Aristocratic Right Wing Blogosphere Stagnating

Last September, I wrote an article entitled Top Down Right-Wing Blogosphere Growing Powerful, that argued the anti-community nature of right-wing blogs was allowing them relatively greater message discipline than left wing blogs and a superior ability to influence the content of the national media. In January, I wrote a follow-up piece entitled Partisan Democratic Blogs Growing Far More Influential Than "Independent" Right-Wing Blogs, where I argued that progressive blogs, due to their affiliation with the Democratic Party, were growing influential in ways that the largely media focused right-wing blogosphere was not. In my latest irregular installment that compares the national liberal blogosphere to the national conservative blogosphere, I would like to discuss a new phenomenon I see emerging. The left-wing blogosphere is beginning to decidedly pull away from the right wing blogosphere in terms of traffic. This is largely a result of the open embrace of community blogging on the left and the stagnant, anti-meritorious nature of the right-wing blogosphere that pushes new, emerging voices to the margins.

As I have always been prone to do, I spent much of the morning looking at the Blogads traffic rankings. Adding up the 200 blogs that are concerned with politics and either identify or have been identified with Democrats / liberals or Republicans / conservatives, I found 87 blogs that general fit into the "liberal" category and 113 blogs that fit into the conservative category. However, despite the greater number of conservative blogs, the liberal blogs totaled nearly ten million page views per week, while the conservative blogs managed just over six million. I have been tracking the comparative audiences of the two blogosphere off and on for the past nine months, and this is the largest lead for the liberal blogosphere that I have ever found. In September, the margin in favor of Democrats was 25%. In winter, it was 33%. In the spring, it was 50%. Now, it has risen to 65%. This is particularly amazing, since less than two years ago the conservative blogosphere was at least twice the size of the liberal blogosphere.

So the liberal blogosphere is beginning to pull away from the conservative blogopshere in terms of audience size. At the same time, there appear to be more conservative blogs than liberal blogs. In fact, when it comes to total number, new Republican / conservative blogs might even be outpacing new Democratic / liberal blogs. What could be the cause of this?

The answer that seems most likely to me is community. Take a look at the breakdown of the 200 blogs I surveyed by quintile:

      1-40    41-80    81-120    121-160    161-200
Lib    24      16        14         13        19
Con    16      24        26         27        21
Of the twenty-four liberal blogs in the top quintile, Dailykos, TPM Café, Smirking Chimp, Metafilter, BooMan Tribune, MyDD, and Dembloggers are full-fledged community sites where members cannot only comment, but they can also post diaries / articles / polls. By comparison, there are no community sites among the top twenty-four conservative blogs. None, zip, zero, nada. This is particularly stunning when one considers the importance of the Free Republic community to the conservative netroots. While it would appear that there are hordes of Glenn Reynolds wannabe's among conservatives in the netroots, Redstate.org sticks out as the only success story for a community oriented blog within the conservative blogosphere. In fact, of the five most trafficked conservative blogs (over 200,000 page views per week), only one, Little Green Footballs, even allows comments, much less the ability to actually write a diary or a new article.

The nine liberal community sites I listed in the paragraph above have accounted for the bulk of the exceptional growth of the liberal blogosphere over the past two years. In the summer of 2003, Dailykos was roughly equal in traffic to Atrios, and had less than half the traffic of Instapundit. However, starting with a large growth spurt following the introduction of Scoop in October of 2003, now Dailykos has grown to three times the size of Instapundit and four times the size of Atrios. Over the past year, Scoop sites Dembloggers, MyDD, and BooMan Tribune have risen from miniscule traffic numbers to top forty, even top twenty, blogs. Over the past two weeks, the traffic at Talking Points Memo and TPM Café has risen to a combined 1.3 million, making it easily the second most trafficked political blog (comfortably passing Instapundit). In fact, the introduction of the community oriented TPM Café has more than doubled the traffic at TPM of late. Overall, while both the right-wing and left-wing blogosphere have seen growth in traffic, the truly exceptional growth of many community sites on the liberal end of the blogosphere has made the difference that catapulted the liberal blogosphere from half the size of the right-wing blogosphere in July 2003 to more than 60% its size in June 2005.

Anyone who spends a significant amount of time on Scoop blogs should not have any difficulty figuring out why this is the case. Because of Scoop's diary feature, it is possible to become at least a semi-famous blogger without having a blog of your own. An entire generation of popular liberal bloggers grew out of the Dailykos diaries and comments: Billmon, Steve Soto, Steve Gillard, Melanie, DemfromCT, DhinMI, Theoria, Tom Schaller, Meteor Blades, DavidNYC, myself, SusanHu, Jerome a Paris, lapin, Maryscott O'Conner, NYCO, Mariascat, and many, many more. I believe that the wave of new talent and fresh voices that the comments and dairy options bring to a blog has been the key factor in the liberal blogosphere outpacing the growth of the right wing blogosphere. Every day brings more reasons to read the highly trafficked liberal blogs. Every two weeks or so brings a new liberal blog from someone who has already become famous as a diarist. Community moderated blogging platforms such as Scoop have provided us with an excellent means of finding new voices, and these are the voices that are generating the accelerated growth in the liberal and progressive blogosphere when compared to the right-wing blogosphere.

