Here's an open disclosure

I recently agreed to join the team (Internet Director) on the Forward Together PAC, of which Virginia Gov. Mark Warner is the honorary chairman (as for on-going disclosure, when I blog on MyDD, I'll add the position to my profile- click on my name).

Now, I know this puts '08 on the minds of many, but I'm not going to get ahead of MRW on that one... we met, we talked, and I'm working for him going forward.

Why? For one, Warner's been a terrific Governor for Virginia. I watched him during the 2001 Governor's race and liked what I saw. He was able to attract people, from rural areas, that haven't voted Democratic in a long time-- a non-ideological 'big tent' Democrat that can sit down and relate with just about any ordinary American.

From talking with him, I can tell something else. Warner understands how technology is rapidly transforming the world, and how it affects our economy; that our international standing in the world has been lessened by Bush; that the Democratic Party needs new thinking going forward; and that he knows how to balance a budget with the right priorities: Warner's got a record of having inherited a borrow-and-spend Republican deficit and then turning it into a surplus with a progressive tax reform package that lowered taxes for over 60 percent of all taxpayers while making huge investments in education for Virginians (whom give Gov Warner a 74% approval according to Mason-Dixon's recent polling).

Where does Warner go next? I dunno, stay tuned... Warner's said that he wants to be part of the national Democratic Party dialogue, with Forward Together, and I've been hired to facilitate that over the internet. The PAC will launch its' website/blog (ForwardTogetherPAC.com) in mid-Sept (just before the annual get-together for 3,000 of Warner's close friends to do a Pig Roast on his lawn). After the launch of the website, I'll help blog there.

As for MyDD, it goes on as a group blog. Chris and Scott are bloggers on their own here, with their own voices. You know where I stand-- win with Warner.



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Congrats (none / 0)

Hey Congrats on joining up with Warner and thanks for the update. I had been wondering when Warner would launch a site for his PAC
by duncin32 on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:26:06 AM EST

Congrats on the job! (none / 0)

I don't know about Warner though.

I don't really care where the country is, or who appears electable, I want a guy as close to progressive as possible, without entering Kucinich territory.

I want a person who's going to advocate a radical change to fix these crises that exist or are developing.

Warner's not it, but neither are the other people being mentioned.  Once that person announces, I'll go work for them.

by DWCG on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:28:40 AM EST

Why? (none / 0)

It's not like the whole team just piled aboard the Warner bandwagon. In fact, I happen to know for a fact that Mr. Bowers is hoping for Russ Feingold to run.
by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:35:54 AM EST

Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

Please ask him to fill this out...  Thousands find this useful

"This candidate was contacted repeatedly over several weeks by Project Vote Smart staff members and by prominent political leaders, and asked to do the right and honorable thing by providing citizens with the critical information that the National Political Awareness test supplies. On each occasion this candidate failed to provide voters with this information."

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:36:58 AM EST

Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

I wonder if the people at Vote-Smart have ever considered that some of the people they ask might have a lot on their plate at any given moment. You know, just little stuff like balancing their checkbook, picking their kids up from school, and running a state.

Stuff like that.

by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:40:56 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

Enjoy your t-v spin.  I hope you learn a lot from those 30-second sound-bite commercials that take thousands of your dollars and literally months of your precious candidates' time...  Seriously, don't tell me that "politicians have lives".  If you want to be cynical... be cynical about the fact that actually putting a candidate's beliefs out there for public consumption may end up hurting him/her... but don't be cynical about the fucking time commitment of filling out a questionaire from the most widely-respected candidate-stance/issues database this country has going for it.
Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:53:44 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

I actually filled out the questionnaire, man. It took me about half an hour. If I were governor of Virginia, married, and a father, I'd have better things to do with my half an hour than writing down information that any interested party could get by visting my campaign website or listening to what I said in the debates.
by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:58:28 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (3.00 / 1)

If candidate X (we'll call him Warner) hasn't had a half-hour to fill out the questionnaire, over the past 9 years...

come on, we all know it has nothing to do with "time".  It has everything to do with starting to run for a national office, and he doesn't want specific ideas out there any more to be scrutinized.  From now on, it's pablum mushmouth blah blah blah from him, I'm sure... Time to think of a stupid "lock box" or a "bridge to the 22nd century" or "there are two americas" or "grassroots" or "hope for tomorrow" some other stupid say-nothing feel-good bullshit that doesn't tell you a damned thing about what he thinks about any issue.

