DLC Warmongers Writ Large

Hat tip to Dave Johnson at Seeing the Forest for this Altercation article: (click through for links)

I don't understand why the DLC thinks its job is to continue to attack liberals, here, much less to do so, as Atrios, points out here, by putting words in the mouth of people who did not say them, but merely hosted them.   . . .

 But really, what is the point of an organization with the words "Democratic" in its name that obsesses over attacking liberals, and then does so on the basis of false accusation?

What I want to focus on is what can only be presumed to be the official DLC position on Bush's Iraq war, from Blueprint Magazine, Liberal's War:

Here's a novel idea: The war on terror should be, above all, a liberal's war.

Novel idea is one way of putting it.

Let's examine Peter Ross Range's article point by point:
Think about it: The jihadist campaign is not some generic explosion of terrorism, but rather a calculated attack on all that liberals hold dear: tolerance, diversity, women's rights, the fundamental freedoms and protections of democracy, even trade unionism. In short, liberal values. That's why the liberal left makes a profound mistake if it concedes this war to George W. Bush and the right.

Yes Peter, let's think about what you just said. Liberals would certainly agree that terrorism is is bad whether it is committed by reactionary Muslims, white Christians like Timothy McVey or the IRA. What we question is what if anything Bush's war in Iraq has to do with any of the fundamental freedoms and values we believe in. Range continues with another non-sequitur:

If it weren't already obvious that liberals should be leading exponents of the war on terror -- rather than only its sharpest critics -- then the London terror attacks should have had a clarifying effect. By striking one of the most liberal-minded cities in the world, the jihadists showed their disdain for the place where more Muslims have found greater refuge from the failings of their own societies, politically and economically, than anywhere else. Nowhere else do they experience greater freedom of speech -- including the right to use their mosques to incite violence against non-Muslims.

Bush's Iraq war was the provocative proximate cause of of the London bombings. I'm still waiting for an explanation of how Bush's Iraq war will prevent future terrorist attacks in London or America.

All these freedoms are clearly bad stuff in the jihadists' playbook, so they used their own freedom to try to take away that of others.

Have Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and Muslim fanatics taken away our freedoms, or has George Bush?

Nobody said it better than London Mayor Ken ("Red Ken") Livingstone, a leading leftist. Though openly critical of Tony Blair for his support of the war in Iraq, Livingstone was eloquent and unequivocal about the terrorists. Pointing out that London had been chosen for the 2012 Olympic Games partly because 300 languages are spoken in his city, Livingstone said the jihadists' "cowardly attack" was aimed not "against the mighty or the powerful, it was aimed at ordinary working-class Londoners. Black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindus and Jews, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, class, religion whatever."

Did I miss the part where Red Ken explained how Bush's Iraq war will prevent future bombings in London?

Here's where Range finally gets around to the inevitable and ill considered shot at Bush's war opponents:

If only we could hear such moral clarity from our own party's left! Instead, we heard from Daily Kos, the ur-liberal ur-blogger, whose blog included a cheer for, among others, outcast Labourite George Galloway, who blamed the attacks on Blair's Iraq policy -- and was roundly denounced by virtually all British politicians. "See, Democrats? That's how it's done," lectured the blogger ignorantly. Likewise, Matt Yglesias, an articulate liberal voice at The American Prospect, who belittled Marshall Wittmann's call for moral clarity as a phrase never used "unironically" anymore. No wonder Democrats are perceived to have a values problem.[Editor's Note: As Alter makes clear in his full post, Range is quoting a diarist at dkos and putting his words in Markos' mouth.]

I missed the moral clarity that explained any connection whatsoever between Bush's Iraq war and preventing future terrorist attacks on London or anywhere else. I missed the moral clarity that explains how Bush's Iraq war upholds moral values. I missed the moral clarity that explains how talking tough about terrorism and doing absolutely nothing about it is a successful policy that liberals should cheer. In the next paragraph, Range explains that moral clarity is all about image:

My liberal friends are quick to point out that the left's chief grievance is with the war in Iraq, not the war on terror. But what does it do for the image of the Democratic Party -- not to mention the thinking of rank and file Democrats -- when some of our most skilled commentators use a moment of unambiguous terror to first find fault with an American policy (unseating Saddam Hussein) rather than first condemning the terrorists? It's both morally wrong and politically dumb. These musings in the left-wing blogosphere may be read regularly by only a few thousand people, but they seep into the intellectual bloodstream of the Democratic Party. They once again place Democrats on the wrong side of the ultimate issue of our time: winning the war on terror.

