Proof The Filibuster Deal Was a Victory

At the end of May, just after the filibuster deal, the DSCC reported 7.37M cash on hand. Also at the end of May, the NRSC reported 5.06M cash on hand. That was a 45% advantage for Democrats. However, in just one month, that advantage has ballooned to roughly 100%:
"Six months into the 2006 election cycle, Senate Democrats have set a torrid fundraising pace and have roughly twice the available campaign cash their GOP counterparts do, soon-to-be filed fundraising reports will show," Roll Call reports.

"Senate Democrats' fundraising has been buoyed by a variety of factors, including the high-profile battle over judicial nominations and the tenacity and New York fundraising base of DSCC Chairman Charles Schumer."

Way to go Schumer! Three cheers for Harry Reid! Still, their success relative to the NRSC is at least partially the result of ineptitude on the part of the NRSC. Look, for example, at this pathetic fundraising letter they sent in early June:
But the most disturbing affiliation between the Democratic leadership and the radical left was reported last week by Congress Daily. They reported that Senator Minority Leader Harry Reid "has worked closely with liberal internet community sites like DailyKos.com and his office is "in near daily contact with Kos."
Harry Reid is associating himself with people who hate Republicans! OMG! I bet Republicans never thought he would do that.

The real reason, however, that Democrats were able to destroy Republicans over the past month of Senate fundraising is that the Republican base hates the job the Republican Senate is doing. In particular, they felt completely betrayed and let down by the filibuster deal at the end of May. It shows in what was a very weak June for Republicans in Senate fundraising. Keep in mind that this is the only committee where Democrats even have 30% of what Republicans have in terms of cash on hand, and not only are they not getting beaten, they are doubling Republicans up. Further, most of that lead was built after the still recent filibuster deal. Can any other conclusion be drawn except that the deal seriously damaged the relationship between the Republican leadership and its base?

A lot of people here and elsewhere on the netroots have vehemently argued that the deal was a defeat. The basic reasoning for those who hold this belief is that three of the worst judges ended up being confirmed, we won't be able to use the filibuster in the future anyway (although Bolton tells a very different story), and instead Democrats should have taken a principled stand against all ten judges. The theory here is that even though doing so would have resulted in the elimination of the filibuster and the confirmation of all ten judges, Democrats would have scored significant political points by doing this, and came out looking like a party that stood for something. What this position ignores is that is would have also fired up the Republican base, and no one was really paying attention to the filibuster war anyway, so it wouldn't have improved the national Democratic image at all.

With the filibuster deal, we now have a weakened Republican Senate Committee, seven of the ten judges were not confirmed, and the filibuster remains in place for the Supreme Court debate. Without the deal, we would have had ten out of ten judges confirmed, an excited Republican base, no filibuster available for the upcoming fight, and no national image improvement no matter what stance we took. Now, someone please tell me again, how exactly was the filibuster deal not more of a victory than a defeat?



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Get Obama (none / 0)

Didn't he bring in like 100k in one day for Robert Byrd?
John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 12:55:38 PM EST

link? (none / 0)

Is there an e-patriots or ActBlue link through which we can donate so that the DSCC knows its coming from MyDD reader?
by desmoulins on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:09:29 PM EST

Re: link? (3.00 / 1)

I just saw your comment and thought I'd whip up a page for the MyDD community real quick-like:

https://secure.ga3.org/03/contribute_now_mydd

It's just a clone of our basic contribution page but it will allow us internally to track MyDD contributions.  Hope this is helpful.

by mliddell on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 08:47:02 AM EST
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Re: link? (2.00 / 1)

Fuck off.  You guys just want the data.

Actblue is better because then the DSCC doesn't get to control the donor list.

by SocialNetworker on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 10:50:00 AM EST
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Re: link? (3.00 / 1)

No worries - here's a link to contribute to the DSCC through ActBlue if that's more your style:

http://www.actblue.com/directory/orgs/party

by mliddell on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 11:35:03 AM EST
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Re: link? (none / 0)

Thanks; just checked back and saw the link. MAde a donation, too.
by desmoulins on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 04:35:51 PM EST
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Strategic Retreat (none / 0)

At the time, I said that the Filibuster Deal was a tactical retreat, that preserved the status quo in the Senate -- which was far more important than whether this handful of judges were confirmed or not.

