What Conservatives Prepared For

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Rove said Wednesday night at a Manhattan gathering of the Conservative Party of New York state.
It is clear now that Karl Rove is not going to apologize for his remarks. Ken Mehlman, Andrew Card and Scott McClellan have all made that clear. Considering this, I thought I would look at Rove's words a little differently, and look at just what it was that conservative's prepared for. Here is a partial list: Some will argue either that conservatives did not prepare at all, or that they did not prepare for these things to happen. However, no matter what conservatives prepared for, this is what their preparation, or lack thereof, has wrought.



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Bush planned a generational war (none / 0)

I'm still trying to figure out what Condi meant by "generational war." My understanding is that the phrase "generational" encompasses somehwere between 20 and 30 years.

Has anyone asked Condi or Bush exactly how many years Condi was talking about? How many more GIs do they plan on killing over the next 20-30 years in Iraq?

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:36:23 PM EST

As I diaried (none / 0)

over at dailykos on Rove, "Desperate Rhetoric from a Failed Presidency".

I love the list.

by kj on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:46:13 PM EST

To go shopping (none / 0)

Remember thats what shrub asked all good americans to do after 9/11 to go shopping.
So while Liberals were trying find out what happened and how it happened the conservatives were increasing the credit limit on thier plastic so they could do thier patriotic duty by assualting the local malls and upscale shops.
by Rational on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:51:20 PM EST

Karl was promoted after election 2004 (none / 0)

He is now a Senior Policy Advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff

If most or all of my policies were unadulterated failures, I'd lash out too.

Good job, Karl.

by zappatero on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 09:47:29 PM EST

The hell with preparation after the fact ... (none / 0)

What about prevention? The Bushies, despite numerous warnings, plus the benefit of all the experiences, intelligence gathering and groundwork, successes and failures of the Clinton administration offered to Bushco either in briefings during the transition or from holdover career folks like Clarke who had already done the homework, did virtually nothing to stop 9/11 or arrest the progress of al-Qaida.

Clinton had his own missed opportunities, but Clinton was learning as he went along and by the time the Bushies came in had a pretty decent grasp of what was going on and detailed counterterrorism strategies. And the Clinton folks managed to thwart several potentially devastating, multi-casualty attack plots by PAYING ATTENTION and setting priorities -- and did this, by the way, with virtually the same FBI and CIA (same directors even), with all their lack of coordination, turf-guarding, outdated computers and personnel shortages, as Bush had to work with.

 If Bush had built on that reality-based momentum instead of frittering his administration's time away with useless crap like his Iraq obsession, and SDI and other Cold War residue, he might have been able not only to prevent 9/11 but formulate a coherent overall counterterrorism strategy of his own. But he would have had to show some leadership, something that's not in his limited skills set.

Say what you will about Clinton, there aren't any  "1/1" millennium families, are there?

by val on Sat Jun 25, 2005 at 12:19:19 AM EST

evil little typo-Nazi (none / 0)

Good post. What really gets me are all the conservatives defending Rove. It's like conservatives can do no evil in their eyes...

And I hate being an evil little typo-Nazi but you've got one:

Conservatives prepared for more than 70% of reconstruction funs to be diverted to security.
Let's also add conservatives were prepared to lose track of $9 billion in reconstruction funds
by atsquish on Sat Jun 25, 2005 at 03:57:01 PM EST

Ha... (none / 0)

They also prepared for this stuff from Liberals who want to go to the left fringe of every debate.

They were prepared for a second term and knew how  to win a majority.

by MODERATEdem on Sat Jun 25, 2005 at 07:09:20 PM EST

I think... (none / 0)

we should look at this issue from the point of view of republicans we find "reasonable".. in order to convert the unconverted.

If you had felt the war was righteous (hard to imagine that but try), and your opponent tried to voice against it by saying "you prepared for poor vehicles for our soldiers", you wouldn't exactly side with their view any more than before.

Or use any other cause; you wouldn't oppose stem cell research even "100 people died in a related, one-time incident" or anything else because it's totally circumstantial, insignificant details (in the grand scheme of things, ambitions, plans etc). Especially since the poor equipment used by soldiers was not an issue known to either side (right?..).

There are other things like this... If you thought your cause was right you wouldn't care if there was high death toll on your part.

I think it may be better to use their words and simply use their context to make it as clear as possible. For example, "Conservatives did not strike their attackers, instead wasted billions of dollars, human resources and public trust to ply a war against made-believe enemies"...

I mean, why don't you just make it short and sweet the way Karl Rove is making it? He's placed it in the perfect context: enemies YES or NO. He said YES, all evidence says NO.

Of course informationally you have said a lot more, but I think it'd take a lot of benevolence for a Republican to cut through all the circumstantial "cost" of the war and get to the facts that really implicate the administrations's intent, which is what republicans really care about (the ideals, ideas behind things), rather than what it will cost them (a trait which I have to say is admirable - not to the extent that I'd want to see innocent Iraqis die for "freedom", but in the same way that environmentalists might chose more the more expensive (alternative energy, organic food) and the more difficult route (biking, less luxurious lifestyles even if cheap luxuries abound).)

by Jcca on Sun Jun 26, 2005 at 02:59:17 AM EST

Great List-one major suggestion (none / 0)

I think this list is one of the best, to the point assesment of the failures of this administration I have seen.  I would only change one thing: the frame of the debate.

As it is, the list responds to the Rove frame of "conservative strength vs. liberal weakness".  While the FACTS show the errors of the conservatives, the FRAME reinforces the beliefs of  both conservatives and liberals about each other.    

We can't stay trapped in their frames.  It's not enough to be right, we also have to be convincing.

I suggest we use these facts but reframe it as a COMPETENCE and HONESTY issue by changing the word "Conservative" at the beginning of each point to the phrase "This incompetent Adminstration".

Further, I suggest including things that we are for at the end of each bullet point.  The model would be:

"This Incompetent Administration" (insert stupidity here).  An honest and effective administration would (insert better policy here.

by Mudshark on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 10:08:36 PM EST


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