It has nothing to do with the "time".  That's what aides are for.  Give me a break.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:03:32 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

If he doesn't want specific ideas out there, he's off to a bad start. I count 45 of 'em right here.
by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:08:34 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (3.00 / 1)

Actually, a voter came into our office during the last election why Sen. Kerry wasn't on VoteSmart.  I didn't know, so I asked one of our field staffers.  He didn't know, so we went to our GOTV lead from DC.  She told us that she didn't know for sure, but her bet was that it was because they're a Republican controlled outlet.  So that may be why.  Just passing this bit along.
by LaX WI on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:55:10 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

Care to back that up with some evidence? I've heard a lot of information all indicating that Vote-Smart is non partisan, and Googling gives this appearance as well.
by JMendelson on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 04:39:57 AM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

I've already given you everything I've got.  This is what I know and it's all I know, but the staffer who passed that along to me seemed pretty sure of it, and it would answer why Sen. Kerry and others wouldn't use vote-smart.  If anyone knows any more about this, and would like to post, feel free.  As I said, take what I've said with a grain of salt.
by LaX WI on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:54:10 PM EST
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your source (none / 0)

was wrong in this case.
Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 04:35:45 PM EST
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Re: Vote-Smart.org (none / 0)

Vote-smart was originally put up jointly by Carter and Ford, and when it was first put up, this was how it got most of it's press.  I know the two of them don't have their name on the front page of the site anymore, but I would think that if there was a falling out, it would have been documented somewhere...
"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 01:40:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Previous Warner Answers I don't like... (none / 0)

Do you support amending the US Constitution to require an annual balanced federal budget?
Yes

X Broaden use of the death penalty for federal crimes.

X  Provide parents with vouchers to send their children to any publicly funded school.

------------------------------------------
Dean he is not...  However, he's acceptable.  I'm sold on everything else.

But I'm still voting for a woman in the primary.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:44:54 AM EST

Re: Previous Warner Answers I don't like... (none / 0)

I'd love to vote for a woman as long as it's not Hillary.

Give me an anti-war, anti-PATRIOT Act woman who supports single-payer healthcare, and I'm sold!

by Abby on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:00:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You obviously want Barbara Boxer. (none / 0)

But she might not run, so you might want to consider compromising on the candidate's gender and supporting Feingold.
by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:11:27 AM EST
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Re: You obviously want Barbara Boxer. (none / 0)

I'm considering Feingold.  (I hope you understand that the above was half in jest.)  Clark is also a possibility, but I'm pretty much ABH.
by Abby on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 06:35:14 AM EST
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expanding the death penalty (3.00 / 1)

I'm for expanding the death penalty too.

If the GOP is gonna make it impossible to get big damages against people that commit corporate malfeasance then the criminal penalties should be increased.

If half the people on death row were crooked politicians and corporate types that committed negligent homicide, then the GOP would have a different attitude toward the death penalty. They might even lump it into the "pro-life" agenda.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:09:08 AM EST
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Those three answers... (none / 0)

...aren't deal breakers for me.  I disagree with the first two (the third is not a big deal, since it says PUBLICLY funded school, which I take it to mean transfers from public school A to B instead of to private or church schools), but they aren't deal breakers.
by Geotpf on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:21:38 PM EST
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Re: Did Warner's Campaign... (none / 0)

Oh my god... not this again...

The bloggers on MyDD do NOT need to emblazon on the front page the name of every god damned politician they take a penny from or do some consulting for.  This is a blog.  Jerome's a Democrat.  MyDD is not Kos... and Kos STILL got shit for having a stupid banner up... AND WARNER'S NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING YET.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:58:57 AM EST

Diversity is Good (none / 0)

It's good to have a choice. With Chris, Scott, and Jerome all backing different horses it makes for a more interesting experience.

