Second Bowers Blogopshere Memo to the Democratic Establishment

Two weeks ago, with tremendous help from the New Politics Institute, a report Matt and I wrote about the structure of the progressive political blogosphere was distributed to Democratic staffers, activists and officials around the country. Although I have no distribution network for this addendum to that memo except my blog and my personal email list, I would like to alert the entire Democratic establishment to something very important that happened within the netroots over the past twenty-four hours: the meteoric rise of Russ Feingold following his announcement of an exit strategy that included a timeline, firm dates, and total troop withdrawal.

For at least three decades, on a federal and statewide level American politic campaigns have been defined by television ads. As a result, a profession, even a culture, has built up around televised political ads. Now, almost every campaign has what they call a "number mover" ad: the sort of ad that it hopes will shake up static public opinion. Of course, as New Politics Institute keeps reminding us, in three years half of the homes in America will have some form of replay television, and won't be watching nearly as many, if any, commercials. In this developing environment, how does one go about moving numbers? That is a difficult question to answer, and if I had a blanket response that would work everywhere I'd be a multi-millionaire consultant.

However, while I don't have a blanket answer, like many others who spend their days amongst the netroots, I have known for some time exactly how a prospective Democratic nominee could move his or her numbers without running a single ad of any kind. Actually, it is rather simple: offer a real plan to get out of Iraq.

Don't believe me? Look at three candidates from the first two Dailykos community 2008 straw polls, Clinton, Feingold, and Edwards, who have been battling it out for a distant second behind Clark. You can find the June poll here and the July poll here.

	     June     July 
Clinton     36.8%    37.0%
Feingold    35.6%    35.5%
Edwards     27.6%    27.5%
(Note: Percentages reflect the percentages of votes each candidate received from the combined total of Clinton, Feingold and Edwards votes)

Clinton, Feingold and Edwards had nearly identical, and static, support among the netroots in these two polls. Now, look at the numbers in the August straw poll, one day after Feingold declared that he supported a timeline with fixed dates and a real plan for withdrawal:

	    August
Feingold    53.0%
Clinton     25.0%
Edwards     22.0%
(Note: numbers as of this writing)

Now that is what I call moving numbers. One single policy proposal completely altered the way the netroots saw these three candidates in relative terms. And that is in one day, with one policy. There is, quite simply, nothing else a candidate could do to move support in the netroots as quickly as this, period.

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Now, I know that this begs a lot of questions (questionable use of phrase noted). The first such question is whether or not the netroots really are as non-ideological in their support of Democratic candidates as Markos of Dailykos claims they are. My answer is no, though by no means a complete departure from his position. We are ideological, but there are a number of generally non-ideological reforms in the Democratic Party desperately sought by the netroots:

  • Improved intellectual infrastructure. The netroots is extremely frustrated by the vast think-tank apparatus on the right, and wishes for few things more than a full-fledged progressive counter to this apparatus. We are getting killed on think tank funding, which results in being devastated in think tank media mentions, which itself results in shifting the national debate to the right. Almost unanimously, we are behind the efforts of Democracy Alliance to make this a reality.

  • Improved Progressive Media. Again, the netroots is fully supportive of efforts by Air America and others to build real progressive media, and establish a flourishing progressive media marketplace to rival that currently possessed by conservatives. While we do not believe that such media necessarily has to favor one Democratic ideology over another, we do believe that it has tangible benefits for progressivism and the party as a whole.

  • Electoral Strategy. I am not going to revisit the recent clashes between the netroot, the DCCC and other party committees here. Instead, it should suffice to say that netroots supported projects such as Leave No District Behind and Project 90 reflect a division behind widely held strategic visions among the netroots and the Democratic establishment. Again, this is a strategic issue, rather than an ideological one.

  • Party Reform. The entire reform Democratic movement online generally focuses not on ideological divisions within the party, but rather on building an effective opposition movement to modern Republicans. A quick five bullet point summary of what it means to be a Reform Democrat can be found here.
These are vast organizational and structural issues that concern wide swaths of the blogosphere and are not, at least primarily, issues that should cause ideological divisions within the Democratic Party.

