The 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America

by Chris Bowers, Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:01:27 PM EST

There's a new right-wing book out called 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America. Markos makes the list at #52, James Wolcott at #64, and Katha Politt at #74. Go bloggers, but I have to say I am disappointed I failed to make it (maybe someday). By the way, that makes Markos and Wolcott greater threats than David Duke according to the author. I have included the list in the extended entry.

Anyway, its counter-list time. List off as many names of people who you think are "screwing up" America. Remember--they don't just have to be political,a nd they don't have to just be Republicans.

  1. Michael Moore
  2. Arthur Sulzberger
  3. Ted Kennedy
  4. Jesse Jackson
  5. Anthony Romero
  6. Jimmy Carter
  7. Margaret Marshall
  8. Paul Krugman
  9. Jonathan Kozol
  10. Ralph Neas
  11. Noam Chomsky
  12. Dan Rather
  13. Andrew Heyward
  14. Mary Mapes
  15. Ted Rall
  16. John Edwards
  17. Al Sharpton
  18. Al Gore
  19. George Soros
  20. Howard Dean
  21. Judge Roy Moore
  22. Michael Newdow
  23. The Unknown American Terrorist
  24. Lee Bollinger
  25. James Kopp
  26. Dr. Martin Haskell
  27. Paul Begala
  28. Julian Bond
  29. John Green
  30. Latrell Sprewell
  31. Maury Povich
  32. Jerry Springer
  33. Bob Shrum
  34. Bill Moyers
  35. Jeff Danziger
  36. Nancy Hopkins
  37. Al Franken
  38. Jim McDermott
  39. Peter Singer
  40. Scott Harshbarger
  41. Susan Beresford
  42. Gloria Steinem
  43. Paul Eibeler
  44. Dennis Kozlowski
  45. Ken Lay
  46. Barbara Walters
  47. Maxine Waters
  48. Robert Byrd
  49. Ingrid Newkirk
  50. John Vasconellos
  51. Ann Pelo
  52. Markos Moulitsas
  53. Anna Nicole Smith
  54. Neal Shapiro
  55. David Westin
  56. Diane Sawyer
  57. Ted Field
  58. Eminem
  59. Shirley Franklin
  60. Ludacris
  61. Michael Savage
  62. Howard Stern
  63. Amy Richards
  64. James Wolcott
  65. Oliver Stone
  66. David Duke
  67. Randall Robinson
  68. Katherine Hanson
  69. Matt Kunitz
  70. Jimmy Swaggart
  71. Phil Donahue
  72. Ward Churchill
  73. Barbara Kingsolver
  74. Katha Politt
  75. Eric Foner
  76. Barbara Foley
  77. Linda Hirshman
  78. Norman Mailer
  79. Harry Belafonte
  80. Kitty Kelley
  81. Tim Robbins
  82. Laurie David
  83. The Dumb and Vicious Celebrity
  84. The Vicious Celebrity
  85. The Dumb Celebrity
  86. Chris Ofili
  87. Sheldon Hackney
  88. Aaron McGruder
  89. Jane Smiley
  90. Michael Jackson
  91. Barbara Streisand
  92. Kerri Dunn
  93. Richard Timmons
  94. Guy Velella
  95. Courtney Love
  96. Eve Ensler
  97. Todd Goldman
  98. Sheila Jackson Lee
  99. Matthew Lesko
  100. Rick and Kathy Hilton



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pretty easy to start (none / 0)

Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Bill O'Reilly

by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:07:25 PM EST

Got to hand it to him (none / 0)

He beat Byron York's record for "Most Left-Wing Boogeymen in One Book."  Must be proud.

I'd nominate:

The Dumb Right-Winger
The Vicious Right-Winger
The Dumb and Vicious Right-Winger
Chris Berman

by strannix on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:09:29 PM EST

Chris Berman? (3.00 / 1)

I think Chris Berman is great. He makes sports fun, unlike assholes like Jim Rome.
by Chris Bowers on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:11:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'd also add... (3.00 / 1)

Oh, and also Chris Bowers, for supporting the continuing reign of terror that is Chris Berman.

Sorry Chris, I had high hopes for you, what with all the liberal politics and all.  But you're either with us or against us in this fight.

by strannix on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:15:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'd also add... (3.00 / 1)

I agree with Crhis.  While people like Chris Berman and Dick Vitale can be pretty annoying at times, I really can't argue that they really love what they do and for the most part seem to know what they are doing.  That is something that can't be said about many people, especially perceived know-it-alls like Jim Rome who embodies virtually every negative sterotype about sports that one can generate.
Mark
by Mark J. Bowers on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:37:29 PM EST
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Re: I'd also add... (none / 0)

Egads!  Apparently he's screwing up America at such a rapid rate that I'm the only one left who sees it.