Secondly, this is more about disclosing for the sake of the public eye. Most regulars here would figure that our moderators would get involved with various candidates and causes from time to time...as we all do.

by risenmessiah on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:05:34 AM EST

Anyone Consider (2.00 / 1)

That maybe he's gearing up for a Senate run rather than President at this time?

I mean, Allen is a vulnerable Senator if Warner challenges him.  And Allen is probably one of the most formidable 2008 Republican candidates for President, both in the primary and general election.  If no Democrat opposes him in 2006, Allen is going to raise a boatload of money he can use in the 2008 primaries.  If, however, Warner chooses to run against him, it would force him to spend money and probably cause Allen to lose his seat, and thus his Presidential future.

If Warner wins, it gives him almost two years experience dealing with the Senate.  If he loses, he's badly wounded a top-tier 2008 Republican candidate and still gets himself on the shortlist of 2008 Dem VP hopefuls.  Nobody has a chance of toppling Hillary, so come on, admit that the primaries are more for who wants to be VP...

by HoosierJosh on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:09:25 AM EST

Bite your tongue! (3.00 / 3)

Feingold is going to kick Hillary's ass in Iowa AND New Hampshire!!!
by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 02:15:25 AM EST
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HRC is known but not wanted (none / 0)

Create a head-to-head poll.

Any one candidate can beat HRC one-on-one.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:05:06 AM EST
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Re: HRC is known but not wanted (3.00 / 1)

An internet poll isn't a valid measure of support.  One person's supporters will flood the poll, and it's just not accurate.
by HoosierJosh on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:27:21 AM EST
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Re: HRC is known but not wanted (none / 0)

In a one-on-one poll who do you think is HRC's weakest challenger?

Russ Feingold
Wes Clark
Al Gore
Barack Obama
Brian Schweitzer
Barbara Boxer
John Edwards
Gary Hart
Eliot Spitzer
Harry Reid
Dennis Kucinich
Paul Hackett

It's a dozen names. Who could HRC thrash in a one-on-one match-up?

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:07:06 AM EST
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Re: HRC is known but not wanted (none / 0)

Harry Reid.

Hillary's not much, but she is pro-choice and pro-gun control. Plus, she didn't just have a stroke.

by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:19:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

HRC vs. Reid (none / 0)

The poll has been created.
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:29:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC vs. Reid (none / 0)

And Reid seems to be winning handily.
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:15:24 PM EST
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Yes (none / 0)

Because going by the internet, Dean or Dennis K. would be president.

Advocate loudly FOR your pick during the primaries (not against anyone) and then support who the party, through democratic primaries, votes to take the mantle. That's how it should work.

by PHDinNYC4Kerry on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:42:45 PM EST
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what are the rules of the game? (none / 0)

The so-called "moderates" and "centrists" have no problem threatening to break away.

So, I'm gonna play the game too.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:46 PM EST
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warner (none / 0)

Warner's a good guy, and Jerome definitely hit on Warner's sleeper advantage -- he's a genuine tech geek who can evangelize about egovernment and the new economy, etc better than any governor or senator in the country. It'll be interesting to see if he tries  to make this the core of his message or if he goes with some fiscal responsibility theme.
by blueflorida on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:45:39 AM EST

Mark Warner (none / 0)

Mark Warner is a kickass Governor of Virginia, and probably would make a kickass President or Vice President if added to the Democratic ticket. There is a sort of running in the making though that he needs a bit more experience and should go for a Senate seat first (maybe John Warner retirement?.).
by AdamButler1979 on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:53:44 AM EST

just realized (none / 0)

With Warner publically associating himself with the DLC, Jerome, where does this place you RE: Markos's war against the DLC?
by blueflorida on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:54:44 AM EST

keep your friends close your enemies closer (none / 0)

Jerome is a mole.
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:16:12 AM EST
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Warner and the South (none / 0)

Warner had a great campaign manager in VA who was able to go into southern va and talk to nascar dad's about the issues.  I saw him on hardball once and thought that he did a good job (better than anyone else) selling the democratic message to southern white dems.  
by aiko on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 07:09:46 AM EST

Re: Did Warner's Campaign... (none / 0)


Did Warner's Campaign...
...pay MyDD for that plug you just gave him? You're a sharp guy Armstrong, and a good writer. I've enjoyed many of your pieces over the past few years. But this is pretty blatant despite your disclaimer. You need to put the disclaimer way up near the banner like kos did in 2003 and 2004 when he was working for Dean.

