Hackett for Ohio

I know there are calls for Hackett to run for the OH 2nd again. He got 48% in a CD where Bush got 64% against Kerry. I would rather he run for statewide office in Ohio. Hackett built a movement in the 2nd CD. He can build a movement in Ohio. Neither of the current Democratic candidates for Governor that are running, Coleman or Strickland, are all that exciting for Ohioans.

I know Hackett has said that he would go back to Iraq, but the battle for Ohio has been engaged. He needs to stay at home and finish the job. Hackett should run for Governor of Ohio. Or, if Sherrod Brown decides not to run, Hackett should run for the US Senate seat against DeWine. Either way, Hackett's calling in 2006 is to run statewide in Ohio.



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Well (none / 0)

he says he's going back to Iraq.

BTW, cheer up guys. Hackett got 48% in a district where Kerry could barely manage 35%. According to Charlie Cook, this is a "serious warning sign to the Ohio GOP that something is very, very wrong".

by raginillinoian on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:34:50 PM EST

Re: Well (none / 0)

yes, that quote has been floating around everywhere.
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by nwprogressive on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:44:39 PM EST
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I would argue that it's not just in Ohio. I don't think the Republicans get it yet. For all their claims of being the party of anti-government, they now acting like a party in power slow to realize that the winds are shifting against them. Right now, I just have a lot of anecdotes. Most of which is telling me that 2006 will be a very good year for the Democrats if they field candidates as strong as Hacket.Just know a lot o fconservative people who are independent leaning who keep saying they aren't happy with the national Republican leadership. I think we just have to link this to each Republican running for office.
by bruh21 on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:47:05 PM EST
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I agree with you but some people need to get a grip on what Hackett is/was not.  He's an anti-Iraq Bsuh-basher but not for immediate withdrawal. He's pro-gun.   He probably has a few other positions that I'm not wild about.  BUT HE'S THE KIND OF  DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE THAT CAN WIN IN A CONSERVATIVE OR MODERATE DISTRICT.

I didn't want to say anything until the returns came in because I was hoping that Hackett would win.  But I absolutely think he should think about running statewide, for either governor or Senator.  He's got a "folk hero" quality to him that can run both wide and deep in a state like Ohio.

by InigoMontoya on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:00:44 AM EST
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Precisely (none / 0)

and at the same time, he's loud and proud about being a Democrat, and welcomed the netroots' into the campaign, not just the netroots' money.  
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by matty fred on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:12:12 AM EST
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I take him at his word (none / 0)

It's the right thing to do a second tour in Iraq.

Much of the trust and goodwill he build with Ohioans will be greatly diminished if Hackett immediately becomes a career politician after publicly stating he would return to Iraq if he lost. John Kerry lost his first race for Congress running largely on his credentials as a Vet and still managed a fine career in public service. Hackett can do the same - just not immediately.

Let Sherrod Brown win the Governorship and then have an honest redistricting in 2010. Then candidates like Hackett won't be running in 40-60 gerrymandered GOP districts. Hackett did great fighting an uphill battle but long term we need to focus on getting the field level.

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by joejoejoe on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:29:00 AM EST
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Any word from Hackett? (none / 0)

Has he given any inclination to what he might run for in 2006?  Senate and Governor would be nice, but I don't want Schmidt to be there one day longer than has to be.
by Muboshgu on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:34:51 PM EST

let's sleep on it (none / 0)

I tend to agree, but I'd like everybody to sleep on it before deciding.
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by Carl Nyberg on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:36:20 PM EST

Re: let's sleep on it (none / 0)

In the Cincinnati Enquirer article on 8/4/04 Hackett says that he has not ruled out a run in 2006, possibly volunter for another tour in Iraq, and will go back to work at his law firm. This weekend he will be doing his monthly marine reserve duty.
by zacilor on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 04:24:47 AM EST
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50 states (none / 0)

'nuff said.

Makes me feel a lot better than November 2004 looking at my own heavily Republican district.

If the crooks have to fight and mangle to win their own backyard, then the middle is now officially wide open.

by jcjcjc on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:36:44 PM EST

Provisional votes? (none / 0)

Are there enough provisionals that the result could change?  Sorry to ask here Jerome but couldn't find the info elsewhere.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:39:21 PM EST

Re: Provisional votes? (none / 0)

DemoDan: perhaps you may want to call Hackett's campaign asap, and findout?

(513) 735-4310

Tell them that if there are over 10K prov. ballots, they should ask for them to counted in. But, they should be careful not to seem too "tin-foil-hatty", i.e. the judgement should based on reasonable estimates such as which precincts has these ballots, etc. Note also that these ballots will be counted regardless, but over time.

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by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:18:51 AM EST
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Re: Provisional votes? (none / 0)

Dan, please post here what they if you do call and get through.

thanks
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by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:20:33 AM EST
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Re: Provisional votes? (none / 0)

They have their voice mail answering.  No answer at Hamilton Cty BOE either, but as I said above there probably aren't enough to matter.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:32:27 AM EST
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Re: Provisional votes? (none / 0)

Well the election doesn't get certified until they count the provisionals so even though Hackett conceded if the provisionals change the result he still gets elected.  Last figures I heard were from the general 2004 and that was 14,000.  With only a 25 percent turnout you should only have 3500 provisionals on a proportional basis.  Not enough to matter.  Not really trying to be that tin-foil hat guy, just wondering.  Thanks for the reply.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:25:18 AM EST
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Re: Provisional votes? (none / 0)

My "tin foil" line was cautionary, and certainly wasn't refering to you :) I think it was good that you raised the point.

Remember, in 2000, Gore cameout and conceded and later had to retract the concession, and that could be argued to have handicapped him in the public opinion dept as it put him in the "protester" role owing to the concession. These miscalculations do happen even with the pros, apparently.

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by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:47:15 AM EST
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amazing night (none / 0)

Yeah, I'd call it tidal too.
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by matty fred on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:43:54 PM EST

Congressman Strickland (3.00 / 1)

I think you're seriously underating Strickland. I've seen him both at private events and the Summit County Annual Dinner and he has a real shot at beating whoever the R's nominate.

Strickland has consistently won in a tough district that includes large rurual and southern populations.

He has both a P.H.D. in Psychology, and a Masters in divinity.

He's also doing very well raising money and support from Democrats at the local level. Just the other day he had an event in Geauga County that was larger than the county party's annual dinner.

And on the issues he largely mirrors the state. He's a populist economically, he's not going to be tarred as a "gun and bible banner" while still achieving a decent rating from Planned Parenthood.

Putting someone else in that race, especially with senate unfilled would be insane.

by sean6000 on Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 11:44:38 PM EST

Seriously. (none / 0)

Strickland for Governor and Sherrod Brown for Senate is a great ticket.  There are other races than just those two.

Hackett is a lawyer when he's not a soldier.  How about Attorney General of Ohio?

How about Secretary of State, so the 2008 presidential election is clean and honest?