I guess I can accept that.  But the next time he describes a homer as being "halfway to [the next state]!!", only for it to land in the first row of seats, remember that you called him knowledgable, and hang your head in shame.

by strannix on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 05:22:38 PM EST
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Re: Chris Berman? (none / 0)

Do you guys have to be so hot and cold on EVERYTHING!  I love Berman and the Jungle.  No problem in my eyes.
BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:34:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Got to hand it to him (none / 0)

Why Chris Berman?  Is it because he endorsed Lieberman?
Councilman Bill Painter
by Painter2004 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:17:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Kind of overlooking the obvious.... (none / 0)

George W Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Donald Rumsfeld
Tom Delay

etc

by Keith Brekhus on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:10:55 PM EST

Re: Kind of overlooking the obvious.... (none / 0)

TONY PERKINS
by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:12:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Kind of overlooking the obvious.... (none / 0)

Richard Simmons
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:47:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Kind of overlooking the obvious.... (none / 0)

Don't forget Tony Little. ha
by Salty on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:44:04 PM EST
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Re: Kind of overlooking the obvious.... (none / 0)

Democrats are Saints?  I noticed there are only Republicans on your list.  Maybe someday someone will creat a truly relevant list that will include the real fools, without regard to politics.  There are certainly many on both sides....just as there are good ones on both sides.
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:50:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jimmy Carter??? (none / 0)

Uhm, isn't he, like, building houses for poor people???!!!  Ooooo-Kayyyy...  

(Kinda Bummed HD's only #20.  He obviously has a lot more work pissing the GOPers off to do!)

I'd leave Shrum on the counter-list.  And, aside form the usual suspects add Matt & Katie.

by poemless on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:13:31 PM EST

Re: Jimmy Carter??? (none / 0)

He also won a Nobel Peace prize.
by wayward on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 06:48:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Jimmy Carter??? (none / 0)

JFK won a Pulitzer Prize.  Does than make him a hero because he won a prestigious award??  What about all the stuff that went on while he was president that the press didn't dare to print  (guess everyone was afraid of Hoover at the time)?   But I would like to know what Carter has done to get on the list...guess I'll have to read the book.   I think he's better as a citizen than he ever was as president.
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:53:53 PM EST
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I've got one (none / 0)

Bernard Goldberg
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:13:34 PM EST

Oh this can be fun... (none / 0)

Let's start with:

All the Walton heirs
Bush
Cheney
Rove
Ashcroft
Rumsfeld
Wolfowitze
Feith
Perle
Norquist
DeLay
Coulter
Limbaugh
The Enron execs
From
Reed
Carville
Novak
Libby
Helmsley
Bruno
Dobson
Falwell
Terry
Robertson
Reed
Gonzales
Sweeney

that'll get us started.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:14:02 PM EST

Re: Oh this can be fun... (none / 0)

Discussion of Berman and Vitale aboves reminds me to add...

Bill Walton

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:48:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh this can be fun... (none / 0)

Also for "our" list:
Tim LaHaye
Dick Morris

Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:53:27 PM EST
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Re: Oh this can be fun... (none / 0)

Bernard Goldberg himself, too...the book's author.

Also, some representative of the Coors family, since they've been helping bankroll the Religious Right for decades.

Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:57:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh this can be fun... (none / 0)

Well...this is a more valid list..at least it includes a few Dems.
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:54:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is too easy (none / 0)

Bush
Cheney
Rove
Wolfowitz
Rumsfield
Wolf Blitzer
Chris Matthews
Tim Russert
Bill Frist
Denny Hastert
Tom DeLay
Santorum
Jeb Bush
Ken Blackwell
Scalia
Thomas
Rhenquist
The Ahnold
Rep. Bill Thomas (CA)
Joe Lieberman
by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:14:08 PM EST

Re: This is too easy (none / 0)

don't agree with Russert...
by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:15:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is too easy (none / 0)

Why you don't think his pimping of GE and NBC along with this Administrations goals helped to sway a nation's perceptions of Bush?
DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 07:35:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

one more... (none / 0)

Gary Bauer

by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:14:21 PM EST

ummm.... (none / 0)

George Steinbrenner
Barry Bonds
The H2 marketer
Dave Camp (R)(Mi-4th)  (I just had to put him in)
Suppress this, mutha scratcher.
by chanupi on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:15:47 PM EST

Re: ummm.... (none / 0)

The H2 marketer

Good call. I'd add the H2 buyer.  Nothing says "desperate to project Status" like rolling around in an H2.

Along the same lines, I'd nominate "Guy Who Decided It Would Be Cool To Put TVs in Headrests".

by strannix on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ummm.... (none / 0)

TV's in headrests...OK in my book.

TV's in backseat headrests = funny on MTV's Pimp my ride.

Suppress this, mutha scratcher.
by chanupi on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:31:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The H2 Marketer (none / 0)

Isn't he governor of California?
by Geotpf on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:20:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This isn't ranked, but here goes (2.66 / 3)

Obviously, Osama Bin Laden. If we're just talking about Americans, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, almost anyone on CNN, Roger Ailes, James Dobson, Rupert Murdoch, Pat Robertson, Tim LaHaye, Walmart's executives, Jerry Falwell, Antonin Scalia, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Tom DeLay, almost anyone on MTV, Michael Bay, (I'd say Jerry Bruckheimer, but The Amazing Race is a force for good). Martin Lawrence, Vin Diesel, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Grover Norquist, Stephan Moore, Ralph Reed, Bill Donohue.

As for Democrats and the like, Michael Moore certainly isn't helping. Joe Lieberman is undermining Democratic unity. But I can't think of any Democrats who are doing as much as any of the above to screw us up.

by Gpack3 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:20:46 PM EST

Get A Clue! (1.00 / 1)

As for Democrats and the like, Michael Moore certainly isn't helping.