I'm sure Range is going to get around to explaining with moral clarity how Bush's Iraq war will "win" the GWOT and why Democrats should support Bush. Surely Range wouldn't go to all this trouble just to take a gratuitous swipe at Markos?

Democrats should learn from Red Ken. Though he has questionable views on some other topics, the mayor seemed to know there are moments when there is only one right response. And then there was the inestimable Tony Blair. Once again, the British prime minister got it right. He understands that winning this war requires working it from both ends -- quashing the terrorists remorselessly while ameliorating terrorism's root causes. Blair pointed out that on the day of the London bombings, he was working to reduce poverty in Africa and protect the global environment. How many poor people was bin Laden helping that day?

I guess I was wrong. Range thinks Tony Blair is wonderful because he was in Africa on the day of the London bombing. Range asks "How many poor people was bin Laden helping that day?" Range does not ask "How many poor people was Bush helping that day?"

Range also does not bother to explain how Bush's Iraq war is "quashing the terrorists remorselessly" or "ameliorating terrorism's root causes." I guess moral clarity does not include something as ridiculous as actual results. Image is the only thing that matters. Democrats just have to project a tougher image.

Perhaps most wrongheaded of all were those who used the bombings to call for an immediate, or imminent, withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. They do the liberal cause a disservice. Those who hated the war the most should be the strongest supporters of helping Iraqis get on their feet, politically and economically. And those who believe that the daily carnage in Iraq is mainly directed against the American presence in the country are simply not reading the numbers: Vastly more Iraqis are being killed than Americans. The insurgent cause is against the establishment of Iraqi democracy, not the presence of U.S. bases or troops. Just listen to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the main insurgent leader. He announced on Jan. 22 that "we have declared bitter war against the principle of democracy. ... Those who vote ... are infidels. ... If a Muslim apostatizes from Islam to heresy, he should be killed ..."

There it is again. Range does not explain how anything Bush is doing in Iraq is "helping Iraqis get on their feet, politically and economically." Practical results do not matter. Whether or not Iraqis want our help does not matter. Can't liberals see that Iraqis don't mind the presence of U.S. bases or troops?

What more do progressives need to know?

For starters, what is Bush's military objective in Iraq? What is the DLC military objective in Iraq?

You don't achieve political goals with military force. The military is good at two things - breaking things and killing people. If the DLC does not have a clear cut military objective that can be achieved by breaking things and killing people, there is no point in American troops being in Iraq.

For kickers, how many more American and Iraqi lives is the DLC willing to spend to achieve . . . well, I guess they want to improve their political image. How many American and Iraqi lives is that worth?

Here's something else I would like to know. How is Bush's Iraq war making us safer at home? Is there any way we could spend $5 billion per month making Americans safer at home?

I've got one more question. Is Peter Ross Range a paid editor for Blueprint, or is he a volunteer college student working on his B.S. in Political Science?


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It's so hard to tell (3.00 / 1)

whether some of these people are just spouting this drek because it sounds good, or if they genuinely believe in the fairy tales spun by the badstars to justify their agenda.

The problem is, many people do believe in this stuff, and they can wax eloquent on it for that reason. I strongly suspect Gee-Dub can be numbered among that bunch, the "True Believers," as I call them. They're the ones that moderates are afraid of alienating with a campaign of too much truth, and not without reason. The Freeper worldview attaches phrases like "wild-eyed" to words like "liberal" to explain away people like us.

To the "America-can-do-no-wrong" crowd, we're the ones who are living in a fairy tale, so eager to blame America for everything that we're blind to what seems obvious to them. The harder we come at them with the truth, the more hardened that philosophy -- the one that defines liberalism as a mental disorder -- becomes in them.

And then they proceed to construct elaborate straw-men like the one cited above, attempting to prove to liberals why we should like what's going on, and explain how they're really making the world safe for people like us. As if we're just the soft-headed kid brother that they need to look after.

"They hate us for our freedom" is a concept that frightened and confused people can cling to. And, once you've accepted it, you can accept everything that follows.

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 03:06:48 AM EST

Re: It's so hard to tell (none / 0)

"They hate us for our freedom" is a concept that frightened and confused people can cling to. And, once you've accepted it, you can accept everything that follows.

It is obvious that the DLC has decided to accept the concept and try to beat the theocons at their own game. More than anything else, the delusion that they can beat the theocons at their own game, on their home field, on this issue or any other is why the DLC must go.