Failing those, he has the publicity in the east half of the district to run for state senate.  Or try to beat Schmidt, of course.  By mid 2006, it should be obvious whether the Republican Congress has gotten weaker or stronger, and if events are against the Rs, he can try again and win.

by texas dem on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:43:44 AM EST
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Re: Seriously. (3.00 / 1)

Hackett for AG would be great.  He has the law experience.
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by jkfp2004 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:19:18 AM EST
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Re: Seriously. (none / 0)

I really like the Secretary of State idea.  If there is a more important job than cleaning up the elections process, I'm not sure what it is.  Of course, he'd have to want to do it.  But with his civil affairs background, I could see him being interested.

One reason I would be skeptical is that it seems that Hackett was really motivated to go to D.C. and take care of military and foreign policy issues.  That's not going to happen in Ohio.

by space on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 06:26:19 AM EST
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Hackett: Don't Run for OH-02 Again (none / 0)

Look, let's face it, Schmidt was a TERRIBLE candidate.

And the GOP knows this. They'll put up Anthony Munoz (football hero) or Bob McEwen in a primary against her again, and one of em will get through this time.

To me, it was right place, right candidate, right time. It's good to know where to pick your battles, and, I'm sorry, but OH-02 got as blue as it will ever get in this election.

Hackett has nationwide and statewide stature, and he can make a mission out of cleaning up Ohio, first and foremost, and he needs to take the next step.

AG, Sec of State, some sort of statewide office. If he runs for 0H02 again, he stands a decent chance of losing (sorry but the GOP machine won't fuck this up again), and if he loses the same race twice, he'll get the dreaded two time loser label. Sorry, but that's politics. Move on, move up, go for it.

by bobestes on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 10:38:11 AM EST
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yeah, i was kind of stunned (none / 0)

to read that Strickland isnt an exciting candidate. He is a great candidate and will be a good governor.
by jj32 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:45:10 PM EST
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I agree so much...it bears repeating. (none / 0)


by InigoMontoya on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:02:01 AM EST

Hackett for Gov then POTUS (none / 0)

From my perspective in Texas, Paul has the right stuff to be a superstar on the national political stage.

If he's planning his long term political future, I think he should run for Governor next, serve two terms, then run for president.

Who was the last Ohio governor to become president, Wm. McKinley? I think the next should be Paul Hackett.

The guy is a natural, he has the charisma and the rhetorical skills to electrify the electorate.

by Joe on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:09:22 AM EST

not really indicative of Nov '06 (3.00 / 2)

I think Hackett did an outstanding job running his race. However, the conditions around this special election are highly unique. Honestly, one-in-a-million.

I think Hackett will get his butt handed to him if he runs for this seat in Nov. '06. The GOP base didn't really show up for this special election. In Nov. '06, it will.

I actually agree with Jerome  - Hackett should give serious consideration to a statewide race - he'll have a much better shot winning statewide than winning OH-02. And the OHGOP is truly imploding statewide. They probably don't have anyone in a position to take on and defeat a well funded statewide Hackett candidacy.

I would be extremely cautious before trying to say that Hackett's performance tonight means that Dems  are about to sweep into congress in large numbers in the fall of '06. It's just way too early to tell if that'll happen, and quite frankly very, very few of the Democratic challengers out there will be of Hackett's caliber or have his funding level (which was a hugely important factor in his performance tonight).

by blueflorida on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:10:55 AM EST

No one said that (none / 0)

Is this the trollish theme for tonight?  "Dems promise absurd victory -- road paved with Republican bones to line way from Ohio to Washington, says Bowers!"

No one is promising the Dems will sweep to power in 2006.

In fact, to a great extent, the math won't be there until 2008, since there just aren't going to be enough Senate wins to get it done in 2006.

Likewise, the early-late adopter cycle means that there will be trailing pro-Bush moderates who take a while to feel overcome by the momentum.  Odds are, it will take some Dem wins to reinforce their ability to vote Dem before those numbers show up in reality.

But, 48% of the vote in a district where any batshit crazy GOPer can get elected is a good start.  Reminicent of the Mangiardo race, admitted.

But, you gotta start somewhere.  And if the GOP can't depend on OH2, there are a shitload of districts nationwide where they're gonna have to win votes rather than just banking them.

by jcjcjc on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:36:59 AM EST
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I agree 100 percent with what you wrote. Over at D Kos there are these posters who are writing that Hackett is an aberration. That Democrats won't find other candidates like Hacket. That hackett was close because he was a soldier. As someone pointed out- we have lost with other soldier candidates. I am begining to think these posts are a concerted effort. Literally- they are all saying exactly the same things. Hackett is one in a million. So on and so forth, with nohting to substain the conclusion other than repeating the same statements over and over. either these people are pessimists in the extreme or they are trying to murk up the lessons that we maybe able to learn from OH2
by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:36:01 AM EST
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It sounds like damage control to me (none / 0)

I think the GOPers are doing the math, and realize that even if this is isolated to the OH GOP, this is big, big, big.

After all, had all these Ohio scandals rained down in perhaps August 2004, John Kerry would be president right now.

Plus, let's face facts: this Ohio race is emblematic of the modern GOP's clumsy and cruel approach to everything.

Americans are slow learners, but they will learn.  2% isn't a hell of lot of people to educate.

by jcjcjc on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 10:03:17 AM EST
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Re: No one said that (none / 0)

That Democrats won't find other candidates like Hacket. That hackett was close because he was a soldier. As someone pointed out- we have lost with other soldier candidates. I am begining to think these posts are a concerted effort. Literally- they are all saying exactly the same things. Hackett is one in a million.

Well, how many candidates like Hackett do you expect that we're going to be able to run in '06. Forgetting the soldier angle for a moment, how many charismatic, well-funded (the biggie), media-savvy, good-looking young men do you think we'll have running for congress next year? How many are going to have hundreds of volunteers pouring in from all over the country. How many are going to be able to catch the NRCC sleeping at the wheel?

You act like winning a congressional race is easy. It's not and you shouldn't pretend it is by engaging in empty boosterism.

Hackett did well yesterday. However, he took advantage of a very unique set of circumstances, circumstances that will not apply to the vast majority of congressional races, or even competitive congressional races next year.

