Liveblogging at the FEC

I was on C-SPAN's Washington Wire (DemBloggers has the CSPAN video) this morning with Patrick Hynes from Ankle Biting Pundits-- the rare occasion where bloggers from the across the spectrum agree. Against FEC regulation of the internet. I'm now inside the commission hearing of comments, and will post here as it proceeds. A number of bloggers will offer up comments shortly, more soon...

Update: I've been reading the brief put together by Adam (or acbonin). If you haven't read it, here's the link to the document. The signees, along with the signees of the Online Coalition are going to be commenting to the FEC over the next couple of days.

Three on the panel seem to be open to some sort of regulation, while three on the commission, in their opening statements, made their opposition to any sort of regulation pretty clear. With this standstill, and thus not being able to appeal the matter, the FEC is left with having to discuss the matter and possible regulations. What's unclear though, is whether either side will budge. In their opening statements, the three who are inclined toward regulation did not speak out strongly in favor. In particular, Weintraub mentioned how revolutionary the medium was for political activism, and from her opening statement at least, gave no indication of pending regulation. I'm left wondering whether, when this gets into the nitty gritty, how in the hell they will "keep it simple."

Update: Markos is now speaking, "It is my position that the government should never regulate any form of communication over the internet." That's sounds good to me. Whatever the "minimum necessary" to comply with the court order remains to be clarified. Even if the FEC were to come up with some sort of regulation that seems that way, it's just a matter of years or months before the medium evolves past the definitions that are formed to impose regulation.

Update: The discussion of not regulating "individuals" seems to be the fallback by Thomas (one of those inclined to regulate), as he wants to address the issue of outside groups, like the Swift Boat group, from spending amounts on the internet. One problem is that how do you define such a group? If its a line drawn that includes corporations, then blogs such as MyDD, DailyKos, TPMCafe will be included, as these blogs are incorporated. The "media exemption" route makes more sense for bloggers if this route is taken.

Update: Smith asks Markos how DailyKos should get the media exemption when posters like Armando are blogging such "irresponsible" statements that the Republicans are behind the FEC attempt to regulate the blogs. Markos responds that the same could be said for Novak, and other Republican media hacks, and that regardless, Armando was right about Alberto Gonzales (haha). The committee keeps going around and round this definition of "media" that gets the exemption. What is the 'facility' that might be used for the press/media exemption? There's certainly no station or hardware, other then... the "internet" iteself.



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don't overlook this chance (none / 0)

find an issue you can get the right leaning bloggers to work with in a bipartisan moment

the blog issue is of course important, but take this chance to develop another issue ,if possible

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 09:58:41 AM EST

Re: don't overlook this chance (none / 0)


Good observation. I'm not sure what the issue would be; although I think the populist uprise against DC establishment power probalby means there's a lot of room for agreement. I think part of the problem for Republican bloggers is that being the trifecta, they have no real ability to cast blame outward (although here, it's the Dems on the FEC that are disposed toward regulation), so they are sort of frozen.
by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:07:55 AM EST
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Why not set up government-sponsored blogs to give (none / 0)

out unbiased electoral information from the candidates..

REALLY good blogs..

And send out mailings of their contents to all registered voters..

and THEN BAN political advertising of all kinds from TV and radio stations and newspapers..

by ultraworld on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:09:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Appearance on C-Span this morning (none / 0)

6/28/05

The beauty of C-Span is that viewers like me gain new information. This is my first time on your blog and I also entered the ankle biting pundits blog as well. Knowledge is a wonderful thing. Thank you.
Milko G.

by MilkoG on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:14:55 AM EST

Jerome (none / 0)

get a statement on record about leniency on swiftboats if Corsi signs form 180(1080?)
Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:18:13 AM EST

Video Of Jerome On C-SPAN (none / 0)

Jerome, I just posted the video of your appearance on C-SPAN this morning.

C-SPAN Video Link

by Mark Williams on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:20:38 AM EST

The federalists papers (none / 0)

and the anti-federalists agreed upon the endorsements of the Consitution that any power not listed or forbidden was implied to the States and/or to the persons.

Individual First Amendment rights take precedence. The founders obviously favored free political speech yet had to use synonyms under the spectre of Colonial rule.