Now, that being said, that does not mean when it comes to ideology that the progressive netroots are an empty vessel into which any candidate may pour her or his ideas. It also does not mean that the netroots are generally representative of the ideological predilections of the Democratic Party as a whole. Rather, it can be said with little doubt that the progressive netroots are noticeably to the left of the Democratic leadership, and to the left of Democratic rank and file. Even though we are extremely, if not primarily, concerned with the four non-ideological issues facing the Democratic Party that I listed above, no one should ever make a mistake that, when considered as a whole, the progressive netroots would find a very comfortable home within the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

A look at the chart in this post should help in making this clear. It is from a poll of Dean activists conducted by Pew earlier this year, and Howard Dean remains the living, patron saint of the progressive netroots. As you can gather from this chart, netroots Democrats overwhelmingly self-identify as liberal or progressive, vehemently oppose the Iraq war, favor gay marriage, etc. Thus, while Democrats who take the structural and organizational challenges facing the party seriously will receive tremendous support online no matter their ideology, when it comes to choosing something like a Presidential nominee or a committee leader, our first choice will be to go for someone who is both interested in reform and is a progressive. (Of course, since we are also "pragmatic," we do also support candidates who we believe can win. Thus, for example, we witnessed Feingold's precipitous fall from his original position as the 2008 netroots favorite early this year following his divorce. Also, witness the tremendous online support for Rep. Chris Bell in his run for Governor of Texas. We are not naïve enough to believe that a wild, flaming lefty can win where he is running.)

If you want to effectively communicate with the netroots, and if you want to effectively harness its power, then you need to recognize that we are ideological as well as reformist. We are Reform Democrats, but we also tend to be Progressive Democrats. We are also much, much more powerful than we were in mid-2003 when Dean began his meteoric rise. Imagine where we will be in 2007. Just keep that in mind if you are running for President, or crafting a national message on Iraq, or really anything else on a national level. Ideology is by no means the only thing that drives us, but it does drive us.

Oh yeah, and if you think the way Feingold's numbers moved online by announcing a plan for withdrawal was remarkable, note that was the one area where the netroots are more conservative than the rank and file according to Pew.


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This has been obvious for at least a month (none / 0)

At this point it is nearly impossible to conceive of any realistic result in Iraq that would propel a robust hawk to victory in the Democratic primary.

Support for the war has been steadily shifting as Bush and the neo-cons continue their disastrous failure to do anything right in Iraq.

Did I miss a poll about Democratic opposition to the war recently? The only one I recall had roughly 60% disapproval from the general public!

How do you translate that to disapproval in the Democratic party? At least 70%? Higher?

Are the hawks expecting some amazing turn around in Iraq? Do they think it is a minor issue?

Are you kidding me?

How can anyone even fantasize about accomplishing anything positive in Iraq after two more full years of Bush mismanagement?

Does anyone think Bush and Rummy will see the light and start over achieving in Iraq?

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 08:48:34 PM EST

There's a void waiting to be filled (3.00 / 1)

Feingold filled it with his announcement.
Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 09:32:01 PM EST

force the issue for the Dems (3.00 / 0)

A brainstorm:

The blogosphere could organize an effort to survey Congressional Dems (and candidates) on the Feingold withdrawal date.

Do you support the Feingold withdrawal date?

a. yes
b. I support a definite date but the Feingold date isn't soon enough.
b. I support a definite date but the Feingold date is too soon.
c. no, there should be no date.
d. undecided
e. other

We could agree on a deadline and then compile and publish the results.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 10:26:25 PM EST

Pedantry (1.00 / 0)

You're misusing "to beg the question."
http://skepdic.com/begging.html
by fwiffo on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 10:29:09 PM EST

Back off fool (3.00 / 1)

I've seen this discussion several times and am not impressed. Try complaining about something important like typos.
by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:37:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pedantry (none / 0)

Yeah... surely you have also seen that 'begging the question' is used outside of the strictly Logic meaning, in just the way it is used above.

So no matter what your little dicto-page says, the way that it is used above is quite common and well-understood in popular usage.  Therefor, it is correct.

by teknofyl on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 10:53:36 AM EST
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The power (3.00 / 1)

This memo gets it right on.  The Washington Dems are seeing their power diminish as it goes to us.  By 2007, the blogs will be huge in picking the nominee.  I think that Feingold all but announced his candidacy for President today.
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 10:32:19 PM EST

Re: The power (none / 0)

But how do yo reconcile the fact that the netroots are made up of people who are significantly different from the rank and file party supporters?    Candidates who take tougher positions and come off more critical and yes, more liberal, always seem to do better on the blogs than do candidates who take more centrist positions and are less critical in absolute terms.  But unfortunately, this also means that these candidates, while doing well in primaries where only dems vote, will do much worse in general elections if there is an alternative from the republican party who can appeal to more centrist voters.  