He's fucking #1 on their list!  What the fuck more do you want???

by Paul Rosenberg on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 02:37:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not quite sure what you mean by this. (none / 0)

I think Moore is doing some good, and some bad and it's hard to tell sometimes if the bad is outweighing the good. He certainly doesn't belong at the top of the list, but I'm not in complete disagreement with the author of the above.
by Gpack3 on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 03:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What I Mean Is That Michael Moore ROCKS! (none / 0)

If Michael Moore was on their side, none of them would ever write such a thing.  But we constantly find fault with our most effective spokespeople.

Look, I'm not saying that everyone should be like him.  I'm certainly not saying that he doesn't make mistakes.  He's human.  We all make mistakes.  But he goes all out and puts his heart on the line, and does it with a smile.  When no one else will speak up, he will.  And that creates a lot of space for other people to say and do whatever it is they have to say or do.

I just think it's a crying shame when people use that space to take pot shots at his back.  It doesn't hurt Michael Moore a bit.  But it damn sure hurts the rest of us.

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Jul 08, 2005 at 02:08:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This isn't ranked, but here goes (none / 0)

Michael Moore is only a target because we let them (the right) attack the messenger and duck the content.

Michael Moor makes documentaries/movies/screeds/whatever and he clearly and openly has a point of view which he supports in his work. Rather than address the content, they attack the messenger and we let them shift the conversation. They think it's terrible to suggest that the administration is too cozy with th e Saudi's and that the Saudis are not behaving like friends. That's not wrong and it's not scandalous.

As my mother used to say "Consider the source."... but you have to also consider the content. If we let them villify people who have the balls to speak truth to power (Moore, Dean, Wilson, Clarke, O'Neil, etc...) then we are lost.

by elemgee on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 11:44:24 PM EST
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Re: Michael Moore? (none / 0)

Heck no...don't duck the content!  It's the CONTENT that makes Michael Moore a fool...or maybe he makes fools of the people who allow him to distort and take things out on context?  Calling President Bush a "liar?"  Really?  I think to lie about something means you knew it wasn't the truth...to find out you were wrong after the fact simply makes you incompetent.  Moore did a couple of really good things (the car thing and Bowling for Columbine) then destroyed all his credibility with his ridiculously distorted and outright false "evidence" of his stupid movie (yes...I watched it).  Remember what Will Rogers said: "believe 1/4 of what you hear, 1/2 of what you read, and 3/4 of what you see, and you'll be alright."   So many wannabe-ultra liberals take what Moore said at face value and began to rant and rave against our government and president.  All you need to do is a little online research to discredit nearly half of what he asserted in his "movie".  Looks like Will was right.  But if it fits what you want to believe, why seek the truth?   If you LOVE Michael Moore, you are no more guilty that President Bush of not seeking the FACTS.   Guess you have more in common with him than you thought (or would have liked).

by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:47:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You can't think of any??? (none / 0)

You must live a sheltered life...you can't think of any Democrats who are screwing up America?  Do names such as Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Nancy Pelosi ring a bell?  I think maybe Al Gore is smarter than we all thought...he's sure distanced himself from these borderline radicals.  I wouldn't put him on the list...but I'm glad he isn't my president.  God help us (maybe I shouldn't have invoked his name of this website?) when Hillary becomes president...thankfully John McCain has enough sand to defeat her../but it will be a close one.
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:37:42 PM EST
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Who are these people? (none / 0)

Arthur Sulzberger

Anthony Romero

Margaret Marshall

Andrew Heyward

Lee Bollinger

Dr. Martin Haskell

John Green

Jeff Danziger

Nancy Hopkins

Peter Singer

Scott Harshbarger

Susan Beresford

Paul Eibeler

Dennis Kozlowski

Ingrid Newkirk

John Vasconellos

Ann Pelo

Markos Moulitsas

Anna Nicole Smith

Neal Shapiro

David Westin

Ted Field

Shirley Franklin

Amy Richards

Randall Robinson

Katherine Hanson

Matt Kunitz

Barbara Kingsolver

Eric Foner

Barbara Foley

Linda Hirshman

Laurie David

Chris Ofili

Sheldon Hackney

Jane Smiley

Kerri Dunn

Richard Timmons

Guy Velella

Eve Ensler

Todd Goldman

Matthew Lesko

Rick and Kathy Hilton

There sure are a lot of anonymous threats to America. And why is Judge Roy Moore on their list?

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:21:20 PM EST

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Peter Singer is a philosopher who has argued for animal rights, and for legalizing infanticide for severely brain damaged children.

Barbara Kingsolver is a novelist.

I assume Rick and Kathy Hilton are Paris and Nicole's parents.

Eve Ensler wrote the Vagina Monologues.

Jane Smiley is another novelist.