So, yes, go do your after-action report and lesson learning from OH-02. The biggest lesson is that candidate recruitment should be a higher priority for national democratic committees than it often is. But I don't buy the idea that the Hackett race  shows that we have now "cracked the code" on how to beat the GOP.

by blueflorida on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 10:12:42 AM EST
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a) What Hackett took advantage of is something that is true across the Republican Party- corruption. The same way that it was true for Democrats in 1994. The Republicans know if we actually ever got our shit together, they would be in a lot of fucking trouble. I just know too many avowed conservatives who have a problem with the present Republican leadership. This kind of growing discontent, which will not end by fall 2006, is never good for a party in power. The only reason why we can't capitalize on it is because of mentalitysuch as yours that says it must be easy and obvious before we act.

b) I won;'t entertain conversations about how hard it is to find candidates as proxy for not trying to find candidates. It's lazy in the extreme, and not very fruitful to any discussion of strategies. Well, surprise, suprise, it's going to be hard to find candidate? Thanks for the obvious that it's hard to find good people in any endeavor in which one tries to suceed. The answer, when trying to achieve something that one really wants, is not to bend over backwards to fail by not trying, the answer is to remain flexible and nimble like a small company seeking to find solutions. Over at D Kos right now Kos has an excellent front page diary about his litmus test- which is really about some lessons that maybe gleaned from Hackett, and the types of candidates we should be recruiting. You can ignore it, but at least he's looking for solutions versus your approach- which really about nothing from what I am reading.

c) The reason why you are full of shit, is the part about boosterism- which I have yet to see along this thread by anyone supporting the notion that there are lessons we can learn from Hacketts race. When people are saying that this is an indicator of the mood in the country, you are saying to us, no, this was special. Look, Hackett was impressive, but people don't change their habits this much because of your sense of how special you think hackett is. They change at this rate because they feel a compelling need to change the status quo. I saw some interesting numbers on OH2 last night. Interesting for what I think can be extrapolated. This district was and is hard core R- for 30 years. A 70/30 spread favoring the Rs cuts into the national party ID. Party ID determines voting habits- and indeed determined it in OH2.  Nothing has shaken them from voting R regardless who has run. We've also run war veterans before- we've run war veterans who have lost 3 limbs in war. And we lost. what changed last night? A realist looking at the situation must think the circumstances have changed. That there are strategies that we can glean from this because of the changed circumstances in the country, in OH and in that district. A pessimist such as yourself searches for the obvious answers- it must be Hackett- he's special. Again, he's not.  The realist tries to figure out what happened and what's changed.

There is a lot I can say here, but for now, I think this is enough to refute your claims.

by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:33:46 PM EST
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Re: No one said that (none / 0)

a) What Hackett took advantage of is something that is true across the Republican Party- corruption. The same way that it was true for Democrats in 1994. The Republicans know if we actually ever got our shit together, they would be in a lot of fucking trouble. I just know too many avowed conservatives who have a problem with the present Republican leadership. This kind of growing discontent, which will not end by fall 2006, is never good for a party in power. The only reason why we can't capitalize on it is because of mentalitysuch as yours that says it must be easy and obvious before we act.

Democrats lost in 1994 because they were corrupt? I beg you, please say that to her,    him,         him, and him.  That's just offensive.

To address your more substantive point, is there discontent out there? You're damn right there is. But there was discontent at this point two years ago:

 FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Sept. 23-24, 2003. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Thinking ahead to this November's elections [sic], if the congressional election were held today, would you vote for the Republican candidate in your district or the Democratic candidate in your district?" If undecided: "Well, if you had to vote, which way would you lean?"

             Republican Democrat Other/ Not Sure        
              %      %         %        
    9/03       36       41       23

We know what happened there in the end. It's obvious you and I disagree on something fundamental. You think that current GOP control of Congress is a blip, a product of Democratic Strategic weakness/tactical incompetence/clueless leadership post-Clinton. I believe that there have been longterm past structural shifts in the electorate that have made it much more difficult for Democrats to build a progressive governing coalition in the short-term future. It's not me who's looking for easy answers. In your comment, you seem to have figured it all out - the American people are ready to elect Democrats to Congress because the GOP is corrupt. Let's hope the strategic answer is that easy. More likely though, it won't be. I'm all for being bold, active, and smart as a Party. I'm against being bold, active, and dumb as a Party. I think that if we try to read too much in to OH-02 in general, or start thinking that because Hackett lost by less than predicted we've suddenly found "the key" to national victory, we'll be in danger of becoming the latter.

b) I won;'t entertain conversations about how hard it is to find candidates as proxy for not trying to find candidates. It's lazy in the extreme, and not very fruitful to any discussion of strategies. Well, surprise, suprise, it's going to be hard to find candidate? Thanks for the obvious that it's hard to find good people in any endeavor in which one tries to suceed. The answer, when trying to achieve something that one really wants, is not to bend over backwards to fail by not trying, the answer is to remain flexible and nimble like a small company seeking to find solutions. Over at D Kos right now Kos has an excellent front page diary about his litmus test- which is really about some lessons that maybe gleaned from Hackett, and the types of candidates we should be recruiting. You can ignore it, but at least he's looking for solutions versus your approach- which really about nothing from what I am reading.

Wow, talk about arguing motive. First, no one's talking by about "not trying." That's a pure fiction that you invented. Second, I haven't offered an approach, because the thread isn't about offering master plans for the Democratic Party, it's about gauging how much there is to learn from Hackett's performance. My point in bringing up the difficulty of winning congressional races is to give a sense for the kind of sacrifice required and resources necessary to do win. If we don't know how difficult the task will be then we can't do a very good job in preparing to succeed now can we? The undertones of
much of what I've read in the blogosphere about distributing the Hackett model, suggest that folks don't fully understand the difficulty, and therefore are about to make serious strategic planning mistakes, or more benignly, will simply have wrongly inflated expectations for Nov. '06.

c) The reason why you are full of shit, is the part about boosterism- which I have yet to see along this thread by anyone supporting the notion that there are lessons we can learn from Hacketts race. When people are saying that this is an indicator of the mood in the country, you are saying to us, no, this was special. Look, Hackett was impressive, but people don't change their habits this much because of your sense of how special you think hackett is. They change at this rate because they feel a compelling need to change the status quo. I saw some interesting numbers on OH2 last night. Interesting for what I think can be extrapolated. This district was and is hard core R- for 30 years. A 70/30 spread favoring the Rs cuts into the national party ID. Party ID determines voting habits- and indeed determined it in OH2.  Nothing has shaken them from voting R regardless who has run. We've also run war veterans before- we've run war veterans who have lost 3 limbs in war. And we lost. what changed last night? A realist looking at the situation must think the circumstances have changed. That there are strategies that we can glean from this because of the changed circumstances in the country, in OH and in that district. A pessimist such as yourself searches for the obvious answers- it must be Hackett- he's special. Again, he's not.  The realist tries to figure out what happened and what's changed.

I wish you well in your battle to make the world free of pessimism. Your question of "what changed last night?" is good one. The point that I keep trying to make that you ignore is that several things were different about the OH-02 race. The funding level was abnormal, the candidate quality was abnormal, the opposition party candidate and organization was weaker than normal, the fact that Bush's approval numbers are at their lowest point ever was different; heck, I'd even say that Hackett's campaign organization was weaker than normal (unplanned-for volunteers and such). An even better question will be what changed last night that will still be true in November 2006, except only all over the nation. That's a much harder question to answer. The ironic thing is, we may not be able to answer produce a coherent list of "lessons learned from OH-02" until late 2006. Now, am I encouraging inaction? Of course, not. But I think you need to be discriminating in what strategic lessons you try to take away from this race. The worse thing would be for people to learn the lessons that the want to learn.

by blueflorida on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:37:34 PM EST
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All of this depends on where you start analytically. I am starting from the place of, we need to test new theories. The old theories of how to build a majority aren't working. We are like IBM of the 1980s. So risk adverse that we miss a Microsoft. Therefore, let's see what we can generally glean from Hackett. Let's test those general principles in other election races across the country. If you aren't arguing against this notion, then we aren't in disagreement.