There seems to be a disconnect here. While I am all for decentralizing power and providing a platform for progressive politics that otherwise would not see the light of day given the way the party elite seem to run things, what good does it do if the blogs produce nominees as per your prediction, who are not viable? Indeed, I believe part of the problem is that there is a fundamental disconnect between party rank and file and the netroots in what determines viability.  

by andydrum on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:25:21 AM EST
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The non-Ideological MYTH (3.00 / 0)

The only disconnect is from the DLC hijacking the party in 1992. They traded two terms of presidency for the house, the senate, the supreme court, the state governors and any future presidencies.

Clinton was the DLC/New Democrat candidate in 1992. Rather than answer the Reaganite myth of the welfare queen, Clinton pandered to it and gave us a "welfare reform" more punitive than anything Reagan-era Republicans could have wrested from the Congress. Following the advice of his DLC advisors to not appear too close to his party's base - which had nowhere else to go, anyway - New Democrat Clinton took a couple days off during the campaign to fly back to Arkansas and pull the switch on a mentally impaired black convict, and attended an Operation PUSH event specifically to upbraid young black activist Sista Souljah. Once in office, it was Bill Clinton's DLC advisors who prevailed upon him to make passing NAFTA his first priority rather than working to fulfill his campaign promise to make medical care available to everyone. So it was that during his first two years as president, the only years during which Democrats controlled the Congress, Bill Clinton called in all his chips to get DLC/New Democrats in Congress to vote against the majority of their party caucus and join with the Republican minority to pass NAFTA, directly causing the loss of millions of US jobs to low-wage labor markets elsewhere in the hemisphere.

So pardon me if I do not believe the non-ideological MYTH that the DLC and others like to circulate that the problem  with the Democratic party is because of it's diverseness...

  • Blacks do not have a problem with unions...
  • Unions do not have a problem with women and...
  • Women do not have a problem with gays...
  • Corporatist have a problem with EVERYONE.

The party base has gotten tired of being kicked in the head by the Democratic leaders... all in the name of corporatism. The DLC and Others can even find data to back uo their claims that it is because of abortion that Democrats are losing ....but they are more than willing to dump women over board... because they can lure more corporate lobbyists their way... they can't even say we will lose races in the deepest red areas...because Hackett just put that myth to bed by running against the local president of a Anti-Choice chapter and came damn near winning...

So WTF is the problem with ideology....ie believing in something and standing up for it?

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:42:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

Nothing is wrong with ideology.  What I was saying, and it is thoroughly backed up by Chris's data above in the original article, is that the netroots are not made up of party rank and file.  If you want to nominate candidates that do not reflect the positions of the rank and file, much less those of centrists, you have to reconcile that ambition with the competing one everyone shares- to win elections.
by andydrum on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:51:52 AM EST
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Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

And I would be careful reading too much into the Hackett election.  That's one case, and an extreme case at that.
by andydrum on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:53:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

Don't buy it....

The Hackett election was pure unadulterated Democracy in action... ie the DC bureacrats had nothing at all to do with it. I think most people would agree that Hackett would have never made it throught the "pre-screening" of the Dem Establishment... they would have looked at "Mean Jean" and tried to find a Democratic equivalent... ie an anti-choice wingnut...

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:58:31 AM EST
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Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

I actually will buy it a bit.  Here's why (and I admit that all I know about the race is what I have read, but my point does not rest on intimate knowledge with the race itself).

The candidate that Hackett was challenging was a very weak, right?  She was under investigation for multiple potential ethics violations as I understand it, and Ohio itself has been a complete mess over the past year at least with the coingate scandal and now Governor Taft being indicted.  

