Republicans Growing Increasingly Defensive and Dangerous

In the progressive blogosphere, we have watched Bush's approval ratings drop with a certain sense of satisfaction. As Jerome noted on Friday, it would appear that nearly the entire drop in Bush's approval rating comes from self-identifying Democrats and Independents. It would appear that Republicans, no matter what happens, really like the job that Bush is doing. This is something I would like to consistently remind our independent friends of: Republicans actually like the way things are going right now. The current state of the country is the Republican dream.

As self-identifying Republicans and the rest of the country part ways, several highly disturbing ideas seem to be growing in Republican-land, especially concerning the press. As documented by Pew, these ideas include, but are probably not limited to, the press is too critical of America; the press weakens our national defenses, the press hurts democracy, and the press should engage in pro-American propaganda.

Two of those positions, that the press is too critical of America and that the press weakens our national defenses, have already achieved supermajority status among self-identifying Republicans, as the images I have included here show. The other two positions, that the press hurts Democracy and that it should present the news from a propagandistic, pro-American viewpoint, are more widely held among self-identifying Republicans than any other group, are gaining more new self-identifying Republican converts all the time, and are near majority status among self-identifying Republicans.

What happens when you have a ruling minority whose beliefs are quickly separating from the rest of the nation? What happens when this ruling minority has its own, massive, alternative press? What happens when that ruling minority believes the mainstream press is weakening our national defenses, and is too critical of America? What happens when that minority comes to believe that the press is also dangerous to Democracy and should engage in pro-American propaganda? Republicans are growing increasingly defensive in their support of this administration, and the ideas they are coming to accept are growing more and more dangerous to our democracy. At some point, the F-word might become more than just an academic question or a hypothetical. That time may not be far in the future.



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Why don't I think of this stuff? (3.00 / 1)

Chris, you comment "Republicans actually like the way things are going right now. The current state of the country is the Republican dream" is dead on.

My wing-nut neighbor was PROUD of what we are doing in Iraq. He thinks Bush is doing a great job running the country. He thinks the only problem is Democrats obstructing the President's ability to run our country. I reminded him that his party controlled the executive and legislative branches, and a good deal of the judiciary along with much of the MSM. He didn't get it. It was all the Democrats fault.

The point that Republicans think the way our country is going is great should be pointed out. I'd like to see that they are held accountable for their stewardship of our country. Americans have to remember who is in control of our government. It ain't the Democrats. We can't really pass or obstruct squat.

Bush and his ownership society own their mess. We have to reinforce that.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:12:03 PM EST

As one of those independents (none / 0)

It is good to see that my independent brothers see right through all the crap this administration is up to. Independents basically decide who the next president is going to be, and as of now, so many of them are pissed off at Bush, I think 2006 could be a turning point Democrats have been looking for. But don't overlook the fact that the American people can be so easily snowed either.
by liebermanlives on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:17:11 PM EST

Re: As one of those independents (none / 0)

Chris normally skews his results to reinforce
his meme that christian grassroots
are bad for the country -

The last study I read was that most Americans
trust the police force, now, more than government.
Ranking second was church. Congress was
way down there.

The Pew trust funds reports like this to give
us a good metric of the news-entertainment
society. The GOP has elements in it that
are somewhat libertarian and definitely
not happy - but they're mostly miffed
at the fact that there's a news-entertainment
society and this whole thing Chris is selling
about how bad it is, to recognize that
the news-entertainers are out there
being fairly untrustworthy - as if its
a bad thing - is laughable. The study
surgically excluded blogs and direct
news feeds from media. It also probably
excluded from its methodology cellphone
users, so we're talking about the 16% of
the younger GOP that is actually more miffed
at the current state of affairs than the older
one.  Thats really all the swing margin
here in these numbers you need.

If the news-entertainers would stop headlining
"Big WIN for Major Cable companies" and start
headlining "BIG LOSS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS"
or "HUGE MASSACRE OF AMERICAN PRINCIPLES IN FCC RULING AGAINST BIG MEDIA"

Then I'd trust them. I know of not one single,
knowledgeable democrat in the entire Atlanta
region that isn't miffed at the news-entertainers
for their continual mockery of investigative
journalism.

Here's a quick poll:

Did the Press coverage of the Downing Street Memo
Help Democracy, or Hurt it?

Correct Answer: What effing coverage are you talking about?

"Any dictator would be proud of the complicity
 and cooperation of the American News Media."
- Noam Chomsky

Don't tell me things are dangerous.
Partisan BS has always been
distractive and expensive. Only
those who can set aside differences,
like the moderates in the Senate
that struck the filibuster compromise,
are getting anything done at all.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 02:21:52 PM EST
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Re: As one of those independents (none / 0)

Only those who can set aside differences,
like the moderates in the Senate that struck the filibuster compromise, are getting anything done at all.

