Kelo v. New London: More Tricknology of the Right

However you feel about the Supreme Court's recent eminent domain decision in Kelo confirming the right of cities to forcibly purchase your property for private economic development, please remember that 1) these purchases are often done via private development entities (this isn't new), but more importantly, 2) Conservatives Scalia, Rehnquist and Thomas primarily support the homeowners b/c they believe owning property is a fundamental right and any interference with private property is a government "taking."  

Again (setting aside honest redevelopment vs. gentrification issues), this is the same reasoning behind saying restaurant owners have the right to not serve Blacks or miners/loggers can destroy the habitat of an endangered species (b/c, as the reasoning goes, the gov't should never force private property owners to do anything they don't want [without compensation]).  Currently, several states keep drug prices lower artificially by threatening to "condemn" patented drugs the same way they do with real estate.  If property rights ever became "fundamental" like Scalia and Thomas believe, medicaid would fall apart even faster than it aleady is.  

Feel however you like, but please remember that this case was brought by the conservative/libertarian law firm, Institute for Justice , to achieve a political end.  For them, it's not just about some blue-collar homeowners in New London, it's about re-establishing the same feudal, absolute property rights that caused serfdom and slavery.  

This is the same thing as putting poor Black kids on TV to promote vouchers while the public school system falls apart.  They just want us to identify with a few individuals instead of the common good.



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I'd like to suggest that we all pledge not to shop at the new New London Mall or anywhere in New London for that matter.  

I wonder how many of the people effected voted for the politicians that are now taking their homes away.

It is basically unfair to stack a city against its own law abiding residents.  With a little creativity and thought there would have been an answer to this dilemna but I fell you are right, this was done in order to get it all the way to the Supreme Court so a precedent can be set.  That's the way the game is played.  

DAGGER
by goplies on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 04:07:46 AM EST

I respectfully disagree... (3.00 / 1)

RBlack said:2) Conservatives Scalia, Rehnquist and Thomas primarily support the homeowners b/c they believe owning property is a fundamental right and any interference with private property is a government "taking."  

It's NOT fundamental? How on earth can contemporary liberals push for a fundamental right to have an abortion, yet abandon a liberty that's arguably even MORE basic? And it's sloppy to say they think ANY interference is a taking... Thomas makes reference to legitimate police power in his dissent...  

RBlack said: If property rights ever became "fundamental" like Scalia and Thomas believe, medicaid would fall apart even faster than it aleady is.  

I think you're missing the point. This case wasn't about substantive due process (i.e., fundamental rights analysis); it was about ensuring that "public use" actually means something.

RBlack said: For them, it's not just about some blue-collar homeowners in New London, it's about re-establishing the same feudal, absolute property rights that caused serfdom and slavery.

The "absolutism" you refer to that maintained slavery is a thing of our dark past...But in any event, it seems absurd to throw out the idea of property rights generally because it was hijacked and abused by an evil power center at one time...You might as well say equal protection under the law should be tossed, since it was once used to justify segregated schools and public transportation (see Plessy, etc. )

Again, this case was about ensuring that "public use" is actually a meaningful limit on power...

Suppose a state had a law on the books defining "probable cause" as merely one private individual's desire to have another's home searched... Wouldn't a Supreme Court ruling upholding that definition render the warrant clause of the fourth amendment essentially meaningless? That's how I see the New London ruling...

Or put another way: why is there a presumption that warrantless searches are UNreasonable (putting a high burden on the government to justify them), but municipal  definitions of "public use" are presumed rational? ...Isn't the central message of the bill of rights that we should err on the side of liberty? ... seems this should promote more consistency in how we assess it...

RBlack said: but please remember that this case was brought by the conservative/libertarian law firm, Institute for Justice , to achieve a political end.  

Suppose a Right Wing group said something like, "oh those abortion rights groups are nothing but political - they don't really care about the individual"... Would that be fair? ... IMO, there's no reason to think these groups aren't sincere in their desire to protect our property rights...

The effort by liberals to rationalize this decision is very concerning to me. Somewhere we've lost our CLASSICAL liberalism in all this - i.e., the philosophy that is BOTH pro-privacy AND pro-property... AND pro-strict separation between church and state... AND pro gun rights, for that matter... As a classical liberal democrat, I don't think we should cherry pick liberties for protection...

