The Daily Pulse: Byrd to Rumsfeld- "I've heard enough of your smart answers"

I'm guessing only Bush's canned speech kept these exchanges from being big news.  I mean, DAMN!  When a United States Senator tells the Secretary of Defense "I've heard enough of your smart answers" that should be front page news!  Maybe the press really is Bush's obedient lap dog.  If this isn't big news, I'm guessing Robert Byrd would have to shoot Rumsfeld and [have sex with*] his flopping corpse on C-Span to merit mention from corporate media (sorry, I was channeling the Rude Pundit for a second).

The other big issue today is the flag.  There were plenty of editorials about eminent domain and the Ten Commandments, but nothing new, and I'm taking editorial privilege (until the Supremes say I can't) to avoid rehashing those arguments.

*edited from original, out of concerns for "decency." Personally, my greater concern is that there seems to be no limit to Republicans' indecency, or the corporate media's refusal to take note of same.

The Courier News (Elgin, Illinois)

Demanding answers on Iraq

When the white-maned lion of the Senate engaged the steely-eyed defense chief in verbal combat over the war in Iraq last week, Americans saw the terms of our dilemma in sharp relief.

Usually, hearings on Capitol Hill are decorous and, not infrequently, boring. Not this one before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Everyone in the room tensed as Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., glared at Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Mr. Secretary," he said, "this war has been seriously and grossly mismanaged." He called it a "quagmire." He said, "Our troops are dying, and there is no end in sight." ...

"Isn't it time for you to resign?" Kennedy asked.

The furious defense secretary willed himself not to explode. He had offered his resignation to President Bush, who refused to accept it, Rumsfeld said levelly. ...

When Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, got the microphone, he praised the troops serving in Iraq, but said he is "very worried" that the United States is "overstressing our Guard and reservists," some of whom are going back to Iraq for a second and third time. He said he worries about recruiting shortfalls and retention. He said there are ongoing firefights over areas in Iraq that were already fought for and cleared as foreign insurgents pour across the borders into Iraq.

McCain, who thinks withdrawal would be disastrous for Iraq and the United States, also said he is frustrated with the Bush administration's reluctance to tell the American people basic details about Iraq, such as what percentage of the 170,000 Iraqis trained to fight are actually combat-ready.

Rumsfeld said that was classified. ...

At one point, Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., said he couldn't take it any more. He said Americans have a right to know what's happening in Iraq because they're paying for the war with the lives of their young men and women and billions of tax dollars.

Looking at Rumsfeld, Byrd accused him of sneering. "I don't mean to be discourteous, but I've heard enough of your smart answers. Get off your high horse when you come up here. I have to run for re-election and you don't. We represent the American people and they are asking questions. They haven't been told the truth. The administration says we're unpatriotic if we ask questions, but that's our job." ...

Bush is about to give a series of speeches about the war. They had better be persuasive. They had better have some hard and new facts. They had better be built on the premise that the only way the United States can lose this war is if the American people demand withdrawal, which is no longer inconceivable. Six out of 10 Americans say the dream of democratizing Iraq has become a nightmare.

Rumsfeld has nothing to sneer about.

 Letters to the Editor

Boston (Massachusetts) Herald

When the Boston Herald and Ted Kennedy agree something is wrong, either that something is WAAAAAAY wrong, or the Apocalypse is at hand.  The entire flag-burning farce is nothing but gratuitous political posturing by people who really do not understand what the flag embodies.

Posturing on the flag

Pointless posturing comes naturally to politicians, no matter the posturers' party label - but the practice sure can result in some pretty strange bedfellows.  ...

     The Herald finds itself on the same side as Sen. Edward Kennedy, a rarity to say the least.

      We believe burning the American flag is a disgusting act. But it is not the flag which is in need of protection, it's the Constitution.

