where we could have helped in that special election?

All in all, a total clusterfuck that no one should be proud of...but hey, at least we made somee progress in defaeting Republicans next year.  By the way, that was sarcasm.

by Crawfish Pete on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:38:20 PM EST

No more darkness, no more fright (3.00 / 1)

You're right. Your inspiring leadership has shown me the light. Clearly, what we need to do to defeat Republicans is whine loudly, spit vitriol at people for the kinds of cars they drive and make fun of folks because of their weight.
by Fireball1244 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:24:13 PM EST
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"Spit vitrol at the kind of car he drives"

It's not making fun, it's making a point.  Organized labor paid for that convention and is there for the Democrats.  Always has been, even when they are treated like an ATM machine and screwed over time and time again, like Clinton with NAFTA and now the CAFTA 15.  Even after all that, the Unions always deliver Michigan and Illinois.  But beacuse a man likes to hunt and goes to church, he's not important to the west coast crowd.  They'd rather give those very men who pull the big states through each and every presidential year jobs away so they can look trendy and feel good about themselves.  

Think of how much that convention must have cost, between the tele-prompters and the paper and the fares and hotel rooms.  The YDA could have spent half of what they did, sent several hundred people to the special in Ohio and maybe then we would have picked up a seat, but instead it was time for rubber chicken, infighting and a WWF wrestler telling people how important it is to vote.  I guess that is why they are the Young Democrats.  Some day, perhaps they will grow up and realize what is really important.

by Crawfish Pete on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:42:01 PM EST
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"Even after all that, the Unions always deliver Michigan and Illinois."

Congratulations.  But we lost the ability to deliver Ohio and Pennsylvania.  

Now maybe this hasn't sunk in, but what good has focusing on elections as an ends and not as a means done?!?!

Look around, think about it, get back to me.

Sean  

by SeanBroom on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:18:35 PM EST
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So I guess that you are implying that Organized Labor should stay out Elections?  If it wreen't for labor, we never would have gotten as close as we did with Al Gore, and look who paid for the re-count!  Not to mind yo that convention.

If labor were to ever leave the Democrats (note Rudy and Bloomberg both had or have labor support, some Republicans are getting it), it would be the final nail in the coffin for the Democratic party.  It could get a plot in the political cemetary next to the Whigs.  And we could finally have the funeral that Howard Dean and his following have been pushing for.

by Crawfish Pete on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:42:15 AM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

I don't think I said that at all.  In fact, its just more and more obvious every damn minute that you're a troll.  And sadly I know who you are.  

Now, first of all, if you'll notice I said 'we' thats right, I am a card carrying union member, not one of these 'associate' members or 'family' members... nope, real, live, might go on strike in a few months union members.

But, what do I know about union support?

Our money isn't as good as it used to be because of McCain-Feingold which disproportionally affected the money given by unions to politicians.  And further Democrats haven't had unions in the bag since Ronald Reagan.  This is because of a litany of reasons, which I will not go to on here.  But the short of it is, I'm not going to walk into a Democratic function and expect the world to stop spinning because I'm a union member.  We have to put up or shut up and the dollars just don't cut it any more.  What can Democrats do to guarentee Union support?  Again, another litany of possiblities that I will not go into here.  

Further you bitch and moan about it not being in Ohio where we 'could' have contributed to the special election.

So now you expect the leaders of YDA to not only drive union made cars shop in unionized grocery and hardware stores (without ever really caring about what they have to say) that you expect them to be psychic too?!?!?!  Early last year when the descision to hold the YDA convention in San Francisco was made no one could have expected that there would be a special election in Ohio.  

Further, you continue to bitch and moan about the presence of Francisco Domenech because he's from Puerto Rico.  In fact you said... "And the guy from Puerto Rico being elected to anything???  Puerto Rico has NO electoral votes."  Puerto Ricans are fighting and dying for America in Iraq and Afghanistan, Puerto Ricans are affected by many descisions made by the Federal Government, and many of them want statehood... but because they don't have any electoral votes we shouldn't allow them a position of leadership in our organization?!?!  

This is dumb first and foremost from your failure to view elections as anything more than the ends.  A failure that many people have and one of my loudest criticisms of the Gallaway slate.  

But where were you in San Francisco, Pete?  Where were you running for something?  Or are you too much of a coward to do that too?  If you think something is wrong, what are you doing to chage it?  Run for a position, speak for a position?  Anything?

Oh I see, you're talking shit on the internet.  

And finally... again, you are a coward, calling names, belittling people and spewing your ignorance all over this board all the while hiding in anonyimity behind a computer screen.  

Sean Broom | I put my name behind my ideals, and sacrifice for them daily.    

by SeanBroom on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:41:14 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Sean, Tim Lim here, just wanted to say it was a honor working with you at the YDA Convention.  Let's keep fighting the good fight and hopefully we'll see each other again.  My e-mail address is in my profile.  
by WarnerMan23 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:02:13 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Sean & Tim - this is Sean from WA.  It was great to work with both of you and I look forward to our next meeting.
by rainier99 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 06:42:27 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

This is the Puerto Rican guy, or as my parents dubbed me, Francisco Domenech.

I briefly wanted to thank Sean Broom for coming out and defending the over 8 million american citizens also known as puertoricans.  

I couldn't have said it best Sean, Puerto Ricans pay the biggest tax of them all, the blood tax.  That is we have one of the nation's hightest per capita of dying men and women in combat and serving in our armed forces.  We pay all federal pay roll taxes, meaning we pay inn 100% to medicare, but only get 75% back; we don't get medicaid; we pay heavy import taxes, which over 95% come from the mainland; the list GOES ON PETE -  yet as you pointed out, we don't vote for the President or elect members of Congress - WE ARE A COLONY - our brave men and women are fighting in Iraq for a democracy unknown to us.  Yet I wanted to serve my fellow Young Dems as a national officer, because I want to make sure that the Latino vote, which is largest minority group in the US at this moment, turns out the vote for the democrats; the party that beleifs and fights for civil rights, the very rights Puerto Rico lacks. If Puerto Rico were a state, and I assure you the majority of our residents want that, we would be a democratic state, and would carry enough votes to have given Al Gore the Presidency in 2000, which we all know he won anyways.  A fact, over 800,000 puerto ricans live in Central Florida, whom obviously can vote for the President, the majority of them voted for Gore.  That's why myself and a group of 14 Puerto Rico Young Democrats went to campaign, through the Young Voter Alliance, in Central Florida in October of 2004.  It wasn't a suprise to see that Kerry got a majority, like Gore, of the Puerto Rican vote.

I could go on, and on, as I'm very passionate about my, and millions of others second class citizenship; I do want to say Pete that if you are a democrat and troubled by your lack of commitment to our party ideals, and by your utter ignorance in not knowing, that even though we don't vote, we o impact the latino vote, and how 4 million american citizens from Puerto Rico who live in the mainland vote.

I'm here to serve my fellow democrats, even though the lat sitting President to visit Puerto Rico, as and official visit from a President, was our own JFK back in 1962.

Thanks again Sean, it it heart worming that the folks in Minnesota know about our plight!

Sincerely,
Francisco J Domenech

by fjdomenech on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 03:03:55 AM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

I agree here that name calling and personal attacks don't particularly help things. However, as a delegate from Texas, I would like to personally apologize for the mess that we put everyone through.  Our next Texas YDs executive committee meeting will surely be quite interesting...
by ByronUT on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:24:55 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Yeah, what exactly happened there?
by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:28:00 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Katie Naranjo, the Texas YD region 6 director has a report here.

I'm also on the Texas YD executive committee, so here's a few observations. This was the first YDA convention for a lot of us, and we certainly learned a lot about how these things work. We've gone from having a token presence in YDA to being one of the largest delegations at nearly every national meeting in a matter of just a few years.

I expect us to address what happened on Saturday at our next executive committee meeting - none of us ever want to be embarrassed like that again, and we need implement very clear rules on how voting delegates are determined, and how that vote is allocated - actions that should have been taken in advance of this convention, but were not.

The conflict in our organization occurred because three members of the TYD executive committee endorsed De Ocampo, and to Unity's credit, they campaigned pretty heavily in Texas with some members of their slate visiting the state multiple times, which was evident in the splits that our delegation had notably on the races for Bensing and Dolin with Unity. When our executive committee met in July, we endorsed our candidate for DNC (Garibay), but the vote to endorse Gallaway failed as did a subsequent attempt on a conference vote that did not achieve quorum.

Unfortunately, we did not meet again until 30 minutes before the vote when we caucused, and could not come to agreement on how our votes would be allocated which led to utter chaos in the convention hall.  For what happened at that time forward, read what Katie wrote.

by ByronUT on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 10:15:50 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

I see.  Well, you guys did a good job getting things together on the fly after realizing your mistake.

