Clark With The Early Lead Among the Netroots

Even though we are still seventeen months from full-blown netroots participation in the 2008 Presidential campaign, if you are anything like me, no matter far out it is you still want to know which way the netroots winds are blowing. That is why, last Thursday, MyDD started running a poll on the Democratic Presidential nomination for 2008. Although it was hardly our first poll on this subject, there have been more votes in this poll than any other which has appeared on MyDD. Concurrently, a poll on the subject has been running over at Dailykos, which has seen a similar astronomical participation rate. It is somewhat tricky to combine the two polls, largely because Dailykos polls can have twelve options while MyDD polls can only have ten. However, even with that in mind, and even with Kos already providing us with his thought on the poll, here is a quick rundown of how I read the results:
  • Clark. Clark clearly starts out with an edge among the netroots. Combined at Dailykos and MyDD, he received 26.2% of the vote, a little bit more than double that of any other candidate. This is not really surprising, considering that Clark was quite popular among the netroots in 2003-2004. With Dean out of the picture, Obama not running, Feingold weakened by recent events, and a generally centrist field, Clark with probably maintain his edge for some time. The benefits of this position are not limited to having the largest support among the netroots, as one has to imagine that much of Clark's support comes from the "old guard" among Internet activists. This could also provide him with experience and talent unavailable to other candidates.

  • Clinton. I have watched over the months as she has steadily risen in these sorts of polls here at MyDD. Now, even with nearly 16,000 votes cast at Dailykos and MyDD combined, she has narrowly pulled into second place (11.4% in the two polls combined). If Clinton runs for President, and is the second favorite candidate online, it is really, really hard to imagine how she will not win the nomination.

  • Feingold Electability has always played a role in choosing candidates, and among the netroots it is no different. Clearly, recent personal events have damaged Feingold's perceived chances to both run for President and to become President were he to run. There was a time when I believed wholeheartedly that Russ had a chance to build a netroots movement much, much larger than what Dean put together in 2003. However, that does not look as though it will come to pass now. In the past, he had led these polls both at Dailykos and MyDD. Now, I imagine he will have a difficult time regaining that position.

  • Edwards As I have noted in the past, Edwards has taken some strong steps toward building a base among the netroots. Despite this, he still languished behind Hillary (8.5% of the vote combined). In fact, if anything, his stock is actually dropping among the netroots. Can't say I know why, but it will be interesting watch his movement in these polls over the next year.

  • Richardson and Warner. These two governors form an interesting third-tier all their own. At 5.0% and 5.7% respectively, they are already drawing a reasonable amount of support despite being new faces to the scene. As comparative unknowns, right now, it would appear that these two would have the most "breakout" potential of anyone outside of Clark (and possibly even including Clark).

  • The rest. I'll quote from Kos on this one: "So what do we know? The field is clearly wide open, and there's a sense that we can do better than this lot. Gore, in particular, seems to have a lot of potential support if he were to express interest in running (he hasn't)." It is hard to see well-knowns like Kerry and Biden, already below 3% in these polls, gaining much traction at all. Bayh and Vilsack might have better chances, but Vilsack did not even break 1%, and Bayh ahs the blogosphere despised specter of the DLC about him. Someone could potentially be drafted into the field, or break out of this pack with a series of popular and bold policy proposals.
It is still really, really early. Expect more of these polls in the future, of course.



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Navelgazers... (3.00 / 1)

That's what the Clark voters are...  A bunch of "netroots" navelgazers remembering the glory days... when the Kos community surprisingly plucked a lifetime-turncoat Republican war-hero out of obscurity, shoved his inexperienced deer-in-the-headlights ass in front of a shitload of microphones and t.v. cameras... only to watch him flail and blabber... and leave him in flapping in the wind when Kos began "consulting" for Dean.

Come on, people... we can do better than this.  Give me something idealistic to fight for in the primary...  Like a "liberal" or a "progressive" or a "first woman president"... not another tired white male conservative war-hero.  We've done that already.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:04:49 PM EST

Brilliant post (none / 0)

What is it about Clark? He is so not ready for prime time. And I am still worried about that war criminal stuff written about on Counterpunch.
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by politizine on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:11:38 PM EST
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The two big surprises are Clark and Clinton (none / 0)

Clark's solid first place in both polls--more than twice Clinton's result--shows him to be surprisingly strong and Clinton surprisingly weak, at least when compared to the national polls which mostly reflect name recognition.
It will be interesting to see how this advantage for Clark plays out in terms of gaining support among activists.
by tommywonk on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:08:08 PM EST

Clark winning a poll should not be a surprise. (none / 0)

The many sites already set up to push him for 08 also push polls to be voted on.  I think it strange that though this has been acknowledged at Kos, MyDD, and DU before in the open....that is not being talked about now.

