TreasonGate: It's the Treason, Not the Lying

From the diaries. Here and here are some new updates on this story--Chris

The blogosphere is a buzzing with news that Karl Rove has been exposed as the source of the Plame leak. In the next week, we're going to hear a great deal about the timeline and the two-person rule, the former centering on the federal crime of outing an undercover agent and the later necessary to establish the bonus charge of perjury.

Over at the Huffington Post, Lawrence O'Donnell hints that Rove may be in trouble on both counts.

If Rove is the traitor and if he lied about it before the Grand Jury -- then he could achieve rare political status of having the cover-up not as bad as the crime -- for him at least. But cover-ups usually involve more than a single man, and this could turn into one giant shitburger considering who "Bush's Brain" spends time with in the West Wing (where he now serves as both Senior Advisor to the President of the United States and Deputy White House Chief of Staff).

Last week, the story was about the move to fire Karl Rove. This week, at a minimum, Rove should have his security clearance yanked while this is investigated. From AmericaBlog:

And now that this allegation is out there, of Karl Rove being a TRAITOR who divulged national security information putting our lives and the lives of CIA agents and their contacts at risk around the world, is this suspected threat to national security still AT the White House at this moment? Is he in the proximity of the president of the United States? What does the Secret Service have to say about that? Simply because of this allegation, a very serious public allegation by a credible on-the-record source, this man's security clearances should be revoked immediately, albeit temporarily, until this matter can be resolved.

Is the Secret Service REALLY going to let a man facing these accusations have access to the president of the United States in a time of war?

Come on MSM, ask the White House NOW if Karl Rove is still in the building, or if his clearances have been temporarily revoked.

Now remember, the idea that Rove is responsible for this is nothing new, yet the Secret Service has done nothing to-date to secure the President and the White House from whoever is guilty. For more on Rove as the source, check out the "historical briefings" here, here, here, here, here, and here.

 Newsweek (via Atrios):

The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

But this is very interesting:

Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special prosecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talked to prosecutors with the permission of their sources. Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources.

It appears that unlike Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, Karl Rove did not give Cooper permission to discuss the scandal with the Special Prosecutor. Which is odd, given that Rove serves at the pleasure of the United States of America (via AmericaBlog):

Q Mr. President, on another issue, the CIA leak-gate. What is your confidence level in the results of the DOJ investigation about any of your staffers not being found guilty or being found guilty? And what do you say to critics of the administration who say that this administration retaliates against naysayers?

PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, I'm glad you brought that question up. This is a very serious matter, and our administration takes it seriously. As members of the press corps here know, I have, at times, complained about leaks of security information, whether the leaks be in the legislative branch or in the executive branch. And I take those leaks very seriously.

And, therefore, we will cooperate fully with the Justice Department. I've got all the confidence in the world the Justice Department will do a good, thorough job. And that's exactly what I want them to do, is a good, thorough job. I'd like to know who leaked, and if anybody has got any information inside our government or outside our government who leaked, you ought to take it to the Justice Department so we can find out the leaker.

I have told my staff, I want full cooperation with the Justice Department. And when they ask for information, we expect the information to be delivered on a timely basis. I expect it to be delivered on a timely basis. I want there to be full participation, because, April, I am most interested in finding out the truth.

And, you know, there's a lot of leaking in Washington, D.C. It's a town famous for it. And if this helps stop leaks of -- this investigation in finding the truth, it will not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked -- and this is a serious charge, by the way. We're talking about a criminal action, but also hopefully will help set a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop, as well. And so I look forward to finding the truth.

Actually, I doubt Bush is looking forward to anything that is remotely related to the Truth when it comes to this TreasonGate. And we all know that more and more people are going to be sucked into the TreasonGate Scandal, Digby gets the following tip:

Wilson indicates that the work up on him beginning March, 2003, turned up the information on Valerie -- which was then shared with Karl Rove who then circulated it through Administration and neo-Conservative circles. He cites conservative journalists who claimed to have had the information before the Novak column.