However, I suspect you are.  I believe you are starting from the place of precaution. Or risk adversion. Pretty much most of your analysis boils down to your being risk adverse in the guise of risk assessment. Where are your solutions in the mix of risks you mention? Any seasoned lawyer will tell you that what people don't like about lawyers is when they spend time defining risks without laying out solutions. It's not a fiction that this is what you are saying because, it if weren't, you wouldn't be arguing with my pretty consistent position, and those of others such as Kos who had an excellent recitation of generalized principles today. It's about the nature of the kind of candidates we should be recruiting rather than idealogical differences. You assume, according to conventional wisdom, that Hackett is an aberration. Have we been recruiting strong candidates in the past? Have we tried to grow the party as they used to do?  Were the Republicans so thoroughly in control? Did we have this environment, and are we adapting to this environment versus the one's of the past. Maybe we will lose this election to win the next.  Most of what you say is to me a strawman when it comes to Hackett and these question. First, we've run a military guy before and failed. So, the military hero aspects can not explain people's actions if they weren't receptive to change. Clearly, we must both agree that at the very least OH2 was receptive change or else the numbers would not have shifted.  Why did they shift other than the war hero aspect- because the war hero aspect hasn't worked in the past.

Second, even if you were correct, that finding a perfect candidate (as you define it) is not possible, there are two points that need to be made here: a) who says we need a perfect candidate (70 percent maybe good enough, maybe 60 percent) and b) most districts will not be as partisan as OH2 so maybe we don't again need to run a Hacket- we just need to run stronger candidates by asking a different criteria than is presently used. The criteria we presently use is one of precaution that overanalyzes the situation, uses conventional wisdom and never takes risks to test new theories. As I have said, Kos provides an excellent run down over at D Kos of just what sort of candidates an agressive party that wants to win should be recruting. Have we recruited these kinds of candidates? Is it because of a lack of these candidates existing or because of conventional wisdom that doesn't bother to try? Does it simply do as you are doing- assume that it's hard and never tries.  You have come to conclusions pretty fast. And, yet, I find myself hopefully enough to ask a lot of unaswered questions about the environment in which we presently find ouurselves. I would be liar to tell you I know yet what this evironment is. But, I do know there is cause for me to ask the questions and want to test new theories of how to choose candidates.

Some new theories as a fact of life will fail. However, higher risks also can produce the best outcomes. Precaution will protect the status quo, but is unlikely to build anything. These are basic principles in business, that are pretty much, if you look at the Republican and Democratic strategic differences what we see in politics. The Republicans run elections ruthlessly like a business- or they used to. They have focused on finding the best candidate to run while also focusing on discplined message (overarching narrative), infrastructure and other factors. They also did what any smart business does- they took risks. I dislike Bush passionately, but the man takes smart risks.

Why I react so harshly to you: it's too early to come to the conclusions that you are reaching. Mostly what you are repeating seems to me to be some form of conventional wisdom. Well we can explain why Hackett did so well due to his being a war hero. Okay, we ran other war heros and lost. Moreover, we haven't dones any real polling analysis to understand the psychology of OH2 voters. We do know that voters right now are increasingly feeling discontent with the republican leadership. We are saying that there are some interesting things that maybe able to learned from OH2. There is an environment that favors the testing of these theories. Shiavo, SS, Iraq, Rove, Ohio coingate are all building a picture int eh American people's mind. I think, if you are serious, that your goal is not to simply be a naysayer, maybe you need to argue from the solutions oriented approach rather than a listing the risks oriented approach.

by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 11:03:40 PM EST
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Re: No one said that (none / 0)

PS

I just had a conversation over at D Kos that maybe illuminating to my real beef with your comments. I hadn't thought of it this way, but what bothers me is your certainty and in the process that you are not as open to the idea of taking risks. You maybe open to it, but it comes across in a diary sucha s this as though you aren't.

by bruh21 on Thu Aug 04, 2005 at 02:21:31 AM EST
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Re: No one said that (none / 0)

But, 48% of the vote in a district where any batshit crazy GOPer can get elected is a good start.  Reminicent of the Mangiardo race, admitted.

But, you gotta start somewhere.  And if the GOP can't depend on OH2, there are a shitload of districts nationwide where they're gonna have to win votes rather than just banking them.

Here's the thing. There was lots of similar sentiment after the two special elections that the Dems actually won - SD-AL in june '03 or the KY-06 in early '04. And there's already been plenty of excited reactions throughout the blogosphere that Hackett's performance means that dark clouds are gathering for the GOP in '06. I think that people need to understand that special elections are just that - special elections.

by blueflorida on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 10:38:40 AM EST
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Re: No one said that (none / 0)

You're right, blueflorida - I remember the sense that Chandler's win in KY-06 early last year, followed by Herseth's win in SD-AL in June (04 - nitpick), meant that the momentum was swinging our way.

Maybe it was, but if so, the GOP managed to swing it back.

I think one big lesson here is that we can't rely on just catching the wave of any sort of demographic or psychological shifts in the electorate.  The GOP is out there every day, trying to define the Dems before we can define ourselves in the public mind.  (Can you say "Swift Boat"?)  By doing so, they create their own wave; they're not waiting around for the surf to come up.  The Dem response needs to be to clearly define ourselves before they can do it to us, and go on the offensive against them.

This is why we need a hundred candidates like Hackett or Schweitzer or Bernie Sanders.  The key ingredient isn't being in the military; it's being unashamedly blue on economic issues, and each candidate's knowing which cultural issues he considers important to take a stand on - and being willing to take the time to explain those stands to the voters if they're unpopular, like Sanders does.  

Another big lesson here is that Dems can and should do well in rural America.  There's a lot of people out there who are really not doing well at all, and quite simply getting screwed over economically.  Hackett got these people to vote for him in southern Ohio, Schweitzer got them to vote for him in Montana, and Sanders gets them to vote for him, time and time again, in Vermont.

But the key is, we've got to be willing to fight on their behalf.  If we're going to let CAFTA take away their jobs, then make it harder for them to get a fresh start through bankruptcy, then they've got no pocketbook reason to vote Dem, and on cultural issues, they'll vote for the real Republican rather than the faux GOPer that we put up.

We will continue to beat the GOP in the cities and the inner suburbs.  The GOP will continue to beat us in the exurbs and outer suburbs.  But I'm increasingly convinced that we can win back rural America - if we're willing to fight for them when it counts.

by RT on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:10:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Back on point (none / 0)

You and several others flat-out were quoting Chris miles out of character.

He never promised anything in the race, yet a lot of folks seem to be slamming him for his enthusiasm, saying that Chris promised some pie-in-the-sky victory.

While Chris may seem a bit overenthusiastic at times, he's trying to maintain some amount of esprit de corps among the rank and file on the site.