Anna Nicole Smith is a former Playboy Centerfold who married a rich old man, inherited a lot of his money, got fat then less fat and now stars in a reality show and advertises weight loss supplements

by Gpack3 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:27:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

I would think Anna Nicole would be their kinda gal... she earned her money the old fashioned way.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:53:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Oh yeah. The blonde. How is an air head blonde a threat to anyone except old rich white guys?
by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 05:20:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

<<<<How is an air head blonde a threat to anyone except old rich white guys?>>>>

Um, isn't that the POINT of their list?  Anyone who's a threat to old, rich white guys?  She's just a more....direct....threat.  ;o)

by Phenobarbarella on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 05:46:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rick and Kathy Hilton (none / 0)

Are Paris's parents.  Nicole's parents are Lionel Richie and Brenda Harvey-Richie.
Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:24:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rick and Kathy Hilton (none / 0)

Paris' sister's name is Nicole. Isn't it? I'm aware that Nicole Richie is not Paris' sister.
by Gpack3 on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 03:16:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rick and Kathy Hilton (none / 0)

I think they call her Nikki, but yes, you are right...Paris and Nicole (Nikki)'s parents.
by leifolson on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:19:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

>>why is Judge Roy Moore on their list?

I heard the author on with Hannity yesterday afternoon... To his credit (I guess), he said that defying the higher court order to remove the Commandments was a blatant example of "judicial activism"...

Of course, Hannity said some bullshit like, "well you know, the people down there support him for it"... (my wording; not exact)...

hank

by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:27:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

then -- again to his credit (I guess) -- he said this was a judge acting under the color of law, in his official capacity... very different than say, Judith Miller, a private individual acting out of civil disobedience...

...cut off anything ridiculous Hannity was about to say further...

hank

by HKingsley on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:34:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Matthew Lesko will sell you books late at night about how to cash in on govt grants and tax breaks.

Markos Moulitsas is Kos from DailyKos.

Suppress this, mutha scratcher.
by chanupi on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:28:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Margaret Marshall is the Chief Justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.  She's the one who wrote the 2003 same-sex marriage decision.

Scott Harshbarger ran for governor of Massachusetts as a Democrat in 1998, having served as the Attorney General.  He lost due in part to the Democratic machine's failure to bring out the vote for him in the cities as payback for some corruption cases he brought against some of their cronies.  He was also president of Common Cause for a while, a few years ago.  I have no idea why he's on this list, let alone so high.

.08 Acres
.0000016% of Massachusetts Political Commentary
by sco on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:38:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

And Guy Velella is your standard everyday crooked politician. Why he stands out and any number of others don't is beyond me... other then he got caught.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:52:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

And Kozlowski is the TYCO guy. I'm sure he and Kenny-boy lay are on the list for the same reason Valella is... they got caught.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:53:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Bollinger is the former head of Michigan Law (now Prez of Columbia I think) who wond a SC decision to keep affirmative action in place.

Romero head of ACLU.

Randall Robinson; Civil Rights scholar/historian who argues the case for reparations.

Kozlowski; former head of Tyco.

The Markos dude; no idea, but he sure does not sound American.

Sulzberger is publisher of the NY Times.

Progressive Philadelphia Politics: Young Philly Politics
by DanielUA on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:58:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

The Markos dude; no idea, but he sure does not sound American.

As a commenter above pointed out, Markos is Kos of Daily Kos.  You don't get much more American than that.  And "Does not sound American?"  What is that supposed to mean?  "American" is not an ethnicity.

Time was, Steinberg and O'Leary "didn't sound American" to some.  They were wrong.  Draw your own conclusion about what it might mean for people to think that  about Wong or Hussein or Moulitsas Zuniga today.

by paperwight on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:41:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

the Markos dude; no idea, but he sure does not sound American.

I think that's called humor.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 09:21:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Ah.  Color me stupid, then.  That's not humorous where I come from.  That's serious where I come from.  Hard to tell tone on the internet.
by paperwight on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 02:51:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Lee Bollinger is the President of Columbia University.  He was a law Professor at the University of Michigan and then served as President there.  (He was considered for Larry Summers job at Harvard.)

He was named as the defendant in the affirmative action case at the University of Michigan's law school..

by Abby on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:17:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? - Jeff Danziger (none / 0)

Jeff Danziger - lefty cartoonist from Vermont.  Syndicated by the NYTimes.
DanzigerCartoons.com
Jan. 9. 2004 - "Club for Growth", My favorite cartoon
Reid DeWolfe Book you should read: "All the Kings Men" by Robert Penn Warren
by Reid on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 07:53:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Shirley Franklin (none / 0)

Mayor of Atlanta, from 2001 to present.  I have no idea how she could be screwing up America, unless she's making America's "progress" since 2001 look bad when compared to Atlanta's.
Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:27:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shirley Franklin (none / 0)

yeah, she's done a good as mayor, but she's got a that "D" in fron of her name insteaad of an "R", so she's on the list.
by jj32 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:34:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who are these people? (none / 0)

Michael Gross is the dad from the show Family Ties.

http://www.blamemichaelgross.i8.com/

by jcjcjc on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 11:20:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obviously, You Need To Find Out! (none / 0)

Who are these people? Hmmmm....

Eric Foner is one of America's top historians. Check out his wikipedia entry for a good intro, and/or check out his homepage.

Jane Smiley is one of America's top novelists. There's a bibliography here. A Thousand Acres is her retelling of Shakespear's Lear.  She also wrote a very sharp post-election election essay.

And Barbara Kingsolver is no slouch, either, though she admits she wrote her first novel in closet.

Randall Robinson is the former President of TransAfrica Forum, the one person most responsible for defeating Reagan's support for South Africa, and mobilizing the American sanctions movement.