To channel Sun Tzu, the Democrats were on untenable ground when the deal was brokered. Victory was not assured, but a strategic withdrawl and a delay before the battle was joined was definitely in our interest.

Is it now a victory? Not yet -- but the Fates are trending in our favor . . .

by ck on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:20:17 PM EST

Re: Strategic Retreat (none / 0)

Practically speaking, the deal was good for the Republicans because as of right now, 6 of the 7 disputed judges have been confirmed.

Politically speaking, the deal was a disaster for the Republicans as they are seen as failing to deliver for their base.

All things considered, the Democrats could not stop the judges from being confirmed, but I believe they may have won a bigger political victory with the deal than without it.

by wayward on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 06:02:59 PM EST
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Re: Strategic Retreat (none / 0)

Some might find it troubling that when Republicans win six out of seven their supporters consider it a defeat, and when Democrats win one out of seven their supporters consider it a victory. If your standards are sufficiently low losing 86% of the time apparently morphs into triumph.
by georgewturd on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 08:12:33 PM EST
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Deal was a Victory (none / 0)

I agree with you 100% on this Chris.  I think that Senator Reid has handled the whole filibuster issue perfectly.
  I have always feared that if the Republicans were ever allowed to vote illegally to change the rules on the filibuster that they would then change them whenever they wanted to to move legislation.  The Democrats would not be able to bring the Senate to a grinding halt because the stakes would be so high that the Republican leadership would have to change the rules again and again to allow them to seem to be conducting regular business.  Much like the House leadership runs the House.  Harry Reid has very carefully avoided this situation and has therefore managed to preserve the filibuster.  My belief is that he is trying to avoid a situation where the rules might be changed illegally until the 2006 election season.  
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:25:43 PM EST

Reaching (none / 0)

You know, I think you're really reaching. This to me, is a pretty big bridge you're trying to hang on a little twig. I suppose it could be true, but doesn't it sound farfetched to you? Color me skeptical.
by MNPundit on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:59:45 PM EST

Re: Reaching (none / 0)

I wouldn't go quite that far, but we'll have to see.  It's way too early to tell whether the deal was a good thing.  I don't think it was, but I'm open to the idea.

My Senate friends think it was a good idea.

by SocialNetworker on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 04:00:35 PM EST
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WOW!!! ... now this..is what I call stretching!!!! (none / 0)

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 02:11:55 PM EST

Mea Culpa (none / 0)

Your explanation makes sense to me Chris. I wasn't at all pleased with the filibuster deal, but it obviously wasn't as big a deal to me or the Democratic base as it was to the Republican base. I don't know what other conclusion can be rationally drawn. I don't have any idea why you are being accused of stretching. Those who accuse you of stretching are obligated to offer an alternative explanation that is more likely or more reasonable. Just making an accusation of "stretching" is not an argument.

I also don't think judicial appointments are where and how the Democrats want to define themselves. I have the same complaint about the upcoming SCOTUS battle. It looks to me like Dems are hanging their entire hat on the issue of abortion. I hope they are also going to be getting economic issues that SCOTUS decisions affect front and center.

by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 02:37:57 PM EST

Re: Mea Culpa (none / 0)

It is stretching because there are NO FACTS just factesques.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 02:48:34 PM EST
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Re: Mea Culpa (none / 0)

Even if Roe was overturned, it would just go back to the states.

Some states would ban it, but most would not. I suspect the states that would probably don't have very many clinics anyway.

Most areas would probably end up with laws similar to those in Europe. Abortion would still be legal, but would be more regulated and more restricted the later it was.

by wayward on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 07:08:19 AM EST
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Guess again (3.00 / 1)

William Greider revealed why the Dems are doing so well in fund raising. They are performing fellatio on the super-rich at the expense of working people:

In the glow after last fall's election victory, Grover Norquist, ringmaster for the right's tax-cutting circus, mischievously compared minority Democrats in Congress to a bunch of neutered farm animals. Once snipped, he said, they can be counted on to accept comfortably "the finality of their powerlessness." Norquist often employs such tasteless metaphors. He also often gets the politics right.