After all, no one is going to donate money to an unethusiastic politico's under-represented cause.

Chris never promised anything more than a hell of a fight.  Trust me: the really hardcore political junkie likes the smell of blood no matter who wins the fight.  And they like a good, dirty run-up to the fight.

If more folks followed his lead, you'd be surprised what you get.

Too many Dems hem and haw and try to explain away.  Screw that!  Just get into the fight.

You'd be surprised how much America connects with that spirit.  There's a reason American histories are long on Alamos and Pearl Harbors and Confederate cavalry . . . because the American spirit craves the fight against long odds.

If Democrats rebuild in that spirit, they will win more races.

by jcjcjc on Thu Aug 04, 2005 at 01:57:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Great job, Jerome (3.00 / 1)

Chris/Jerome, and some active folks over at dKos: thanks and congrats for helping Paul Hackett to pull off a tremendous and stunning showing in Ohio.

Keep up the awesome work.

Neo

ps: and thanks to PH for standing up and fighting! we need heroes like you to change the sorry state of affairs in our national politics. Keep it up, and aim even higher!

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:12:02 AM EST

Re: Great job, Jerome AND Chris n/t (none / 0)


CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:13:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great job, Jerome AND Chris AND DFA and.. (none / 0)

Tim and Bob

Ditto on the congrats...

I think we need to also give a hearty thank you to DFA who mobilized their mailing list and feet on the street for Hackett.

Icy stares to DCCC who seem to be too busy navel gazing.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:34:57 AM EST
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Re: Great job, Jerome (none / 0)

And to those kind words, add a thank you to Bob and Tim from Swing State Project.  Fantastic job all around to all who helped.  Nice post Neo, thanks to you also.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:16:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great job, Jerome (none / 0)

Thanks and kudos to Bob and Tim from the Swing State Project for their relentless work on this campaign.

Neo

ps: Dan, thanks for your kind words in turn, and any news on the prov. ballots? I posted a suggestion to your comment below.

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:41:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, saw ur reply on prov.s. thanks n/t (none / 0)


CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:51:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

High turnout (none / 0)

Some people are saying this race was unique because it was a special election. I disagree. The turnout was huge. And the reason was that the anger is real. Even in GOOperland people are pissed off about the government and they want a straight shooter to set things right, not a mushy politician like Schmidt. That's also why Kerry did so poorly in rural areas. He came across as not genuine, while Hackett is about as genuine as you can get. Parts of this district are literally unwinnable - much of Clermont and Warren County, for example - but by doing this well in the rural counties, Hackett may have shown the way for Democrats to compete in places where they once did well.
by elrod on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:18:04 AM EST

not back to Iraq, Paul! (none / 0)

Bob Brigham at Swing State Project noted that his concession speech sounded like the start of a campaign.  I hope so.  Even something like Lt. Governor could be a great move, building up his statewide constituency.  He doesn't have to shoot for the moon in the first step, although I'd certainly be behind him (and so would be my wallet) if he does.

What a great night.  I'll have a difficult time going to sleep tonight, I'm so thrilled.  Who knows, maybe even down here in Georgia (where I live) things could start turning a little more purple, again, with the right candidates and enough energy.

In any case, I'll be really interested in the more detailed analyses over the next few days re: what worked, what didn't, what can be nationalized.

by arenwin on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:20:29 AM EST

Campaign observations (3.00 / 1)

Hackett's beginnings in the race reflected his political inexperience, compared to Schmidt's political savvy, but he was a quick learner. He is a most articulate and charismatic person, compared to Schmidt, who comes across on TV as pedantic.  However, she has built up a relatively larger following by virtue of her past public service.  Most people here locally never heard of Hackett before 2 months ago, and to many (those who don't follow news & politics) his name is still unfamiliar.  Schmidt will likely face primary opposition when running for the post in 2006, and she well may lose, especially if those who opposed her in the June primary unite behind one person, thus she would be a one-term Congressperson.  Hackett, on the other hand,  has a bright political future for any number of political offices in the area, should he choose.  
I believe the race was lost in large part, because those running the campaign didn't realize the importance of absentee ballots.  Many of those involved were too young and inexperienced to even be much aware of absentee ballots, which are available to all persons over 62, among others.  I believe the other side knew the value of absentee ballots.  By the time the great influx of volunteers arrived, it was too late to do the necessary work to get absentees.  The last few days there were many volunteers, but not enough organized to do meaningful campaigning.  I have to hand it to all those young people who went door-to-door in the 95 degree heat.  However, the last few days there was so much phone banking that people, including me, got several phone calls per day.  I did appreciate the "message" from Wes Clark, though.
Overall, the Hackett campaign was clean; I didn't observe attacks/dirty tricks, etc, in phoning, as opposed to the Republicans, who made calls simply maligning Hackett while not mentioning their candidates name.
Going back to Iraq: I believe Hackett has stated he would return if his Marine unit is recalled to duty, as he intends to remain in his unit.
by susie on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:23:28 AM EST

Re: Campaign observations (none / 0)

Well, here's where I'm going to kind-of sort of agree with NC Dem about infrastructure building.

Where are the old-hands of the local Democratic party who know all about absentee ballots etc.?

by Abby on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:48:40 AM EST
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Re: Campaign observations (none / 0)

Yes and no.

I think it would have been impossible to do absentee ballots for an unknown candidate. HOWEVER, now he has a year to beef up his list and his message. He should now look to get those who voted for him to file absentee ballots and prowl for new voters.

In 2006 other GOPers will be looking after their own ass and won't have the extra time or money for Mean Jean.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:00:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Since this seat has been conceded to (none / 0)

Schmidt, Hackett should definitely run for statewide office.

Keep the momentum, change the target.

by bronte17 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:31:12 AM EST

Re: Senate 2006 (none / 0)

Wow. Adding 18 points to the Democratic column in a 70-30 Rethuglican Ohio district.  Good job, Paul Hackett.  The Ohio GOP is in serious trouble.  The Michigan GOP is in shambles.  We are poised to make serious Democratic gains in the blue states and just may retake Ohio.  I have made up my mind.  I am in John Dingell's district in Michigan.  His district is safe next year.  He'll win by 70-30 or 80-20.  I will be campaigning in the Rethuglican district just  a couple miles away from me. Rep Thaddeus McCotter, you didn't beat this 18 point spread in 2004, therefore you are vulnerable and are GOING DOWN.
by roamer65 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:32:04 AM EST

State Auditor, Secretary of State? (none / 0)

Not as glamorous as Governor or Senator, but according to this, those offices help draw state legislative districts.  It'd be helpful to have Democratic incumbents in both in 2010, so that Democrats have a better chance to control redistricting in 2011.
Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:42:27 AM EST

Hackett's Speech (none / 0)

From a local ABC affiliate, video clips of Hackett's and Schmidt's speeches (or pieces of said speeches).  From what you can see of Hackett's, he is definately looking like he's just getting started.  We need to get other politicians to publicly ask Hackett to stay stateside and fight for democracy here.  It's the only way I see that would allow him to "get out" of his statements suggesting he's going back to Iraq.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2005/local/08/02/race_results.html

Next Generation Democrats
by Pitin on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:46:52 AM EST

Hackett (none / 0)

The LT governor spot with Strickland would be great. Strickland should defaintly be allowed to run for Governor and hopefully
Brown will run for Senate. I agree that it would be tough to win this district in a general although not impossible. The Point here is that, The People will vote for a Democrat they like, even in Republican Districts and there about 100 Jean Schimdts in the House. We just need to find them.

by Democraticavenger on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:52:48 AM EST

I'm Enthusiastic, Too, But... (3.00 / 1)

Back in 1988, Metzenbaum won by 14 points while Dukakis lost by 11--and that was in the SAME election.  