NealB: I personally found Jerome's disclosure and the statement including his clearcut support for Gov. Warner to be quite forthcoming, honest, and straighforward. IMO, there is no need for any blatant banners, as Jerome's disposition is out in the open.

I think Gov. Warner is quite "cool" and I like him, but let's wait and see if he is able elevate his stature and make a case that he can win the big enchilada (as of now, (Vice) President Al Gore is my guy for 2008 :)). One can reasonably suspect that he will be taking several pages from Bill Clinton's playbook.

Good luck in your new role, Jerome!

thanks
Neo

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 08:27:16 AM EST

Warner will make an excellent US Senator (none / 0)

But he's got his eye on something else, eh?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:02:58 AM EST

Warner's judgment about political center (none / 0)

I have serious doubts about Warner's judgment about where the political center is in the country.

He needs to have a foreign policy and security agenda that makes sense.

Why is he still affiliated with the DLC? Does he think the DLC has a valuable approach? Does it work as a matter of policy? Politics?

As a matter of a strictly Machiavellian political calculation, why stay affiliated with the DLC? He's got to content with HRC, Biden, Bayh and Vilsack. Even in the most optimistic scenario Warner is going to be behind HRC and Bayh.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:15:13 AM EST

Re: Warner's judgment about political center (none / 0)

Warner will wipe the floor with Biden and Vilsack rather easily.  I don't think it is very optimistic at all to say that he can top Bayh as well.  Biden is old news (1988 specifically... A very large number of Iowans dismissed Gephardt right of the bat because of this). Vilsack is a fairly run-of-the mill Dem Gov who lucked his way into 2008 contention.  Bayh is more formidable, but I'm not too keen of nominating another senator and I suspect those feelings will resonate with a large number of dem primary voters.  

The way Warner could beat Hillary is this:  There is a very large possibility that Hillary's negatives will make a large number of Dems very wary as we get close to primary season (and I'm saying this as a Hillary backer).  A lot of people are going to want a moderate Hillary alternative.

I have thought for a long time that person will Warner.  His list of political and policy accomplishments in VA is one of the best, of the not the best, of any Governor in the country.  Remember, he is a governor and not a senator.  There is a great deal to be said for that.

At the very least, he'll be like Edwards or Clark:  One of the last ones standing.  After HRC, I think he is the most probable nominee.

by rapid response on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 12:56:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Vilsack is a terrible governor. (none / 0)

He's my governor and I'll be glad to see him go. From English as the official language to bankruptcy restrictions to the corporate welfare uber-fund that goes by the name of the Values Fund, Vilsack's administration has been one piece of conservative crap after another.

I'm going to be so relieved when I see Ed Fallon moving into the governor's mansion.

by craverguy on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:02:00 PM EST
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With the FEC snooping and all (2.00 / 1)

I wonder about the disclosure thing.

Jerome: May I ask you a question? While is it good of you to disclose your new relationship, do you think it is good for the process of blogging that you continue to be involved in the blog?

I'm not going to suggest that you or others who work for campaigns should be censored or not be involved; quite the contrary, we want to know what is going on. But I wonder if you have thought about this in the deeper context and how it affects the rest of us? I worry about this format being regulated by the FEC. I wonder whether people who are involved with PACs or campaigns should have personal blogs with the disclosure instead, and not be so involved in the public forum blogs while working on campaigns or PACs. Or, maybe it isn't such a big deal. I don't know. I am honestly wondering and not trying to be judgmental.

I say this because I come at my blog as more of an extension of my previous column writing, which would be an extension of the media. I have offered space to other column writers as well and there is a comment section if people really want to respond. I also took the smart step of having my right to blog and write outside of work written into my work contract even though I don't write about why job much at all. My point though is that "blogs" like this one and Daily Kos are becoming more like a community media outlets, posting boards, or glorified Internet debate societes, and less like "blogs" in the tradtional sense - if there is a traditional sense about these things. If MyDD or Daily Kos were my outlets and I went to work for a campaign or PAC, I would be really worried about the FEC coming in and regulating my content just because of my direct [or indirect] involvement in a campaign. Since I personally work in the media and can't work on political campaigns and in the media at the same time, I don't have a problem with this and my "political" commentary blog will probably never be regulated by the FEC. But what if it is? What if your involvement helps to build this regulation movement and then it comes down to people like me? Why should I have to be regulated because of your employment choices and lack of forknowledge to keep things separate so they don't come in and regulate.