Letters to the Editor

Charleston (West Virginia) Daily Mail

This is exactly the type of mindless conflation that leads so many Americans to willingly watch other people's children go to their death in Iraq.  Simply stated, Sadam Hussein was NOT a sponsor of Islamist or al Qaeda terror, and to say so is not only a lie, it reeks of 'all them A-Rabs look alike' bigotry.

Iraq is tough, and worth it

Almost four years ago, Islamic terrorists brought their war for global domination to the United States, attacking a civilian target in New York and a military target in Washington. ...

President George W. Bush responded by taking the war to the sponsors of terrorism and attacking the conditions in which terrorism flourishes.

It was a bold strategy, which is the appropriate response to a bold attack. The attacks of Sept 11, 2001 were part of a war declared a long time ago. ...

Americans will either stay with it -- standing with responsible moderates all over the world in offering people a better alternative than Islamic fundamentalism -- or condemn their children and grandchildren to dealing with worse threats in the future. ...

This war must be won. Simply staying home when the going gets tough would not solve the world's problem. It would only make it more more expensive to face up to later on.

 Letters to the Editor

Commercial Appeal (Memphis, Tennessee)

Bingo!  The whole point of the First Amendment is to protect UNpopular speech.  Speech everybody agrees on needs no protection.

Protect free speech

The U.S. House of representatives, as it is periodically wont to do, last week approved a proposed constitutional amendment that would allow Congress to outlaw flag-burning as a form of political protest. ...

Flag-burning in the public square is offensive and most often used in support of unpopular causes. But popular speech doesn't need protection; the unpopular views of the minority do, and for that we have the First Amendment.

The Senate will take up the proposed flag-burning amendment, probably later this summer, and the early vote counts suggest it will fall two votes short of the 67 needed for passage.

Since 1789, the Constitution has been amended only 27 times. It would be a desecration of that hallowed document if the 28th Amendment weakened the First.

Letters to the Editor

Gainesville (Florida) Sun

Basically, our efforts in Afghanistan have led to a TREMENDOUS increase in the quantity and quality of heroin reaching our shores.  More than 90% of all heroin in the world now comes from Afghanistan.  Isn't the obvious question how much stronger could the new Afghan government have been, and how much more control could it have had over the heroin trade, if we finished their before hieing off to Iraq?

The 'fruits' of victory

It is a bitter irony that, in pursuing the war against terrorism, the Bush administration has unwittingly made it possible for narco-terrorists to flood American communities with increasingly cheaper, and increasingly purer, heroin.

Indeed, recent news reports indicate that the heroin that is reaching America from Afghanistan is so pure that it can be snorted rather than injected. ...

"As recently as last year, only 8 percent of heroin from Afghanistan reached the United States," Kirk told the Tribune. "Last year's crop was the largest in human history, all of it coming out of one country and flooding this country."

Thus is America "rewarded" for delivering Afghanistan from the clutches of the Taliban. ...

While U.S. forces in Afghanistan may understandably be more preoccupied with the prospect of a renewed Taliban insurgency than the resurgence of the international heroin trade, it is simply an unacceptable tradeoff that one of the "fruits" of victory in Afghanistan must be a flood of cheap, pure, addictive heroin into America's streets and neighborhoods.

Neither may the war on drugs be considered separately from that on terrorism itself, because the profits of the heroin trade are just as likely to support terrorist organizations as drug barons.

Cutting the new heroin pipeline from Afghanistan to the United States cannot take a back seat to mopping up the remnants of the Taliban. The objectives must be considered one and the same.

 Letters to the Editor

Gainesville (Florida) Sun

Summary- Just stop lying, okay?

How much longer?

Vice President Dick Cheney says the insurgency in Iraq is in "it's last throes."

While not quite as audacious as President Bush's grotesquely premature "mission accomplished" speech two years ago, Cheney's observation is clearly intended to give war-weary Americans hope that there is indeed a light at the end of the Iraqi tunnel.

The problem is that American troops are being wounded, maimed and killed nearly every day in Iraq, with casualties passing the 1,700 mark and likely to reach 2,000 before year's end. ...