I couldn't believe how incredibly shallow and obviously manipulative this article was.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 03:30:51 AM EST
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Bilmon said it better than I ever could (3.00 / 2)

I wish I would have read Bilmon before I wrote my smackdown. Cease Fire Violation:

Given that Blueprint is the official house organ of the Republicrat Leadership Council, and the author of that little bit of slime is the magazine's editor, it's hard to view this as an accidental violation of the cease fire, as in: "Oops. We were just practicing with the artillery, and somehow we fired a barrage into your headquarters tent. Sorry about the casualties."

I don't know why Peter Ross Range (the Blueprint editor) felt compelled to rewrite Karl Rove's talking points. The White House has plenty of hack ghostwriters on the payroll. It hardly needs any help from the dinos. On the other hand, if the DLC really does want peace with its neighbors on the left, Range's op-ed wasn't exactly what the diplomats call a helpful gesture. Sen. Clinton clearly has a tough row to hoe.


I suspected Range was being deceitful about Galloway, but Bilmon has the facts:
Leaving aside the classic smear tactic of attributing to Kos (the person) what someone else at Daily Kos (the blogging community) actually said, Range conveniently ignores the fact that something like 85% of British voters say they agree with Galloway, not the politicians roundly denouncing him. They believe the Iraq War was either a contributing reason or the main reason for the London bombings.

Seep into the intellectual bloodstream? The blogosphere now is the intellectual bloodstream of the Democratic Party -- unless Range is talking about the fatty, cholesterol-clogged arteries of the D.C. lobbyist culture. These once feed oxygen (the long green variety) to the DLC's brand of corporate centrism. But those veins have nearly all been ripped out and reattached to Tom DeLay's mechanical heart.

A few thousand readers? This blog, admittedly just a tiny dot in a vast sea of electrons, has been averaging almost 40,000 discrete readers a day lately -- without paid staff, without advertising, without subscribers and without DLC-style corporate sponsors. I bet Kos and Atrios easily do three or four times that much daily traffic, or more.


This paragraph is a work of art that anihilates DLC pretensions of political or intellectual respectability:
How many readers, by contrast, does Blueprint have? And how many of those readers would actually pay for the thing, if they couldn't write their DLC membership dues off as a fucking business expense?

Add in the fact that the most successful inhabitants of Left Blogostan are also among the most unapologetically liberal, and that they have been proven absolutely correct on the "ultimate issue" of the past three years (the Iraq invasion) while the "moderates" have been proven dead wrong in their craven decision to line up behind Cheneybush, and it's easy to see why the dinos have popped open a can of mammals-be-gone.

Bilmon even puts up a feeble defense of the DLC. You can read the rest yourself. I'll let the next two paragraphs speak for me and for themselves:
But the problem with the DLC approach (aside from the corporate corruption) is that it assumes the political balance will never change, that America will always be a center-right country, and the best progressives can hope to do is accommodate themselves to the corporate new world order.

There's no need for ninnies like Range to smear lefty bloggers as weak on terrorism, and no need for lefty bloggers like me to point out what obsolete hacks the DLCers are. We both know what we think of each other already. So please, Madam Hillary, do your peacemaker thing. Call off the dinos. This mammal, at least, is willing to keep the truce -- but only if they do.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 04:06:13 AM EST

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (3.00 / 1)

"The blogosphere now is the intellectual bloodstream of the Democratic Party"

I think this cuts right to the heart of what's going on here. In the Internet Age, with instant, decentralized, mass communication, the people who once made careers out of leading the grassroots around by the nose are finding themselves increasingly squeezed out of the consent-manufacturing game. It's visible in the Dean movement, in the instant protest capacity which has become a staple of liberal activism, and even in the AFL-CIO disintegration.

The rabble are taking over, and the bluebloods are pissed. They're scurrying to protect the old status quo, not realizing it will soon be (if it's not already) completely obsolete.

The Reep corporatists were way ahead of the Dem ones when it came to adapting to this new dynamic, as their thriving brand of astroturf pseudopopulism shows. I think conservatives tend to prize conformity (though they obviously don't think of it that way, that's really what social conservatism is all about), while liberals are more individualist, even contrarian, and therefore tougher to herd. Reep unity has done wonders for them, whereas we're more likely to distrust authority, thank Jeebus.

Yeah, I'd be willing to call a truce, too -- but only if they're willing to acknowledge that it's not their party that we all have to beg admission to. Damned if I'm going to be led around by the nose. There are some really bright and savvy people among them whose help we could use, but at the end of the day, they need troops more than we need generals.