Does anyone get what I am saying here? Maybe I haven't had enough coffee this morning.

http://politizine.blogspot.com: A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music and modern times.
by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:27:32 AM EST

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (3.00 / 2)

I don't know, that's too hypothetical for me. If the FEC is going to regulate the blogs because someone that works on a campaign happens to blog too, then I guess that's got big implications for cable TV & radio too. It's just another medium.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:51:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Not necessarily.  Each medium can have its own set of rules -- not that there's any justification for being stricter on the Internet than on tv/radio/print, but they can still do it anyway.
by Adam B on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 11:51:38 AM EST
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Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Not with federal campaigns. You run into FEC issues and disclosure and that is my point. You can't be paid for a federal campaign as a consultant and then be paid to be a reporter, anchor, commentator, whatever. It is a conflict of interest and their are filing issues involved. It puts one campaign at a disadvantage. It is different if you don't work for a campaign but you give advice or if you have an opinion. Two different things.
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by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 04:39:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Nope.  There is no FEC obligation for the recipient of federal funds to disclose anything.  That obligation rests with the candidate.  Please point to anything which says otherwise.
by Adam B on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 08:29:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Actually, there is. You will find the rules at the Web site: fec.gov. You can also find both expenditures/receipts here: http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/disclosure_data_search.shtml

That is the reason why the FEC is looking into the bloggers - because they suspect that the bloggers could be an extension of the campaign, and said campaigns are not acknowledging the expenditure of the bloggers. That is the point of all this: The federal campaigns have to disclose any expenditures.

http://politizine.blogspot.com: A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music and modern times.
by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 08:50:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

  1.  You are correct that this stuff is reported, but it's all reported by the campaigns, not the recipients.  The payments to the Thune bloggers were on Thune's June 30, 2004 filing, for example.

  2.  I am quite familiar with the FEC rules.  That's why I asked you to find one that says what you think one does.

  3.  The FEC is "looking into the bloggers" because they were forced to by a court ruling with plaintiffs Shays and Meehan (and supported by McCain and Feingold).  

by Adam B on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:15:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Good point. I don't have the answer on this; I was just wondering out loud. That is the point of the hypothetical exercise.

There is a difference in mediums though. You can't host, say, "Hannity & Colmes" or "Crossfire," and then be a campaign manager - or whatever - for a candidate. You can state an opinion on the air, but you can not openly work in the campaign structure. I think the issue goes to what is speech versus what is a part of a campaign structure. In some ways, you - and potentially others - could be coming near to skirting that issue. I don't know. It is worthy of discussion, I would think, for the betterment - and safety from regulation - of all of us.

As an aside, I did have an issue with Joe Scarborough from MSNBC sitting in the front row at one of President Bush's rallies in the Florida panhandle right before the 2004 election and then going back to hosting his show the next day. If you are going to openly campaign for someone, or be a part of their structure - like appearing at a rally, you shouldn't be involved in mass medium, I would think. It is one thing to have an opinion; it is another thing to openly support with your own actions said campaign apparatus.

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by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 12:55:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (3.00 / 1)

You can't host, say, "Hannity & Colmes" or "Crossfire," and then be a campaign manager - or whatever - for a candidate.

Really?  Tell that to Paul Begala and James Carville, who hosted Crossfire last year while consulting for Kerry and other Dems.

by Adam B on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:27:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (none / 0)

Eh, were they being paid as consultants? I don't think so. Were they asked their opinions? Possibly. That is different. Anyone can ask anyone their opinion; being paid by the campaign is another thing entirely. A pol can ask a reporter what they might think of an issue. But if a reporter is on the payroll, you're screwed.