Clearly they spoke their conscious  through pseudonyms, and the biggest bloggers are themselves known entities.
The federalists and antifederalists agreed on the valueof free speech.

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:24:19 AM EST

"Centinel I" (Samuel Bryan) (none / 0)

Oct.5th, 1787, the Independent Gazetteer(Philadelphia)

   "The framers of it; actuated by the true spirit of such a government,which ever abominates and suppresses all free enquiry and discussion, have made no provision for the liberty of the press, the grand palladium of freedom, and scourge of tyrants; but observed a total silence on that head. It is the opnion of some great writers, that if liberty of the press, by an insitution of religion, or otherwise, could be rendered sacred...that despotism would fly before it."

   Clearly without the promise and guarantee of free speech there could be no just founding of government's authority. Indeed such was inherent in any form of free rule as a necessary deterrent to 'despotism'.

    "WHO'S HERE SO BASE,THAT WOULD A BONDMAN BE?
     "IF ANY, SPEAK, FOR HIM I HAVE OFFENDED.
     "WHO'S HERE SO VILE, THAT WILL NOT LOVE HIS COUNTRY?
     "IF ANY, SPEAK; FOR HIM I HAVE OFFENDED."

     Even questions which beg not answer are given chance to reply, that the founders supported free speech in its purist form. The online discussion is a valid extension of this belief.

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:39:42 AM EST

James Wilson's Speech at a public meeting (none / 0)

PHILADELPHIA Oct. 6TH,1787

    "I confess that I am unprepared for so extensive and so important a disquisintion; but the insiduous attempts which are clandestinely and industriously made to pervert and destroy the new plan, induce me the more readily to engage in its defence; and the impressions of...constant attention to the subject, have not been so easily effaced as to leave me without an answer to the objections which have been raised."

    (discussing the Consitutional model):
"When the people established the powers of legislation under their seperate governments, they invested their representatives with every right and authority which they did not in explicit terms reserve; and therefore upon every question, respecting the jurisdiction of the house of assembly, if the frame of government is silent, the jurisdication is effecient and complete."

     Clearly the above statement taken in light of the First Amendment provides  unlimited right to expression, this applied to every medium known in its era.

    "Hence it is evident, that in the former case everything which is not reserved is given, but in the latter the reverse of the proportion prevails, and every thing which is not given, is reserved. This distinction being recognized,will furnish an answer to those think the omission of a bill of rights, a defect in the proposed consitution: forit would have been superfluous and absurd to have stipulated with a federal body of our creation, that we should enjoy those priviliges, of which we are not divested either by the intention or the act, that has brought that body into existence. For intance, the liberty of the press, which has been a copious source of declamation and opposition, what control can proceed from the federal government to shackle or destroy that sacred palladium of national freedom?"

     This  makes the case for free speech most clear. He conitnues said paragraph with a media application of said free speech:

     "If indeed, a power similar to that which has been granted for the regulation of commerce, had been granted to regulate literary publications, it would have been as necessary to stipulate that the liberty of the press should be preserved inviolate, and that the impost should be general in its operation."

     So clearly the media format, then encompassed in two fields, should be unabridged by any federal entity as per founder's wishes and general overall consent: "...there is no reason to suspect that so popular a privilige will in that case be neglected.In truth then, the propsed system possesses no influence whatever upon the press, and it would have been merely nugatory to have introduced a formal declaration upon the subject-nay, that very declaration might have been construed to imply that some degree of power was given, since we undertook to define its extent."

     What Congress can not do regarding the field of free speech is what is clearly stated. All other powers remain implied top the State of individual rights, these beings having rights above states proportionally as states did above the whole of government in that time.

    The State of free individuals takes precedent over State entities of any kind, in whole or part.
   

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 11:13:00 AM EST

Faux News (3.00 / 1)

I think we should beat them back with their own stick, by pointing out that "Fox News" is also "public communication", and hence that they should regulate them, in addition to, perhaps Limbaugh, and many many Right Wing outlets.

Please visit my diary on this topic and help me shore up this campaign:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/6/28/84917/5457

CLICK to Draft Al Gore!
by NeoLiberal on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 11:26:08 AM EST

WE NEED TO REGULATE LOBBYISTS AND THE PAID MEDIA (none / 0)

Did you know that 97% of all US elections are won by the candidate that SPENDS THE MOST..