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 04:37:04 AM EST
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Re: Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (none / 0)

Very well spoken catastrophile. The DLC is convinced they can manipulate the netroots into being an ATM machine for polices they do not agree with one more time.

If Hillary is still listening to the same advisors and apparatchiks that Kerry relied on, both Hillary and the DLC are going to be in for a very rude awakening. Both of them just might want to consider tacking a little bit to the left.

It also wouldn't hurt them to take a stand they can be proud of once in a while. Nobody is going to get excited about a muddle of the road strategy from here on out. Triangulation is dead. Long live staking out your turf and being a proud Democrat.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 04:58:41 AM EST
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Re: Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (none / 0)

The DLC is convinced they can manipulate the netroots into being an ATM machine for polices they do not agree with one more time.

Uh yeah... its called NDN/NPI

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 06:18:05 AM EST
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Re: Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (none / 0)

Speaking of the intellectual bloodstream, stop by Seeing the Forest and check out the new progressive think tank. Some group that calls themselves Demos and has one of the most impressive and user friendly websites I've ever seen.
by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 05:01:55 AM EST
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Re: Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! (none / 0)

Bravo... good for you.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 06:23:14 AM EST
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well i'm glad someone cleared this up (none / 0)

"And then there was the inestimable Tony Blair. Once again, the British prime minister got it right. He understands that winning this war requires working it from both ends -- quashing the terrorists remorselessly while ameliorating terrorism's root causes. Blair pointed out that on the day of the London bombings, he was working to reduce poverty in Africa and protect the global environment. How many poor people was bin Laden helping that day?"

Yes Tony Blair is better than Bin Laden. I'm glad the admirable folks at the DLC took the time to point this out to us.

Tennesseans for Feingold
by ben114 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 05:22:32 AM EST

Re: well i'm glad someone cleared this up (none / 0)

There is also little question that Tony Blair is better than George Bush. The key question is whether George Bush is any better than Bin Laden.

Some additional interesting questions:

(1.) Are Iraqis better off under American occupation than they were under Saddam Hussein?

(2.) Is America safer today than it was four years ago?

(3.) Is London safer today than it was four years ago?

(4.) Is Tony Blair any more popular with the British people than George Bush is with the American people?

(5.) Will Bush's Iraq war replace Vietnam as America's longest war?

(6.) Will Bush's Iraq war be as popular with Democratic primary voters in 2008 as the DLC seems to think it is today?

(7.) Will Democratic voters in 2006 re-elect the 43 Democratic House members who voted for The Patriot Act?

(8.) Will Senate Democrats insist on hearings on the Patriot Act before voting on the final Senate version?

(9.) How many Senate Democrats will vote for The Patriot Act?

(10.) Will all of the Senate Democrats with aspirations for higher office vote for The Patriot Act?

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 06:05:34 AM EST
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Re: well i'm glad someone cleared this up (none / 0)

  1. Yes
  2. Hard to tell, but I think yes
  3. Problably not.
  4. Yes
  5. Maybe
  6. I doubt it will be a top issue
  7. Most if not all, will win easily
  8. They may but not too hard
  9. If Ried pushes it may two or three if he  lets it go around twenty to twenty-five.
  10. Some will some will not.

by THE MODERATE on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:46:46 AM EST
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Re: well i'm glad someone cleared this up (3.00 / 1)

Pray tell, which Iraqis are better off, now?  The Mullahs?   Yay!  We're creating another Iran over there, right next to Iran!

Have you been paying attention, Moderate?  They are going to implement Sharia Law in their Constitution!  Sharia Law!!  The Fundamentalists are about to take over.  Sound familiar?  It should.  Sound safe?  No way.

by bellarose on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:00:42 PM EST
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Iraq's women (none / 0)

http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-iraqconflict/women_2681.jsp

Dead bodies, acid attacks and more death during childbirth.  

Follow the link and tell me how the majority of Iraq's population is now "better off."

by bellarose on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:11:12 PM EST
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Re: Iraq's people (none / 0)

There are 100,000 innocent dead Iraqis men, women and children who are not better off. That's the key to the Democratic Loser Club's failure. They mimic GOPER talking points either because they are stupid or they think they can trick Republicans into voting for them.

Iraq is rapidly falling apart and not a single DLC Democrat will criticize Bush's failed policy. They believe, with absolutely no evidence, if the right DLC Democrat could just tweak Bush's policies a little bit everything would work out fine.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:22:01 PM EST
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Re: Iraq's people (none / 0)

I have no argument with that.

I'm so damn sick of watching people fall for this insipid "Are you saying the world would be better off with Saddam?" accusation.