With what happened with your delegation in addition to what happened with the delegates being blocked from re-entering general session, seems like it might make sense to have delegations tally their votes for every race by a deadline that's prior to the meeting, with every delegate filling out a ballot in writing, so that during the general session it's just a public announcement of a vote that's already been taken.  Right now it's more like a massive Iowa caucus, and it obviously doesn't work that well in a real contested election.

by Woodhouse on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 10:44:23 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Wow.  I just read Katie's report, and if that's the way it went down that's really fucked up.  Thanks for bringing that blog entry to our attention.  I'll be very interested to hear how that discussion goes on Saturday; I hope you post a summary of it here.
by Woodhouse on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:11:14 AM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Katie's account is extremely one sided, though she does admit her bias up front. What is lost in her description is that those of us in the Texas delegation who fought for the 98-10 vote were doing so in the interest of our state and our state's candidate, Giovanni. Whether it's valid or not, whether it's fair or not, reality was that a vote beyond 98-10 would have been fatal to Gio and vastly damaging to Texas.

Sometimes the greater good has to prevail. I'm from Dallas, and was a Gallaway supporter (though I also supported Rob Dolin for Secretary). None of us enjoyed the fight, none of us set out to "disenfranchise" anyone. We were as much put in a position as the Unity folks were by the facts of the day. But do not mistake for maliciousness what was an effort to defend our state's position and support our state's candidate.

by Fireball1244 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 08:29:50 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

No wonder your state doesn't win real elections anymore.  Why not try to win a few House seats?  It'd be more helpful then reading your dirty laundry.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:07:47 AM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

I think your state deserves a lot of respect for at least acknowleding your issues, as opposed to other states like AZ, IL, and KS that worked (in most cases succesfully) to keep their issues and divisions under the rug.
by rainier99 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 10:16:46 PM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

What issues did AZ have that we kept under the rug?  Ask now and I'll tell you it all.

Personally I think you are confusing our state with another.

by Mister T in AZ on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 12:19:46 AM EST
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Re: No more darkness, no more fright (none / 0)

Thanks for the apology.  That is sincere.  
Unfortunatly, I know that is not the way your entire Delegation feels.  Texas looked stupid and explained why we even have to deal with George W. Bush to begin with.  You should all learn to talk more the rest of the year, hell go out boozing twice a year.  Then maybe things could get a little closer for you.
by Crawfish Pete on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:45:00 AM EST
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Re: YDA Convention was a mess, no slate... (3.00 / 1)

Wow.  This may just be me speaking, but in the future, you should probably keep your comments to yourself.  

First of all, you're a coward.  Lets just get that out of the way.  You won't post your name, you won't post any contact information yet, like some ignorant bully you call people fat, degrade their ability to lead, and basically bitch and moan, all from the safe anonymity of your computer screen.  You're an example of everything thats wrong with internet dialogue as well as in general an assclown.

You seem to rail on and on without offering an option.  Bitching and moaning like a little child, but without the simple grown up ability to say "This is what I would have done differently."  

Now, while your disdain for San Francisco is obvious, its awfully shallow as well (am I noticing a trend here?)  The bars close at 2.  Thats the best you can offer up?  You're clearly a troll... and truth be told Pete-- I'm pretty sure I know who you are.

Go back to the shallow end of the gene pool with your ignorant bullshit, you've done a great job of once again cutting our collective nose to spite our face.  Instead of focusing on what you can do to change, instead of focusing on what should be done differently, you call people names and toss around invectives all the while hiding like a coward behind your screen name.  

Come back when you want to get involved.

Sean Broom    

by SeanBroom on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:15:31 PM EST
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well said (none / 0)

That about sums up how I feel about this obvious operative's comment.
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:57:17 PM EST
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My Hero (none / 0)

Thanks for sticking up for SF, Sean!
by cstrait on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 07:36:13 AM EST
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Re: YDA Convention was a mess, no slate... (none / 0)

Yea, you're right.  I'm going to go back to my seat on the Executive Board of a Blue State's Party and stay away from all of you serious guys.  As for the shallowness of hatred of San Francisco, I would have to concure with the Louisiana Progressive.  Let me ask you this...how many African-Americans did you see on the streets?  Not many.  Our African-American Caucus had to go all the way to Oakland to find a scene.  I guess the only way you all can stop the bleeding of your hearts is to put your noses high in the air.
by Crawfish Pete on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:50:17 AM EST
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Pete--
just curious, did we ever meet?
by cstrait on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:33:42 PM EST
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Re: YDA Convention was a mess, no slate... (2.00 / 1)

Simmer down...whyn not use that energy to win a real election....I bet you are from one of the loser red states thats why you are cranky.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:05:46 AM EST
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Re: YDA Convo was a mess, no slate fit to lead (none / 0)

Hey LAUREN Goode here, and since I was named in this post, I thought it appropriate for me to reply. You can read my blog at www.laurenbgoode.blogspot.com, though I am not in the business of airing dirty laundry, so you won't get much dirt there :) I chose to run on a slate because it is almost impossible to win an election of this kind without alliances. I chose to run with Chris Gallaway because of the progress we made with the Young Voter Alliance in 2004, and the YDA/YVA project in Virginia this year. We're not perfect yet, but these tests will get us there. I think as usual, there were a lot of things about the convention that haven't been fairly explained. One was the lack of African-American speakers: over 15 African-American speakers were invited to speak at the YDA Convention and all but one declined to attend. Another was the way votes were counted. If people were not in the room to cast their vote, is it fair to have their votes cast for them? Rules are created to make voting fair for everyone; otherwise, one state (i.e. California) could bring the most number of delegates and run the election. If delegates are not present, their votes are not counted, just as if a registered voter doesn't show up on election day. Finally, there was a labor boycott on the original hotel that the YDA by the Bay Host Committee had selected to hold the convention. This caused some last minute scurrying to find a suitable replacement hotel that could accommodate over 1,000 delegates. YDA stood with organized labor by moving our convention to a labor-endorsed hotel, and the labor community stood with us, helping us fund our convention. I do agree that if you're going to talk the talk, you should walk the walk. The Democrat running for Governor of California was booed when he proudly announced his ownership of two Toyota Priuses. For the record, I drive a Ford Focus :) And though my campaign tshirts lacked the bug, they were definitely union made materials, along with my campaign stickers :)
by BGoode on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:31:48 PM EST
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Re: YDA Convo was a mess, no slate fit to lead (none / 0)

You truly are one of the few without their heads up their asses.  I hope everyone else takes their cues from you.
by Crawfish Pete on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:17:16 PM EST
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Re: YDA Convo was a mess, no slate fit to lead (none / 0)

Lauren,

We spoke briefly after your election, and I just wanted to say publicly what I said privately - everyone involved with Team Unity had nothing but good things to say about you throughout this entire campaign process.

Given the animosity and the battles that took place all weekend, the respect you've earned -- Flora as well -- is no minor point.  Congratulations and good luck in your new position.

Sean

by rainier99 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 06:46:29 PM EST
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YVA (none / 0)

I'm sorry, but this is something that I really can't stand.

YVA was NOT a success.  I sat in on some YVA stuff as my organization - MFA - was part of America Votes.  You can read about my  criticisms more fully  in my blog postings by going to my MyDD  diary, but  I'll  just say this upfront:

  1.   Horrible messaging.
  2.   New ideas by groups like MfA weren't taken  seriosly and many of our contributions were brushed aside, or completely misunderstood.  I can't remember how many times MfA was looked at as a way to get some celebrity spokes-people in the Democratic pocket.

Most importantly:

3.   You guys burned your local representatives.  What's up with you packing up and not paying people?

Lauren - I don't know you personally, and I don't mean this to be a personal attack on you.  Regarding #3,you  might not even  have any idea  what I'm talking about depending on where you were working in 2004.

But I  cannot say this emphatically enough - YVA was not a success.  It may have  been  different than previous organizing, but it  had some huge failures as  well.

by prank monkey on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:49:44 PM EST
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Get a clue (none / 0)

I must agree with Crawfish Pete.  It's easy to be a liberal if you don't have to actually worry about progressive government.  It's difficult to actually care for people and make government responsible for their needs like prenatal care, healthcare, education, etc.

CA liberals are all high ideals and passion, but it's misguided.  Save the trees, pro-choice, women's issues, etc. all divert our attention from the real issues of providing a basic level of services that every human being deserves access to.