What are the good things that are getting done by moderates? Bankruptcy? Drilling in ANWR? I'm at a loss what an independent would want to get done that is not getting done because the liberals ??
in the Democratic party are obstructing them?

Are you upset that Social Security is not being privatized or that the estate tax has not been completely repealed? How about Bush's energy bill with at least $8 billion in subsidies for energy companies?

My complaint is that Dems are letting Bush and the GOPers get too much done. I'd like to see them shut down Congress and not give GOPers squat. Tell the American people straight out that they oppose everything Bush and the GOPers are trying to do and the GOPers refuse to compromise.

Exactly what are your complaints about the Democratic party as an Independent?

by Gary Boatwright on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 04:03:11 PM EST
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No (none / 0)

His meme is that white, evangelical Christians mostly vote for Republicans, white non-Christians and minorities (Christian or not) mostly vote for Democrats, and white, non-evangelical Christians are swing voters.  To this, I say duh, because this is blatantly obvious.  Our main goal then is to get as many white, non-evangelical Christians to vote for us as possible, while keeping turn out high in the other groups on our side.  White, evangelical Christians are pretty much a lost cause, though.
by Geotpf on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 12:37:39 PM EST
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The Coming American Fascism (3.00 / 1)

You can hear it on the airwaves.  The hate speech, the scapegoating of minorities such as Arabs and gays.  Any unpopular group.  One cannot listen to Michael Savage and not come away feeling greatly unnerved.  

When the government employs doctors to advise them how to "break" prisoners through psychological and physical "stress" (read torture); when it invades smaller nations in "pre-emptive" war, when it steals elections from the real winners-we are living with a Fascist state, a Fascist president and government.

I don't like to see this, but this is what has happened in our country.  We have a Fascist operating government running the country-the military, the press, religious institutions, on Fascist principles.  The only difference is that there is still freedom to get on the Internet, to write letters to the editor, (if the corporate editors do not censor them), to listen to Air America if you are in one of the few areas of the country where they are on the air, to get some progressive opinion on public radio and tv.  But that is going to be taken away soon.

Anytime now, could be tomorrow, could be next week, or 2 months or a year from now, one only nows, but it is coming, the Fascist Bush White House will fake another national emergency and take us into another war against "terror."  Those who oppose it will be branded as traitors to the brave soldiers fighting and risking their lives for our "freedom".  This time, a super-Patriot Act III will be rammed through Congress.  The spineless congressional Democrats, just like the spineless members of the Reichstag in early 1930's of the Weimer Republic who allowed Hitler to assume full control, will stand by meekly while the Internet is censored, the free press banned as "treasonour" and anti-Bush and anti-war demonstrations will be prohibited as threats to national security in this national emergency.

The only difference is that now we are able to criticize-although our dissent does not matter a rat's ass to the Bush Administration or to the spineless Democrats on Capitol Hill.

When the new terrorism national emergency happens, our freedom will be taken away from us completely.  They will come after the progressives, the liberal Christians, the Arabs, the gays, the feminists, the ACLU, the New York Times, the Kennedys, Barbara Boxer, Dennis Kucinich, the labor unionists, the teachers.

They will come after them and show them no mercy.

The hate is all over the radio band.  The paronia is there, they have their men at the levers of power.  The only option is widespread mobilization in the streets to demand that the 2006 elections be fair and free and the votes counted and stolen out from underneath our noses.
If we can't, or won't, do this, and take back the Congress in 2006, or if the Fascists make their clampdown and national emergency effective before then, all may be lost.

We let them steal the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections.  If another one goes by, and these Fascists retain power, I shudder for the future of my country and the world.

by MichiganDemocrat on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:21:18 PM EST

It's really hard to argue with the two Americas (none / 0)

principle any more.  What exists right is a minority of the country with extremist views in control of all three branches of the federal government.  The question becomes, will this extremism ever catch up with them?  Will the rest of the coutnry finally abandon them?
by descrates on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:28:12 PM EST

also (none / 0)

is there anything that can happen to push Bush's Republican support down?  Because if that can't happen, I really can't see how we could win back congress any time soon.
by descrates on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:29:58 PM EST
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Who are the people who say (none / 0)

the "press hurts democracy".  That makes me want to rip out all of my hair.  WTF!  Do these people know anything?
SquareState.net - Colorado Politics
by pacified on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:42:47 PM EST

Re: Who are the people who say (none / 0)


you've already ripped it out, watching FOX NEWS.
Now you want to rip it out when someone
recognizes they're full of BS?
by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 02:23:57 PM EST
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Even Dogs attack when in a corner (none / 0)

I only hope Politically to many will start to jump ship before the repigs get out of hand. This is one more reason to take back the congress in 06.
by eddieb on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:49:49 PM EST

One of your scariest posts, ever (none / 0)

This is one of the more terrifying things I've ever seen posted on a blog, in terms of "big picture" stuff.  This really scares the crap out of me.
The press is becoming perceived as being bad for democracy?!?!?!?!