The point? It doesn't happen. You can't be a paid member of a campaign and work in the media.

http://politizine.blogspot.com: A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music and modern times.
by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 04:37:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With the FEC snooping and all (3.00 / 1)

I do not believe the FEC is the primary issue here, but I could be wrong.  Regardless, Jerome has disclosed, and it will be noted in his Profile on MyDD.  The disclosure is the key.

I understand Jerome's Diary to be an admission of entering into a contract agreement with a politician that we frequently discuss.

I consider Jerome's admission to be virtuous; he is simply taking an appropriate step by informing this community of a working relationship with someone who will (hopefully) have a long-term place in the Democratic Party.

If Jerome said nothing, and then it was revealed later that he has a working relationship with Mark Warner, then Jerome may be subject to our inquiry, and possible scrutiny.  Equally important, the RWNM and others may be very critical of Jerome for a perceived collaboration between Mark Warner and MyDD.

As we all know, politics is a blood sport and perception is prioritized over reality.  You may recall that Jerome faced similar charges of misperception:

http://rawstory.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=139

 

by Bill Felmlee on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:21:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Come on Alice ... (none / 0)

My post wasn't worthy of a 2! Hah!
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by politizine on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 12:56:46 PM EST
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Disclosure (3.00 / 3)

I'd prefer it if all members of the media were as forthcoming with their conflicts of interest as Jerome is here.  Because the truth is that, now, Jerome's impartiality can reasonably be questioned on any issue related to national politics from here through 2008.  That doesn't mean he should be silent, but rather that we should be aware of his biases.

It's fair to ask, though: when you were paid by Dean, you elected to stay off this site.  Why not now?

by Adam B on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:43:20 AM EST

Running for the Senate is a demotion,and the kiss (none / 0)

of death for any presidential aspirations.

Warner doesn't need the "experience" of Washington insidery.

by Cyt on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 09:46:27 AM EST

Doesn't VA have a retarded one term limit for gov? (none / 0)

So if he wants a job in 06, he has to run for senate.  It is a slight demotion, IMHO.

Now, another thing, though: You can't run and get elected for the first time for senate or governor in 06 and then run for president in 08, because you will have to start campaigning for president basically the day you take office.  If it's a re-election for the same job, that's acceptable, but you can't take a new job in 06 and then try to be president in 08.  It's not practical.  If Warner runs for senate in 06, he's not running for president in 08.  This is a reason why General Clark is not running for governor of Arkansas in 06-because he's running for president in 08.

by Geotpf on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:29:30 PM EST
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Terrific! (none / 0)

A nice Saturday morning, a good cup of coffee, our son playing in the background, and knowledge that Jerome is working with Mark Warner.  

It's going to be a good Saturday.

As a Virginian at the DLC event in Columbus, I was so glad that Governor Warner came to speak. I met Mame Reiley and I emailed her after the event to offer my praise and support. It will be interesting to see what the Governor decides to do in the coming months.

I wish you success with this opportunity.

by Bill Felmlee on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:36:43 AM EST

Talk about getting out there early (none / 0)

Congrats on the postion Jerome. Talk about getting out there early for a candidate. All the best of luck to you.
Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 10:48:52 AM EST

Warner, huh? (none / 0)

Well ok, and the best of luck to you both. Thanks for the heads up. Interesting that you locked onto him so early. Good for Warner. Good for you.

Interesting too though that we were just discussing (in a Bowers thread?) the unlikelihood of someone out-centering Sen. Clinton. How does he get past her name recognition and backing? He's male and he's southern and he's not Hillary. That'll get him some support but I don't think it's enough.

I'm not putting him down here as everything I've heard about him has been very good. I'm just trying to think about how things work politically and I think the deck is stacked against him if Sen. Hillary Clinton runs... and I think it is pretty clear she will. In fact... he seems like the perfect VP candidate for her.

I dunno. Just musing along here without diving in deeply. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 11:34:21 AM EST

Hillary is another Northeastern Senator (none / 0)

Warner is a southern governor, as were BC and Carter.

He doesn't need an ideological niche.

by Cyt on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 05:52:27 PM EST
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P.S. (3.00 / 4)

Thank you for the disclosure. It is absolutely the right thing to do and you handled it perfectly. No more is needed and no less.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 11:36:06 AM EST

More is Needed? (3.00 / 2)

I do appreciate Jerome front-paging his disclosure of his ties to Governor Warner. For most regulars that is probably enough. But I'd argue more is needed going forward.