The Bush administration is learning one of history's most indelible lessons; that while the mightiest army in the world may be able to quickly and easily conquer an inferior enemy, a prolonged and debilitating occupation must inevitably eat away at the conqueror's will and ability to persevere.

This newspaper opposed the war from its very inception, and nothing that has happened since has served to demonstrate to us the wisdom of President Bush's determination to invade and occupy a hostile country in a hostile region half a world away.

Is it time to "cut and run?" Perhaps not. But it is certainly time for the Bush administration to stop misleading Americans with overly optimistic assessments of the "progress" being made in Iraq.

It is time for the president to be honest with the American people about the true costs and consequences of his Iraqi adventure.

And, yes, Americans deserve to know how much longer they can expect to see their sons and daughters putting their lives at risk on the arid deserts and in the dangerous urban streets of this "conquered" country. ...

Like President Bush's reasons for going to war in the first place, Cheney's depiction of a floundering insurgency are simply not to be believed.

Neither do we believe that Americans are prepared to see our troops remain bogged down in a bloody, hopeless occupation for another year, two years or five years.

It's time for an exit strategy before this brutal, bloody occupation tears apart this nation like nothing since Vietnam.

Letters to the Editor

Fort Collins (Colorado) Coloradan

Here is an interesting point of view on the whole flag debate.  The very use of the word "desecrate" really does seem to indicate a religious sort of nationalism, one that might be overridden not only by the free speech part of the First Amendment, but also the free exercise and establishment clauses.

Flag not for worship

I read with dismay that both of our U.S. senators' plan to support the proposed constitutional amendment banning physical desecration of the U.S. flag.

My dictionary says that to desecrate is to "make unholy" or "take away the sacredness of." Therefore, this amendment is an attempt to make the flag a holy or sacred object. I strongly object to this attempt to make people worship the flag. Although I respect the ideals the flag represents, I will not worship it. That amounts to idolatry.

It is truly sad that our Congress is engaging in this exercise in flag-waving, which amounts to a fundamental assault on our freedom of religion, while there are so many real issues facing this country.

Andrew J. Vancil,
Fort Collins

Letters to the Editor

Sun Sentinel (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)

I posted this entire thing, rather than just a link, because I am curious what people think.  Will negative opinion in Latin America translate into negative opinion amongst Latin American (non-Cuban) voters?

Popular tide against Bush

All of the positive spin by Bush administration officials and Latin and Caribbean leaders that came out of the OAS meeting in Fort Lauderdale last month failed to conceal the growing estrangement between the United States and its southern neighbors. ...

There is no elegant or gentle way to say it: The vast majority of the population of Latin America detests George W. Bush. Polls repeatedly have shown astronomical levels of rejection for the administration and its policies, with negative numbers that are exceeded only in the Muslim countries.

It is a fallacy to attribute this to a reflexive anti-Americanism. Latin American attitudes regarding American presidents have ranged from affection (Kennedy) to open dislike (Nixon), and opinions have varied depending on country, ideology and social class. Yet no American president in living memory has evoked such intense and broad public antagonism as the current one.  ...

The OAS is a good example of this new reality. Latin American rejection of the administration's latest proposal, a Declaration of Florida presented at the June OAS meeting, came as no surprise. It might seem paradoxical that Latin America in the post-dictatorship era would reject a plan sold as a democracy-promotion measure. But Latin Americans interpreted the U.S. proposal as an attempt to use the OAS as a tool for U.S. meddling in Venezuela and other countries of the region. The setback is only one of a recent series of defeats for the United States at the OAS. ...

Hawks in the United States like to play up the role of Washington's avowed adversaries, Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chávez, in the region's turn to the left. In fact, how the Bush administration has behaved toward its friends is more important in how Latin Americans see this country than anything that Castro or Chávez do or say.

For years, Argentina faithfully followed the United States to the point that an Argentinean official once remarked relations between the two countries were so close they were "carnal." But, when Argentina faced an economic meltdown and needed help, Washington left it to fend for itself and unravel.

