Not Just Defense and Values

Democracy Corps has an interesting new poll out that shows the weaknesses of the two parties can be characterized by a lot more than the typical one and two-dimensional views bandied about by us armchair consultants since the election. First, look at Democratic weakness (starting on page 18):
Q.86 Now I'd like to read you some phrases that Republicans use to characterize Democrats. After each phrase please tell me whether it makes you feel very negative about the Democrats, somewhat negative, a little negative, makes you feel positive about the Democrats, or makes no difference in how you feel about the Democrats.
(number of people who responded either "very" or "somewhat" negative
Putting special interests ahead of the public interest	  44
Out of touch with American values			  43
The party of big government				  41
Tax and spenders					  40
Weak on defense 					  39
Just tells people what they want to hear    38
The party of empty promises		       38
The party of Hollywood values	      37
Tries to please everyone		       30
The party of No 			       29 
It would actually appear that the old stereotypes back from the days when Democrats were in power--special interests, big government, tax and spenders--are still a little bit more damaging to the Democratic image than the comparatively newer lines Republicans use to attacks us: defense, values, etc. The concept of the Party of No doesn't seem to resonate with many people at all, which is something that I wish a few more Democrats would realize when they grow weak in the knees about being in the opposition.

Democratic problems are clearly multi-faceted, and cannot be solved simply by looking like you are strong on defense are trying to speak the language of "values." Here were the Republican negatives (starting on page 20):

Q.102 Now I'd like to read you some phrases that Democrats use to characterize Republicans. After each phrase please tell me whether it makes you feel very negative about the Republicans, somewhat negative, a little negative, makes you feel positive about the Republicans, or makes no difference in how you feel about the Republicans.
Serving corporate lobbyists at the expense of working families	  55
Deceiving the country	 53
Putting corporate interests ahead of the public interest    53
Cheating working Americans    51
Pursuing a partisan agenda at the expense of American families	  51
Unethical    49
Captives of special interests	 49
Selling out America    49
Dividers not uniters	49
Power hungry	47
Out of touch	47
Extremists    46
The line that tests the best is not surprising, since it contains two buzzwords Americans dislike: corporate and lobbyist. Deceiving the country certainly seems to be high on the list right now--I wonder if it will stay that way. Overall Republican Party negatives seem to be very high right now, and the Democratic Party has drawn even with Republicans in terms of national image. Republicans in Congress under-perform their party by around four points, which is the main reason why Democratic candidates currently hold a not-unimportant 48-41 edge in the generic ballot test.

There is no silver bullet on either side. The political landscape remains complex, multi-faceted and thickly interwoven. On the bright side, right now it appears as though Demcorats are clearly making progress toward 2006.



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Look at the Numbers (none / 0)

What I think is most interesting about this is the numbers relating to our negatives versus theirs.  Everyone of their negatives are believed by more people then our most often mentioned negatives.
Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 01:46:08 PM EST

the best part (none / 0)

I agree.  The magnitude of the numbers is the best part about it.  Even with their best ammo, Republicans only make us look bad among 45% of voters.  With our guns, we can drown them among 55%.

This is proof that we aren't going negative enough on the GOP.  Run negative ads tying the Republicans to corporate interests and we will win handily.

by hotshotxi on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 09:45:13 PM EST
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48-41 (none / 0)

Even with gerrymandering  a 7 point win would give us back the House and give us a shot at the Senate in 2006.  As Noted, our lines test better than their lines.  Probably because they are weighed down by their own performance and greed.
by David Kowalski on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 02:07:24 PM EST

Don't get your hopes up (none / 0)

I've seen the same polls and same questions etc. for Democrats and GOPers in 2002 and 2004 from Democracy Corps...and look what happened.

Do you really trust that group, which used to have Shrum on it and now is just Carville and some jokers?

We need to rid outselves of the consultant class. They do the same thing everyone on this blog and others do, but we do it for free. And give better advice.

by DaveB on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 04:06:09 PM EST

Re: Don't get your hopes up (none / 0)

Actually, I like Carville and Begalla.  They are both focused on a populist economic message triggered to the middle class.  

They also pretty much sat out 2004 so it is pretty hard to blame them for that one.

Also, I do remember a memo that they pushed a couple weeks before the election.  They advised Kerry to talk more to the economic anxiety that people were experiencing, this backed by their polling which showed a majority of americans wanted to go in a substantially different direction then Bush.  Kerry never did this, instead focusing on that weapons-ammo dump story and other Iraq-linked issues.

Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 06:45:01 PM EST
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I like 'em too (none / 0)

they aren't the problem, Kerry isn't the problem, it's the American people who are the problem.
by Paul Goodman on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 07:38:04 PM EST
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Blame The Voters! That's The Ticket, Comrade! n/t (none / 0)


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 10:26:56 PM EST
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The special interests of note (none / 0)

Are we talking about Sugar or Corn here? Or the Unions? No. The "special interests" of ill repute with the swing voter are in no special order:

  1. blacks
  2. feminists
  3. gays
  4. teachers/non-science academics
  5. immigrants/hispanics
  6. lawyers/activists

That's a lot of people! What needs to happen is for Liberals to actually teach the people about the Welfare State, what it does, and why we have it. How, in the 21st century, people can think that the welfare state is what comes from their pocket and goes into somebody elses is beyond me.

It's like heart in the body, it pumps blood to all the tissues so that not only can any particular tissue survive, but the body can survive as well. I  wonder if the Red State voters (almost unanimously white) realize that if they try to exclude the aforementioned groups from their future utopia, that they will be living in the warm bosom of the Dark Ages? Maybe they do!

by Paul Goodman on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 05:04:13 PM EST

CAFTA vote (none / 0)

How in hell can we get any traction when there is not unanimity on something unpopular like CAFTA? When people see politics as usual (ie vote counting and other gamesmanship on the House floor) how can they have any trust?

When they see that elected officials are not voting their consciences, but they are being bought off or intimidated in order to salvage a piece of crap like CAFTA, they are more likely to vomit than vote democrat.

FORCE REPUBLICANS TO GO OVER OUR HEADS IN THEIR EFFORT TO DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS!!! Gaaa! Its politics 101 people!

by Paul Goodman on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 05:09:47 PM EST

There's A Lot More To This Poll (none / 0)

Too much to digest in a short time on a Friday night. But I will point to two things that are important.

(1) There are a set of questions about party self-descriptions--positive things Dems and Reps say about themselves, and the Dems are consistently higher on these than the Reps, too. So the comparison above is just half the picture. The positives tell the same story.

(2) The strongest positive for Dems is "We'll fight for working Americans". It polls Very Positive: 37, Somewhat Positive: 23, A Little Positive: 7. Very/Somewhat Positive: 59, Very/Somewhat/A Little Positive: 66.

In contrast, the seemingly similar, but decidedly more genteel and "well behaved" the way the GOP and the Beltway Punditocracy likes it, "We'll create opportunity for all" scores significantly weaker, though still strong compared to what the GOP has got:Very Positive: 30, Somewhat Positive: 20, A Little Positive: 8. Very/Somewhat Positive: 50, Very/Somewhat/A Little Positive: 58.

Now, applying a little Rovian psychology--if he wants to damage the Democrats strongest point, he wants to take away "We'll fight for working Americans". He'll want to get the Dems to water down their message, so it's only 50% Very/Somewhat  Positive, instead of 59%.  

And, of course, who will help him do that?  Why, the DLC, of course!

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 10:56:17 PM EST


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