I know your post will probably disappear into a black hole within a few weeks.  :(  I really do think it's phenomenally important.

by Winger on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 01:58:13 PM EST

Scary is right (none / 0)

"These people" are just being like the "good germans" during Hilter's power and we all know what took place under his leadership!
by HWS on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 02:14:04 PM EST

Re: Scary is right (none / 0)

Read Thomas Mann's letter to the university dean.
Ca. 1941.

The so called "progressives" are fist in
glove with all of this as well.

No downing street?
A full on crime of treason can get overlooked
why - because the media folks don't think
it sells advertising? White house press
secretary brushes it all off, just BANKING
on the idea that the "progressives" who
are all paid by media entertainment - will
abandon it because they all sell advertising
to make their day.

The silence about private property rights.

The goal here is not to fight for us -
when the nazis kicked in the door and bulldozed
jewish homes they had carefully researched
studies that showed Aryan neigborhoods
generate more tax revenue.

Give me a freaking break.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 02:27:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What's In Your Drug Cocktail, Anyway? (none / 0)

I'm really curious, TB.

It's some combo of hallucinogen and speed of some sort, plus something else I can't quite figure out. It's really starting to bug me trying to figure it out.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 04:15:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

what happens? (none / 0)

What happens when you have a ruling minority whose beliefs are quickly separating from the rest of the nation? What happens when this ruling minority has its own, massive, alternative press?

ask PW Botha

by benjoya on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 02:34:51 PM EST

Getting ready for WW III? (none / 0)

The development of a core of people who follow the strong leader, "my country, right or wrong" paradigm is one of the first stages to adjusting the populace for war.

First we identify internal enemies of the state and suppress them either through intimidation or forcefully. Then we pick a "fundamental" value that is being threatened by external forces (clash of civilizations, supply of raw materials, etc).

Then we whip the people up into a fury of righteous indignation. It is then a short step to justified war. It's hard to determine if our foes will be those restricting our supplies of raw materials (the middle east) or those competing for the available supplies (China).

Just like an ant colony that is under stress starts to adjust the types of ants that get created (workers vs soldiers) the same seems to happen with societies. We are training a new generation that is being taught the "us vs them" creed.

Just look at Iran as an example of how a moderately westernized society can be thrown back into the dark ages. Read Marjane Satrapi's "Persepolis" series for an insider's view of the Islamic Revolution.

Another good literay work on the subject:
"It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis

A determined minority with control over industry and the media can rapidly change public perception. Just remember it doesn't take much money to buy the loyalty of a poor person.

 

---Policies not Politics
Daily Quiet Image
by rdf on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 03:16:50 PM EST

The Chinese word for crisis (none / 0)

It is apparently considered a myth by some folks that the Chinese word for crisis is a combination of the characters for danger and opportunity.

All the same, it seems like a good lesson for Democrats to take to heart. Or it would be if the Democrats were capable of growing a spine and meeting the GOPers head on. It is difficult to defend the M$M when it is so obviously biased against you, but it may be better than nothing. I'll have to give that some thought.

  . . . . . . . . .  . hmmmm . . . . . .

OK. I've thought it over.

Maybe we should join the wingnuts in condemning the M$M. Tracy Chapman had a great song on her New Beginning album titled Start All Over Again. The actual lyrics were "Tear it all down and start all over again.

She was actually talking about the whole world, but the M$M may be a good place to start.

by Gary Boatwright on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 04:38:58 PM EST

next elections (none / 0)

Great and terrifying post.

I wonder what lengths the administration will go to keep from losing seats in congress? Will a simple terror alert ramp up be enough? It won't be as easy for them to affect all the congressional elections as it was the presidency. They can't start another war without a draft. What can they do? What are the options, really?

by sarany on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 06:23:36 PM EST

Re: next elections (none / 0)

I wonder what lengths the administration will go to keep from losing seats in congress?