More recently, Mexico's Vicente Fox tried hard to be Bush's one true-blue amigo among the big players in the region. The Mexican president even embarrassed himself in the eyes of his people when he was caught on tape trying to plead with, manipulate and flatter Fidel Castro into leaving early from an international meeting in Mexico just to avoid annoying George W. Bush. What Vicente Fox wanted from Washington in return was just one thing: a more liberal immigration policy. What he got, the Real ID law targeting immigrants and more massive deportations, was worse than nothing. While Bush has made some righteous noises about immigration, the president has been unwilling to spend any political capital on the issue. Meanwhile, in Mexico, Fox's popularity has sunk, in part as the result of his failure to deliver on immigration.

These lessons are not lost on Latin Americans. The time is past when the region moved in lockstep with the United States and the OAS was a U.S. rubber stamp. In Fort Lauderdale last month, the Latin Americans made all the right noises about democracy and good relations, but they declared their independence by refusing to do the bidding of the United States. For the truth is that today, politically and ideologically, George W. Bush's America and the nations south of the border are very far apart.

Max Castro, Ph.D, is the co-author of This Land

Is Our Land: Immigrants and Power in Miami. Letters to the Editor



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Have some decency (3.00 / 1)

Please don't channel the Rude Pundit again.

We're making the case that blogs should be exempt from regulation because we are serious new sources and I read this at the top of the front page.

Lame. Be original.

>I'm guessing Robert Byrd would have to shoot
>Rumsfeld and f*ck his flopping corpse on C-Span
>to merit mention from corporate media (sorry, I
>was channeling the Rude Pundit for a second).

by rinzinNYC on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 09:34:48 AM EST

Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

I understand your concern, but the question at some point becomes serious- exactly how outrageous must a Republican's actions be before it becomes newsworthy?  When the senior United States Senator tells the Secretary of Defense that he's had enough of his "smart answers," and the exchange is not worth 5 seconds on the evening news, the question is valid.  

Out of "decency" concerns, I will happily edit the single word, and change it to "have sex with," but the question remains the same- 'just how far can Republicans go before it is news?'

by dhonig on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 09:41:31 AM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

They can still go almost to edge, but hopefully slowly the tide is turning. I've been noticing slightly, if not tough questions, at least more thoughtful questions.
by bruh21 on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 10:00:27 AM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

Rizin wasnot suggesting that questioning the media's reflexive tendency to roll over and play dead whenever the Republican's or this administration does something outrageous is out of line. He/She was suggesting that you could have used better language to phrase that question. Language that wouldn't get you and your very valid concerns be dismissed as cranky liberal ranting and whining.

The language you used to respond to Rizin was made your point much more effectively.

by brookeb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 10:46:42 AM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

No need to defend- the change was willingly and immediately made (primarily because it was on the front page, and not the extended entry).
by dhonig on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 11:33:34 AM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

Gee, way to support that free speech thing we domcrats claim to hold so dear!  BLOGS are outside of FCC control.  Just because something has foul language does not make it less newsworthy.  
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:09:41 PM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

democrats... damn crappy typing.
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:10:04 PM EST
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Re: Have some decency (none / 0)

By all means swear away, just don't expect people to take what is an important issue and an extremely valid point seriously.
by brookeb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 09:22:46 PM EST
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I've been asking the same question (none / 0)

I've been asking that question for the last six months. When Dennis Hastert accused George Soros of being a drug kingpin, Tell it to Hannity:

Oh yeah, the time for perspective stopped when Dennis "big fat liar" Hastert accused George Soros, on Faux News, of getting his income from running a drug cartel. Now that's slander. If you want to complain about slander send an email to Hastert.

And this comment on Feb. 2nd in a diary about Why Do Black liberals hate America?