At this moment, Senate Democrats are preparing to take a dive on the issue they have righteously hammered for four years--repeal of the estate tax--and they intend to call this "victory." The Dems want to negotiate a "compromise" with Senate Republicans that will restore the inheritance tax while reducing the rate at which estates are taxed and exempting many more families who are rich but not extremely rich. Yet the outlines of what Democrats are pursuing looks like a monstrous giveaway. It would yield roughly $420 billion in tax relief for the very wealthiest families. Indeed, the bipartisan bargaining may wind up producing far greater revenue losses. When wobbly-kneed Democrats set out to negotiate with hard-nosed Republicans on taxes, the Republic is very likely the loser.

This cave-in would make a joke of Democrats' fervent demands for fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets...

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Uyjxxup3boMJ:www.commondreams.org/views05/0702-26.htm+greider+sch umer+inheritance&hl=en

And who engineered the cave-in? Our hero, Chuck Schumer.

Hooray!

by georgewturd on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 05:42:34 PM EST

Re: Guess again (none / 0)

You realize that the more money we raise, the better our chances at retaking the senate will be.  Do you think Majority Leader Reid will bring up legislation that hurts poor people and helps the rich??
John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 08:42:56 PM EST
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Golden Rule (none / 0)

You realize that the more money we raise, the better our chances at retaking the senate will be.

Not true...

This kind of blood money only "buys" us small "d" candidates like Casey, Salazar and Roemer.

There is the GOlden Rule at play here: "He who gives the gold, names the candidate".

This now clarifies why Shumer seems incapable of "finding" serious large "D" Democrats to run and why he runs out of the races anyone who is NOT bought and paid for by corporations.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 02:35:59 AM EST
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Re: Golden Rule (none / 0)

So your solution to our problem is to run a candidate with no elected experience and no chance of willing who is a "big D" (which i can only assume to mean big liberal) against Rick Santorum?  There is a reason Rick Santorum got elected, it's because PA is not Berkeley.  Running a candidate like Casey is exactly the right strategy, he has proven the ability to win state wide.  True he is not perfect but not perfect is better than Santorum.

You can sit on your moral horse all you want but I would rather win.

by DCOC on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 08:04:43 AM EST
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Re: Golden Rule (none / 0)

Win what???

Another shitty Dem in DC who refuses to represent his party... big woop

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 03:42:02 PM EST
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Re: Golden Rule (none / 0)

So you are going to sit here and tell me you would rather see Rick Santorum than Bob Casey?

WOW!

by DCOC on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 04:36:59 PM EST
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You'd Prefer Senator Coors? (3.00 / 1)

As a Colorado Democrat, I'm really sick of so called "Progressives" dumping on Ken Salazar.

The choice was Salazar or Coors -- Mike Miles and Mark Udall were not on the ballot, and they would have lost if they had been the Democratic nominee.

Am I happy with everything Ken Salazar has done? Of course not -- but he is a Democrat, who supports our caucus on all of the vital issues.

But some people would rather have another Wing Nut Republican in the Senate, than a Conservative Democrat.

Ken Salazar may not be perfect, but he's a lot more valuable than whiney progressives who can't support anyone who doesn't pass all of their litmus tests.

by ck on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 10:47:53 AM EST
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Re: You'd Prefer Senator Coors? (none / 0)

Scalia will be appointed Chief Justice when Rehnquist retires. Scalia supports "revisiting" the constitutionality of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Salazar has indicated that he would support Scalia to be Chief Justice. If Salazar votes to confirm, thereby sanctioning regression on civil rights, is it then permissable to criticize him? Michael Medved advocates confiscating a woman's right to vote on the basis that females have abused their franchise by suppporting traitors like President Clinton. If Bush nominates a Medved clone and Salazar supports him, is it permissable to criticize the senator? Everyone ultimately has a litmus test, so the only question is where you choose to draw the line. The unthinking refrain that progressives are politically obtuse because they expect their elected representatives to behave honorably grows increasingly tiresome.
by georgewturd on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 12:04:49 PM EST
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Re: You'd Prefer Senator Coors? (none / 0)

Ken Salazar may not be perfect

No, he is a pathetic turd who should have never been elected.