While I agree that the Ohio GOP is in shambles, and I agree Hackett ran a great campaign, I don't necessarily think it means the Dems as a whole are in a much better position. I think it means that--DUH!--defiant economic populism works a hell of a lot better than DLC corporate elitism.

Will the DLC corporate elitists get the message?

Would you like to buy a bridge?

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:04:41 AM EST

Re: I'm Enthusiastic, Too, But... (none / 0)

Economics all the way. What better way to unite the bottom 80% of Americans than stressing the rise in wage inequality?
by Matt42 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:20:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm Enthusiastic, Too, But... (none / 0)

I have been making this suggestion for quite some time.

The Republicans usually say "thats just class warfare!"

I usually respond with "your godamned right it is.  And Republicans fired the first shot by cutting taxes for the upper class while crushing the middle and lower class with healthcare costs and bankruptcy legislation."

by agpc on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:29:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Keep in mind (none / 0)

how weak the Republican candidate was in this race before using it as a metric in predicting what will happen in '06 nation wide or even state wide.

the Dems should definitely target OH-02 as a seat to go after in '06 though...actually every seat in Ohio should be strongly contested.

by gypo on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:06:09 AM EST

Re: Keep in mind (none / 0)

All of Ohio is up for grabs after tonite. Look at the surveyusa polling for Ohio.

http://www.surveyusa.com/Bush50StateApproval0605.htm

-17% in Ohio last month on Bunnypants.  Looks remarkably similar to Hackett's 18% gain.  Apply that shift to all of Ohio and it will be very blue after November 2006.  -21% in Michigan.  We just may absolutely decimate the Rethugs up here.

by roamer65 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:21:03 AM EST
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Re: Keep in mind (none / 0)

I think your statements about the Republican candidate's weakness is missing something. A lot of republican candidates are weak right now. They are under the shadow of their leadership. The only reason why we don't get this is that we as a party seem incapable of a disciplined narrative that will take advantage of the situation. Republicans use everything to create narrative of us- small, good, bad or symbolic, whatever it takes. We sit around questioning whether we should link Rovegate to Roberts. If you want to know how to win- start to think of each party as a personality. I think what Hacket shows it that if you control the narrative, you become more competitive even in places you shouldn;t be and even when the narrative gatekeepers don't want you to come close.
by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:42:51 AM EST
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Re: Keep in mind (none / 0)

All of which is great to know, and to work to change. How does this devalue the lessons of what this means about strategy in terms of which types of candidates are most effective or what this means about how strong messaging works better than muddled messaging?
by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:35:44 AM EST
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Re: Senate 2006 (none / 0)

What do the demographics look like with the rest of the state compared to OH-2.  Generally speaking, if the results of this election were spread over the entire state what would the projected outcome be.  Would Hackett win, and by how much?  

I know this is clear speculation, but given the great showing Hackett made how would he do against Dewine.  I think a great candidate for Senate is as important as Governor.  Dewine has name recognition, but it isn't that great.  It would be nice to see a poll with the head-to-head numbers.  I personally think Hackett could pull that one off.

by sandzen on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:16:19 AM EST

Can't compare (none / 0)

Running against an incumbent and running for a Senate seat are different from his just-completed run for the open House seat.  DeWine is weak, but he has priveleges of office.  Most importantly, Senate races are expensive.

That having been said, if Sherrod Brown doesn't enter the race, Chuck Schumer (DSCC chair) should pay Major Hackett a visit.

by freedc on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:59:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My thoughts (3.00 / 1)

I really do think this validates the 50 state strategy, but maybe for different reasons that some people think.  I think "bleeding the Rep money machine" is overrated, because it's not a static supply.  If the chips were down, I think they could come up with even more money.  I don't think we can ever outraise them.  And to the extent it is static, it is the same for us too.  The netroots don't have endless supplies of money.  The money you gave here could have always gone somewhere else.

The reason 50 state strategy works is that if you contest 50 low probability races (say, 5% chance of winning), it means you win 2-3 of them.  The problem with giving up a race is that you have to make that decision a year before the election.  When you do that, you give up any chance of taking advantage of good circumstances: scandals, prevailing political winds, etc.  

Also, the more races we run, the more candidates you run.  Some of them are bound to be good.  Hackett was perfect.  This was a Rep district, but it sort of was a double edged sword for the Reps.  I'm guessing that the district had some extra respect for a guy who actually fought in the war.

So we had the combo of a lot of factors: Reps weaker than '04 everywhere, Ohio Reps in shambles, and a good candidate who was a perfect fit for a conservative district.

The Reps have some real issues.  The gay rights, Supreme Court justices and Schiavo crap piss me off a lot, but those issues don't win elections in the tough districts we need to win to get the House back.  But the Reps have handed us a no-downside issue on a silver platter: corruption.  

That's what we need to hammer over and over, and there's no side effects of playing it.  It's hard to push a guy in a conservative district by fudging abortion, and then in the next district  the same party's candidate is heralding their pro-choice laurels.  But corruption is non-controversial, and can be played to full effect everywhere.

The Reps didn't win in '94 b/c of the Contract with America; they won because we had been in power forever, had gotten arrogant and complacent, and were scandal-prone.  People weren't voting for the Reps, they were voting Dems who had gotten too fat and happy out.

Last thing, we REALLY need to win the House in '06.  I think we can do it, and I will be disappointed if we don't.  I'm tired of moral victories.  I'm not knocking the Hackett race, because I think it truly was an incredible achievement, but at some point we need real victories.  '06 is the big one for us.  If we don't win in '06, things could get tougher for us in '08.  The Reps' missteps could be papered over by then. Midterm elections are always the best chance for the out-of-power party. If McCain wins the Rep nomination (I realize that is no sure thing by any means), we are going to be running uphill, because McCain will not have the Bush taint, since no one can claim that he was in Bush's club.

If we win in '06, it would be nice to dump Pelosi as majority leader.  I know that may not be popular, but she communicates poorly and plays bad to anyone who's not a hardcore Dem.

by alhill on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:37:36 AM EST

Re: My thoughts (none / 0)

Hackett isn't about moral victories. It's about what strategies will work on the future to take down the Republicans. You eloquently point out the reasons why strategies matter- and I agree 100 percent that some of it is just the mathematics of taking on more risk by fighting in more districts. By doing so you increase the chances you will suceed in more races rather than less.
by bruh21 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 01:46:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Issues WIN.... period (3.00 / 1)

Yes and no...