So the question is -- in the work-up process beginning about March 2003, who had the information re: Plame?

I think it was John Bolton. At the time he was State Department Deputy Secretary with the portfolio in WMD and Nuclear Proliferation. Assuming that Valerie Plame's identity was that of a NOC (No Official Cover) the information about her would have been highly classified, compartmentalized, and only those with a need to know would know. Bolton's Job probably gave him that status. However to receive it he would have to sign off on the classification -- that is he would have to agree to retain the security the CIA had established.

At the time, Bolton had two assistants who also worked in the White House in Cheney's office, David Wurmser and John Hannah. Their names have been around as the potential leakers -- Hannah if you remember is the guy who kept putting the Yellow Cake back in Bush's speeches even though Tenet had demanded it be removed.

So -- I think we have a game of catch going on here -- or maybe some version of baseball, and the scoring is Bolton to Wurmser and Hannah, to Cheney (and/or Libby) to Rove.

Also, a full investigation of Rove and the media, will of course come back to Jeff Gannon. Somebody in the inner-circle of the White House planted Jeff Gannon and with Jeff Gannon's relationship to the Plame Affair, we're going to see a lot more on this. Which could potentially even move the scandal into something beyond lying about treason. When I searched my computer for "Rove + Source" I found the following transcript from an appearance I had on Air America earlier this year. The transcript is from this MP3, about a 102 minutes in (from 02/03/2005):

Sam Seder: Just go back to the Gannon thing for a little bit, where do you think the investigation is going to come from?

Bob Brigham: I think that Congress, in one way or anot her, is going to have to start investigating. If this continues to be a blog-driven investigation, it's a worse case scenario for a lot of Republicans, specifically Republicans who might have hypocrisy liability on a gay prostitute story and it will actually defuse the story somewhat by there being an investigation, just because then it won't be just constantly the blogosphere outing more and more Republican hypocrites.

Sam Seder: So Bob, let me read between the lines here. What you're saying is that there may be information out there, that there are some gentleman involved in the White House, who have taken some positions that would be inconsistent with perhaps some of their sexual dalliances.

Bob Brigham: You know, the Republican Party has more perverts than a whorehouse on Saturday night.

Sam Seder: Sweet Bob

Janeane Garofalo: Nice one.

Bob Brigham: We saw this in the nineties with Clinton. And the hypocrisy there when that come to light was very telling in the true moral character of the Republican Party.

Sam Seder: That's right. Henry Hyde had like three girlfriends or something like that.

Bob Brigham: Livingston was taken down, was Speaker for what, a week? And now that that the Republican Party has spent two years bashing gays, that is going to catch up with the Republican Party also. The fact that they are now bashing the AARP on gay marriage, they're seniors, they aren't having gay sex, they aren't having any sex. It's seniors. It just shows how ridiculous the entire smearing people as homosexual, conduct has become in the Republican Party and they're going to pay a price for their hubris.

Sam Seder: So you're saying that there's going to be perhaps a couple of Ed Shrockian moments coming up?

Bob Brigham: I think definitly. I think that is going to be a very interesting swing of the penjelum.

Janeane Garofalo: May I throw my two cents in Bob, because you've be unbelievably polite about this. Here's exactly is going to happen. Here is what the Gannon/Guckert sexual hypocrisy, whatever the scandal is, beyond the scandal we all know about. My gut feeling is that Karl Rove is either bisexual or gay, Scott McClellan, either bisexual or gay and either one of those two men - I tend to think it is Karl Rove - has had an affair with Ganon/Guckert.

[SILENCE]

Janeane Garofalo: Oh, don't be so silenced.

Bob Brigham: Oh, well that is a very interesting theory.

Sam Seder: Well it remains to be seen. It remains to be seen.

Janeane Garofalo: I'm telling you that Rove and McClellan, I mean, Ken Mehlman is at least up front about being gay, is he not?

Sam Seder: I don't know.

Janeane Garofalo: He at least admits to being gay, doesn't he?

Sam Seder: I don't think so.

Bob Brigham: He refuses to claim that he's straight in public.