Take for example San Francisco; our host city and a city with a $4 billion budget.  It's easy to be a liberal because you don't ever have to deal with a poor person or the issues of the depressed and downtrodden.  You say what about all those homeless people?  Did you notice a program Gavin Newsome touted called "Homeless Connect?"  This is where the City get all the homeless people to meet at the Civic Auditorium.  They have chef's who volunteer to feed them, dentists, barbers, doctors, and so on.  The City connects all these people to the services they need.  That's all fine and good until the last part:  They load the homeless on a bus and ship them out of town on a bus.  Real fuckin' compassionate you CA liberals.

One last point.  Stop taking yourselves so damn seriously.  There's nothing to get worked up about b/c YDA is quite literally "baby politics."  There is not any money involved and no one actually "won" anything on Saturday.  Dolin said as much himself.  It's a bunch of overgrown (read fat in Gallaway's case) geeks who never got approval and found a niche in their local YDA's.  Their devotion to self made everyone edgy and exhausted and prevented me from getting laid! (not that many girls at the convention were worth wasting a condom on)

The YDA should be looking for ways to streamline the party politics and its procedures.  Not merely imitating what's going on in the Do Nothing Committee (DNC).  As far as that goal goes the convention was a complete and udder failure.  However, it did succeed at being long winded, pompous, and over bearing.  Go YDA!!

by Louisiana Liberal on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:33:03 PM EST

Welcome To MyDD (none / 0)

Now please take your troll self back to your republican think tank...
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:39:53 PM EST
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Re: Get a clue (none / 0)

"Their devotion to self made everyone edgy and exhausted and prevented me from getting laid! (not that many girls at the convention were worth wasting a condom on"

If I can just say... bullshit.  These are the words of someone whose shallow, stupid and couldn't get laid if he paid for it.

So, with that in mind, I'd like to thank...

The ladies of Minnesota.  You're beautiful, inteligent, and my inspiration.  Thanks for everything.

The ladies of Washington.  Wow.  What can I say about a more complete selection of intelligent young beautiful capable young women.  You all are like visions.  You're love and support was appreciated.  And your hotness will be appreciated for a long time.  

To the two cute women from Michigan with the dark curly hair, you know who you are.  I again loved lookin' on you.  It was a real joy and I hope to see y'all again.

To the one woman in Michigan who is near and dear to my heart I don't have to say anything more.  But don't worry sweetheart, you alone prove this morose-someone shit in my cheerios-son of a biscut wrong.  Until next time.  

To all the young fly looking women from California.  Woof.  thats all I can say, from the President, to the Director to the chair y'all are profoundly gorgeous.  And it was an honor to be in your presence.  

To a few beautiful ladies from Texas.  Wow.  What can I say about you?  You made my wildest dreams come true.  No not those ones, but the ones where you said "My vote is my voice!"  and you stood for what was right.  For that y'all are even more beautiful than y'all already are.

Until next time ladies.

Sean

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 04:04:07 AM EST
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my thoughts (none / 0)

In case anyone cares, here is my blog entry on the subject:

http://publius87.blogspot.com/

by Publius87 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 02:41:33 AM EST

Re: my thoughts (none / 0)

Very well said.  Anyone else notice Iowa wasn't there?  That is a problem.  A very big problem.  But maybe the YDA will put some money on the ground to party build.  Let me hold my breath.
by Crawfish Pete on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:56:09 AM EST
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Re: my thoughts (none / 0)

Come on, gimme a break.  You're posting under three different names here.  It's transparent.
by Woodhouse on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 03:59:08 PM EST
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Re: my thoughts (none / 0)

Excuse me?  What purpose would this fulfil?
by Publius87 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 11:05:53 PM EST
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Class Act? (none / 0)

When I read the comments earlier about Rob Dolin and his people being "class acts", I almost lost my lunch.  Rob and his "team" acted like drug crazed buffoons, although I will say he did win fair and square.  But that doesn't excuse behavior that you would expect from people raised in a barn somewhere, not dedicated young politicos.

This was my first YDA convention, as it was for many people.  It didn't take long to understand that the Unity people were quite rabid in their determination to beat Gallaway.  I wasn't sure why there was such animosity, but it seemed to be a lot of bitching and moaning about how money was spent with the Youth Voter Alliance in 2004.  Imagine, concentrating resources in swing states as "proof of concept" (this means you can't nationalize a new program until you can prove it works on a smaller scale).  But you had people moaning that their non-purple state got no money, and Unity's chief promise seemed to be to correct that.  Makes about about sense to me as spending millions of dollars protecting Idaho from attack while not spending money to protect our ports b/c the coastal states already "got their fair share". More money will come to the rest of us once the proof of concept of YVA is shown to succeed.  That's why YDA is taking its model to the state election level in Virginia, so that if it works well this year, it can be spread to other states in 2006 elections. This means places like Georgia which will have a highly contested Governor's race, despite the fact our electorate collectively sucks the President's balls whenever possible.

Anyway, lots of cult-like activity became the order of the day with Unity folks.  As a state, supporting Gallaway's reelection made sense for Georgia even before Flora Brooke was added to the slate.  Whenever GA is part of a slate, we always block vote that slate up and down.  We keep our word, which is why we've been added to three consecutive slates.  It's also why you haven't seen Texas on a slate in so long, and why Gio will probably be the last one from Texas to run in a long time unless Texas can learn to support the ENTIRE slate when they have a candidate.  The rest of the Gallaway slate did this, b/c we understand what parternship is all about.  Granted, Gallaway people should have spent more time with Texas to make sure the votes were sewn up, but you didn't see TN or GA or IL requiring any of the other candidates from the Gallaway slate to kiss ass in their states in order to receive all of our states votes.  It was a failure of Texas YD leadership that this was not settled BEFORE convention.  Lord knows that we made sure anyone going on Georgia's delegation knew beforehand that part of the deal for going was voting as a block, and we explained why.  We did have people who would have voted differently in a couple of races had we been able, but everyone acquiesced for the good of the state and for keeping our word as part of a slate.  If people think that's horrible, so be it, but I think Georgia will be better off for it.  All Texas did, unfortunately, was prove that as a state, it's an unreliable partner.  Again, all of that drama could have been avoided with pre-convention planning on the part of the leadership.  Running roughshod over people is never the way to go.

More on the kool-aid drinking by Unity people...at the LGBT party on Thursday night, I was personally berated for daring to be a gay man who would vote against my state's interests in supporting the gay men on the Unity ticket.  I was even given a lecture about how I should support a closet case b/c of cultural values and the fact he's close to his mama.  I tried to explain why I was supporting GA's decision to block vote, but my head was bitten off in the process, so I dropped it.  I was part of a group that tried like hell to get Dwayne on the Gallaway slate, but his personal decency would not allow him to leave a slate he had committed to months earlier.  I respect him so much for that, and I look forward to supporting Dwayne Bensing in whatever endeavor he has in the future.  Slate politics overtook personal feelings, which sucked, but that's life.  I also happen to really like and support Chris Anderson, so I felt there was no way for YDA to lose at that position.  

I have nothing to add to the descriptions of the voting procedure or who challenged who and why. I do know that initially all of NM's votes went to Flora Brooke as payment for a favor that Gio called in.  And when Rob saw he was going to lose, he immediately ran over and cashed in two favors to get them to amend so the election would swing to him.  That's actually  legitimate, although the amending of votes that haven't been "challenged" at the time seems a bit sleazy, even if it's within the rules.  

But what appaled me was the behavior of the Unity people in expressing their absolute RAGE at having lost every race until Secretary.  The chant as voting started for Secretary was "Give us one!" which was asinine.  As the challenges went up, we had people screaming at one other on both sides, and I expected a riot to break out, especially when Rob didn't get enough votes for election, even though he won the majority of votes cast.  Flora Brooke had already decided to end it by withdrawing instead of letting this chaos continue, but Rob's people jumped the gun by moving acclaimation.  I'm only glad we had the people to force Flora to the microphone to withdraw with dignity and class that was otherwise absent within the room.

At this point, most well mannered people would have cheered FLORA BROOKE for her graceful and dignified exit from the race.  But the WA state people cheered and jeered as if they had smacked Flora down.  Someone even screamed something about "That's right BITCH!"  Of course, a WA delegate was also the class act that shouted "Tennessee is full of nothing but white trash!" earlier in the convention, so I'm not surprised.

There is one thing missing from the dramatic retelling of the voting for Secretary.  During challenges, Rob went up to states that haven't voted and literally begged, offered favors, and God knows what else to vote for him.  It was embarrassing for a national candidate to act like a common street whore begging for change, and he did it right in front of the GA delegation.  I know this, b/c I personally heard and saw him doing this.  He also "monitored" the CA vote b/c he knew that Flora had a couple of votes that were going her way until he watched to see how everyone voted.  While I'm sure Gallaway folks did some intimidation of their own, I relate this to show that Unity wasn't exactly pristine.