Corruption doesn't stick... as we see now. Also, it is negative and doesn't show what the Democratic values are.

Being "issue-less" is a DLC fantasy that is still be touted by "New" Centrist. Issue-less means just that ...standing up for nothing.

The importance of "Standing UP" for our values is that IT DOES PLAY WELL IN RED AREAS as you have just witness. Hackett didn't go in on his knees throwing the Democratic platform overboard in some DLC/NDN statistical strategy to win. He walked in as a proud Democrat.

The most important aspect of keeping our ISSUES in Red areas is that it opens the debate. In some places the only image they have of Democrats is the one that they hear from Rush Limbaugh... it makes the matter worse when DLC/NDN Democrats prove Rush right by reacting to his lies and tries to be more like Republicans.

That is way it is so dangerous to "move to the center" it just validates all the lies told by Rush and O'lielly.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:10:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Net Roots provides flexibility (none / 0)

The one thing that gets a little understated is that the Net Roots approach provides a great deal of flexibility.

Someone like Chris or Jerome jumps on their blog, points out the and the goal for money, and the money begins flowing within seconds.

On the other hand, the GOP is locked into a lot of corps and issue groups.  

So, while you might get individual moderates and liberals to sway a bit from their beliefs, the larger donors often have an all-or-nothing view on candidates and issues.  

Look at the Club for Growth for a fine example.

Come to think of it, ask Bill Frist in about four years.

by jcjcjc on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 10:51:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My thoughts (none / 0)

Great job by Paul Hackett. I agree that an improbable set of circumstances facilitated conditions for a close race, and that if PH runs again for Ohio 2 he will probably lose. But if he can get 48% of the vote in Ohio's most conservative district, he could be a nightmare for the Ohio GOP in '06. Senate, AG, Sec. of State (I think we have a good candidate for Gov in Strickland)... whatever it may be, he has a solid shot at a win. I really think he could knock off DeWine. So a good start for the Ohio Dems to get ready and put the beat-down on in '06.
by AC4508 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 11:40:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is he active duty or reserve? (none / 0)

Because if he's active duty he won't have a choice about going back to Iraq or not. Actually, he wouldn't have much choice if he is reserve.
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:15:53 AM EST

I am so damn sick of close elections. (none / 0)

This is why I'm a pessimistic cynic -- that way I'm never disappointed, and if I'm wrong it's a good thing.

After 2004 I knew Ohioans couldn't be trusted to do the right thing. Granted these were mostly GOP people and already pretty much unable to think for themselves. My fellow Floridians and Ohioans were made for each other.

And I got flak from some of you for saying this is why we have an electoral system: because the founding fathers knew the danger of putting too much decision-making power into the hands of the ignorant masses? Just look at the House! Proof.

You should be required to have at least a bachelors degree to vote, I swear. The peasants in this country piss me off to no end.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:22:52 AM EST

Re: I am so damn sick of close elections. (none / 0)

From what I was observing as last night rolled on, it was the unovereducated rural poor buckers who really went for Hackett. The educated corporate suburban middle class was the real Republican base.
by blues on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:51:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am so damn sick of close elections. (none / 0)

I just watched a CNN story on the election and apparently many of the rural voters thought Hackett was actually the republican candidate! You know, since they were probably blinded by his military credentials (can't possibly be a liberal!!).
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 04:14:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am so damn sick of close elections. (none / 0)

Look at it this way, if you took one aspect away from Hackett's candidacy: his status as an Iraqi war veteran, there wouldn't have been a 20 point move, regardless of the issues. Republicans couldn't question his patriotism and that made him competitive.

That's not very reassuring to me.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:17:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Jerome is right (none / 0)

I agree about the Senate seat. We need someone like him in the Senate which will help change our numbers in the Senate. We have to start to look at who's going in and pay attention to the polls. Thank god, we have a chance in Casey in Pa. beating Santorum...if Hackett goes against DeWine, thats another seat, lets start seeing if we can take back this Senate!
by julie1961 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:41:35 AM EST

Hackett for Senate (none / 0)

Ted Strickland is going to win the governorship, I would rather see him in a primary versus Sherrod Brown.  He would be a stronger candidate for Senate rather than governor.  Let's have a competitive primary for senate, and see who would be the best bet to take on Mike DeWine.  Sherrod Brown or Hackett would be able to hand DeWine a defeat.
by mleflo2 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 05:47:10 AM EST

Hackett should NOT run state wide (none / 0)

He should run for OH 2nd again in a year and it will be his... no doubt. He will have the maiking list to go for the absentee voters and will have the network to look to close that 4 point gap. Mean Jean will undoubtably make a fool out of herself in the coming months giving him plenty of fodder.

Let's not "Edwards-ize" Hackett and over-reach his true potential. It is tempting because our bench is so weak in so many states.

Alos, running for Senate would bring in all the clowns at DSCC and the DLC/NDN, who will force him to act like a Republican and he will lose.

Let's not get greedy I will be very happy to get a REAL DEMOCRAT in the Congress.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:15:29 AM EST

Hackett's gotta go... (none / 0)

...back into the military.

If he said it, he's got to do it.

If he doesn't do it, he'll be smeared by the chickenshit chickenhawks and their fat-assed allies in talk(ing points) radio.

So go; come back alive, and then run for statewide office in Ohio.

Prove that members of one party keep their promises.  Fundamentally, that's what the '06 midterms and '08 presidential elections will be about -- integrity.

by NoozMann on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 07:44:40 AM EST

Re: Hackett's gotta go... (none / 0)

No he won't.

The GOP only knows how to smear so what's the big deal anyways.

Mean Jean tried to smear him for serving in Iraq, they will always go lower. Accomodating their low downness is useless.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 08:08:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is a beginning (none / 0)

I feel bad that Hackett did not win, but I believe it is a beginning.  I live in Ohio and people are shocked at the GOP corruption in the governor's office, the coingate scandal, and everything in between.  With Hackett's candidacy, I think we planted some seeds in that deep Ohio GOP territory.  Now we need to keep hitting the opposition everyday by raising our voices with letters and phone calls.
by Marie Smith on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:04:55 AM EST

Hackett for Ohio (none / 0)

I figured that he'd run for statewide office if he lost. He generated tremendous visibility and this would make him competitive for state office. The putative AG candidate for the Dems is a friend of a friend. He apparently cleaned up the law department in Cleveland (stopped the expensive outsourcing of work and built up the quality of the civil service staff)---a record like that would be easy to promote and difficult to beat for an often obscure office. Blackwell has been such a lightening rod for corruption, that Hackett should think about Secretary of State. The Republicans will have difficulty finding someone who could redeem them from Blackwell's record. Strickland has done well in a conservative, swingish district (if memory serves, he lost the seat and then won it back) and sounds like a safe choice for statewide office. His being a psychologist helps, given that one of the many scandals of the past few years has involved the state licensing board for psychologists (they failed to adequately discipline a serial sexual abuser of patients) and there are some lame brained ideas being floated for consolidating all the occupational regulatory boards (i.e., lumping together lawyers, psychologists, hairdressers, etc.), a recipe for disater, but one that fits the attempt to save nickels to rescue the treasury.
by rich on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 09:27:22 AM EST

Re: Hackett for Ohio (none / 0)

I think Hackett's name has to be at the top of the list for Lt. Governor.  