We need to DEAL WITH THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE NIGHTMARE..

Money does not equal 'free speech'

Corporations are out of control.. when do we get our country back?

by ultraworld on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:02:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever happened to the Fairness Doctrine? (none / 0)

Radio and TV stations used to be held to some kind of standard for community participation..

Why aren't they? Spectrum is not infinite.. Where did our community commons go?

by ultraworld on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:04:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Internet should not be regulated at all.. (none / 0)

Because its a 'pull' medium.. People choose what to pull..

If people are dumb enough to go to (insert faux news web site here) thats their problem..

But TV and radio are different.. and we don't have any public forums that aren't controlled by conglomerates anymore.. Thats poisoning elections and the ability of the public to be informed enough to participate properly in democracy..

Its a real problem when the TV stations lie..

And they do all the time.. esp. Fox News..

by ultraworld on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:07:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wilson's speech(cont.) (none / 0)

   "After all, my fellow citizens, it is neither etraordinary nor unexpected, that the consitution offered to you consideration, should meet with opposition. It is the nature of man to pursue his own interest, in preference to the public good; and I do not mean to make any personal reflection, when I add, that it is the interest of a very numerous, powerful, and respectable body to counteract and destroy the excellent work produced by the late convention. All the offices...which are transferred from the indivudual to the aggregate sovereignty of the states, will necessarily turn the stream of influence and emolument into a new channel. Every person who therefore, who either enjoys or expects to enjoy, a place of profit under the present establishment, will object to the proposed innovation; not, in truth, because it is injurious to the liberties of his sequence. I will confess indeed, that I am not a blind admirer of this plan of government, and that there are some parts of it, which if my wish had prevailed, would certainly have been altered. But, when I reflect how widely men differ in their opinions, and that every man(and the observation applies likewise to every state) has equal pretension to assert his own, I am satisifed that anything nearer to perfection could not have been accomplished. If there errors, it should be remembered that the seeds of reformation are sown in the work itself."

    The founding feeling was one of bipartisan liberty and from this exchange of ideas and value a working cohesive framework would uphold  just movement of matters wighed in discourse and reflecting considerate balance thereof.

     "Regarding it then, in every point of view, with a candid and disinterested mind, I am bold to assert that it is the best form of government which has ever been offered in the world."

     Clearly the right of free speech and free presentation of all such ideas in shared formats(media) was the cornerstone of consensus Consitutional government.

     The letter copied in summary says:
    "Mr.Wilson's speech was frequently interrupted with loud and unanimous testimonies of approbation, and the applause which was reiterated at the conclusion, envinced the genral sense of excellence, and the conviction which it had impressed upon every mind."

     Those words and their concrete application within our Constitution stand timeless and should remain untainted, free. In no way can Congress dilute the elixir of core Constitutional values which free speech does indeed represent in word and deed.

     The federal government is the body of this plan, the state government its mind, and the individual rights of its citizens is its Spirit.

     To limit citizens' speech via legal constraint is to bind the spirit which is the heart of American freedom. Clearly the ability to speak one's mind on available media is the cornerstone upon which we build this Democracy.

     

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 11:44:53 AM EST

Hate to step up for Fox (none / 0)

...but you have a right to be stupid, don't make Hannity into a martyr.

He wears his heart on a his sleeve enough as is, enough so to cover his fascist fan club armband...

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 11:47:09 AM EST

Wilson key quote repeated (none / 0)

"But, when I reflect how widely men differ in their opinions, and that every man(and the observation applies likewise to every state) has equal pretension to assert his own, I am satisifed that anything nearer to perfection could not have been accomplished."

Blogs allow 'each person to assert their own'.

   The model of Consitutional law was broad granted rights, initially granted to a more narrow set of recipients(landowning males).

    This model for change has been the same since in terms of scope- less restrictive, and  wider application.
     This with later amendments granting more people the same freedoms (amend.15 and 19 for example/precedent).

     

Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 12:02:49 PM EST

I missed C-Span (none / 0)

But here is what I wrote about the issue last month: http://politizine.blogspot.com/2005/05/deep-throat-revealed-well-now-we-find.html
http://politizine.blogspot.com: A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music and modern times.
by politizine on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 11:24:16 PM EST


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