There is nothing wrong with it, it is legal.  However, how can we ever know if it gives a true picture?  We can't know.  Kos and Jerome this time seem to accept it as a true picture, yet they are still pushing it at these sites.  People in the news pay attention to these polls, and they will not get a fair picture.

I don't vote in polls just for that reason.  A lot of Edwards former supporters don't either.  We know it just does not make a difference.  

If we want a true picture of the netroots views, there should be accountable voting...and there is not at this time.  

by concerned democrat on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:06:05 PM EST
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What about Schweitzer? (none / 0)

I keep hearing vague rumors about this Schweitzer guy and I don't have a clue who he is.

Can somebody get in touch with the good folks at Frontier Pac and get some solid facts about him?

by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:12:13 PM EST

Re: What about Schweitzer? (none / 0)

I just left a comment on their blog requesting a diary about Schweitzer.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:14:42 PM EST
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Re: What about Schweitzer? (none / 0)

Yeah.

I like Schweitzer. Unlike Kerry, he IS the real deal.

by mysteve on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:21:28 PM EST
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Re: What about Schweitzer? (none / 0)

There was a very good interview with Schweitzer on Salon a few months ago. He talks a good populist game, while framing stuff like environmentalism and gay rights in a manner that's appealing to libertarian elements in the west. When people in the blogosphere talk about the developing "Western strategy," basically they're talking about him. (It sure as hell isn't Richardson they're talking about.)

That said, he's only been in office for half a year, and it's a little premature to begin pimping him for 2008. I'd rather wait till he has a successful term under his belt before promoting him from flavor of the month. Put him with Obama in the on-deck circle.

(I can't guarantee you can access the full text of the interview; I've just about given up on Salon, in fact. Getting the Salon daypass to work is a crapshoot if you have firewalls.)

by Crazy Vaclav on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:00:54 PM EST
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Re: What about Schweitzer? (none / 0)

Thanks Vaclav. I finally popped for a subscription to Salon. I'll check out the interview.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:06:54 PM EST
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Don't Count Feingold Out (3.00 / 2)

The "recent personal events" that are referred to as "damaging" was nothing more than a divorce. There was no intern in the closet, no online pedophilia with gov job rewards, etc. I live in WI (so I'm probably biased) but there has been absolutely no scandal at all around this.

So why count the guy out? After all, he voted against the Iraq War Resolution and was the sole "no" vote against the Privacy Intrusion (sometimes called "Patriot") Act.

I guess I don't see a divorce as the Scarlet Letter. Let's leave that in the 19th century and give Russ a shot.

by DDenver on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:50:00 PM EST

Re: Don't Count Feingold Out (none / 0)

It's not the divorce.

It's the being single part.

People like First Ladies "who play the part"

Remember how much unfair criticism Judith Dean got for not being on the campaign trail.

Divorcees, of course, have become President.
See Reagan.  But he was married at the time.

by v2aggie2 on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 12:06:08 AM EST
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Why Quote KOS? (3.00 / 1)

He picked a loser in 04.
by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 03:54:17 PM EST

Three times ... (none / 0)

Dean, then Edwards, then Kerry ...
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by politizine on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:09:55 PM EST
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Feingold? (3.00 / 2)

Chris, your comment on Feingold is curious seeing that you did not include him in the MyDD poll. In that poll, you should notice that "Other" is currently in third place and only a few votes out of second.  I suspect that many of those voting "other" meant the same thing I did: Russ Feingold.

Why was he left out of the poll?

Matt Flynn
by Flynnieous on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:21:41 PM EST

maybe this Chris is a rightwinger (none / 0)

Maybe he favors Clinton or Clark or some other rightwing candidate.  It is becoming clear to me that all the major democratic forums and blogs are run by democratic party loyalists who really are not that much into real progressive political issues. Some of them may strongly support some candidate, but never a real progressive. Feingold is probably the most prominent progressive in America. And sure enough all the major bloggers are dissing him.  These major bloggers got that way because they got mentions from the elite media. But you don't get mentioned by the elite media if you are a real progressive. They only mention party loyalist bloggers. Which by definition is "centrist", which is euphemism for rightwinger.
by cryofan on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 05:59:42 PM EST
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Yeah (none / 0)

they don't give a damn about personal purity, they want to win. Imagine how much better off blacks, gays, owls, whales, trees, kids, etc. are when Democrats win. What's more important to you? The above? Or your "dignity"? Your choice.
by Paul Goodman on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 05:35:10 PM EST
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Johnboy (3.00 / 0)

I can point to the exact day that things started to go wrong for John Edwards vis a vis cultivating the netroots... the day he publicly and unwisely rebutted the Howard Dean "white Christian" thing. Now this wasn't a calculated and planned rebuttal like Biden has been doing repeatedly; it was an offhand comment that he wasn't prepared for and I'm quite willing to forget about it. Moral of the story, though: don't piss off the Deaniacs! They still drive the netroots and aren't quick to forgive.