All I would say is resting the argument that "the more liberal netroots can help gather up money for candidates in local elections who would not have been the establishment's choice and win races in the reddest of districts", on this partiuclar election, is suspect because we didn't win. And coming close under the circumstances would have been easier than under other circumstances- if for example the state were not in a mess because of the republican party, the republican candidate were not under investigation for ethics, and the governor were not being hounded by similar accusations.  That's all.  

by andydrum on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:14:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

So how do you explain Brad Carson... who lost to a verifiable lunatic... he was the darling of the DLC and the NDN ... he ran to the right of a wingnut and STILL FAILED.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:53:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

Well, now we are definitely getting into territory that I do not know much about, but at least one difference between those elections is immediately evident.  The Hackett election was a low-stimulus one with- as far as I can tell, about a third of the turnout that district had during the presidential in 04.  The OK Senate race however recived a similar turnout to the OK Presidential race, and so both were high.  Since OK trends conservative ideologically and republican by partisan identification, there was a steeper hill to climb for Carson.  Despite this, he closed the gap between Coburn and him from the very large gap between the President and Kerry- by like 20 points I think.  

So my hunch is that these elections are not really comparable in any meaningful way.  Too much has happened since the 04 race to change the dynamic of the 05 special election.  Too much is different between Ohio and OK regarding the political climate at the time of the elections.  Too much is different in terms of the relative turnout that manifested in each election.

But your point that a DLC candidate couldn't fair as well in a red state against a wingnut as a netroots candidate could in a red district against an embattled republican also rests on a second point which differs between these two races.  You say that Carson ran more conservatively than Coburn.  I do not know if this is accurate, but I have no reason to doubt that he ran to the right to gain voters.  A quick check of the partials from that election shows that he lost independents and he lost many more democrats to Coburn or the independent in the race than Coburn lost to him or the other candidate.  Dems weren't as faithful as republicans.  On the other hand, Hackett differentiated his politics to an extreme degree against Schmidt.

This seems to be the basic difference between an untraditional candidate and a DLC candidate.  But I think equating Carson with the kind of candidate that would be put up by the party in most cases is not exactly fair, especially if you say he ran to the right of Coburn.  That would lose the election any day of the week.  So I think we can't exactly compare these elections, and I think the candidate in the OK race was probably not your typical moderate dem.

by andydrum on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 01:27:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The non-Ideological MYTH (none / 0)

First of all I think that the entire "polling" system is WRONG... because it does not measure true impact... that is why we get the Hacketts and why the Carsons although "equates" on paper doesn't pan out in reality.

Primarily... the assumptions that go into these polling are WRONG and the polls are just used to CONFIRM or DENY the assupmtion... it does NOT tell the reality of the situation.

That is the problem... the DLC and OTHERS have made an assuption (pulled from their buttocks) that in order to win the party must move to the right... where they get this from is NOT based on fact, they make up survey's like the lastest Democracy Corps cow pucky that reinforces their assuption... in order to "realise" their assuptions they have decided to just beat the base into submission...

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 02:14:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't forget (3.00 / 2)

that Hillary spoke at the DLC conference, which likely cost her some support as well.
by kos on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 10:36:02 PM EST

Netroots are White Hot (3.00 / 1)

The criticism of Hillary was more about her speaking at the DLC confab than the content of her speech.

The Netroots are a potent force -- but the fact that the digital information that motivates it is received in discrete bits, removed from the larger context, tends to amplify certain facts while ignoring others. (All media does this, and  each form has it's own distinct power.)

The DLC is a Netroots red flag, which cost Hillary points -- regardless of merit of her statement.

We are still early in the learning curve, in applying the power of the Netroots for maximum beneficial effect to the Democratic Establishment. Paul Hackett was a quantum leap forward; flame wars, on the other hand, are usually unproductive.

by ck on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 10:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Netroots are White Hot (none / 0)

The flame wars won't end until the DLC is dead.
by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:33:48 AM EST
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Re: Netroots are White Hot (none / 0)

Some things deserve to be flamed.

Like the DLC.  In the words of some anonymous Enron exec... "Burn, baby, burn!"

by teknofyl on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 10:42:30 AM EST
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That's lame (3.00 / 0)

Everything Hillary has done in the last six months has cost her support in the Democratic party. You can always find some other excuse to point to, but this poll was about the war and nothing else.

(1.) Co-sponsoring Santorum's Religious Freedom in the Workplace Act
(2.) Not casting a vote on bankruptcy
(3.) Not a single issue on her website that is either pro-union or pro-working class
(4.) Casting her lot with the Democratic Losers Club
(5.) Continuing to cater to Beinart's "robust liberal hawk" militaristic pro-Bush, pro-Iraq war position.