Janeane Garofalo: Well I mean at least's he's, I don't think he's as closeted. He unfortunately supports a homophobic, bigoted, hypocritical agenda and that's the problem, not his gayness. And who cares if Gannon/Guckert is gay or bi and who cares if Rove or McClellan are gay except for their hypocrisy and their gay-unfriendly agenda. But I'm telling you McClellan, Rove, Ralph Reed, these guys are the gay mafia, they are gay as French horns as they say. I don't know why French horns are gay, but I think that the Gannon/Guckert scandal is, that the source of it is that Rove is his lover.

Discovering where this leads is going to be great fun, hubris is expensive and the bill is now past-due. Sure you're saying that would be totally ridiculous. Let me remind you of this White House exchange with Scott McClellan (via slate):

   Q: On the Robert Novak-Joseph Wilson situation, Novak reported earlier this year quoting "anonymous government sources" telling him that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative. Now, this is apparently a federal offense, to burn the cover [of] a CIA operative. Wilson now believes that the person who did this was Karl Rove. He's quoted from a speech last month as saying, "At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs." Did Karl Rove tell that--

    A: I haven't heard that. That's just totally ridiculous. But we've already addressed this issue. If I could find out who anonymous people were, I would. I just said, it's totally ridiculous.

    Q: But did Karl Rove do it?

    A: I said, it's totally ridiculous.

Hubris is costly.

Who'd I leave out?


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Happy Fourth of July! (none / 0)

Awesome analysis Bob. I've been waiting for someone to pull all the strings together on this story. Congratulations. You may have the first couple of chapters on a book here. Democrats and liberals can take back the flag, patriotism and the whole damn country if even a fraction of this pans out.

Fourth of July Wishes

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 06:05:14 PM EST

GOP IS LOOTING AMERICA... (none / 0)

Anything to distract us from their looting of America..
by ultraworld on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 11:23:14 PM EST
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Time Magazine story is out (none / 0)

Hat tip to Seeing the Forest, The Rove Factor?

And some analysis, Things worse than jail?:

Reporters wouldn't be going to jail to protect a source who has signed a document releasing them from confidentiality. So either it is someone else, or the reporters understand that Rove signed the document as a formality, and worse things than jail will happen to them if they snitch on this White House.

There's more.

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 06:21:43 PM EST

The Robert Joseph Factor (none / 0)

Robert Joseph is an old hand at the NSC, and a long time neo-con, going back to Reagan era. Now, he's John Bolton's replacement and right hand man.

A Google Search and some yellowcake quick hits:

Who is Robert Joseph?

RightWeb on Robert Joseph

Moving into John Bolton's old job, Robert G. Joseph is the right-wing's advance man for counterproliferation as the conceptual core of a new U.S. military policy. Within the administration, he leads a band of counterproliferationists who ... have placed preemptive attacks and weapons of mass destruction at the center of U.S. national security strategy.

Comparative Research -- Robert Joseph and the 16 Words

Robert G. Joseph actively participated in the following events:

A day or two days before January 28      

Robert G. Joseph, director for nonproliferation at the National Security Council (NSC), telephones senior CIA official Alan Foley and argues that the Africa-uranium claim should be included in Bush's upcoming State of the Union address. When Foley warns that the allegation has little evidence to support it, Mr. Joseph instead requests that the speech include a remark saying that the British had learned that Iraq was seeking uranium in Africa, leaving out the bit about Niger and the exact quantity of uranium that was allegedly sought. [The Washington Post, 7/17/03; New York Times, 7/17/03; New York Times, 7/17/03; The Washington Post, 7/27/03; Time Magazine, 7/21/03 Sources: Two unnamed senior administration officials interviewed by Time, Alan Foley] Joseph claims he does not recall the discussion and White House communications director Dan Bartlett calls Foley's version of events a "conspiracy theory." [The Washington Post, 7/27/03]

People and organizations involved: Alan Foley, Robert G. Joseph, Dan Bartlett

Robert Gaffney at the NRO says it's a Liberal CIA Plot to smear Robert Joseph!