We can move on to the banquet that night where all the newly elected officers were to be sworn in.  The WA delegates decided to disrupt the whole ceremony with some kind of conga line and chant for Rob, for which he encouraged him by beating his breast with one fist and pointing to his "peeps".  Gallaway couldn't continue until those fools settled down.

It's also an open "secret" that most of Oregon's delegates were in fact Washington State residents who falsified their registration so that Rob and Unity could get more votes.  Goody for them.  At least all of Georgia's delegates actually live in Georgia.

There was also the matter of WA state's "voter guide" that was distributed which portrayed Flora Brooke as some air headed bimbo who "picked up some internet skills" while working at a internet company.  For the record, Flora Brooke Hesse is a highly intelligent, beautiful, and sophisticated woman whose knowledge and passion for archeology are unmatched by 99% of the population.  She is thoughtful, bright, an extremely hard worker, and a REAL class act as people who attended the 2005 YDA convention now know without a doubt.  We are lucky to have her in Georgia, and we couldn't be prouder of her or the conduct of her campaign.

There was also a whisper campaign against Flora Brooke that could only have come from Rob's people, especially one based in North Carolina.  The whispers were that Flora was a stuck up bitch who didn't mingle as Rob did b/c she was stuck up.  The fact was that Flora Brooke was bedridden with the flu until the moment she left for San Francisco.  She got on that plane with a fever of over 100 and feeling like crap. We had to force bed rest on her so she wouldn't end up hospitalized, although she still did a fair amount of visiting people she was told she needed to visit.  Her lack of partying and pandering was not due to snootiness.  She was ill, even though she hid it well.  She also didn't want to spread her illness if she could avoid it.  Those are not the actions of a snooty bitch.

It is my understanding that several Unity folks who didn't quite drink the Kool-Aid as deeply as some will be appointed to high level positions in YDA, and that's as it should be.  I hope we can all work together in the future and put this election behind us.  One would hope that with passions cooled that apologies would be offered for the boorish behavior exhibited by both sides, but I'm not holding my breath on that.  We in GA have considered Rob Dolin a friend for a long time, but there is some fence mending that needs to be done.

Jason A. Cecil
Treasurer, Young Democrats of Georgia

by JAC1975 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:20:30 PM EST

Re: Class Act? (none / 0)

Oh where does one start?  I mean; really do you have anything to say?  Your post is filled with personal attacks, invective, attacks that cannot be substantiated and basically a simmering patronizing disregard for anyone who wasn’t on your slate.  To top that off you seem to have a real hard time with populism, which if it’s indicative of most Georgian Democrats explains a lot.  But, I’ll get back to that in a minute.  

“Rob and his "team" acted like drug crazed buffoons… But that doesn't excuse behavior that you would expect from people raised in a barn somewhere, not dedicated young politicos.”

Drug crazed buffoons?  Care to expand?  Is it simply that their excitement and desire offended your sensibilities?  Is it simply that they believed in Rob (as opposed to a machine… like you glee-fully admit to.) and the rest of their candidates and became personally invested in them?  And for some reason you can’t understand that?  Now, you top it off with this hum-dinger of a patronizing little line “But that doesn't excuse behavior that you would expect from people raised in a barn somewhere, not dedicated young politicos.”  In it, its pretty obvious that you feel that these people are below you, because by god you’re a ‘dedicated young politico’ and they aren’t.  Now, I guess the first question that begs to be asked… is why the hell would anyone want to be a ‘dedicated young politico’?  I mean when I see that phraseology I think of some pampered kid wearing his daddies suit, his head sticking obscenely out the neck of which is obvious too large for him; sitting around a table trying to act like an adult politico.  Do you really want to be that?  Is the smoky back room something that you have dreams about at night?  Or is changing the world something you dream about?  I can’t speak for everyone, but I think I know your answer and it simply perpetuates the myth that YDA is nothing more than a bunch of kids playing like grown-ups around a table.  

Good luck with that.  

“But you had people moaning that their non-purple state got no money, and Unity's chief promise seemed to be to correct that.”

Really?  That’s what UNITY promised?  And this whole time I was duped!  Because as far as I can recollect the only people who even intimated that they would offer Minnesota anything for our support was the Gallaway ticket!  I thought this whole time that the key difference between UNITY and Gallaway was that UNITY were talking about building for the future instead of building for the next election!  But you being the ‘dedicated young politico’ you are and me being the naive barn-raised hooligan that I am, you’re probably right.    

“This means places like Georgia which will have a highly contested Governor's race, despite the fact our electorate collectively sucks the President's balls whenever possible.”

I’m gonna get back to this.  

“Anyway, lots of cult-like activity became the order of the day with Unity folks.”  

So this is the way rolls homie.  If belittling, patronizing bullshit is what ‘dedicated young politicos’ offer up, then I will gratefully roll around in the stank of the mud of the barn.  If sneering down your upturned nose at what you patronizingly call ‘cult-like activity’ is accepted behavior, then ‘scuse me while I go root like a pig.  

“Whenever GA is part of a slate, we always block vote that slate up and down.  We keep our word, which is why we've been added to three consecutive slates.  It's also why you haven't seen Texas on a slate in so long, and why Gio will probably be the last one from Texas to run in a long time unless Texas can learn to support the ENTIRE slate when they have a candidate.  The rest of the Gallaway slate did this, b/c we understand what partnership is all about.”

So come on holmes, lay it out… did someone put you up to this?  Is this some sort of GaYD hazing?  I just want to know, because a barn raised-drug crazed-practitioner of cult like activity is about to take you to task.
How?  How can you act as though this is the ‘best’ thing for Georgia and YDA?  It just boggles the mind (maybe because I’m drug crazed, barn raised and a practitioner of cult like activity) that electing someone who isn’t the best candidate is the right thing to do, or the best thing for our organization.  
Now, where am I coming up with this?  Simply enough as pointed out in the TYD blog and in many other places Gio wouldn’t have received the support of the Gallaway slate if he couldn’t deliver Texas.  Why would he care?  If he was the best candidate shouldn’t the members of the Gallaway slate have voted for him anyway?  Shouldn’t he have gained the support of the uncommitted states if he was the better candidate?  See, what’s implicit in that, is that Gio wasn’t the best candidate.  That he wasn’t as good as Joe, that he hadn’t campaigned as hard as Joe had, and that he didn’t deserve it more than Joe did.  

How can you rationalize that?  How can you rationalize that you voted for someone less than the best candidate?  Because of ‘partnership’?  Sorry buddy, when partnership takes a back seat to getting the right person elected I prefer to call it “electing the wrong person, for the wrong reasons.”  But I mean, really, what do I know?  I am naive drug crazed farm raised cult member.    

And, just as a kicker.  Georgia hasn’t been on three consecutive slates.  Why is that?  Because last election if I remember correctly, there were no contested races.  It’s hard to have a slate when no one wants the job.  

“Lord knows that we made sure anyone going on Georgia's delegation knew beforehand that part of the deal for going was voting as a block, and we explained why.”  

That’s gotta be handy, what was your pitch?  “You can come to San Francisco, party like a rock star, promiscuously make out with other hot “dedicated young politicos,” we’ll help pay the way, but you have to give up your right to express yourself about who you think is the right leader for YDA.”  

“All Texas did, unfortunately, was prove that as a state, it's an unreliable partner.”

Now, if simply because I don’t like the voyeuristic blood sport that are YDA elections, and if I don’t get the slate system dismantled, if I should ever happen to be on a slate, I would welcome the presence of a representative from the state of Texas.  Why?  Because I would cherish and embrace the challenge of convincing a group of intelligent, committed young Democrats to vote for me.  That I was the best candidate.  Why?  Because I believe fundamentally that it is more important that people express their democratic values than that I should get elected because of the sham partnership that is a slate.

Your guise of partnership further begs the question.  So if you are a partner with the other states on the slate, are you not a partner with the states in YDA that aren’t on that slate?  Given your obvious disdain for the actions that happened in Texas I think I know your answer, if you could just lie to me so I wouldn’t loose my faith in this organization of OURS I would feel a lot better.  

“More on the kool-aid drinking by Unity people…”

Do you really need this?  Can you not prove your point without name calling?!?!  

“I was part of a group that tried like hell to get Dwayne on the Gallaway slate, but his personal decency would not allow him to leave a slate he had committed to months earlier. “

So, you have just admitted that Dwayne Bensing was your first choice for his position, how exactly does settling for someone who IN YOUR OWN OPINION isn’t as good, right for the organization?!?!  