Democrats have to start fighting back:

Democrats have to start fighting back. I remember when I completely turned O'Reilly and Faux News off a few months ago, he was on a tirade against Jesse Jackson. I couldn't figure out why he was spending so much time trying to demonize one black liberal. It's part of a campaign that has years of planning behind it.
O'Reilly was also demonizing George Soros. A month later Dennis Hastert goes on Faux News and claims Soros gets his money from running a drug cartel. ???  Media Matters picked it up, but the rest of the RWCM allowed the speaker of the House to commit slander on national television without missing a beat.

They have developed the politics of hate to a fine art. Weren't you amazed at how uniform and broad the right wing attack on Michael Moore was? This is a coordinated attack by the right wing noise machine that goes back at least a decade. Why do Americans trust the GOP more then Dems on national security? Because of all the GOPer foreign policy success? No,because Dems hate the military. Remember the big talk radio stink over U.N blue helmets? Each piece seems ridiculous, but added together it is effective.

Dr. Dobson and Jerry Falwell are treated with respect and deference on cable in spite of all the hateful, malicious accusations they make. Documented liar and plagarist Ann Coulter gets a fluffy piece in Newsweek. Has the body of lies by Ann Coulter ever been criticized anywhere in the media? Has any statement by any Republican or conservative ever gotten the attention that Howard Dean's did?

Have any of the outrageous statements by a Republican or a conservative ever been analyzed by the Faux Allstars or by Tweety on Whiffleball? They can call Democrats traitors, accuse them of waging war on Christians, hating the flag and getting GIs killed. Nothing a Republican or conservative says is every complained about.

IOKIYAR.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 12:59:26 PM EST
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Shove decency up your ass pal (none / 0)

Do you even have a clue what we are up against? How many more decades do you want the Democratic party to keep playing nicey, nicey and getting their butt kicked?

dhonig's link was not a use of gratuitous profanity. An occasional reference to rude, profane language is not worth one sentence of comment and look what you just did. Now this whole damn diary is getting consumed with wasted bandwidth about common everyday profanity.

You are an ignorant jackass who has his or her head impacted up Dick Cheny's rectal cavity. The next time you complain about common everyday profanity I'm going to go Rude Pundit all over your smelly little pansy ass carcass. Grow up and get a life.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 12:39:01 PM EST
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Re: Shove decency up your ass pal (3.00 / 1)

Well that may have been a little extreme, but the spirit was right.  How can we fight the flag burning amendment if we can't support free speech and expression on this blog even.  Granted, he made the change willingly... I, for one, would not have...just out of principle.  
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:14:01 PM EST
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Re: Shove decency up your ass pal (none / 0)

I only did so because (a) it was on the front page, and (b) I am a guest on the front page.  Had it been in the body, I would have kept it as it was.
by dhonig on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:34:53 PM EST
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Re: Shove decency up your ass pal (none / 0)

dhonig-

wise alternate choice of words. I'm still stuck with necrophelia imagery but thankfully a less profane one.

Let me not distract from the strong points of your post however, all great points.

You're correct my only real gripe was top of home page at the time and not below fold...

I want to invite people to the cause and not scare them away. I'd like Mydd to be informative and effective. It's all I was saying.

I've had a saucy foul mouth plenty the past 5 years. I'm for self-policing not decency-policing.

It's import and I agree with the couple posts up about framing etc.

Peace.

by rinzinNYC on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 08:44:07 PM EST
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Amen! (none / 0)

You get three stars from me on principal. Decency is in the eye of the beholder and at this point, I'd trust the decency out of George Carlin's mouth over any Democrat in Washington right now. Kudos to Sen. Byrd for being in rare form with Rumsfeld and kudos to what was originally written earlier in this post. He wasn't channeling Rude Pundit at all -- he channeled his conscience and if the Democrats in DC would do more of the same, we'd probably only need 20 seats instead of 50.

I remember reading a while back that, when Harry S. Truman was president, he had a habit saying "bullpuckey" and some members of the press had pleaded with his wife to get him to use a different word. The First Lady's response? "Why, it took me 25 years to get him to say 'BULLPUCKEY!'"

by Sizemore on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 02:40:09 AM EST
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Re: Shove decency up your ass pal (none / 0)


Our "decency" is not the issue. Our effectiveness is.