Let's not forget that we probably have another Iraq War vet running for Sec. of State, State Rep. John Boccieri, who is actually in Iraq as we speak.  He'll be running against Franklin Co. Common Pleas Judge Jennifer Brunner.  It's likely that either former Atty. Gen. Lee Fisher or State Sen. Eric Fingerhut will run for AG.  Plus, House Minority Leader Chris Redfern has done a great job of building statewide name ID and will likely run for Auditor.  Because of the three-headed primary for Gov. and the lack of a GOP farm system, Dem. statewide downticket candidates have a name ID advantage on the GOP candidates, at this point in time.

Strickland is the candidate that the GOP fears the most because of his background, his popularity with rural voters and his "pull no punches" way of talking to people (without the profanity).  Strickland raised $1 million in just over 80 days of campaigning.  He also was not able to carry over any money from his federal campaign, while all of the GOP candidates have carried over money from other statewide races.  If Sherrod Brown gets in for Senate, DeWine will likely lose.

by Brutus Buckeye on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 11:51:43 AM EST
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Congress is where change happens (none / 0)

Jerome

Your right. Hacket has build an organization and should hold onto the momentum by expanding on it now. He can do a lot more about the Iraq mess by taking the empowerment of the constituency that he demonstrated and engaging the politicians who have gotten us into Iraq. He is a proven leader not a foot soldier.

Where I disagree is limiting his potential to Ohio in the gubernatorial race. The U.S. senate is the target. If he could do so well in a GOP stronghold he can kick ass state wide. That potential needs to continue to be directed at the congress. The Democrats would be wasting a lot of great potential otherwise.

Off topic giggle:

Fundamentalist Christian President George W. Bush showed his real hate filled Christo-fascist side to the media in the halls of congress. See the video of Bush giving the media the finger at:

Bush Flips Out OneGoodMove.org

by aahpat on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:25:40 PM EST

I dont think Hackett will go... (none / 0)

for Govenor he ran for Congress remember not a state office witch means he has interest in Congress i think he if he runs again for a statewide office it will be for the Senate. I hope he doesn't send himself back to Iraq that hell is just getting worse But we don't know much yet whatever he is does is he's choice i hope he continues in politics though (i think he is the best candidate since Bill Clintion to run for anything.) just out of wonering any idea how many Republican votes he took?
Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 12:53:05 PM EST

Hackett's future (none / 0)

Not being that familiar with Ohio politics, I wouldn't presume to guess what statewide office he should persue, but he clearly should go after something statewide. He ran a remarkable campaign, and when you look at where he ran well, you have the formula for bringing a lot of people back into the dem fold. Don't waste this guy's future with another run at OH2; he sqeezed it dry in a great race, but he can more to the table by branching out.
by thelonius on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 02:47:35 PM EST

Here are some stats on Hackett's campaign (none / 0)

Hackett's GOTV coattails not only carried him to 3.2 points of winning the seat, but they got a bunch of important levies passed -- levies that the Republicans opposed and many of which had gone down to defeat several times before.

And:

Special elections usually draw less voters than do regular elections.  But Hackett got more votes in this 2005 special election than the Democrat who ran in the 2002 mid-term got.  Granted, the same guy did better than Hackett last year, but that was a Presidential election, which draws more voters than do the mid-terms.

The lesson:

GOTV works.  In more ways than the obvious ones.

by Phoenix Woman on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:03:39 PM EST

at least it may have been a pyrrhic victory... (none / 0)

From Cincinnati Enq:

"After Schmidt won the 11-candidate GOP primary on June 14, there was a feeling on both sides that the special election campaign would not be much of a contest.

That feeling turned out to be wrong.

By the middle of last week - with cable network news crews tailing the Iraq war veteran candidate along the highways and byways of the 2nd District, and internal polls indicating Hackett was a real threat - the National Republican Congressional Committee landed in southern Ohio with both feet, pouring more than a half-million dollars into TV advertising that claimed Hackett wanted to raise taxes.

Hackett also got the attention of the Ohio Republican Party, which sent its entire field staff to the 2nd District to set up phone bank operations in all seven counties of the district."

The banana republicans were able to do this because this was a special election, but '06 they will have their own districts to worry about...maybe he can win next year....

FIRST PRIORITY:  Fix the voting process.  Here is PBS tech guru Bob Cringely:

My model for smart voting is Canada.  The Canadians are watching our election problems and laughing their butts off.  They think we are crazy, and they are right.

Forget touch screens and electronic voting. In Canadian Federal elections, two barely-paid representatives of each party, known as "scrutineers," are present all day at the voting place.  If there are more political parties, there are more scrutineers.  To vote, you write an "X" with a pencil in a one centimeter circle beside the candidate's name, fold the ballot up and stuff it into a box.  Later, the scrutineers AND ANY VOTER WHO WANTS TO WATCH all sit at a table for about half an hour and count every ballot, keeping a tally for each candidate.  If the counts agree at the end of the process, the results are phoned-in and everyone goes home.  If they don't, you do it again.  Fairness is achieved by balanced self-interest, not by technology.  The population of Canada is about the same as California, so the elections are of comparable scale.  In the last Canadian Federal election the entire vote was counted in four hours....

by indianabob on Wed Aug 03, 2005 at 03:07:18 PM EST

gotta (none / 0)

crawl before you walk, dude. Let him win OH-2 first, then let's talk.  
the lyceum
by mattgabe on Thu Aug 04, 2005 at 01:18:33 AM EST

He's the Real McCoy (none / 0)

I'm probably late in this blog, but that's because I just got back from Ohio.

And I can attest, Hackett would make a formidable statewide candidate.

He had volunteers from as far away as Texas.  Just got on a plane and landed in Cincinnati.

We all worked our butts off.  And local Dems put us up in luscious, luxurious rooms: there own homes.  

Hackett stopped by the office I was on Tuesday, followed by a troop of cameras.  In the meantime, the county executive was working the phones and calling Democrats to GOTV.  

What great fun.  Hackett told his volunteers to hang on to our tee-shirts.  

What energy this guy created.  If we had a Paul Hackett in every district, we'd be taking back the house next year.  

In person, he is exactly the way he comes across on television.  A cool breath of fresh air.  Totally unscripted.  And although I never heard him early on, those who did said he got stronger and stronger as the campaign went on.

 

by notime4lies on Thu Aug 04, 2005 at 02:39:10 AM EST

My two cents worth... (none / 0)

Lists need to be coordinated and crosses off once contacted.

Too many volunteers were callng the same names over and over again.  

And t