Joseph's convictions and abilities have served George W. Bush well over the past two-and-a-half years and, it appears, earned him the president's confidence. They have, moreover, been all the more noteworthy by comparison with the uneven quality of other members of the NSC staff -- most of whom are detailees from the State Department and CIA with little, if any, commitment to this president. ...

It should come as no surprise that bureaucracies that are hostile to President Bush have taken a dim view of Joseph and others who have proven so effective in helping him to articulate and advance his Reaganesque philosophy of international peace through American strength. Neither should anyone be surprised that the NSC counter-proliferation chief's foes would try to take him out, or at least diminish his authority, by making him a scapegoat for the present controversy.

Fortunately, Bob Joseph's integrity, professionalism, and outstanding service to his country and to this president are such that we can feel confident that any help he provided to the preparation of the State of the Union address was fully consistent with the NSC's responsibility for making sure that presidential statements are factually correct and consistent with administration policy. Despite much blather to the contrary, that was certainly true of the 16-word statement (as Cliff May convincingly demonstrated recently in "Scandal!")

The CIA's efforts to make Joseph the fall guy for the present imbroglio should fail -- for the aforementioned and many other reasons. Joseph's name should be cleared and his considerable contribution to the national security should be able to continue undiminished for year's to come.


by ck on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 03:56:40 PM EST
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Re: Time Magazine story is out (none / 0)

Neither Cooper or the Queen of Iraq can buck the WHouse without total destruction.   Jail becomes far easier.   Novak survives.   Rove survives.   Where's the prosecutor?  This is a "slam dunk". It is obvious on all levels that it would take a month or so to have wrapped it up.  What a charade!
by morris1030 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 09:05:36 PM EST
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Opinions from freeperville (none / 0)

Courtesy of guest blogger Radical Russ  at Pam's House Blend:

Radical Russ also has some fascinating freeper quotes about why it doesn't matter if Rove leaked Valerie Plame's identify:

It could be true, it could be false, but  if it is not a crime - it has no impact. The key to whether it was a crime or not is in her status at the time the disclosure was made, and whether the information (her identity and employment as a covert CIA operative) had been made public (albeit with less dissemination than in Novak's column) earlier.

All in all, it's no big deal if it was Rove, IMO, except that it will be bad PR. I don't think there is a criminal case to be made.

Yummm!  Terrorism with cheese:
Yeah but most of us know about the connections between Saddam's Iraq and Al-Queso yet it's an extremely popular talking point to claim that President Bush "lied about Saddam's involvement in 9/11". Two completely different things, yet when spun properly...

My theory on this remains that it was her husband who exposed her as an agent to try and get back at Bush.

Look at the buzz O'Donnell is creating just by mentioning the name of Karl Rove. It's the old "mud at the wall" trick. Hurl enough of it and some may stick.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:06:58 AM EST

Re: Opinions from freeperville (none / 0)

That picture from Rove's attack on liberals. Was that a preemtive shot across the bow because he knew this was coming?

Love the caption, btw.

by cotterperson on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 03:30:07 PM EST
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Re: Opinions from freeperville (none / 0)

MY god... those people are stupid.
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 08:02:35 PM EST
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This just in from the Dept. of the Obvious (none / 0)

This is off topic, but Radical Russ deserves a mention of his blog for the great graphics, Radical Writ:

Abu Ghraib fuels Muslim hatred of U.S.

(Reuters) "A generation of young Muslims, fed on the images of Abu Ghraib, of the treatment reserved for the Guantanamo detainees and rumours about profanation of the Koran, will have filled the al Qaeda ranks and those of other extremist groups," said the report made public on Friday.

"The longer the detention is in the camps the more the hatred against the U.S. and the West becomes anchored in hearts and minds," it said.

"Being fully aware of the U.S. authorities' dilemma between national and world security and long procedures, we recommend terminating the Guantanamo detention facility by announcing a calendar of closure."

Click through to Radical Writ for the stinging punch line *Of course . . .