There is NOT ONE SAVING GRACE about this asshole... you can't even claim that he is Democrat since he refuses to vote with the party.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 03:41:00 PM EST
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Moreover (none / 0)

The Democrats kept the filibuster in their pocket. Money or not, suddenly there's much more leverage for the Democrats.

Now that the easy regulatory legislation is over and Congress is busy working on judicial nominations and doling out the pork...sudden the GOP looks a little tepid. Bush's big deal Social Security legislation died and Iraq's lack of progress has made it harder for him to push other "big picture" ideas.

Starting hot but going cold...that's the real GOP we all know and love!

by risenmessiah on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 09:57:50 PM EST

Re: Moreover (none / 0)

suddenly there's much more leverage for the Democrats.

Where???? There is no leverage at all...

Suddenly CNN is calling Gonzales a "moderate" and a consensus candidate.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 02:38:17 AM EST
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Re: Moreover (none / 0)

The media can't see past the abortion debate.

Maybe it's just me, but I think a judge's position on TORTURE is a bit more important than whether or not he will uphold Roe.

by wayward on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 07:04:43 AM EST
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Re: Moreover (none / 0)

There's more leverage because Bush is being very candid about naming people. Sure, if you read Gonzales memoranda about Panama...it's creepy. But I think if Gonzales is picked its because the Democrats in the Senate roll over for him. If they want to tow a tougher line they have the leverage now.
by risenmessiah on Thu Jul 14, 2005 at 01:17:05 AM EST
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Deal Was Unmitigated Defeat (3.00 / 1)

Chris, you are a smart guy but you are totally wrong about this.  I said before and I repeat, the "deal" was exactly the worst possible result.

Why do I say that?  Because it has preserved the fillibuster for eventual use by the Republicans while nuetered any chance the Democrats could use it.  Think Im wrong?  Have you seen Reid already say that there will not be any fillibuster against a Supreme Court nominee?  I dont blame Reid for that.  The 7 Dems that surrendered the Democratic position have taken the position that ideology is not an extraordinary factor-or at least enough of the 7 for the Democrats not to be able to sustain a filibuster against a cloture motion.  Indeed, After letting Brown et all get confirmed, how can any of them argue that ideology should matter?

Now you may say, "so what, we would have lost the filibuster show down anyways."  Yes, but at least under that scenario the filibuster would be dead.  Progressives have such a losers mentality that we can't imagine the day that we could actually control the Senate and Presidency again.  I think we will achieve it by 2008.  Whether we do that soon or not, we will some day.  And believe me, when that day comes, the Republicans will filibuster EVERY significant judicial nominee proposed by the Democratic president.

One final point, often made by the folks at The American Prospect Blog.  Having the Repugs eliminate the filibuster for judicial nominees, opens the door for the Democrats to eliminate it for all purposes.  Since most Democratic legislation (min wage, health care, environmental protection) is subject to a filibuster and the Republicans traditional #1 issue, tax cuts for the wealthy, is (usually) not, there is a big Democratic Party advantage for eliminating the filibuster all together.

One last point.  I agree that the "base" is temporarily angered at Frist, Bush et al for the deal.  But once Bush nominates 2 hard right judges for the Supremes and gives them several more neo fascists for the appellate courts, they will realize what a victory for them the deal was.

In summary, the deal gave us nothing except MAYBE a very temporary fundraising advantage, though even this is doubtful. We have already accepted the worst appellate judges, with more to follow, we are going to get at least 2 very conservative supreme court nominees, with more possibly to follow, all the while preserving the filibuster for the Repugs to use in the future.

So can someone please explain again why this is such a good deal for the Democrats.  

Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 10:38:07 PM EST


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