Now again, maybe because I am a naive barn raised drug crazed cult member I think that we should vote for the best people for any position.  Why?  Well… I think the answer is obvious enough.  I don’t want mediocrity when I can get passion, commitment, and innovation.
I see all of those take a distant second in your book to ‘partnership.’  And lord knows what value partnership has in your book because in some lord of the flies-like turn around you’ve already basically voted Texas off the island and are about ready to beat them with sticks and rocks.  
So holmes, you’ve settled it.  If anyone ever calls me a ‘dedicated young politico’ I’m gonna jump off a cliff before all my better sense is given up to ‘partnership’.      

“I do know that initially all of NM's votes went to Flora Brooke as payment for a favor that Gio called in.  And when Rob saw he was going to lose, he immediately ran over and cashed in two favors to get them to amend so the election would swing to him.  That's actually legitimate, although the amending of votes that haven't been "challenged" at the time seems a bit sleazy, even if it's within the rules.”

WTF!!?!?!?!?  The fact that something was amended without a challenge seems a bit sleezy… but the use of cashing in of favors to get votes isn’t?!?!

WHAT KIND OF PRE-1972 WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?

Alright, so it’s come to this… if I should ever leave the world of naive barn raised, drug crazed, cult members and be called a ‘dedicated young politico’ I am gonna splatter my gray matter all over my bedroom wall.  

“I'm only glad we had the people to force Flora to the microphone to withdraw with dignity and class that was otherwise absent within the room.”

Wait a second.  How is FORCING someone to the mic allowing them to withdraw with dignity and class???  

This is just one of several examples of your mouth running ahead of your brain, and yet another reason why the people of GaYD should think long and hard before ever allowing you to speak for them.  

Flora did show enormous class, grace and style for her withdrawal.  She, and the people who advised her should be shown real acclaim for what they did.   Between Mark from NC and others who supported her and herself she was a great candidate who deserved the respect of all those delegates.  I know that the transition of the chant between DOLIN!  And FLORA!  Was an easy one because she showed the character she had.  Character you haven’t done much to advance.  

“At this point, most well mannered people would have cheered FLORA BROOKE for her graceful and dignified exit from the race.”

Yet more hyperbole, bullshit, and name calling.  You about done now?  I see not.  

“But the WA state people cheered and jeered as if they had smacked Flora down.  Someone even screamed something about "That's right BITCH!"  Of course, a WA delegate was also the class act that shouted "Tennessee is full of nothing but white trash!" earlier in the convention, so I'm not surprised.”

I beg you.  I demand of you.  I hope that you prove this.  Come on, give me a description.  A rough one.  Break it down, was it a man, a woman?  White?  Black?  Looked like they were old enough to drink?  Or not?  Come on give it to me, and I will travel to Washington of my own pocketbook and smack some ignorant bitches up.  

“During challenges, Rob went up to states that haven't voted and literally begged, offered favors, and God knows what else to vote for him.  It was embarrassing for a national candidate to act like a common street whore begging for change, and he did it right in front of the GA delegation.”  

So, this is where it happens paisan.  This is where the rubber meets the road.  

You’re a classless asshole.  

My name is Sean Broom, I live in Minneapolis Minnesota, my email address is sdbroom1982 (@) yahoo (.) com and I stand behind what I just said.  If you want my home address and phone number I will gladly provide those to you.  

You’re going to call people who you don’t agree with drug crazed, barn raised, cult members, and your going to compare someone who worked for every vote he got to a whore?  

You’re going to call names like some child, implying some level of superiority, but you have the balls to call someone whose character you have no place to comment on a whore?!  

With the sole exception of basking in my drug crazed, barn raised, cult memberish character I’ve gone out of my way to not take everything you say personally.  Well screw you buddy.  You’ve just crossed the line and you can kiss my fat naïve drug crazed, barn raised, cult member ass.  

To expand on this further, you can call it whatever you want, but what this comes down to is you don’t like populism.  You don’t like candidates interacting with people, working for their votes.  You don’t like people personally identifying with candidates.  

Now, while I cross my fingers and toes and close my eyes and pray really hard that this shallow, ignorant patrician distaste of populism is confined to yourself, I fear it may be indicative of Georgia Democratic politics.  It may be the reason why you’ve brought Bob “I look a little like Hitler in appearance, and deep down in my soul” Barr and Newt “Okay, So I divorced my cancer stricken wife, and disowned my lesbian sister” Gingrich to the national scene.  You’ve also added Zell “So Why Is It I Have That D Behind My Name?  Oh… That’s Right!  Because I Catered To The Politicos!” Miller.  Maybe you should think about the value of populism.    
So, to recap.

  1.  You should probably knock off this whole patrician distaste of populism.  
  2.  You just compared someone who I view as a friend, a compatriot, a leader, and a fair responsible voice for unity and togetherness a whore.  Don’t ever do that again.  

“The WA delegates decided to disrupt the whole ceremony with some kind of conga line and chant for Rob, for which he encouraged him by beating his breast with one fist and pointing to his "peeps".  Gallaway couldn't continue until those fools settled down.”

Again, I was there.  I’m not a Washingtonian, although that night basking in the victory of the first person who I committed to, I felt like I was one.  And I can tell you man, I never felt better all week.

First of all, we were chanting “Louie, Louie.”  Which to the ‘patrician dedicated young politicos’ who don’t know is one of Washington’s state songs.  Better than Minnesota if you ask me… all we’ve got is a muffin.  

Secondly, while Rob may have given a little chest pound to show that Washingtonians and their hard work was close to his heart, he also gave us the “knock it off” or “quiet down” sign.  I bet you didn’t see that though, since you were probably clear at the back at the end of the room.  Look at what ‘partnership’ got you.

Thirdly, you compared someone who I admire, I respect, I believe was the best candidate for the job and who is now YOUR YDA secretary to a whore.  

Flora wouldn’t want that being the classy tasteful intelligent woman she is.  And you shouldn’t do that.  Ever.  Again.    

“It's also an open "secret" that most of Oregon's delegates were in fact Washington State residents who falsified their registration so that Rob and Unity could get more votes.  Goody for them.  At least all of Georgia's delegates actually live in Georgia.”

Yet more unfounded hyperbole, bullshit and rhetoric.  Prove it.  I dare you.  If you can’t, then go back to where ever you came from and keep your opinions to your self.  

“For the record, Flora Brooke Hesse is a highly intelligent, beautiful, and sophisticated woman whose knowledge and passion for archeology are unmatched by 99% of the population.  She is thoughtful, bright, an extremely hard worker, and a REAL class act as people who attended the 2005 YDA convention now know without a doubt.”

Holy cow!  And this entire time I thought we were voting on Secretary!  So what does her acumen in archeology have to do with anything?  Yet another example of your fingers running faster than your mind.  Flora showed in a time of personal stress and sickness that she is a woman to be admired, and I do… and I know that everyone who I spoke to from Washington feels the same.  She was a great candidate, and while I am happy that Rob won, I am sad that a WOMAN as strong, as committed and as capable as Flora lost.  She was inspiring, and I hope to see, and experience more of her leadership.  I know her character is beyond reproach, without a doubt.  

Your belligerent ass on the other hand….

“There was also a whisper campaign against Flora Brooke that could only have come from Rob's people, especially one based in North Carolina.”

Yet further unproven accusations!  Name names.  Come on lay it out.  If these people said it then you obviously know who it is!  None of this pussyfooting around the issue, who did it?  Or can’t you prove it?  

“One would hope that with passions cooled that apologies would be offered for the boorish behavior exhibited by both sides, but I'm not holding my breath on that.  We in GA have considered Rob Dolin a friend for a long time, but there is some fence mending that needs to be done.”

I’m not speaking for Rob Dolin, I’m not speaking for Washington, I’m not speaking for Minnesota… I’m just speaking for myself; listen asshole if you want to act with this holier than thou attitude feel free, but first and foremost I think you owe Rob Dolin an apology for comparing him to whore!  And then after that simple bit of fence mending we can get back to business.  

Sean Broom | Minnesota National Committee Representative, sdbroom1982 (@) yahoo.com

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 02:45:08 AM EST
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Gosh, Sean, say what you really think next time. :)  My first instinct was to say, "Well, he just proved my point" about the whole kool-aid drinking charge.  The hellfire and brimstone you laid upon me in cyberspace was indicitive of what I experienced the whole weekend in SF from UNITY people.  The matching T-shirts, the matching screams, and the seething hatred of everything Gallaway really reminded me of cult-like behavior.  That's why I said it.  It was my impression, nothing more.

You've admitted that you went out of your way to take everything I wrote personally, and you really shouldn't....unless you get off on raising your blood pressure.