Eve Ensler, maybe you've heard of The Vagina Monologues.

Etc., etc., etc.

by Paul Rosenberg on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 03:14:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL this is a good quote (none / 0)

About a country where as long as anything goes, as one of the good guys in the book puts it, sooner or later everything will go...
by turnerbroadcasting on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:22:07 PM EST

Scaife brothers... (3.00 / 1)

anyone?
by Nazgul35 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:22:33 PM EST

Excellent! (none / 0)

I have found a lot of cool and worthwhile stuff by checking out the people the blockheaded people who write stuff like this hate the most...

Their record is not perfect.. but its almost.. but every once in a very great while they will throw a 'real' evil person in there just so they can pretend they care about real right and wrong..

Lets toast to the right's anger..

I hope that the result of the right's extremism won't be extremism of the left.. like it was in Russia, China, North Korea, etc.. You know, the REAL 'leftists'.

(To the hope killers out there.. Thats what happens when people really give up hope.. FYI.
Its not pretty.

You don't realize it but FDR probably saved your sorry asses.. )

by ultraworld on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:48:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Courtney Love???? (none / 0)

I mean.. after that film, I hate her too..

But..??

They REALLY must be desperate now...

by ultraworld on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:50:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ha! (none / 0)

The "right's anger?'  The only ones you hear that are saying I HATE this person or I HATE that person are on the far (and not so far) left.  If the Democrats don't start distancing themselves from the fringe element, we run the risk of becoming irrelevant (yes...I'm a democrat).  And if you just HATE what I said or HATE me for saying it...well...we all know where you belong.

by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:31:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Aaron McGruder? (none / 0)

And yet, no love for Tom Tomorrow.  Too bad.

And if I'm Joe Conason, I'm crying in my whiskey right about now.  Not even as dangerous as Courtney Love?  A whole career, wasted!

by strannix on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:25:48 PM EST

What, You're Surprised He's A Clueless Idiot? (none / 0)

If he's going after historians, then why Foner, but not Zinn?

It he's going after novelists, then why Smiley and Kingsolver, but not Morrison, or Walker?

If he's going after Tim Robbins, then why not Susan Sarandon?

And if he's going after Julian Bond, then why not John Lewis?

And, speaking of Morrison and Walker, where's the black intelligencia, anyway? Skip Gates? Manning Marable? Michael Eric Dyson?

Wait, I take my subject line back. This guy gives clueless idiots a bad name.

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Jul 08, 2005 at 02:27:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Scott Harshbarger? (none / 0)

What the hell does Goldberg have against Scott Harshbarger?
.08 Acres
.0000016% of Massachusetts Political Commentary
by sco on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:29:22 PM EST

how about the bush pioneers type (none / 0)

and the funders of the lowest of the right wing noise bullshit like whitewater and the swift boats, i.e.

Richard Scaife
Sam & Charles Wyly (of "Republicans for Clean Air" fame)
Bob & Doylene Perry, T. Boone Pickens (Swift Boats)
the Bass family
etc.

by snaktime on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:29:29 PM EST

Re: how about the bush pioneers type (none / 0)

Yes!
And some representative of the Coors family should be on the list, too. They've been bank-rolling the Religious Right for decades.
Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:55:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No Clinton's???? (none / 0)

Begala makes the list but Clinton doesn't?

BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:35:05 PM EST

how about... (none / 0)

The baby formula marketer.

breast is best.

I'm holding my bouncing baby girl while trying to comment...

Suppress this, mutha scratcher.
by chanupi on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:35:11 PM EST

The first people that came to mind (none / 0)

George Steinbrenner and Gary Bettman.
"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 04:50:25 PM EST

Paul Weyrich! (none / 0)

Paul Weyrich should be on "our" list. He's considered the grandfather of the Religious Right.

See the William Martin Chavanne comments under the glossary entry for "Christian Right"

http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/glossary/glossary.htm

Isebrand.com and Religious Right Watch
by IseFire on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 05:00:18 PM EST

Michael Savage? (none / 0)

Why is he on here?  Could be a typo and they really meant Dan Savage?
by pessullivan on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:10:01 PM EST

Off the top of my head, a quick list (none / 0)

Grover Norquist
Morton Blackwell
Kenny Boy Lay
the bush boys
Gingrich
Alberto Gonzales
Saxby "turn the sheriff loose and arrest every Muslim that crosses the state line" Chambliss
Franklin Graham
Mitt Romney
Bob Barr
John Ashcroft
Condi Rice
Phyllis Schlafly
Rove
Schwarzenegger
Negroponte
Scaife
by bronte17 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:12:57 PM EST

In addition to the usual suspects (none / 0)

I'd add C. Boyden Gray.  He's currently serving as Fox News analyst covering the supreme court nomination fight.

He served as George H.W. Bush's white house counsel and founded Citizens for Justice an advocacy group dedicated to getting Bush's judicial nominees on tthe bench.  He's a major force in the Federalist society.

He's really big on the non-delegation doctrine--a belief that Congress can't delegate broad rule-making powers to agencies like the EPA..

Also Ted Olson, former solicitor general.

by Abby on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:22:10 PM EST

Rick Santorum (none / 0)


by Hiram615 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 06:37:25 PM EST

more (none / 0)

Pataki

Schwarzenegger

Mario Scalzi - look him up

Bill Frist

Agent Curveball

George Bush Sr.