I still probably like Edwards the best of the choices in the poll as structured (i.e. Feingold-free). He's as close to an economic populist as we have on that list, and he's very good at framing that populism in everyday, inclusive terms. I'm disappointed that he became a non-entity in the last months of the 04 campaign, but assume he'd be a more forceful presence behind the wheel instead of riding shotgun.

Actually, in order to get anywhere in 2008, he needs a job for the next 4 years. I'm only partly kidding when I say maybe he should join Wes Clark at Fox.

by Crazy Vaclav on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 04:30:28 PM EST

I don't see how a divorce bars you... (3.00 / 1)

Sure, it's a rough thing to go through, but I think that the guy has shown some toughness.  Certainly a divorce isn't a bar from office.  Certainly many 'defenders of the sancity of marriage' have have sevral marriages.

No... true... a bachelor president would be interesting.  What happens when he realizes how much tail a single president can get?

Jejeje.

Really though... so far, aside from Dean, Feingold sounds pretty OK.

by teknofyl on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:28:04 PM EST

Name Recognition (none / 0)

This poll is largely warped by name recognition. Clark is the Clinton stalking horse...he's not running again if she does. The board is getting wrapped up on retail politics here--sure he's a former general who obviously does not look soft on terror and who has centrist positions.

But if we are going to do that, why not nominate the guy doing the heavy lifting in Iraq, David Petraus? The man is builiding the Iraq Army from scratch...my guess is he would make an okay President. And Clark is often just a way for non-Clintonistas to feel good about electing a candidate who is rudderless.

Until the media covers more local candiates other than the Clarks, Edwards, Clintons, don't expect this poll to change.

by risenmessiah on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:53:40 PM EST

Dream Ticket (none / 0)

Gore/Edwards 2008  Clark for Sec of Defense  Kerry for Sec of State (so Teresa can run against Santorum next year).  Well a guy can dream I guess.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 06:46:24 PM EST

It's only 2005 (3.00 / 1)

...and Russ Feingold is being written off already?

The primaries are still three years away.

It's Russ's decision to run or not.  Unless he officially announces he's not going to run, he should be included in the polls and considered a serious candidate.

Divorce is a non-issue.  Reagan was divorced.

We need a strong Russ Feingold campaign in 2008 whether or not he winds up with the nomination.  Don't blow this chance before the horse is even out of the gate...

by ACSR on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:39:43 PM EST

Hillary Running - my 2 cents (none / 0)

1.  It is early.  Things can change. However, the REAL campaign for the nominations has long started.  
It takes more organization, more money, more time to do things now, that it took before.

2.  I always check out http://www.tradesports.com/ Its a market indicator, and quite reliable.  Here, people put their money where their mouth it.  So, they analyze, they calculate, they think, they read. Otherwise, they will lose their money.  Hillary is beating anyone.  Clark is nowhere to be found.

You should check it out.  Hopefully you can make some money too.

3.  Hillary started her campaign and has choked the money/financial support from the N-E.  Here is a bit satire and a lot of truth about her
George H.W. Bush's Daughter-in-Law, Hillary Clinton is Running for President Unopposed"

Or the site is http://www.tradesports.com/  June 20, 2005 article

4. Clark does not have as much $$, a strong organization, and a strong media connections as Hillary and Bill. After all, the guy was the President twice. That should count for something.

by dtlc on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:44:06 AM EST

Hillary Running - my 2 cents (none / 0)

Re: Hillary Running - my 2 cents

I got the link wrong.  My apologies

3.  
George H.W. Bush's Daughter-in-Law, Hillary Clinton is Running for President UnOpposed"

Or the site is http://satire.myblogsite.com/blog
article dated June 20, 2005

by dtlc on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 01:47:34 AM EST

Stupid polls without Gore (none / 0)

He might very well be ahead if Clinton if people were allowed to vote for him. And, no, "other" doesn't get all his votes.

Since none of these people including Biden have definitely announced their candidacy, it seems like Gore is being disqualified from these polls on a technicality.

Remember the March Madness voting? It wound up Gore and Clark in the finals.

by TrainWreck on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 03:48:06 PM EST

This is amusing to me. (none / 0)

I served under Clark during the Kosovo liberation. He's hardly what I'd term a "liberal" and yet this general is a favorite of the dem base? Talk about irony.
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by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 09:49:07 PM EST

A lot of these people (none / 0)

don't have a clue.
by Paul Goodman on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 05:36:48 PM EST
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