You and I have actually met and chatted before, and you've always seemed reasonable.  Even some of your posts show a reasonableness underneath the rage you showed me.  As far as attaching my position title to my post, I did so only for full disclosure, not to stand as official spokesman for YDG.  As much energy and passion as you put into your candidates, I put as much energy and passion into Flora's campaign, and the rage you showed me in your post was equally felt by me and others from my state last Saturday night.  Of course, we have gotten over it, although rehashing it does raise the blood pressure.  But it's over now, and your rhetoric towards me does nothing to help YDA move on and continue to reform itself.  I think you might be surprised to know that we agree on nearly all the reforms you mention in another post...including the stupidity of slates.  We don't run on slates for state offices, but I do recognize that national offices are a different beast.  

And for the record, I'm not an anti-populist, although I suppose I could see how you might try to say that.  Didn't mean to come across as looking down anyone either...I thought behavior was bizarre at times, but that does not translate into me thinking I'm better than anyone else.  I fight to win, and I think you do too, especially when we're convinced we're on the side of what's right.

Also, if you read my post carefully, you'll notice that I do mix WA and UNITY supporters a little too closely, for which I apologize.  I also said that felt both candidates for VP Programs were equally well qualified, and had there not been slate considerations, my personal vote probably would have gone to Dwayne based solely on my friendship with him...b/c I thought they both would do equally well in the office.  Just so happens I thought the Gallaway ticket was better qualified, although several Unity folks (Stephanie, Dwayne, Joe, and yes, even Rob, spring immediately to mind) were certainly competitive enough for the races to be toss up.

Now for the somewhat infamous "street whore begging for change" comment.  If you can, for a moment, back away from the personal attachment to Rob, you've got to admit it's a colorful comparison.  It same to mind watching him beg people for votes...arms stretched out, beseeching. Yes, it was inflamatory, but it was also quite descriptive.  In no way do I mean to imply that Rob Dolin is, was, or ever will be, an actual whore.  And you know that I did not mean it literally.  Should you ever get to know me, you will realize that colorful phrases are a trademark of mine...and they are often shocking, and not entirely untrue when one thinks about them carefully.

So, let's agree to calm down, put down our weapons and put the election behind us...and work together to improve YDA.  I'm more than willing to extend that hand of friendship if you are.

Jason

by JAC1975 on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 02:58:05 PM EST
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A Street Whore? Class? (none / 0)

Regarding the vote-whoring issue:
I was standing right behind Rob when he approached a delegation (I think it was IL, his home state), and sought more votes.

I was horrified when the response of one Illinois delegate was "What can you do for us?"... effectively saying his vote might be for sale.

Rob's response, however, made me proud.  With no time to consult with his advisors or delegation, he didn't make any promises of appointments, or money, or access or resources.  He simply said, "I promise to treat you fairly and work hard for your issues".   The same delegate responded looking for something more.

He clearly wanted quid-pro-quo, and Rob refused to cross that ethical line.  Rob never put on the table anything more than hard work and fair treatment of all delegations.  He was looking to prove that he was the better candidate, not the more valuable commodity.

Given some of the recent votes in Congress (CAFTA, Prescription Drug Deal, Court Appointments), and the trading that happened openly, on camera, on the House and Senate floors, thats more than I can say for our some of our nations elected leaders.  "Horse Trading" among legislation is common place and perhaps even necessary... but DC politicians are all too willing to trade people's careers, and reputations, entire sectors of business, and in the case of the Wilson/Plame outing, even people's lives, in exchange for moving an agenda a few inches forward.

I'm with Jason on saying that what happened near the IL delegation was shameful, and I hope it was the sole act of a single delegate caught up in the moment.  But before we bring out the street-whore analogy, remember that he tried to sell his vote, and neither Rob nor Flora would buy it, for any price.  That gives me hope.

-Aaron

by abelenky on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 03:22:10 PM EST
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"My first instinct was to say, "Well, he just proved my point" about the whole kool-aid dinking charge."

Why is that?  Did you see me wearing a blue t-shirt this weekend?  Did you see me wearing one of those floppy foam hats?  

I don't think so.  

But you know where you did see my handiwork?  

Vote for balance.

I committed to several UNITY candidates specifically Rob, Joe and Alex (the ones who actually reached out to Minnesota, and I'd bet that in the future the Gallawegians would be surprised at the support of Minnesotans if they just asked for it.) But I didn't committ to all.  I supported Lauren from the get-go and while Minnesota voted primarily for Unitarians it was  because of our feeling that it would be more important to have a diverse balanced board than it was simply supporting UNITY.  

I take what you said with a grain of salt, come tomorrow I won't really care as bygones will be bygones and we'll all have to get back to work.  The reason for the hellfire and brimstone isn't just the internet, nope if I wouldn't have been hungover and preparing it that morning my report to the Credentials committee would have been like the 4th of July.  Nope it just came from the fact that I don't think anyone in this organization has the right to talk down to anyone else in it.  

If you can, for a moment, back away from the personal attachment what I wrote, you've got to admit it's a colorful post... Yes, it was inflamatory, but it was also quite descriptive...And you know that I did not mean it literally.  Should you ever get to know me, you will realize that colorful phrases are a trademark of mine...and they are often shocking, offensive and explosive and not entirely untrue when one thinks about them carefully.

Welcome to the club.

I've never turned down a sincere offer of unity and friendship and I won't turn yours down either Jason.

Sean Broom

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 03:30:49 PM EST
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Personally I think YDA needs more whores.  This is the first conference I have ever been to where I didn't get laid.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:48:56 AM EST
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Jason, this was my first YDA convention as well, but I have to say that your post represents everything that disturbed me about the convention and YDA as an organization.  I went as an "unseated" member of the Massachusetts delegation (I agree wtih you, by the way, on streamlining the credential process) and had, basically, no opinion on YDA.  I'd been to smaller YDA events, but never the national convention.  The petty complaints and comments you display above are representative of many YDs.  I don't think that people realize how ineffective YDA is, there were NO YDA field operations in New England.  Every grassroots campaign since I began school there in 2002 has been through the College Democrats.  In the Northeast, there are no YD chapters in Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, or Rhode Island.  Perhaps YD should focus on membership building or effective grassroots efforts instead of bickering.  I also find it appalling that you would attach your position within YDA onto your post.  I heard things being said by BOTH sides.  I was unbiased during the election and found that Team Unity and the Gallaway slate were both guilty of the behavior that you attribute to Washington.  I was sitting near Arizona and Massachusetts, maybe from where you were sitting you could not hear the ridiculous things that were being said by supporters of both slates.  This experience has convinced me and several others that YDA will remain an ineffective organization held back by their own egos.  I certainly hope that they are able to pull themselves together after this election.
by dalma2006 on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 07:27:50 AM EST
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Perhaps YD should focus on membership building or effective grassroots efforts instead of bickering.

I hate to plug for my pet cause again, but we feel the same way. Sign up to help us focus YDA's efforts on grassroots organizing for a change:

http://www.ydaactioncaucus.org/

by Woodhouse on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 12:25:07 PM EST
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Ya and some slut gave me herpes too.  Its time to organize and stop spreading herpes to innocent people.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:46:36 AM EST
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Reforming YDA (none / 0)

I forgot to add that I whole heartedly support stream-lining the whole credentialling process and making things in YDA simper, not more complicated.  We are lucky in GA to have folks who are adept at filling out chatering packets correctly, but it is a painful, tedious process.  I can understand why people were upset at having votes docketed for silly things like not having a column marked "fax".  However, those were the rules for this year.  I will gladly work with anyone to reform those rules for 2007.

Jason Cecil
Treasurer, Young Democrats of Georgia

by JAC1975 on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 05:26:43 PM EST

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Jason,

While I disagree with about 90% of your first post, I can support you completely on your second post.  And if you're willing to work on it with me, we can probably contribute towards a transparent and inclusive credentials and elections process next time.

Specifically, where you wrote:

"most well mannered people would have cheered FLORA BROOKE for her graceful and dignified exit from the race.  But the WA state people cheered and jeered as if they had smacked Flora down.  Someone even screamed something about "That's right BITCH!"

That was not at all what I saw.  The moment she made her annoucement, I offered my hand as a sign of respect and admiration, and I assure you it was a completely genuine gesture.  She passed me by, and I understand why...

Later on, much of the Washington state discussion did center on Flora's gracious and intelligent decision.  I rather doubt I'll be able to convince you of it, but we really did respect her campaign and efforts, and her wise decision to end things in the fashion she did.

I can say with great confidence that no one from Washington State would ever scream something like what you wrote.  And if you did hear that from anyone, from any state, I'll offer my apologies and condolences on behalf of the unknown coward who said it.