I give up. Name one thing Hillary has done right in the last six months, no strike that, in the last year that would increase her popularity in the Democratic party.

I could add the sins of her bonehead husband, which probably has not helped:

(1.) Speaking in favor of the Iraq war
(2.) Making a favorable statement about privatizing Social Security
(3.) Spending way too much time with Bush 41, even if it was for a good cause
(4.) The Presidential libray thingie or dedication where he let Bush 43 be a publicity hog.

And I probably missed a couple of strikes for both of them. BillandHillary have been way too friendly and not near critical enough of George Bush and the Republican Party.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:32:25 AM EST
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Re: Don't forget (none / 0)

What exactly is your problem with the DLC?
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 04:34:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't forget (none / 0)

The DLC wants to advance a toothless 'Democratic' party.  They basically want to put themselves in power, but run a corporatist economic agenda that is indistinguishable from many Republican economic ideas.

Why would anyone want to trade in a Republican government for essentially the same thing with a '-D' on the end of it?

Bottom line is that the whole 'what's good for corporate America is good for America' line isn;t true any more.  We cannot cut taxes, give away the whole country, and generally let business control every facet of our lives.

We cannot capitulate on social issues so that we can squeeze in some extra benefits for DLC sponsors.

Besides... I'm STILL pissed 'bout NAFTA.  The DLC can suck it, because NAFTA still sucks, and it only led to more crap.

by teknofyl on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 10:48:12 AM EST
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Re: Don't forget (none / 0)

The DLC wants to advance a toothless 'Democratic' party... you mean ..as in..."NON-IDEOLOGICAL"
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:05:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Feingold... (1.50 / 2)

Feingold hasn't a chance.  A twice-divorced single liberal from Wisconsin isn't the person Americans will choose to be their President.
by HoosierJosh on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 11:44:48 PM EST

electability (2.25 / 4)

What do you think the next election is going to be about?

Let me guess. You think the candidate you are supporting is more electable.

Like Kerry was more electable than Dean? Or Gore was electable than Bradley?

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 11:50:45 PM EST
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Re: electability (3.00 / 1)

I think elections are always about electability, but Kerry was never as electable as some people thought he was.

Whatever the 2008 election is going to be about (way to early to say just yet, isn't it), one could deduce that the religious right won't play as much of a role as it did in 2004--unless say, a two-time currently single divorcee is the standard bearer of the Democrats.

by HoosierJosh on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 11:56:34 PM EST
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ideas matter (none / 0)

You seem to have contempt for ideas.

And the "1" rating you gave me wasn't cool.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:54:55 PM EST
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Re: electability (none / 0)

It looks like a difference of opinion deserves a "lame" rating. Fine with me. If we're handing out ratings based on our opinion of an opinion, here's a 3 Carl.
by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:35:45 AM EST
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Edwards was more electable than Kerry (2.00 / 0)

and Dean would have lost by 15%.
by Cyt on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:46:01 AM EST
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Re: Edwards was more electable than Kerry (none / 0)

You have a crystal ball?
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 11:53:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

rather lose with Dean than Kerry (3.00 / 1)

  1. You're just making a claim that can't be verified.
  2. I'd rather lose by 7 points with Dean than by 2 points with Kerry.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:53:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gulianni too (none / 0)

Let's also mention that: Guilianni hasn't a chance. Even though he leads and switches off in the top of the pack in Republican Primary polls, lets face it. He's a twice-divorced, cheated on his wives, liberal mayor from a liberal state in the northeast. This guy doesn't have a chance!

Now guys, let's get back to reality, and finally say something that doesn't sound like it's coming from the DLC or Zell Miller.

by KainIIIC on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 05:58:24 PM EST
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Litmus Test (none / 0)

I'd like to see one more litmus test added to the set. The Democrats running for President tend to have a base of voters, and they have more power in helping shape the agenda in their states, partly because they are Governors or Senators. They also are more popular in a given district, state, or even state house district than a generic Democrat with no name ID.

The test would go something like this: If you want to be president, prove to us that you can help get Democrats elected throughout your state, because you've pitched in to their effort.