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:21:31 AM EST

Who'd you leave out? (none / 0)

You left out Bush & Co's bankers. There is no way in Hell that they are doing all this just for political gain. It's monetary gain that really gets the heart racing.

If they are siphoning off money from the two wars, from bribes and payoffs, from hidden investments and war profiteering, then it is being sheltered somewhere. And they have to have bankers to take care of it all.

Why am I so certain that they have stolen millions, if not billions? Because his two daughters act like they are literal royalty. They have no inclination to get a job, develop a career, or even be polite to people. That sort of entitlement only comes to children who know that they never, ever, ever have to work a day in their lives or count on anyone for anything.

And don't forget Murray Waas's American Prospect piece of 3/8/04:

Rove and other White House officials described to the FBI what sources characterized as an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere. Rove is said to have named at least six other administration officials who were involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.

What "conservative interest groups" were doing Rove's bidding? "Talking points" were distributed - to whom? Might Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly be listed as those "allies of the administration"? If they leaked this to Novak, what other journalists are on their "go-to" lists? And this doesn't sound like a new situation for the White House - what other disinformation/destruction campaigns have they run?

And who is getting the payoffs from Rove? Novak wouldn't run with this stuff just because he likes the Bushevekis. They are paying for public opinion - those are the names that also need to emerge.

Because if Rove, Bush, Cheney, Abrams, Bolton and all this crew are going to be revealed and jailed, their waterbearers on conservative radio and cable need to go, too.

by Louise on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:25:38 PM EST

A Very Tangled Web (none / 0)

Bilmon has a very detailed and wide ranging post up Have Another Slice of Yellowcake, Karl:

But whether Fitzgerald actually is in pursuit of the great white Karl remains unclear. A few months ago, the usual unnamed sources were blowing smoke in the media about the investigation being "almost wrapped up" with only a few niggling loose ends -- like threatening to throw Judy Miller and Matt Cooper in the slammer -- left untied. Indictments, we were told, were not expected, at least not under the statute dealing with the deliberate outing of intelligence operatives.

But, as we all learned from Ken Starr, a special prosecutor armed with a grand jury can roam far and wide in search of big game, and never have to worry about losing his hunting licence. So the last paragraph of this story from the Chicago Tribune -- Fitzgerald's home town paper -- might have caused Rove's triple chin to quiver just a little:

The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has evolved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity, or of an attempt to cover up White House involvement in the leak.

Rove: I did not have quote with that woman.

Josh Marshall has noted that a close look at the Plame outing might lead a conscientious investigator to scrutinize some of the issues raised by the story that originally led to the Plame outing -- that is, the report of a wholly mythical effort by Iraq to purchase 500 tons of yellowcake uranium ore from Niger.

It's now known that the yellowcake report originated with the Italian security service, the SISMI (the same lovely people who gave us the "strategy of tension.") Marshall says his own reporting has also traced the forged papers that supposedly documented the Niger story to SISMI -- but no further.

Any number of conspiracy theories have been offered to explain the ultimate origin of those documents. In its own investigation of the WMD snipe hunt, the Senate Whitewashing Committee, er, I mean, the Senate Intelligence Committee, rather studiously avoided the subject, which supposedly was left for the FBI to investigate.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 02:13:04 AM EST

INVESTIGATE THE CBS PAPERS!! (none / 0)

DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION OF THE CBS PAPERS!!
THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!
I'll be coming back and making this demand untill America does the right thing and investigates the CBS papers and prosecutes the wrongdoers!! LIKE THE LAW REQUIRES!!.
Think the CBS Papers are forged? PROVE IT!!! No one else has!! EVER!! And the man in the center, George Bush had never denied that they are real!! Remember that, its important!! How did the media let Bush get away with not denying them?? And how did they get to be "private papers" anyway?
First of all, they're federal documents: The Big Lie is that they're "private papers" And they are impossible to prove or disprove.
 Look at them: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf
You've been lied to by highly paid experts: these are not "private papers" they are part of the Public Record. Three of them are under letterhead of a USAF unit (the 111thFIS)  they are official USAF business and they're signed or initialed by the commander of the 111thFIS in the performance of his duty as commander of that unit.
And they would not be hard to prove or disprove officially--They are beyond a doubt, by any reasonable interpretation, USAF documents and their only meaning is as USAF documents: George Bush's paper trail, the record of what he did in the "service of his country." He USAF could propve or disprove these papers easily--just put all the surviving chain of command under oath and ask them the circumstances--either the papers are real--in which case they've seen them before--or theyre not and they haven't--then start investigating where they came from.
  George Bush knows RIGHT NOW whether theyre real or not! And he hasn't denied them yet!! Just had his bloggers and surrogates declare them false, not any official agency. Why not, if theyre forged? That's what the Feds are for!!

So if theyre federal, USAF documents, why didn't the federal government investigate them when all the allegations of their falsity came out in September? Why has no one in the federal government ever even suggested an official inquiry into these allegedly forged papers?
It is the duty of the federal government to maintain the integrity of its documents and to prosecute any wrongdoing concerning them. This duty is so inherent to the federal government, it almost goes without saying--untill now. Now its not?
Why didn't the federal government investigate the CBS papers?? Because they reveal and illuminate crimes  committed by Bush's superiors: altering federal USAF documents about George Bush to hide his dereliction of duty: refusing to take his flight physical, which ended his flight career.
The papers tell a story that Bush has never told: how and why he was suspended from flying, told by his CO, Col Jerry Killian. Killiian agrees to alter Bush's documents ("...I will backdate but not rate....") and the proof that he did is in the Bush posted documents themselves, like this one:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif
http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc9.gif
What Killian did do in this document is move ("backdate") Bush's exit from his unit from Sep 15th 1972, when Bush received his actual orders to Alabama, to May 15th, almost 4 months earlier. This was done in spite of a 10 document paper trail showing Bush to be in his unit after he said Bush had left it. Documents like this:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif
and this: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif
This covers the date of Bush's suspension--Killian and Harris are saying he wasn't there when he unquestionably was!!
Col Killian did, absolutely, no doubt about it, "backdate but not rate" Bush on this OETR, just like he says in the 7th CBS document (ref above)  This is a crime!! Falsifying federal documents!! A commander can't enter information he knows to be false on an official USAF form!!
But Killian did it!! There's the evidence!! And there's a lot more, involving Killian, and Col Bobby Hodges and Maj Rufus Martin!!
What Bush did was "ghost" a submilitary term meaning not to be there while  counted as being there. An earlier generation referred to this as goldbricking.
Bush's superiors carried him on the books of the 111th as a pilot, and paid him as a pilot, for pilot service he did not perform!! He could NOT have performed it--he was suspended from flying!! This is FRAUD!! He was also discharged on the basis of points given him for this "ghost" (nonexistent) duty. THIS IS ALSO FRAUD!!
He should have been reclassified and reassigned--here's the proof: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc12.gif
 "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/29/73)
Over a year afterwards and the high command is telling Bush's superiors he should have been reassigned in May 72. That's because they kept him on the books as a pilot for over a year after they had suspended him. Notice also theyre saying Bush wasn't there for the whole year, like Killian and Harris say it also--but how did Bush get paid for pilot duty in the 111th in Jan and Apr of 1973 (Pay records: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73milpay-p1.html ) if he wasn't there?? This is FRAUD!!

That--and more!!--is why the Bush administration HAD to get the CBS papers declared false without the official investigation that the situation  demands. These are USAF documents that, if forged, libel the President and several other USAF officers, and, though these have been discredited in the media and internet, they have never been proven false by the agencies specifically tasked to protect the integrity of federal documents: in this case, the USAF IG and the USAF OSI. And so far, the USAF IG and the USAF OSI have been derelict in their duty to investigate
It is the DUTY of the USAF to investigate allegedly false USAF documents, IT IS THEIR DUTY!! And it is the duty of the rest of the federal government also!!Why has the USAF shirked their duty to investigate allegedly false USAF documents?? THAT IS THE QUESTION WE NEED TO KEEP ASKING!! And demand an answer!!