Just once I'd like to see someone on my TV say point blank:  "The world and Iraq's people are worse off now, because of this administration's illegal and unjustified aggression.  And here's why. . . "  

by bellarose on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:37:37 PM EST
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You know what they're scared of! (none / 0)

Look at the way that M$M and DLC Dems and, of course, GOPers, responded to Dean's proclaimation that Saddam Hussein's capture made us no safer.

He was 100% right, and they CRUCIFIED HIM for it.  But fuck it, he was right and he's more influential than ever.

I'm waiting for someone of national prominence to say it, because I think it every single day!  Dean has said that the war has made us less safe, not more safe.  That is as close as I've heard (same idea-r, but the rhetoric isn't as in-your-face as I feel is warranted).

by teknofyl on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:28:34 PM EST
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Same as Vietnam (none / 0)

Dean can't fight the GOPERS, the DLC and the M$M all by himself.

Hackett is getting Swiftboated and the M$M is going along. The DLC will not defend Hackett because they are Chickenhawk warmongers and political cowards.

The M$M and the DLC to this day have not set the record straight on the Swiftboat liars, so the GOPERS are doing it again.

There must surely be Democrats besides Kucinich who see Bush's war for the moral tragedy that it is. They have been given marching orders not to stray from the "stay the course" party line. The grass/netroots will have to do the moral heavy lifting the same way they did in Vietnam.

The M$M crucified anti-Vietnam demonstrators during the '68 Democratic convention. To this day the record has not been set straight about Jane Fonda's brave public stand against an immoral war. The exact same phenomena is occuring today. The Democratic party and the M$M were chickenhawk warmongers and cowards then and are chickenhawk warmongers and cowards now.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 03:31:36 AM EST
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Bloggers and actual local Dems (none / 0)

are where Dean gets his strength from.  The Hackett race is super-indicative of GOP 'strategy.'

The Hackett case particularly shines a spotlight on the superhuman levels of hypocrisy that Repugs will stoop to when they get a chance.

I'd love to see the DNC and Dean swing some pipe into Schmitt's face on this race.  The hackett race should be a proxy for the sould of the party and momentum going into '06.

by teknofyl on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 12:36:29 PM EST
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Re: Same as Vietnam (none / 0)

Gene McCarthy and Bobby Kennedy pretty much swept the primaries in 1968.  The establishment was pro-war, but not so (or at least not so much) the actual voters within the Party.

Sound familiar?

by David Kowalski on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 02:59:39 PM EST
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Re: well i'm glad someone cleared this up (none / 0)

Why would Democratic House members positively panting for [olitical advancement bolt from their caucus and support the Patriot Act?  Bob Menendez has been running for every semi-vacant office in the state of NJ for years and he voted for this turkey.  Forget my vote in a primary, Bob (and i live in NJ).  Then there is the Maryland trio: Hoyer, Rueppersburger, and Cardin. Two guys lusting for the Governorship and another wanting to be Speaker of the House.

The 14 Republicans voting against the Patriot Act, incidentally, don't seem particularly liberal.  More like libertarians or principled conservatives who won't vote for shrinking our rights.  

by David Kowalski on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:43:21 PM EST
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Exquisite DLC Timing Will Screw Dems... (none / 0)

Today's NYT tips off the Repug strategy: a reprise of Nixon's 1970-72 Vietnamization. Rummy visits Baghdad to stage General Casey saying troops can begin to withdraw in Spring 2006.  Imagine that. So just as Hillary uses the DLC podium to showcas her warrior status, just as the DLC types call for more troops (from where is unsaid), just as the DLC joins Karl Rove in inferring that we progressives are cowards and traitors in the WOT, the GOP will pull the rug out from under the entire Democratic Party. By pulling out a few troops (in a "measured pace" remember the ARVN?), the Repugs will blunt criticism both of their war (but it will be OUR war if the DLC succeeds), and the Dems will have forfeited the whole anti-Iraq ballgame in exchange for the ambitions of Hillary, Bayh, Biden, Holy Joe, etc. Not only is the DLC mean and nasty, opportunitstic and cynical, it is STUPID TO BOOT.
by DFATMA on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 10:02:09 AM EST

The DLC got it wrong (3.00 / 3)

Opposing this war before it happened was the right thing to do, period. And the DLC and people like Ezra and Yglesias have never quite been able to get their hands and minds around that. They just never got the fact that some people sat down and examined the evidence and came to the conclusion that Saddam was not a fundamental threat to the United States.

