Before It's Too Late

General Wesley Clark has come out with the best Democratic approach to Iraq to date in his Washington Post Op-Ed of today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/08/25/DI2005082501346.html

And he will be blogging at 2:00 pm for any who want to ask him questions.

In his Op-Ed, Clark takes us out of the box by denying that the false dichotomy between STAYING THE COURSE and CUTTING AND RUNNING. He offers some details that are a part of a more comprehensive plan for a NEW DIRECTION that Clark would undertake if he were president - a direction that Bush cannot and would not ever take because of the PNAC agenda that drives him and his cohorts.

So it might work, even at this late date, though many think it is already too late. But, hey, I'm not a four star general who actually won a war and reconstructed the peace. But of course it will not come about. Therefore, the onus is put on Bush who not only got us into the mess, is digging us deeper into the morass, but will not consider the measures that could conceivably salvage it to some degree. So cutting and running is now a failure - a failure to do what needs to be done to "fix" what Bu$hco broke. With Clark's strategy, the Democrats cannot be painted soft on national defense for wanting to cut and run by the Bush cadre, and then they will cut and run in response to American opinion and call it a victory - Maybe they will.

So, Clark concludes, if Bush fails to adopt the strategy Clark proposes, the American people have a right to demand our troops come home.

It is honest, it could be possible, and it is a master stroke that makes the Democrats the ones with a plan and Bush the coward who will take his marbles and go home.

Once again, Wes has winged them with a smile - and the truth.



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Ca He Be Right? (none / 0)

Is there really middle ground here?  Seems like a good idea, but how can we pacify the insurgents without many more troops on the ground in Iraq?
by LikewiseThrilled on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:46:08 AM EST

Re: Ca He Be Right? (none / 0)

You have a chance to ask that of Wes at 2:00pm when he will be blogging.
by noelschutz on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:49:11 AM EST
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Actually, this is the link...... (none / 0)

....to the article "Before It's Too Late"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501623.html

by pelican on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:54:02 AM EST

Re: Actually, this is the link...... (none / 0)

And my favorite paragraph from the article is:

"The growing chorus of voices demanding a pullout should seriously alarm the Bush administration, because President Bush and his team are repeating the failure of Vietnam: failing to craft a realistic and effective policy and instead simply demanding that the American people show resolve. Resolve isn't enough to mend a flawed approach -- or to save the lives of our troops. If the administration won't adopt a winning strategy, then the American people will be justified in demanding that it bring our troops home."

by pelican on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:59:55 AM EST
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Here is the Op-Ed page. (none / 0)

I posted the live blogging page.

Here is the Op-Ed itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501623.html

by noelschutz on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 11:07:08 AM EST

Way to go Clark! (none / 0)

I like the tone and substance of Clark's position. I haven't analyzed the substantive differences between Clark's position and Feingold's, but I like it.

Here are the questions I just submitted:

What is your position on enhancing the War Powers Act to prevent careless and unjustified decisions to take America to war?

Do you agree with the Bush administration that the President has unilateral Constitutional aurthority as CinC to commit American troops to war?


by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 12:49:16 PM EST

Re: Way to go Clark! (none / 0)

Good questions. He didn't answer these, but I bet they can be presented to him at another forum. He didn't get to mine either.... But he did take questions of substance.
by noelschutz on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 05:50:20 PM EST
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Clark has establshed a benchmark (3.00 / 1)

Digby Expecting Different Results

Therefore, Clark's piece should be seen for what it is --- laying a benchmark for Bush's failure. By the time any Democrats have a chance to implement any real plans for Iraq, Wes's plan will be moot. The doors that he sees as still being slightly open are closing very rapidly. The state of play in 2006 and 2008 is going to be very different. But it's useful for Wes Clark, retired General, to be on the record with an alternative in 2005 that clearly lays blame on the Bush administration and sets forth in exactly what ways they've failed -- militarily, politically and diplomatically. He ends his op-ed with this:

If the administration won't adopt a winning strategy, then the American people will be justified in demanding that it bring our troops home.

I happen to think that Bush has already "lost" the war in Iraq and that we should stage a tactical retreat fairly quickly. But Clark will likely be running for office and he wants to stake out a position that the Republicans are incompetent to wage war and I understand that. Democrats have to persuade the public that they are better at protecting the country than the Republicans and it's a daunting task. Clark's voice is essential to that task.

On the "strategic class" that robust liberal hawks are still taking advice from:

Long before March 2003, I knew this. I'm nobody. And here you have these people who call themselves liberal intellectuals who were evidently taken in by a man who spoke in comic book dialog, a Laurie Mylroie friendly foreign policy team that was nuttier than fruitcakes and a mission being sold as a cakewalk that was to any lowly layman's eye the most daunting nation building task since WWII. Their delusional, unilateral preventive war doctrine alone should have been enough to jolt any self-respecting liberal into keeping his distance.

A closing thought:

On what planet did liberals think that the modern Republican party gave a flying fuck about what they thought about anything? It certainly wasn't planet earth circa 2003. Bush had just recaptured the Senate and was striding around the country, codpiece bursting, proclaiming to the entire world that he didn't care what they thought. Did liberal intellectuals actually believe some fantasy that Bush could blow off Europe and ultimately the entire security council but listen to them? My God.

Why are people so unwilling to admit what they are seeing before their eyes, even today? The Republican party is corrupt, incompetent and drunk with power. And no matter what their intentions, they are incapable of setting things right. We have seen this over and over again.

Yet still I see a flurry of earnest discussion about how we should deal with Iraq and what plans should be implemented --- as if they have real world implications. They do not. As I wrote earlier, I think there is political value in doing this as it pertains to positioning for the next election. But I have no illusions, and never have, that anyone in the Bush administration gives a damn what we think or will follow any policy advice from liberals, hawks or otherwise. They do not operate that way.

I don't believe in purges or demands for disavowels; they have a faint whiff of Stalinism that rubs me the wrong way. Nobody has to apologise to me for what they believed about the war. But, considering that their credibility is more than a little bit tattered, it would probably be a good idea if the liberal intellectuals who backed the war finally recognized that everything they say and do is being used for political fodder and adjust their thinking and writing accordingly. They are not going to affect Bush administration policy. There is still a chance they could affect politics, however, if they will just stop pretending that the Republicans are operating on a logical basis in which they can find some common ground.

I think this is where we separate the men from the boys and the women from the girls. If, after all you've seen these last five years you still believe that the Bush administration can be given the benefit of the doubt, that they will do the right thing, change course, follow sage advice, reevaluate their strategy, bow to the facts on the ground --- then you have the same disease the Bush administration has. As Ben Franklin said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 11:44:16 PM EST


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