Shouldn't Jerome put a disclaimer in his sig when he posts from here on out? The fact that he has disclosed in this post does not absolve him of clearly informing future readers that he has a potential conflict of interest. True, the disclosure is available if you visit his profile but most readers will not make that click.

Future readers who may have missed this post nevertheless deserve to know if a bias is present. Just as staff for other campaigns often have their affiliations and titles listed under their name when speaking on television and when writing on blogs, the same should be true here of Jerome.

I offer this for consideration.

by Curt Matlock on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:56:45 PM EST
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Re: More is Needed? (3.00 / 0)

Well... it is a reasonable point. However, I think it is the sort of thing that we can take to too far of an extreme. If it is listed in his profile personally I think that is enough. I am quite certain we'll anti-Warner people here screaming it out on a regular basis thereby negating the need for Jerome to do it himself. Placing it in his profile is sufficient due diligence for disclosure purposes in my opinion.

As I get deeper involved in politics I gain more titles. Each of these means I am involved in or have endorsed various candidates and in several cases means I am or will be working on their behalf. Should I state as much as a disclosure on every post I make? In short order it would become a long paragraph worth of disclosure that would mean little or nothing. Likewise, should I list past candidates I have worked for? I worked for Howard Dean. I am not currently working for him but fully support him in his current role. I say so on a regular basis and as a Democratic Party official I fully and unequivocally support him and urge others to do so as well. Do I need to add this disclaimer every time I post? My position there is actually more likely to affect m commentary and therefore be more worthwhile of a disclosure. Where is the reasonable cut-off point? And at what point does it become extreme? We Democrats and particularly progressive types that believe in honesty, openness and have high standards of moral and ethical behavior are prone to taking such things to extremes. It is part of what makes us often sound wishy washy. We look at all sides and try our best to describe our positions completely and fully.

I think what he has done is appropriate. He has a formal relationship and has divulged it fully and openly. He will place it somewhere it can be found by anyone interested and given the open nature of this place I'm quite certain it won't be forgotten or lost in the annals of history as we move forward towards the election.

I dunno. That's just me. I think it was just right.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 03:45:50 PM EST
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Congratulations Jerome! (none / 0)

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Warner.  Recently, I worked on a policy research paper that required me to take a pretty close look at all of the current Democratic governors.

Warner stood with an elite few that really impressed me for their policymaking skill and political prowess.  In fact, he is honestly my favorite Democratic governor (Easley and Sebelius trail closely behind).  In a lot of ways, he has been a miracleworker in that state.  Through fiscally conservative means, he has brought about great progressive change in VA.

I think it is unfortunate that a lot of people in the netroots are taking shots at the candidate.

I honestly believe that the more folks learn about Warner, the more their opinions will change.  His policy accomplishments are incredible.  He is also very gifted at issue framing.  He makes an enormous number of rural republicans "get it" on the wisdom of progressive policies like investing in education, assisting outsourced workers, and a whole heck of a lot more.

I'm glad you'll be helping to get the word out.  Best of luck, I think you made a great choice.

by rapid response on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 12:40:07 PM EST

Re: Congratulations Jerome! (none / 0)

Thanks, that about nails it.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 01:54:33 PM EST
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Excellent. (none / 0)

As a Virginian, I know very well Mark Warner's accomplishments as governor. I believe the choice Jerome has made here is a very prudent one; Warner is one of my top picks for the presidency and certainly the vice-presidency--simply because of his competence.

While he may be affiliated with the DLC, I am of the mind that he is one of the few moderate Democrats in this country that truly supports building our party, like he has done in Virginia. I myself share many of his centrist positions, but at the same time, am strongly partisan and believe in the overall message of progressive politics. I think that he would make an excellent candidate for president, and I am pleased to see that Jerome will be spreading his message here on MyDD.

by Covin on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 06:37:14 PM EST

Jerome and Chris (3.00 / 1)

have consistently maintained one of the most open political sites on the Internet. Not only do they both take the time to carefully craft topics of discussion, both continue to actively participate as well as educate.