We were not wild-eyed kumbaya loonies. A lot of us were veterans who listened slack-jawed in amazement when the President of the United States explained "He truly was not concerned" about a mass-murderer of 3000. Because I was pretty god-damn concerned about Bin Laden, and I still am pretty god-damn concerned, and I suspect this feeling is shared by a bunch of Londoners.

By a lot of accounts we had Osama cornered at Tora Bora and we outsourced the job to Afghanis so as not to incur American casualties that would put the impending War on Iraq at risk. At least I have not heard any convincing offsetting explanation of why we didn't send in our troops.

The DLC and its remaining supporters served as useful dupes to the boys at the PNAC. And their advice now for us to bend over and get punked. And they have the gall to be self-righteous about the whole thing.

by Bruce Webb on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 10:19:55 AM EST

Re: The DLC got it wrong (none / 0)

If I could vote your post up I would.

For some reason I don't see those controls anymore.

Anyone know what that means?

DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:56:25 PM EST
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Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

Excellent diary, Gary. Please consider cross-posting at dKos.

The most offensive clip from Range's neo-con rant is:

My liberal friends are quick to point out that the left's chief grievance is with the war in Iraq, not the war on terror. But what does it do for the image of the Democratic Party..

The MFscker wants to support an unwarranted war that cost 2000+ American lives and countless Iraqi lives for f***ing IMAGE of the party. WHAT AN AUDACIOUS ASSHOLE!!

Neo

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 10:35:45 AM EST

Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

I put up a drive by diary of sorts at My Left Wing. I suspect someone at dkos will have already done a better job than I have. In fact, I'm hoping there will be a lot of blog sites that do a better job than I have.

I don't know how anyone could improve on the article Bilmon wrote, but there is an awful lot of talent in the leftwing blogosphere.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:08:30 AM EST
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Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

Maybe I was wrong. My diary at My Left Wing hasn't even received a comment.

If someone wants to take a shot at a longer diary at dkos or My Left Wing, feel free. It's not like the DLC didn't provide plenty of objectionable material.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:12:32 AM EST
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Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

Hmm.. I am also surprised this diary rec'd no comments whatsoever.

Neo

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:19:47 AM EST
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Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

There's already a recommended dairy at dkos. It seems to be quite popular.
by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:15:26 AM EST
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Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

Actually, that's my diary ("Neoliberal" was taken at dKos, and so I used the slight variation for my nickname). I have posted a comment directing the readers to this diary too.

Neo

ps: why do you say that it is a recommended and popular diary? It hasn't been recommended by anyone yet.

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:32:04 AM EST
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Re: Iraq war for IMAGE??? (none / 0)

My bad. I was just taking a quick drive by and must have looked at it cross-eyed. Maybe it was at the top of the new diary list and I thought it was at the bottom of the recommend list. Beats me.

Maybe kossacks are OK with the DLC article.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 01:50:03 PM EST
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The DLC Agenda from David Sirota (3.00 / 1)

Bowing Down to Those Who Undermine: This is the agenda the DLC rolled out yesterday - it reads like Republican talking points:

- Topping the agenda [DLC President Al From] wrote with former Clinton White House adviser Bruce Reed were several proposals on national security. "It's a toughness issue. We have to prove we're willing to pull the trigger," From said. In other words, the DLC argues that Democrats must show they are willing to indiscriminately bomb, kill and maim people in order to win elections, even though the public now fully opposes what we're doing in Iraq.
  • The DLC wants to "allow military recruiters unrestricted access to college campuses." Again, the American people oppose what we are doing in Iraq, and the DLC's response is to push for more militarization and to push for more recruitment of young people to send them off to fight overseas in wars based on lies that the DLC helped justify.

  • The DLC wants "to cut the federal budget deficit, they proposed cutting congressional and nondefense government staff by 10 percent." Cutting "nondefense" is a nice way of saying cutting things like health care, labor rights enforcement, housing, etc - cuts the GOP is already proposing. In other words, instead of talking about wasteful spending in Iraq, the DLC wants the budget debate to focus on plans to hack into the social progress that Democrats have fought for over the last fifty years.

"And remember, this says nothing about the DLC's willingness to continually undermine every Democratic Party effort to make sure trade policy starts working for ordinary Americans."

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 06:04:02 PM EST

A Soldier's Blog (none / 0)

[Fight to Survive http://ftssoldier.blogspot.com/
]:

I am no longer a soldier in the United States army, and I am no longer fighting this useless war in Iraq. However, not too long ago I was there, and ever day I could not help to notice just how potentially fatal operating in a combat zone really is, regardless of how much fancy equipment or impenetrable armor you are surrounded by. The bottom line is this: As we continue to fight dedicated guerrilla warriors, a growing number of Americans keep dying in vain.