Another issue you raised was about Oregon's delegation.  I want to assure you that no one falsified any information.   One current electoral problem nationwide, and in races far bigger than YDA centers on college-voters.  Many young people can legitimately claim multiple addresses: their school, mother's home, father's home, etc.   Many localities have tried to erect barriers to college students voting, claiming they are not "real" residents, even when they live, work, pay taxes, and are affected by local government for 4 or more years of their life.  Issues like this are enormous in Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Ohio, and other states with large student populations.

Much of the Oregon Delegation lives and works 100% in Oregon.  The fact that they formerly lived in Washington does not tie them forever to that state.   Others of the OR Delegation legitmately claim residence in both Washington and Oregon by virtue of of attending college and working on one side of the border and still having a home on the other.  Trying to decide for someone else where they live, or where their alligence "should" lie is trying to tell them that you know best.

I share your desire to work for the future, and unite YDA behind our elected board.  The election is past, and I hope we don't carry the issues from it with us.  But we should carry forward the lessons learned.  This was a vigorous and thoughtful campaign across the board, and YDA will be stronger for having gotten through it and moving on as a cohesive organization.

Aaron Belenky
YDWA Prez.

by abelenky on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 06:54:55 PM EST
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Aaron ... earlier I claimed that WA State challenged MI during the presidential vote.  Was this true?  Is my memory accurate on that?
by Mister T in AZ on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:37:25 PM EST
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If I remember correctly an unseated MI delegate and a Texas delegate challenged the Michigan vote.

Sean

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 04:34:54 AM EST
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If that is the case, I stand corrected.

I just remember watching some WA delegates counting the MI people behind them.

Either way I think my previous points stand.

by Mister T in AZ on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 07:04:40 AM EST
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Another question.

There has been a ton of criticism for states voting in block.  Of course, the criticism comes from Unity states toward "Gallaway" states.

Did your state vote completely in block? And should the same criticism of states like IL, OH etc apply to Unity states that did the same thing?

Luckily when we did the complete vote for our state the night before the election we were UNANIMOUSLY (meaning all 50 of our people including the non credentialed delegates) in favor of block voting and UNANIMOUSLY in favor of all but one candidate.  Two of our guys wanted to support Rob, but decided after all the help of GA for Alexis that they should support Flora.  Of course we were open about this and spoke directly to Rob about it.

Anyway my point ... everyone says you are a reasonable guy. I'm just hoping you can help put some perspective on some of the "charges" being made about block voting and challenges.

by Mister T in AZ on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 10:45:50 PM EST
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Re: Reforming YDA (3.00 / 1)

I can't be 100% sure... but everyone I've talked to says we didn't challenge MI.   One of our guys challenged TN, but then withdrew the challenge.

I think the issue is a little more subtle than block-voting.  For most races, Washington did block vote, but by an inclusive choice.  We were very clear with our delegates that everyone was free to vote their conscience.  Then our Delegation leaders explained our state's position, and what conversations we'd had with other candidates and states, and why it was important.  With the exception of one or two races, our delegation agreed, and voted as the leaders hoped.

I think the problem some delegates from other states are upset about is the lack of consensus building that was done within the delegation.  And in a few cases, where a few delegates were reluctant to go along with the choice of leadership, they were either steam-rolled, or had their arms twisted to the point of breaking.

It must've really been something to be a credentialled delegate from Texas or Kansas (not to pick on them... just as examples), then be told that you must vote a certain way, or a horrible voodoo curse will befall you.

From your brief description, it sounds like you did do a good job of internal consensus building.  I'm proud of Washington's ability to free all our delegates, and still build the internal structure needed to unify our vote.

I wish all states had done the same.

I also want to thank you for the "reasonable" comment.  I know we had some slightly elevated exchanges before the convention. Now I am dedicated putting the rhetoric and emotion of the campaign behind us, and solidifying the organization for the 2006 season.

by abelenky on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 11:53:14 PM EST
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Re: Reforming YDA (none / 0)

Here is the deal Aaron ... I think you will find that I agree with you about 95% of the time, even on the internal YDA crap ... we should be able to work together.

The main issue between us is that we both supported different candidates and fought our asses off for them to win.  Is there anything you want MORE out of of a political activist than the ability to go to the mat in favor of what they believe in?  I sure hope not.

I'm desperately hoping that everyone can work together now ... becuase god knows I'm ready for that.

I will tell you that many of the delegates from my state are so turned off by the behavior of some "unity" supporters that they have said they never want to go to a national meeting again.

A few examples.  A guy from my state, who is an elected official (a state legislator), was confronted by a random unity supporter in the elevator ... "MAN, ARIZONA TOTALLY SOLD OUT BY SUPPORTING GALLAWAY, YOU GUYS SUCK NOW, I USED TO LOVE ARIZONA".  Embarassing to say the least.

Same elected official was pulled aside earlier that day by a male Unity candidate who said our candidate for EVP (who happened to be from our state and is a GOOD FRIEND) was going around THREATENING those that didn't support her.  The claim was that she was promising to pull strings to get them fired if they didn't get in line.

I started to hear that this was being said by other unity candidates when they went to talk to "bubble states", and seeing as I know for a fact this isn't true - I got pretty upset. That is the kind of desperate lie that can hurt people's careers.

The girl who started this rumor later backed off of it and apologized, and the unity candidate who started to spread it was scolded by his state for doing the same when they realized what he was up to.  Luckily that state had folks who knew our candidate as well as I do ... so they immediately squashed the BS rumor.

A few individuals AFTER THE ELECTION WAS OVER would yell at our delegates - call them "sell outs".  Their crime? They supported the slate they agreed with and fought hard for them to win.

I write this all off to a super contested election.  I actually am one of those people that think that intense campaigns like this can be GOOD for an organization.  Of course, we can't get past it if we don't TRY.

I think people blaming ONE SIDE or the other are wasting their time.  Shit like this went down with both Unity states and gallaway states and we should just work to improve the SYSTEM.

Anyway ... in conclusion I think that WA and AZ are probably VERY similar.  I bet that you and I are after the same types of reforms in YDA.  So let's realize that shit happened, we aren't cool with it, and work to fix it all ---- just together.

Oh yeah ... and also ... I'm not a Nazi for challenging NY's votes. :)

by Mister T in AZ on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 01:03:55 AM EST
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Unclear? I don't think so.... (none / 0)

From the original post comes some of the most disagreeable lines of any blog I've read about the excellent YDA Convention.

Woodhouse wrote, "The problem was that it was unclear exactly what either vision was or how they differed; there was just the feeling that something big and vague was at stake."

I think anyone who is unclear about either slate's vision, or where they differed simply wasn't paying attention, or wasn't at the same Convention I attended.

Without commenting on the merits of either slate, I think the differences were obvious.  And thats a credit to the kind of thoughtful, issues-oriented purposeful debate YDA just went through.

One slate represented strategic targeting of key areas, with proven results at mobilizing young voters.   The other slate pushed for broad support of established chapters focused on developing activists rather than just November voters. One slate represented a centralized national organization with top-down command-n-control, national databases, and single points of contact. The other slate talked about a grassroots base and a 56-state strategy. One slate relied on a few high-dollar donors for its fundraising.  The other slate has proven results from a wide-range of small contributions.

If you wanted to say that you had trouble deciding between the two slates, that'd be something different.  Both put forth detailed plans in articulate ways, and both sides gave thoughtful and insightful rebuttals to their opponents. But to say you couldn't tell the difference is ridiculous.

We're all Democrats, so of course we agree on issues like equality, workers rights, economic justice, and healthy environments.  There wouldn't be much of a debate on these topics.
The debate was about how to pursue these goals, and I am pleased we went through the debate, and am confident that leadership heard the messages of the delegates, and will guide us appropriately.

by abelenky on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 06:05:39 PM EST

And at the end of the day (none / 0)

I think if you focus on the details of the YDA Convention in San Francisco you will find faults. I think that is true of any competition and most everyone seems to find all the fault with the elections - not with the programming or location. I personally had issues with the speakers, but as a member of Georgia's delegation I hope you'll understand if I'm a little more disappointed in the slate we aligned with and the result of the elections.

But the reason why I'm not a disillusioned Young Democrat is because I also saw prime examples of leadership. That at the end of the day we saw examples of true grace under fire, of patience and tolerance, of what it means to keep your word, and of self-sacrifice.