I think both have more than earned the right to actively support whomever they wish on this board. The fact that Jerome's open disclosure has even created a minimal amount of controversy mystifies me. Is there anybody on this board who hasn't been allowed to openly express a particular preference for any candidate in any way or manner?

It's absolutely preposterous to me that anybody would question Jerome's right to actively support any candidate he so chooses on his own board. Let's put this into proper perspective for just a second. Jerome purposefully kept this forum small in order to generate more meaningful discussion rather than allow it to become an echo chamber such as that which exists at KOS. It's not as if this site couldn't have already evolved into other things than what it's become - an extremely open community which produces meaningful discourse from viewpoints throughout the entire political spectrum. Given all of the facts, I don't expect this to change.

   

by Seldom Seen Smith on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 08:00:55 PM EST

Jerome... sounds like you're star-struck. (2.00 / 1)

I posted this about a week ago over at Blue Oregon as a comment to a kid who got star-struck by a powerful Republican here in Oregon...

"(Jerome),you're suffering from "celebrity awe." You've personally met someone you see on the news regularly, and you've been star struck. It happens. I think I gurgled when I met Gary Hart. I actually managed to say something when I met Doug Wilder.... about sports. ACK! Then when I went to work in radio back east, I got a "You're awesome" out to Melissa Ethridge, and a "You're funny" out to Richard Belzer. Not much better.

This trend continued when I moved to SoCal. I just stared and looked stupid at Brent Spiner in a Virgin Records, and Jimmy Smits in a Brentwood grocery store. Same thing again Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid walked into the same grocery story a couple of weeks later.

Regular people meeting famous people often causes regular people to act stupid. That's fine. It's forgivable. Now get over it. Politicians are paid to make you like them. If the experience of meeting powerful politicians wasn't a powerful tool to sway people, politicians wouldn't go out meeting people as much as they do. Politicians fill their schedules with public appearances because public appearances work.

Now that you have had this phenomenon explained to you, you need to wipe the awe-struck expression off your face and get back to work.... and next time, if you want to meet nice people, go to a pub."

Jerome, you've been sweet-talked by a powerful person that needs you more than you need him, had some cash thrown at you, and it made you tossed everything you believe in aside.

Mark Warner embodies everything that is wrong in the Democratic Party. However, I don't need to tell you that, Jerome. You already know that.

I couldn't be more disappointed in you, Jerome.

Don't bother banning me. This is my last post here.

Have a good life, Jerome.

by afs on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 11:28:08 PM EST

Puh-leez. (none / 0)

I don't think there's anything here that's gonna get you banned. But why don't you go ahead and post a diary on why you think Warner "embodies everything that is wrong in the Democratic Party," and see if you can get a response out of Jerome? I think he'd be happy to elaborate on his endorsement, if properly prodded.

As a favor to me?

I'll cook you up some nice fresh meth!

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 11:55:51 PM EST
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As a Virginian (none / 0)

I appreciate what Governor Warner has done, but I don't agree with him on the direction to take the party.  He is too willing to compromise on what I consider core party values for me to support him for President.

His 2001 strategy was to "suck up to the red counties" in Virginia, and count on the Democrats to vote for him since they had no other choice.  Even then, the argument could be made he won because the GOP then-Governor was so unpopular that pretty much any Democrat to the right of Ralph Nader could have won.

---------------- "Decisions are made by those who show up"
by rich kolker on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 09:14:30 AM EST

Stevo and Disclosure... (none / 0)

Jerome... I wanted to ask this on a long-gone (and relevant) thread, in the off chance that you still check it... 'cause I don't want to write a diary about it, and I don't want to contaminate another diary with GaryBoatwright rantings and ravings.

Why DID "Stevo" get a front-page post, given is previous lack of posting?  Did Chris know the guy?  How did he know the interview was legit, if he didn't know him?  Is he a Feingold "operative"?    

you can e-mail me this (I'll send you my e-mail) if you don't want to answer on the blog... but the complete ignoring of this is really speaking volumes to me.  I don't understand it.  Was this "Stevo" just some shmuck that lucked into an interview? Or, is this interview just a farce, and in fact "Stevo" is a Feingold staffer?

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 11:32:01 AM EST


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