  "Fighting back" is not the goal. Winning is the goal.  And we will only win if we fight forward.

"Fighting forward" means that we always show what we are for as well as what we are against.  It also means that we never respond to conservative areguments, we always reframe them.

This is not because we're "afraid of sinking to their level", but because it is an effective strategy.

First, we have to look  at the form our our communication. When we answer Republican  propaganda, slander and insult with the same, we legitimize the use of these tactics.  That's a mistake, because it reinforces the idea that both sides are lying through their teeth and fighting for no more than political gain.  If voters believe that, then they have no reasen to trade in the perceived devil they know for one they don't.

Everything we do should be designed to get us more allies than opponents. We must be forceful, factual and decent, and we must publically focus our anger on what the Republicans are doing to America rather than what they say about us. If we provide a contrast of style that is just as important as our contrast in values.

When confronted by lies, or insult, we should instanly remind our oppponents that the American people expect better and then immediately switch  to the facts and issues.

     Example:
       Conpropagandist: "Of course, any proposal      
          from Soros is a joke, considering his
          gains from the drug trade."

       Progressive: "Don't insult the audience
          with  another lie; they know distraction  
          when they see one.  Now, this prosal is
          the right thing to do because.."

By responding to this, we don't fall into the trap of debating a lie about Soros, but point out that  the real attack is on the American people.

Second, we need to look at the content of our communication.  We must reframe to the real issue and, to paraphrase Carville, provide a narrative, not a litany.

They argue for the "War on Terror".  We know that the facts don't back up what they assert and that the war is increasing terror.  But, the frame of a "war" against somthing horrible works very well, and frames often trump facts.  

Reframe! Our goal isn't to fight a war, it's to achieve victory!  "Victory over Terror" is better than "War on Terror".  A victory means the threat is over; a takes away the need for an endless war and the associated loss of life, resources and liberties.  A focus on "Victory" make us look at all the tools at our disposal, including economic and diplomatic; after all, we achieved victory in the Cold War without every engaging the Soviets on the battlefield.

We are up against a huge machine here, but taking it down will require us to always remember that we need to be convincing as well as right.

by Mudshark on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 03:24:27 PM EST
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About time! (none / 0)

I wish Byrd and many others had had enough of Rummy's sneering and smart answers 3 years ago.
by GaryHobson on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 10:11:31 AM EST

The Next BIG Issue (none / 0)

Here is an interesting point of view on the whole flag debate.  The very use of the word "desecrate" really does seem to indicate a religious sort of nationalism, one that might be overridden not only by the free speech part of the First Amendment, but also the free exercise and establishment clauses.

When I read that paragraph I realized they were doing it again and wrote a diary. I don't think the Senate Democrats have a clue they are being Swiftboated again.

If this thing passes, flag burning and why Democrats hate American and hate the flag will be the next big issue for the next ten years. Frank Luntz and the RWNM are already geared up and raring to go.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 12:32:31 PM EST

Re: The Next BIG Issue (none / 0)

Nicely done.  I recommended.  Here's the link- http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/6/30/94853/0668
by dhonig on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 12:38:02 PM EST
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cheney's new plan (none / 0)

i heard that bush wants to bring american sport to the middle east as a way of bringing our cultures together.
http://nbxsportshow.com/broadcast/16434.swf
are bush and cheney really this stupid??
by bombbush on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 01:00:02 PM EST

Re: cheney's new plan (none / 0)

Duh!!!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:15:25 PM EST
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Huh. (none / 0)

"The furious defense secretary willed himself not to explode. He had offered his resignation to President Bush, who refused to accept it, Rumsfeld said levelly."

I didn't realize Rumsfeld was being employed against his will.

Free the Rumsfeld One!

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 03:40:20 PM EST


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