Bob Woodward

The Guggenheims for giving up on Political Art all together.

Clarence Thomas

Rupert Murdock

DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 07:29:28 PM EST

A couple of my head (none / 0)

Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum in drag, aka Melissa Hart

Stephan Moore

Pat Toomey

Pat Robertson

Georg W. Bush

Grover Norquist

Ken Lay

Jack Welch

Councilman Bill Painter
by Painter2004 on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 08:28:13 PM EST

Ruining the Ohio and the Nation (none / 0)

Governor Bob Taft
Former Speaker Householder
Blackwell
Jim Petro
Betty Montgomery
Ohio GOP

nationally....
Ann Coulter
Michelle Malkin
Rush, O'Really, Hannity, Scarborough
AHrnold in Calliefornia
Britt Hume
Geraldo Rivera
Karl Rove, Cheney, W
The Wyly Brothers (owners of Michael's Crafts and Swift Boat Contributors)

by Marie Smith on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:39:56 PM EST

Re: Ruining the Ohio and the Nation (none / 0)

Bob Taft has turned Ohio into a sinkhole.  I can't believe I voted for him!
by halo on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 11:29:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh Oh (none / 0)

Shouldn't have named Eminem... It will be fun to see him ripped on in song... as Chris Rock said at the MTV video awards...  Nobody has a beef with eminem... I'm not gonna make fun of Eminem... There's just too many words that rhyme with Rock.  
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:52:14 PM EST

100 people screwing up America (none / 0)

I must nominate designated hitters(pick your favorite). Then there are the rest, in no particular order.

Judith Miller
James Dobson
Cardinal Karl Richelieu
Ariel Sharon
Walden O'Dell
Mel Gibson
The Joint Chiefs of Staff
Kenny G
Tom Friedman*
David Brooks*
John Tierney*
Sandra Day O'Connor
Bjorn Lomborg

*Like flying, long periods of boredom, interrupted by moments of stark terror.

by Docsilver on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 09:59:41 PM EST

Re: 100 people screwing up America (none / 0)

Mel Gibson? What's he done except make a lot of entertaining movies? OK...I see it now, your reason. He's short. OK...that's good. ha
by Salty on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 10:08:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

jimmy carter? (none / 0)

i don't get it? why is jimmy carter on this list? that makes no sense to me.

i'd add to the list:

mike leavitt

wal-mart (i know it's not a person, but it's still screwing america)

by ypsilanti on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 10:00:30 PM EST

Re: jimmy carter? (none / 0)

Wal-Mart!! Thank you. Great suggestion. Wal-Mart is China's economic Fifth Column.
by Salty on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:49:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: jimmy carter? (none / 0)

I agree...Walmart sucks.  Walmart is the tapeworm of American society.  
by halo on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 11:23:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Chris Berman????? (none / 0)

Sunday NFL countdown isn't as good as Monday NFL countdown, but look, it's 11:00 AM on a Sunday fer crissake.  Does anyone even know where their eyeballs are at that time?

The too easy part:

Phyllis Schlafly
Joseph Ratzinger
Anita Byrant (I don't buy the "my husband made me do it" bullshit)
Henry Kissinger
Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan
Adnan Khashoggi
Licio Gelli
Gus Kouwenhouven
Omar Hassan El-Bashir
Nick Griffin (British National Party)
David Miscavige

by vachon on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 10:01:05 PM EST

ESPN alone is worth 50 names (none / 0)

Wow.  ESPN really sucks.

Stuart Scott.  Chris Berman.  Whatever set of tits and ass their selling this week.  They should also be blamed for further popularizing Jim Rome.  

What else can we blame them for?

Repopularizing bowling without somehow invoking the movie Kingpin often enough.

Showing any Derek Jeter highlight -- ever.  Christ, that guys moves like a wounded animal and they pay him to play shortstop?!

Which brings us to anything Yankees/Steinbrenner.

Oh, shit . . . the entire Baltimore Ravens organization.  They're a drain on civilization, and set black folks back fifty years minimum.

Phil Jackson, because he's a megadouche who coaches megadouches.

Sports alone could make this into a 1000 name list.

by jcjcjc on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 11:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ESPN alone is worth 50 names (none / 0)

Thanks for getting my back on Berman.  It's you and me against the world, apparently ....
by strannix on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 04:08:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Anyone shooting at Chris Berman (none / 0)

Deserves someone to triangulate fire at the bastard.
by jcjcjc on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 10:51:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, goodie.... (none / 0)

Ann Coulter

Rush Limbaugh

Michael Savage

Bill O'Lielly

Sean Hannity

Michelle Malkin

Charles Johnson

Alan Colmes (for making people who've never actually met one believe that's what a liberal is)

Assorted other, less well-known wingnut ranters, ranked in order of their willingness to distort and insult, not necessarily the severity of their actual views - hate radio is one of the most corrosive things to happen to public discourse, ever.