Hank

by HKingsley on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 11:26:09 AM EST

the Institute for Justice (none / 0)

IIRC, opposes all uses of eminent domain. That is probably not the position of most people here (though I will admit that the issue of eminent domain has not come up enough for me to have a good sense of how this community actually feels about eminent domain). So, yes, the residents of New London were represented by a radical organization. That does not make their position wrong - I think most of us would agree that there are legitimate and illegitimate uses of eminent domain. I am not thoroughly familiar with the details of this case, but I am under the impression that this was a questionable use of eminent domain, even from a non-libertarian perspective.
by liberal atheist on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 11:34:22 AM EST

Re: the Institute for Justice (none / 0)

but I am under the impression that this was a questionable use of eminent domain, even from a non-libertarian perspective.

yes... that's what I'm saying... the court had an open opportunity to say, "look... public use can't simply mean switching out one ordinary use for another..." .... In many ways, the ruling means a municipality can now simply fall back on the conclusion that one owner would be more "productive" than another...But as O'Connor wrote in her dissent:

"For who among us can say she already makes the most productive or attractive possible use of her property? The specter of condemnation hangs over all property. Nothing is to prevent the State from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory. "

hank

by HKingsley on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 11:52:08 AM EST
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Re: the Institute for Justice (none / 0)

I'm also saying: look, G** damn it... WE -- the populists -- should be championing property rights...WE'RE the true "liberals", damn it... Why cede the position to the wingnuts?? ... why force centrists like myself to wonder if I'm in the wrong party??

hank

by HKingsley on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 11:54:47 AM EST
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Re: the Institute for Justice (none / 0)

There is definately a liberal view on both sides to this case, but if the city is sincerely trying to improve eveyone's situation (and paying the homeowners fairly for their land), they are not the enemy.

Eastern CT's economy is in the toilet and the state's major industries (whaling and textiles) are never, ever coming back.  If the development is successful, it will feed more people, plain and simple.

You can argue its okay to ignore the self-interest of the law firm, but how can you ignore the interests of city's residents (who elected the leaders)?  I know Danbury and a few places further north of New London better than that particular town, but CT has some pretty harsh poverty we don't see on TV because it's mostly White people suffering (but that's another topic). The town is just trying to survive.

America's future is really at stake here.  Good jobs are leaving the US forever.  Admittedly, this is a bad job vs. no job choice for the town but in the end, people need to eat. Those homeowners were starving some of their neighbors (while the developers were offering them fair market value).

Property is important, but our civil rights, disability rights and environmental protections all involve infringing on someone's property.  

 

by Read Black N Green on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 04:16:36 PM EST
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Re: the Institute for Justice (none / 0)

Those homeowners were starving some of their neighbors (while the developers were offering them fair market value).

Please document the assertion that the offers represent "fair market value." If indeed that was the case, the owners would have sold. Market value, by defenition, is the price which consummates a deal.



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by benmasel on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 06:07:04 PM EST
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You do not understand the case or the issue (none / 0)

I don't know any other way to say it. You need to go back to the drawing board and do some basic research on redevelopment in general and this case in particular.
by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 06:15:37 PM EST
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The Institute for Justice is a red herring (none / 0)

Who cares if a wingnut think tank brought the suit? They were right and so were Thomas, Scalia, Rhenquist and O'Connor.

The Constitutional takings argument is a distinct issue from the public use issue. There is no valid public policy rationale for taking a working man's home and giving it to Walmart of a baseball owner for a ballpark.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 04:18:29 PM EST

Re: The Institute for Justice is a red herring (none / 0)

BTW, I don't expect to win this arguement ("however you feel..."), I just want folks to really know what's going on.  People are getting played.  These firms all have the same M.O., they seek out sympathetic clients and bring cases that equal 1-step in changing the law.  Conservatives have mastered this (although it was pioneered by the NAACP).  There will be more cases, especially when O'Connor or another swing vote retires and Bush looks for a conservative replacement.

This case is the result of conservative activists picking a fight to influence public debate, it just bothers me that it's working so well.  It's not the tactic (both sides use it), it's the ideological wedge it drives between sincere people who are really on the same side.

Do cities overreach? Yes.  But, the purpose of this case was to get liberals to side with the conservative position.  The policy debate is as central as the actual courts were to this case.  And they were successful.  While I personally (like many of us) have some conservative views, this just feels unsettling.  

by Read Black N Green on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 04:48:05 PM EST
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Re: The Institute for Justice is a red herring (none / 0)

But, the purpose of this case was to get liberals to side with the conservative position.

"get liberals to side with"? ... Why isn't it our position ALREADY?

hank

by HKingsley on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 05:59:33 PM EST
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You shouldn't expect to win the argument (none / 0)

For the simple reason that you are wrong. You do not understand redevelopment or judicial decision making. Your contention that this was a conservative plot or a conservative victory is bizarre. Conservatives are as outraged as liberals about this decision.
by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 06:17:58 PM EST
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Conservatives & Redevelopment (none / 0)

Visit Townhall for a review of Abuse of Power by Steven Greenhut

How local government officials can use "eminent domain" to take YOUR property -- and give it to rich developers
And how they're doing it to your fellow citizens every day, all across America!