We should at some level make the point that instead of sitting on the large amounts of money they've raised, it would be more benefical to how the candidate is seen if they spend 100k on helping other Democrats get elected, than if they spend 1 million putting their media, and consultant teams together.

That should be the ultimate litmus test. IE. Hillary can no doubt help in a couple of NY districts where she is hugely popular, and a Democrat is running against an incumbent. Same goes for Bayh, who has three competitive districts in Indiana.  Edwards has at least one race in his state.

One person politics will be completely useless especially if the person wins the presidency but has to deal with the likes of Tom Delay.

On a side note, ads that move numbers tend to reinforce the message you've been carrying door to door, and talking about during your election. I don't think they can be effective without that work beforehand. It's a quick way to synthesize what you're saying about yourself, or your opponent. While broadcast is dying, synthesizing what you have been saying on the road for a year, or driving a message home shouldn't be looked at badly per se', especially since they come right before the election.

You're not arguing that point in your post, but I wanted to clarify that even with dying saturation, some Ad's will have to be around and ads that synthesize several messages you've had during the campaign are a tool.

by Kombiz Lavasany on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 01:15:34 AM EST

Except those are not IDEOLOGIES (none / 0)

but ... STRATEGIES.

n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies
  1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.

  2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.

Therefore, the netroots, grassroots, party base is INDEED very IDEOLOGICAL. There are STRONG BELIEFS that the government has no business in a woman body and strong beliefs in civil rights.

Black Commentator on STRATEGIES.

The DLC's mission is to erase the last vestiges of social democracy from the Democratic Party, so that the corporate consensus will never again be challenged in the United States. Acting as a Republican Trojan Horse in the bowels of the Democratic machinery, the DLC claims the "real" party lives somewhere off to the right, where George Bush dwells, and that minorities, unionists, environmentalists, feminists, men and women of peace - virtually every branch of the party except corporatists - must be purged or muzzled.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 04:55:02 AM EST

"Twenty-four hours" (none / 0)

over the past twenty-four hours: the meteoric rise of Russ Feingold following his announcement of an exit strategy that included a timeline, firm dates, and total troop withdrawal.

Hmmm... what else has happened RECENTLY....

Perhaps, Russ is also getting a little push from the Vigils for Cindy wave.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 07:42:52 AM EST

Re: "Twenty-four hours" (none / 0)

Absolutely. Any pro-war Democrat is going to have to answer Cindy's question. What is the noble purpose our sons and daughters are dying for?

For Dem Presidential wannabees fixing Bush's mistakes is a noble cause. Staying the course is supposed to be a noble cause.

Democrats can't ignore Cindy's question any more than Bush can. Any politician in either party who does not support Cindy is going to lose votes, both from their base and from independents. Not just Cindy, but all of the Gold Star Moms of fallen heroes are authentic and genuine voices whose message will resonate in both parties. Bush's base can try to deny them, but over time their voice will whittle away the conscience of any and all voters.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 08:08:35 AM EST
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Perspective... (none / 0)

Lets imagine for a second that there is a magic number needed to win an election that is known in advance (it is always known after the fact but bear with me).

That number is say 48% of voters. (I am picking numbers out of the air but bear with me) I say 48% not 50%+1 because some 3% vote for non dem/gop candidates.

Of that 48% lets say 36% are dems and 12% aren't  again the numbers here are not critical.

OK here is my point.

Even if you can get 100% of dems on any given issue.  Which Trust me you CANNOT on ANY single issue.

You still need to get that 12%.  You cannot move your platform beyond what that 12% will tolerate.

Many people lose sight of the goal and think that if they control the 51% portion of the 36% that their ~18% total can tell the rest of us how its gonna be.  Just keep in mind No matter how much the 18% talks, supports a specific candidate or cause or gives money etc etc etc.

At the end of the day the 12% who are NOT EVEN DEMOCRATS decide whether we win or lose.

Be honest with yourselves regarding how this 12% will vote on issues like gay marriage and we can craft a winning platform.  Be dishonest and we cannot.

IMO being against any form of war is not a supported issue among the 12%

by donkeykong on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 09:05:20 PM EST

Re: Perspective... (none / 0)

Substitute the last sentance with

IMO being against every form of war is not a supported issue among the 12%

by donkeykong on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 09:08:16 PM EST
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