Richard Mellon Scaife

Turd Blossom

Big Time Dick

Tom DeLay

Bill Frist

Dennis Hastert

James Dobson

Jerry Falwell

Ralph Reed

Laurie Mylroie

Britney Spears

Mel Gibson

Grover Norquist

Doug Feith

Richard Perle

William F. Buckley

Ken Lay

Whoever the heck invented reality TV  ;o)

by Phenobarbarella on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 10:07:48 PM EST

"Ask Lesko!!!", lol (none / 0)

I can't believe he made it on here. He's annoying, but hardly screwing up america. Here's a picture incase you were curious, or just wanted a laugh. http://deadcantrant.com/shared/images/photo.matthew_lesko.gif
by who threw da cat on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 10:17:54 PM EST

David Broder (none / 0)

Favors politicians based on their demeanor rather than their content.  Allegedly the most influential political columnist in America.  He loved W and hated Gore.
by David Kowalski on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 11:08:41 PM EST

Re: David Broder (none / 0)

Forgot to include Milton Friedman, Jude Wasinski, George Gilder, George H.W. and Barbara Bush, and Katherine Harris.  Friedman's economics have been used to justify screwing people left and right and also have glorified the "investor" (aka stock market speculator) at the expense of everybody else. Wasinski popularized that nonsense along with George Gilder in separate books during the Reagan era, the Bushes raised some crummy and selfish children, and Harris is self-explanatory.
by David Kowalski on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 03:28:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Phil Donahue? What decade is this?! (none / 0)

Phil Donahue hasn't fucked up anything other than MSNBC since . . . well . . .  Does anyone even know?!

Frankly, I am amazed no one has mentioned Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Linus Torvalds, etc.  While I don't think they're screwing America up, I figured there'd at least be one closet Slashdotter hiding around here who would say it.

Go figure.  Impressive discipline, everyone, for staying away from the dreadfully obvious answers.

My contribution to the list:

The goddamned Moonies.  Rev. Moon.  No question.

The Moonies are at least as bad as the Scaifes in promoting the batshit crazy right wingers.  

Worse, the Moonies provide a bridge between the corporate conservatives and the religious conservatives.

by jcjcjc on Wed Jul 06, 2005 at 11:09:33 PM EST

Re: Phil Donahue? What decade is this?! (none / 0)

Amigo....you're going to have to explain to me how Bill Gates has done anything wrong. He invented something most of us use and made money off it. I thought that was called capitalism. He didn't have to give it away.

The Moonies? Are they still around? Don't tell Tom Cruise. He'll join up. hahaha

by Salty on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:53:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

add a few to the list (none / 0)


  1. Paul Bremer, manage to lose track of 9 billion dollars in Iraq.

  2. George Tenet; c/n spot a lie or faulty anaysis

  3. Anyone who relied on George Tenet's CIA analysis.

  4. John "the Bully" Bolton; probably stole milk money other children's milk money as a child.

  5. Zell"spitball"/"traitor" Miller;

  6. Katherine Harris;

by chaka on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 01:10:11 AM EST

Re: add a few to the list (none / 0)

Heck, it's entirely possible that John "the bully" Bolton stole milk money from children as an ADULT.  :)
by leifolson on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:29:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They left Bill and Hillary off the list? (none / 0)

I thought that got you thrown out of the Republican Party
by v2aggie2 on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 01:39:57 AM EST

A couple I haven't seen mentioned yet (none / 0)

Matt Drudge

Clear Channel Communications

Bud Selig

And FWIW, Stu Scott = bad; Chris Berman = good.

by TheLagerLad on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:42:33 AM EST

What about (none / 0)

The Good People at ExxonMobil?

Other GOP Moneybags.

by mysteve on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 11:20:37 AM EST

John Kerry? (none / 0)

Is it me, or did they leave John Kerry off of their list?

And if they did, what does that say about the choice of Kerry as our Presidential nominee... we picked a guy who couldn't even get on their Top-100 enemies???  Sheesh, we gotta try harder next time.

BTW, could we please, PLEASE add Mike Krzyzewski to the list?  Thanks.

by BigModerate on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 11:30:34 AM EST

Re: John Kerry? (none / 0)

Remember, though, neither John Kerry nor the Clintons are named, most likely so the author can use that fact to claim legitimacy to his list (in other words, to assert he isn't just going after the most visible leaders on the other side).  Of course, that's exactly what he's doing, but that won't stop him from saying otherwise.
by sensical on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:58:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: John Kerry? (none / 0)

John Kerry's not on the list because he's irrelevant now.  Fortunately, he didn't get the chance to screw up America.  (I still can't believe we picked HIM!) (Did we want to get even for the Republicans picking Bob Dole?)
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 08:05:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What about...? (none / 0)

I think we need to add CHARLTON HESTON and all past, present and future rulers of the NRA to our list of people hurting America...at the very least, they are hurting lots of Americans.

Also, ROBERT NOVACK.

by leifolson on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 07:36:18 PM EST

Re: What about...? (none / 0)

The NRA is hurting America? And how's that?
by Salty on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 10:10:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What about...? (none / 0)

OK...here's a funny true story about the NRA.  Several years ago they sent me a questionairre...one of those with the questions worded so obviously pro-gun that you'd seem like a pro-communist flaming liberal tre-hugger if you said no... Qustions like:
1. Do you believe that it is the duty of every American citizen to protect their country and support the Second Amendment by owning a gun?  Check Yes__ or No__.