Reviewing the same book, The Claremont Institute says What A Revolting Development

And Michelle Malkin has a roundup of conservative blogs, Home Matters: The Day After (click through for links):

The (right side of the) blogosphere's response to yesterday's SCOTUS ruling on Kelo v. New London has been stunning. And heartening. Eminent domain isn't usually the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks "blogswarm." But the fierce reaction to the decision shows that core economic liberty issues can still unite disparate factions of the right (South Park cons, neocons, Schiavo-cons, whatever-cons) who have been fretting about a conservative crack-up.

My wonk-ish hope is that more attention will be paid to bogus community redevelopment/urban blight eradication/tax increment-financing schemes masquerading as "public use" projects. In the New London case, the private corporate beneficiary was Pfizer, the pharmaceutical giant. In Seattle, it was Nordstrom (reg reqd). Across the country, it's money-losing multiplexes and luxury stadium deals. In all cases, the losers are taxpayers, homeowners, and small businesses.

N.Z. Bear has created a Kelo topic page to track blog posts related to the ruling.

The Wall Street Journal weighs in on the Supreme Court's reverse Robin Hoods.

George Will has an eloquent column today decrying the ruling. His credibility is undermined by his silence on government land grabs for his beloved baseball stadiums.

But Will's credibility is not nearly as eroded as that of New York Times liberals, who either have nothing to say about the case or who support the decision to strip " a few small property owners" of their dreams--an outcome they might undoubtedly decry if not for their company's own vested interested in protecting such rights-trampling boondoggles.


by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 06:46:51 PM EST

Take a step back and look at the big picture (none / 0)

The liberals won the case, but the conservatives are winning the debate.  Conservatives are blasting the decision because it puts community decisionmaking over the rights of individual property owners.  In est, they are siding with the individual property owners.  Further, a solid percentage of liberals are also saying the individual property owners were right (and the city decision-makers were wrong).

The conservatives should hate the decision, but liberals should not be attacking it with them.  Redevelopment is about creating jobs and infusing a reletively poorer community with capital.  You can argue that the city's plan for redevelopment is flawed, but they are elected officials.  Absent allegations of fraud or bad faith, they represent the majority of people's will.  

Not that it matters, but I used to manage a Community Development Financial Institution in the Bed-Stuy section of Brooklyn, NYC.  Eminent Domain gives the government leverage when negotiating with holdout property owners.  These development projects enrich private parties, but are designed to also give an economic boost to dying communities and grow the tax base.  

There may be better development schemes out there, but you can't assume the city isn't honestly representing it's citizens.  Personally, I think the homeowners should be paid over time based on the new, higher FMV of the redeveloped land(to be fair), BUT in principal, communities need the power to improve conditions.  If the city leaders overreached by delegating so much authority, the people can vote them out.  

by Read Black N Green on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 09:05:09 PM EST

Do you know the way to San Jose? (none / 0)

When did the Democratic party become more sympathetic to corporate manipulation of the political process than Republicans? This decision was a Supreme Misunderstanding.

I suspect there are one or two genuine blighted areas in Bedford-Stuyvesant. That doesn't translate into blighted areas in one third of San Jose and half of Long Beach. I have absolutely no problem assuming the City Council are a bunch of crooks, thieves and corporate whores. They usually are.

You can argue that the city's plan for redevelopment is flawed, but they are elected officials.  Absent allegations of fraud or bad faith, they represent the majority of people's will.

Maybe Brooklyn has a higher class of local politicians than we do in California. Maybe it's easy to vote out an incumbant in Bed-Stuy, but in California they have a huge incumbant advantage and don't give a rat's ass about the people's will. In most cases the number of voters affected by a ballpark or Costco or shopping center are not large enough to compete with the political muscle of the development community.

I'm pretty astounded at your faith in local politicians. Maybe back east you don't have the expression you can't fight city hall. Santa Ana isn't trying to shut down the Isaiah House because the community wants it shut down. In fact, since the business community and their neighbors both like them, nobody in Santa Ana has a clue why the City Council wants to shut them down. The only explanation I have is that the City Council are a bunch of craven, evil sonsabitches.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 09:41:48 PM EST
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Back Off IJ (none / 0)

I can't believe that you had the nerve to call IJ conservative.  There are plenty of libertarian nuts out there, but IJ is a wonderful organization that works for good.  I also think that you fail to actually understand the background to the case.  Government takings are legal in certain situations and there was no dispute at all to this being a takings.  The dispute was if it was a public use.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Taking private property for public use is an establish principle in American government, not even the so called Constitution in Exile crowd is that radical.  Rather the Constitution in Exile crowd has a relatively narrow idea of what is public use, and also has a relatively broad idea of what is a takings.  But I'm disgusted at the liberals on the court that didn't take the obvious route out.  Uphold the principle of taking private property for public use and argue that this isn't public use.

by LoganFerree on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 09:42:55 PM EST


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