Even if you don't agree with me that these papers are real and show proof of crimes committed DEMAND A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION!! IT'S THEIR DUTY!! And theyre avoiding it!!
What do we pay the USAF IG, the USAF OSI and the FBI for anyway? Demand they quit shirking their duty and do the job they get paid for: Maintainng the integrity of USAF documents
America needs to know the truth abot these papers!! And they won't get it from Bush!!

by exlrrp on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:11:30 AM EST

It was a bank shot by Rove (none / 0)


Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources.

It appears that unlike Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, Karl Rove did not give Cooper permission to discuss the scandal with the Special Prosecutor.


It does not appear that way from the Newsweek article you quoted above.  Directly following that paragraph about Cooper talking about  Libby Michael Isikoff says


Initially, Fitzgerald's focus was on Novak's sourcing, since Novak was the first to out Plame. But according to Luskin, Rove's lawyer, Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared. Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said. But one of the two lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the White House told NEWSWEEK that there was growing "concern" in the White House that the prosecutor is interested in Rove. Fitzgerald declined
to comment. [emphasis added]

What I think that we need to assume from this is that in fact Rove, like Liddy, authorized Cooper to talk and he has.  From that it follows that there must have been someone else who was the key leaker here as far as Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald is concerned. And that someone other than Rove, who has not yet signed a waiver, probably has not been asked to sign such a waiver because he is not obviously connected with the Whitehouse.


What we may be looking at here is some sort of bank shot by Rove where he planted this story somewhere else that is not easy to trace to him. That would be very much in keeping with Rove's MO.  For example see this article by Joshua Green about how Rove leaked the false rumor that former Alabama Justice Kennedy was a homosexual pedophile resulting in his decision not to run for reelection


Some of Kennedy's campaign commercials touted his volunteer work, including one that showed him holding hands with children. "We were trying to counter the positives from that ad," a former Rove staffer told me, explaining that some within the See camp initiated a whisper campaign that Kennedy was a pedophile. "It was our standard practice to use the University of Alabama Law School to disseminate whisper-campaign information," the staffer went on. "That was a major device we used for the transmission of this stuff. The students at the law school are from all over the state, and that's one of the ways that Karl got the information out--he knew the law students would take it back to their home towns and it would get out." This would create the impression that the lie was in fact common knowledge across the state. "What Rove does," says Joe Perkins, "is try to make something so bad for a family that the candidate will not subject
the family to the hardship. Mark [Kennedy] is not your typical Alabama macho, beer-drinkin', tobacco-chewin', pickup-drivin' kind of guy. He is a small, well-groomed, well-educated family man, and what they tried to do was make him look like a homosexual pedophile. That was really, really hard to take."

If this was the sort of tactic Rove used here, he may have perjured himself before the grand jury when asked about any other conversations on the subject before the grand jury.  He didn't have his lawyer with him and Rove is not a lawyer himself.  It may be that if Fitzgerald could get the name of  Coopers main source and question him, that would lead to the information needed to prove that Rove is not only behind the leak, but is guilty of perjury.  But Cooper's promise to some source who is probably far from the Whitehouse may remain the key roadblock to proving that Rove planted the story and outright lied about it. 


I like freedom of the press as much as anyone, but there is a chance of getting Rove to do that frog march thing I wouldn't mind using a few stress positions on a few reporters.

by Fred in Vermont on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 04:40:58 PM EST

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Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him.

I wonder when he signed the waiver. It is quite possible he signed very recently.

by Meade on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 10:47:00 AM EST
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better answer (none / 0)

The White House directed all employees involved, including Rove, to release the press from confidentiality. He did so. However, the policy of both the NYT and Time is to not treat such a situation as a legitimate release, since it may be coerced. (If that counts as a release, an administration can shut down whistleblowers with such a blanket order).

Credit here.

This explains why the waiver dosen't mean much.

by Meade on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 08:54:03 PM EST
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