While some people called us all facsists on C-SPAN during the election, our Convention Secretary kept his temper and maintained order. I think that's worthy of recognizing and appreciating. And when some delegates tried to start a riot outside the hall, our very able Parliamentarian took the stage and calmly explained the rules and process. It is never popular to enforce the rules in front of boisterous dissent - I imagine that's how the ACLU feels all the time. And despite standing in the middle of the hall while our slate abandoned us left and right, my state's national committee team fought to honor our obligations when some would argue them void. We elected them to represent us in YDA so the rest of us can focus on local issues, and they did an excellent job even if their honor kept us from winning everything.

And finally after winning a closely fought election that was amended into a defeat, enduring chants and taunts all around armed with only a dozen hand made signs to fight back, people shoving and pushing towards the micophone to challenge and argue about votes, my National Committeewoman and President fought their way through what I think we agree was some of the worst displays of political manuevering to the front stage, to end months of work and campaigning before it got out of hand.

I sat next to Brooke when she won by 2 votes. And she just sat there while New Mexico amended their vote totals. She didn't go around and try to convince other state's to amend vote totals, and she never challenged another state's vote. She was told we would fight tooth and nail for her, and we would have. Of anyone she deserved it. Please understand the very strong feeling in Georgia that we lived up to all agreements we entered. There was a rush to the stage by other delegates to start amending more totals and challenging votes, screams from some delegates asking for a rule change as if demanding to stone someone, and she and my state President shoved (he did most of the shoving) their way to the microphone. And even as she conceeded you could hardly hear it over the screams and chants.

But I think that showed there are some things more important to politics than election results. How you conduct yourself, treat others, and honor your word are far more important political lessons and not something you'll learn in a GAIN training. You can't have great victories without great challenges. It was good we had contested elections because it provided a chance for people to show what they're made of, and there were many more examples than the four above but they remain most vivid in my mind. There will always be conflict, you will sometimes lose, but as Al Gore said, "Defeat can serve as well as victory to shake the soul and let the glory out."

by GaTechDemocrat on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 11:08:36 AM EST

Re: And at the end of the day (1.00 / 1)

The fact that your Georgia girl pulled out of the election is shameful.  The only time you should ever pull out is if the bitch forgot totake the pill.  Winners never quit and quitters never win.  She should have fought tooth and nail for us instead of bailing like that.  What would have happened if this were Florida?
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:43:37 AM EST
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Re: And at the end of the day (1.00 / 1)

I take back the cynicism from my last comment and would just like to go on the record as saying Flora is hot.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:44:19 AM EST
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Gallaway (none / 0)

So . . . . where is Gallaway in all of this?  Why hasn't he posted anything about the convention, and can we expect him to post something stubstantive about changes at YDA here on MyDD?
by prank monkey on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 12:37:08 PM EST

Why Can't We all Just Get Along :) (none / 0)

Hey Guys, This is Brian Cross, and I've beeen watching the fray from afar and I have a few things to say...

To the Victors, I congratulate you, Let's do good work!!

To those who were not Successful, I also Congratulate you, As someone who lost an election in the Spring (Local School Board) I know how this feels, but you have a lot to be proud of, it's better to be the man to stick his hat in the ring, and not be successful, then to not have to courage to attempt this venutre at all

My Hat is off to you :)

The past is behind us, Let's let it go

Let's work together as a team to Unify the Young Democrats of America,

A lot of things were said In San Fran that were uttered in Anger, and also things have been said here

Let's try to put that behind us and work towards the one thing I know we can agree on

Let's Kick Republican Ass :)

To quote Christiana Dominguez from her Blog

"Today is the first day of the rest of our campaign. Let's get to it"

by Brian Cross on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 06:47:21 PM EST

Re: Why Can't We all Just Get Along :) (none / 0)

Awww shucks Brian.  You gave me warm and fuzzies.

Sean : )

by SeanBroom on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 09:02:36 PM EST
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Why Thank you Sean :) (none / 0)

Ahhhhh Shcuks

Thanks Man

Can we sing Kumbaya too :)

PS.. Did you see the Sox take 2/3 this week :)

by Brian Cross on Wed Aug 10, 2005 at 09:49:06 PM EST

So many people who don't get it (none / 0)

I'm amazed by the number of people posting here who simply don't know anything about what went on at this convention. I also am bothered by the people who have hidden under screen names and won't reveal their true identities. If you have something to say you should put your name to it.

As someone who was in the leadership of the NY delegation at this convention and who holds national office (I am the Northeast Region Director for YDA) I am shocked by some of what I'm seeing here.

First let me commend Brian Cross for his sentiment that we all move forward and come together. I agree with him 100%. Brian and I were on opposite sides of this race but now is time to move forward and I look forward to working with him and everyone else.

As for the person who called my friend Joe McNearney an asshole I think you should come out from behind your screen name and tell us who you are. You clearly don't know Joe or what he put into this race. Joe worked tirelessly in running and is one of the finest people I know. I think it's disgraceful someone would say what you said.

What happened is now over and tensions ran high on both sides. I know becuase I was one of the few members of the NY leadership still inside and I was the one who cast our votes for Dolin and had to be called back and I was the one who went and discussed what happend with Arizona and I commend them for retracting their challange. I also commend Brooke for her actions and have told her that she showed real class.

The bottom line is I am tired of people speaking about or delegation who do not know of what they speak. I find some of the posts that were made insulting to my delegation. We came to SF and worked hard for our candidate and while he came up short we are proud of his and our own efforts.

by Michael Gilberg on Thu Aug 11, 2005 at 04:37:46 AM EST

Re: So many people who don't get it (none / 0)

Amen Michael!

I want to second your call for these people to come out from behind their names.

For anyone to say Joe McNearney or anyone on either slate is an asshole is an outrage and unacceptable.  Both tickets had class-act candidates up and down the slate and ALL are to be commended for taking the time to run for national office, put forward a vision for the organization and for working their asses off over the last 5 months.

We might have been on separate sides of the aisle, but I have nothing but respect for all of the candidates.

by Dominic Gabello on Thu Aug 11, 2005 at 11:18:26 AM EST
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Kick Ass (none / 0)

Let's not do the job that the republicans want us to do...split us apart.  I have only been in politics for a year and I this was my first convention and I must say it was interesting, especially since I was one of the guys that were chosen to bar the doors.  I must say there were many mature individuals and there were many immature individuals at this convention who thought the rules did not apply to them.  

I will say that I did support and vote for Rob Dolin.  For those who have questioned his character, you need to open your minds to something.  The man is absolutely genuine and an ethical man with principles that we should all want to obtain.  When I heard anyone speak bad about his opponent, he was first to correct them and tell them that they were out of line.  Rob went around not to beg for votes, but to show he is willing to bend over backwards for you.  He will listen and allow you to have a seat at the discussion table.  That is Rob.  Rob will always work 10 times harder than anyone... he is the first man in the door and the last man to leave.  He is a man I respect, trust and call a true friend.  

Now lets stop talking about the past...the elections are done.  We need to focus on the future.  Let the Young Democrats be the ones who reform the Democratic Party to a winning party.  Everyone calls us the future of the party...why are we just the future???  We are Democrats...we are the party of today and tomorrow!!!  

by jtuttle on Thu Aug 11, 2005 at 05:54:01 AM EST

Re: Kick Ass (none / 0)

Let's stop talking about the past.  Who do you think you are Mark McGwire?  Maybe you were on steroids this weekend, but I sure wasn't.  The nerve of some people.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:58:45 AM EST
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Re: Kick Ass (none / 0)

Lovely name by the way...  Well I am not saying the past isn't bad to look at, but learn from at use it, do not just bitch about it.  I still hear about the 2000 presidential race or the 2004 presidential race.  We complain about Ohio, but I am sorry we still lost by more than 3 million votes.  We should be worrying about how we can win and not just beat the other party.  Lets stop wasting our time on bitching... realize, learn, use, win!!!
by jtuttle on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 04:45:40 PM EST
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Credentialing and Syphilis (1.00 / 1)

So some election this weekend.  Personally I didn't get to vote.  Somehow 20 people from my state came to SF, but only like 3 of us got a vote.  Thats fucked up.  I had to rob three homeless people to pay for my ticket and I didn't get one f'in vote.  Then Saturday night I rolled into the Gallaway party and met some chick there who was all about Chris and his campaign.  Next thing I know I am in the bathroom with her talking about the YDA platform...well you can fill in what happened next...All I know is I woke up Sunday morning next to some fat dude from Arizona.  That was some shit.  No vote and then that kinky stuff.  Man, I got to come to SF more often.  Anyways I knew there was a reason why I posted...oh yeah fix the damn credentialing system so I won't have to sleep around for a vote.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:57:15 AM EST

Fucking Bullshit (1.00 / 1)

I traveled across country so my vote wouldn't be counted.  Some democracy.
by GenitalWarts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:18:16 AM EST


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