The growing and adapting cleverness of the insurgency and their advanced means of bomb making have blown the Up-Armor theory out of the water.

This war has always been, and always will be, nothing more than a tug of war between both sides. The sad truth is that the insurgency usually beats US forces to the punch with more ingenious ways of killing our soldiers. Sadder still is that our military's tactics seldom change until enough soldiers have been killed to make such changes necessary. The shape-charge IED confirms this theory, as we've known about its devastating effects and its usefulness for the insurgency for quite some time now.

A simple formula concerning guerrilla warfare always states that as long as the motivation for resistance remains strong, the ill-equipped and much deprived guerrilla fighters will continue in their endeavors, constantly surprising the occupying force with new tactics and amazing resiliency.

It is yet to be seen how advanced this Iraqi insurgency will become in the near future. Only through morbid statistics and a growing number of flag-draped coffins will the analysts in Washington be able to tell.


by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 07:17:55 PM EST

A moral vacuum from Washington Elites (3.00 / 1)

The DLC has nothing but contempt for the deeply felt beliefs held by most grass roots progressives. Its clear that after holding the reigns of power in Washington for so long, they no respect what they surely consider to be progressives' charming little obsession with civilian casualties, prison torture and the plight of the poor in the third world.

Its telling that whenever these issues are brought up, hawks jump immediately to point out their necessity without even bothering to make a token gesture to acknowledge the importance of morality in our foreign policy objectives. It seems that their goal in undermining the progressive critique is to make our moral responsibilities so vague that effectively, we have none at all. Peter Ross' moral clarity is euphemism for a moral vacuum, a belief that there is no act so violent or heinous that is not justified by 9/11, and progressives will never accept that.

The DLC should be exposed for the moral cowards that they are.

by MrOnion on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 10:32:37 PM EST

I've been ranting about the DLC (3.00 / 1)

over at TPMCafe.

I've read through much of Blueprint, and I'm appalled at the animosity the DLC has for the left.

I see no difference between the writings in the Blueprint and Karl Rove's "therapy" speech.

by cscs on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 11:27:14 AM EST

My only problem with what you've written (none / 0)

is that you're attempting to use LOGIC to disprove rhetoric that's based on prejudice and anger. Both prejudice and anger stem from fear, not logic. So how do we battle the Archie Bunkers claiing to lead the Democratic Party when they literally won't listen to reason? We defeat all their candidates and kick them OUT.
by peterbernard on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 04:22:59 PM EST

Re: My only problem with what you've written (none / 0)

That is a great sentiment, but not practical. The Dems and the GOPERS have their districts gerrymandered so most of them never lose. It is almost impossible to defeat most incumbants. I think in California 98% of incumbants won re-election.

We have to do the same thing we did to stop Vietnam. We have to push our message into the M$M with mass demonstrations and public pressure until the political cowards in both parties are forced to admit it is time to leave.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 04:31:54 PM EST
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Re: My only problem with what you've written (none / 0)

Well, it's not the MSM just because we call it that. It's the CORPORATE MEDIA. There are no Walter Cronkites in it who are going to say or do the right thing.

So your sentiment is great, but not practical.

Raising money for individual candidates who are neither DLC or Republican seems like a better path to me.

Also, most of the people who are apolitical are so because of the actions of the right and the DLC to confuse issues. All they know is that "politicians" are lying and corrupt. They tend not to believe either side, and part of that is that our side is often represented in the corporate media by the DLC. I've been lectured SO MANY TIMES tat there's no difference between the parties. Don't think this campaign is only being waged in public under the spotlights. They also send out operatives to write on blogs as "independents" talking about how it's not worth it to vote because both sides are the same. One right-wing operative who still has a smear site lying about me on the web (and has admitted he used to work for Roger Stone) appeared in the NY Daily News after one of the debates last year as "An Unecided Voter." They had 6 "undecided voters" deciding who won the debate. The guy that I know is actually an operative was the only one of the 6 that said Bush won the debate. He then plugged his web site right there in the News. If you go back and re-read the Village Voice from last year, you'll find Roger Stone himself claiming that he was going to vote for Kerry. Right. He just wanted to get himself invited into the left wing parties and scenes so he could spy and do his dirty work.

Because liberals are too accepting of anyone who says they're liberal or democratic.

The right knows this about us, we're too easy to infiltrate and undermine.

Al Sharpton took advice and money from Roger Stone. He's got a Sunday morning show on Air America Radio.