Well...I checked all the no's (anyway, I actually think gun ownership is protected by the 9th, not the 2nd).   I sent it back (enclosed NO money)..chuckling to myself...feeling self-righteous... and yep..sure enough...two weeks later in the mail came my new membership card for the NRA.   I still have it.

by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 08:11:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I would add... (none / 0)

Ahnuld
Mel Gibson
Tom Cruise
The "Hollywood Elite" the neo-cons always forget.
by SusanD on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 08:10:40 PM EST

The Book (none / 0)

ANybody here actually read the book?
by stacyb on Fri Jul 08, 2005 at 04:46:38 PM EST

Hmmm (none / 0)

I am suprised he didn't attack Britney Spears and Lil Bow Wow while he was at it....ha. What a crock of bullshit - the real people screwing up America are the people like him and...

The Bush Family
The Bush Administration
The People who want Marijuana to stay illegal
and of course
Any extreme right-wing who believe it is their job to tell everyone what to do (i.e. In our country we have the freedom to be whatever religion we want - well then why doesn't it feel that way...because the right-wing assholes like to push their views onto everyone and they try to pass laws going against the Consitution - i.e. Gay Marriage and Anti-Abortion laws...Gay marriage is only wrong in religious views...but we have the freedom to be whatever the f*ck religion we want and the same goes for Prolife - in who's eyes is it wrong? God's? Well, God isn't an American citizen and not everyone in this country needs to believe in him)

A Note - A am a Christian and I'm straight but I think personal freedoms whould not be taken away...why is it that in this country...where we are suppose to be free...we opress certain people? We did it to the African Americans and now we are doing to the Homosexuals and Pro-choice Americans. But I am guessing in 10 years people will be talking about how in the past we opressed these people and now we celebrate their differences...because that is what always happens. Now we celebrate that there are people of different races in our country but in the past we frowned on it. I only hope that the same thing happens in the present day situation.  

by Unfortunate420 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 05:35:35 PM EST

100 people (none / 0)

Even for a republican, the author should have enough knowledge of current events to place George W. Bush at #1 on the list. We all know it's true, stop denying it. Some of these I slightly agree with, but they're the ones that make life more entertaining... I've never seen a conservative do that.
by MRAMERICA on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 11:24:45 PM EST

Re: 100 people (none / 0)

Then vote for someone else next time...oh...never mind...I forgot he won by over a million and a half votes.  Yours and mine wouldn't mean much.

I just thank the wiser middle America that we don't have the likes of Al Gore (the lesser of two evils) or John Kerry (the greater) trying to lead this county from their fallout shelter at Camp David.  No we just have to worry about Hillary.  I wish Bill could run again.

by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 08:15:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

100? ... at least (none / 0)

  1. GWB
  2. Ken Lay, Bernie Ebbers, Kozlowski, (any exec who makes more than 500x workers salary)
  3. Rush Limbaugh
  4. Hannity, Coulter, Levin, and all the other Limbaugh clones
  5. Dobson
  6. Murdoch
  7. Rove
  8. Cheney
  9. Rummy
  10. John "Lost to a dead guy" Ashcroft (I know he's out, I don't think he's gone and he certainly made his mark)
  11. Scaife
  12. Herman Goering (his spirit lives on in the propaganda machine ... no, I didn't call anybody a Nazi... I just note that the tactics employed by HG are alive and well in the Bush administration)
  13. Santorum
  14. Colin Powell (for not standing up and being the guy he used to be and for letting this administration drag him throgh their crap)
  15. Disney/Time-Warner/GE/media conglomerates
  16. Pharmaceutical companies
  17. Insurance companies
18...
by elemgee on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 11:55:37 PM EST

100 people screwing up America (none / 0)

Did everyone forget Bernard Goldberg as one fo the 100 people screwing up America.  I watched him on the Daily Show last night, he was very combative and couldn't justify any of his arguments. Jon Stewart smacked him down pretty good but he tried to give him a chance to explain himself. Once Bernie couldn't then Stewart shut him down, for good reason.  Just goes to show that if we had more Stewarts in the Democratic party we would be back in power.  
by orbitis1058 on Thu Jul 14, 2005 at 01:54:49 PM EST

Re: 100 people screwing up America (none / 0)

Jon Stewart is just funny, and you have to play along...no matter what.  I saw O'Reilly and McCain on Jon Stewart...they went along and were absolutely great.  How about the other show where they invited him to discuss his book with a balanced panel?  A "balanced" panel of 5 who all attacked HIM?  What do you expect him to do?  I would have walked out....but of course we don't expect a "balanced" panel of liberals to be fair.  Who was the dumb broad he had to ask to shut up?  several times...then the host jumped on him...and the broad wouldn't shut up even then.  Every time he tried to speak...she jumped in louder and more shrill than ever.  I think this is a rude and self-deprecating liberal tactic today...close your ears and shout down anyone you disagree with.  I think they assume if they talk the loudest and are the most rude, everyone will think their points valid.  If they only realized the perceptions of the viewer were in direct confrontation with their hopes.
by RichardV88 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 08:23:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

some we agree on & a few more for our list (none / 0)

Let's go over what we agree on...
Ken Lay
Jerry Springer (invented reality TV)
Stupid celebrities

To add to our list...
all but a few republican congressmen,
southern democrats
the military industrial complex
cbn & everyone who works for it

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