Anything and everything. Remember the Durbin debacle -- how he uttered a needless mea culpa for telling the truth and the ReThugs "accepted" his appology only to turn around and stick Durbin's initial comments in a new Rove-Banrolled attack ad? Someone posted the following in my Haloscan about that very subject:

Incidentally, the Republican rhetoric kind of reminds of something I thought relegated to the history books after its last great profiteer - the backstab legend. Which was, to my knowledge, last used to great effect in the 1920's and '30s by the German ultra-nationalists to attack the treaty of Versailles and the Social Democrats... we all know who profited from that shit: a certain Austrian high traitor going by his stepfather's surname instead of his own...

Translation: The Rethugs pulled a "Hitler" by backstabbing Durbin!

And the gall of Karl Rove to feign concern that Durbin's comments could be broadcasted on Al-Jazeera simply speaks volumes as he and his rightwing goonsquad bankrolled that attack ad. If Al-Jazeera were to download that attack ad, the GOP's response will be, "It's Durbin's fault! If he wouldn't have said what he said in the first place, there would be no attack ad for Al-Jazeera to download!!" I guarantee you that!

Makes me wonder if I should shave my legs and start shopping for leaderhosen now or later.

by Sizemore on Mon Jun 27, 2005 at 10:09:08 PM EST
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Fascism Will Never Come To America (none / 0)

It is always premature to say that fascism has come to America. And we do not want to be premature. We do not want to be alarmists. We do not want to lose all credibility.

So, no matter what it looks or smells like (I won't even mention taste), whatever happens, fascism will never come to America.

And we can all rest easier knowing this is so.

Except for the gays.

And the Moslems.

And the intellectuals.

And the Jews.

Some people just never know how to relax.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 05:29:39 AM EST

Think again... (none / 0)

It is always premature to say that fascism has come to America. And we do not want to be premature. We do not want to be alarmists. We do not want to lose all credibility.
So, no matter what it looks or smells like (I won't even mention taste), whatever happens, fascism will never come to America.

Then we've already lost credibility.

Consider the following except from David Neiwart's "In God's Country"

It has always seemed to me that Americans view Nazism almost as some kind of strange European virus that afflicted only the Germans, and only for a brief period -- this by way of rationalizing that It Couldn't Happen Here. But it also seems clear to me this is wrong; that the Germans were ordinary, ostensibly civilized people like the rest of us. And that what went wrong in them could someday go wrong in us too.

I described some of this in the Afterword of In God's Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest, reminiscing about a professor's midafternoon lecture:

    When he was a young man, he told us, he served in the U.S. Army as part of the occupation forces in Germany after World War II. He was put to work gathering information for the military tribunal preparing to prosecute Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg. His job was to spend time in the villages adjacent to one concentration camp and talk to the residents about what they knew.

    The villagers, he said, knew about the camp, and watched daily as thousands of prisoners would arrive by rail car, herded like cattle into the camps. And they knew that none ever left, even though the camp never could have held the vast numbers of prisoners who were brought in. They also knew that the smokestack of the camp's crematorium belched a near-steady stream of smoke and ash. Yet the villagers chose to remain ignorant about what went on inside the camp. No one inquired, because no one wanted to know.

    "But every day," he said, "these people, in their neat Germanic way, would get out their feather dusters and go outside. And, never thinking about what it meant, they would sweep off the layer of ash that would settle on their windowsills overnight. Then they would return to their neat, clean lives and pretend not to notice what was happening next door.

    "When the camps were liberated and their contents were revealed, they all expressed surprise and horror at what had gone on inside," he said. "But they all had ash in their feather dusters."

That story neatly compresses the way fascism works: in a vacuum of denial.

The gradual mechanism by which this phenomenon gradually crept over Germany was vividly described in They Thought They Were Free, a book by Milton Mayer about "how and why `decent men' became Nazis":

    What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

Boy, if that last paragraph doesn't sum up the super-secretive actions of the past 5 years on the part of the Bush Administation, then I don't know what will and that frightens me because if there are people in this country who refuse to acknowledge the simularities, then it is indeed too late and the last few pages of Plato's "The Republic" will closely resemble the last  chapter in this experiment we call America.

by Sizemore on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 01:47:04 AM EST
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Independents (none / 0)

Independents go from 22% to 33% on the "press hurts democracy" question. Clearly, the right wing noise machine is having some kind of effect.

The danger of joining in the attack on the media is that a general distrust of information sources will lead to isolation and paranoia, which helps right wing politics. The danger of not attacking the media is that the supine collaboration that it presents gets defined as liberalism when it isn't close. This may be another case where calling for reform--pointing out the weaknesses while simultaneously reminding people of what the true role of the press in a free society should be--may be the best strategy.

by willpax on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 08:09:23 AM EST


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