So it's a bigger and deeper problem. I guess I'm arguing not for intolerance toward Dinos, but I'm arguing for greater awareness of all the different KINDS of Dinos and infiltators and sabouteurs.

More importantly, we need to nnot just make ourselves aware of this, we have to make the apolitical aware of what is actually going on so that they can make more informed decisions and stop sitting on the fence.

It doesn't help when we attack each other as tin foil hat wearers or conspiracy theorists. Even the DLC's own Hillary insists that there is a "vast right-wing conspiracy." Hillary is not a tin foil hat wearer, she's as conservative as Leiberman. There is a VAST conspiracy that we need to first accept then work against. A conspiracy which they've built over 30 yearrs involving government AND media. ALL of it.

Have you ever played Othello? Well if this were Othello, they've got almost the entire board their color and we have very few of our pieces even left on the board. I've won games that were going in that direction though. You just have to slow down and make one move at a time, and it helps if you have a plan.

Which liberals right now mostly don't.

Except in terms of raising campaign money through blogs and Air America. That's an exccellent step one, no?

by peterbernard on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 04:47:55 PM EST
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If the DLC (none / 0)

Are a bunch of warmongers like you seem to think they are, how come the DLC released a statement not to long ago saying that Bush has blown it big time in Iraq, and we should not have been there in the first place. Admit it Gary, your just plain wrong.
by liebermanlives on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 08:56:14 PM EST

Link (none / 0)

One: you didn't supply a link to that DLC statement, how do I know it actually existed? Because a guy with a screen name says so?

Two: even if the DLC or some component of it admitted that "we should not have been there in the first place", accompanying that with a sincere apology for those of us who fully understood that in February 2003 would be nice. Instead we get self-righteous lectures from the likes of Beinart.

by Bruce Webb on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 09:23:41 AM EST
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Re: Link maybe? (none / 0)

I don't know if this is the article LL is talking about, but I supplied a link for him in this LL diary where I provide additional detailed smackdowns of Will Marshall.

Lead sentence:

Since 9/11, patriotism has become the most potent "values issue" in U.S. politics. To compete in America's heartland, Democrats must challenge Republicans' claim to be the authentic voice of American patriotism.

Quick summary of how the Democratic party does that:

We just have to be smarter more demanding war mongers. The Iraq war is just peachy if we only had a smart Democrat in charge. It's all about hooking up with the right symbols and parting company with the "dishonest white upper class Michael Moore secular liberal elites from the pacifist anti-American European wing of the Democratic party."

Will Marshall, Peter Ross Range and the whole DLC are worthless artifacts who worship at the alter of Republican lite demagoguery.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 11:24:20 AM EST
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Thanks Gary (none / 0)

The argument seems to be that since Bush successfully got people to confuse the War on Terror with Iraq and a bunch of Democrats went along we have no choice but to accept the commingling and move on.

Which if Bush was still riding in the high sixties and strong majorities were still behind the war and trusting Bush on the reasons we went in might be sound electoral advice. But neither is true. Americans are solidly swinging our way on the war.

We narrowly lost the last election. Behind a pro-war candidate who only quarrelled with the execution. Would we have done better with a strident all-out offensive on this war? Who knows? Would we be stuck in this spot when pretty much our whole collective leadership is now admitting they screwed the pooch, but that we should just get over that whole bit about being right from the start and fall in line? No we wouldn't.

Could we possibly have done worse in the Senate if Dean was heading the ticket? A lot of DLCers thought so going in, they thought the only chance of holding those Senate seats was not to alienate pro-war supporters. We got swept anyway.

If there was a single bit of evidence that this strategy was going to work we could talk. But we did it the DLC way in 2002 and 2004 - and lost.

Bush lied, GIs died, the DLC facilitated. I am not much on forgetting, and only a little better on forgiving. The DLC crashed its car and now is demanding my car keys. Sorry, not happening.

by Bruce Webb on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 12:25:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It should be obvious by now (none / 0)

Bush and his immoral war are both sinking quickly in the polls. It is pretty baffling why the DLC warmongers can't figure this out and admit they made a mistake.

We may have to keep pushing until we take one or two of them down the way we took LBJ down.

I'm getting a kick out of this jack in the box effect on my diary. I think we need to petition Chris and Jerome to increase the recommended diary section to five.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 03:12:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If the DLC (none / 0)

yes, could you please post that link, and other related links that establish your "DLC != war-mongers" defense?

thanks in advance
Neo

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 10:30:06 AM EST
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