By comparison, right-wing blogs have pretty much only one means of finding a new voice in the blogosphere: when someone starts a new blog. The inability to operate within a community must be the primary reason behind the large number of conservative blogs in the second, third and fourth quintiles of the Blogads traffic rankings. In fact, of these 120 blogs, 77 of them are openly conservative / libertarian. There are swarms of new conservative voices looking to breakout in the right-wing blogosphere, but they are not even allowed to comment, much less post a diary and gain a following, on the high traffic conservative blogs. Instead, without any fanfare, they are forced to start their own blogs. However, because of the top-down nature of right-wing blogs, new conservative blogs remain almost entirely dependent upon the untouchable high traffic blogs for visitors. In short, the anti-community nature of right-wing blogs has resulted in a stagnant aristocracy within the conservative blogosphere that prevents the emergence of new voices and, as a result, new reasons for people to visit conservative blogs.

Unless right-wing blogs decide to open up and allow their readers to have a greater voice, I expect that the liberal and progressive blogosphere will continue its unborken twenty-month rise in relative traffic. Conservative bloggers continue to act as though they are simply a supplement to the existing pundit class, without any need to converse with those operating outside of a small social bubble or any need to engage people within the new structure of the public sphere. In the formulation of Stirling Newberry, they view themselves existing on top of a pyramid rather than in the middle of a sphere. At least when it comes to the national blogosphere, liberals are leaving conservatives in the dust. By comparison, conservatives seem all too happy to continue to cogitate from atop their lofty and increasingly irrelevant perch. That's fine by me. I hope some things never change.


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Is there any chance? (3.00 / 1)

Could the same phenomenon eventually occur in the M$M? There are repeated reports of falling ratings for every single M$M venue; talk radio, newspapers, cable and network. It seems like Americans are tuning out the conventional news sources in droves and increasingly seeking other news sources, which probably tend to be more liberal.

Several hosts on Air America have commented that radio networks are adding progressive talk shows at at a frenetic pace. Randi Rhodes was discussing her appearance in front of a Congressional committee and the network discussion about how to stop their ratings decline. Randi commented that the obvious solution of "report the news" was never considered. Instead, one network was turning to its Entertainment division for help.

Faux News and MSNBC are increasingly preoccupied with runaway white girls and soap opera crime stories that have no relevance to anybody's life.

The subscription rate to The Nation has increased dramatically. A number of right wing political mags are apparently supported by fat cat contributions instead of reader subscriptions.

Is it possible that alternative progressive voices will break through to mainstream American culture?

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 05:22:01 PM EST

Re: Is there any chance? (3.00 / 2)

It seems to me that Gore's new TV network, Current, seems to be modelled off a community-blog type format.  Anyone can send in little 5-minute video segments/documentaries/whatever and the community decides which to air.  I have no idea whether it can/will be successful, but it will certainly be interesting to follow.
Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 06:39:03 PM EST
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Community and education (3.00 / 2)

Left wing blogs serve not only to get message out, but serve as a place for people like me to learn a great deal. Right wing blogs seem to be more message and PR. If you watch FOX you don't need to read their blogs.

Plus, communities fight. Look at what's going on at dKos right now. This is a healthy exercise and shows the community values the whole of its parts. Right wing blogs are not into dissention, but lock step message discipline. This discourages participation.

Finally, left wing blogs deal in reality and dialog. Sure we push a message, but that message is often self directed. Only recently have congressional members started to interact with us. The right cannot dialog. If their members started to research any of their positions, where would they look? The SCLM? They have no sources other than Rush, Hannity, and Fox. They can't allow their members to think for themselves. Then they might look behind the curtain and realize when Dean says they are mostly white, that 98.8% of their state level Republicans are actually white. Dean might then be right and they can have things like that!

The bloggers you mentioned on the left are excellent and just the beginning. I found MyDD through NYCO and her posts on dKos. I have a small readership in my blog of many people who don't follow the blogs, but do want the news. I'm a middle man for them. And there's plenty more people like me. It's the foundation for the VLWC, and how we will eventually reclaim our country.

Great post Chris. Thanks for doing all this great work!

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 05:24:20 PM EST

Re: Community and education (none / 0)

Learning a great deal is what keeps me coming back. Part of the educational experience is feedback. I've learned more not only about politics, but what I believe about politics in the last six months than I have my entire life. It's the back and forth that clarifies my thoughts and beliefs about the world and how it works and how it ought to work.

The scoop format here and at dkos has been invaluable for me as an educational and learning tool. Speaking of dkos, is there something going on besides the Pie Fight diaries? I just drop in for a look-see any more. I agree that the constant turmoil at dkos creates a healthy turn over and spin off effect that has generated much of the left blogosphere explosion.

The occasional blogswarms are another healthy development that leads to cross-pollination of ideas.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 05:44:48 PM EST
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Re: Community and education (none / 0)

The pie fights have created a dialog and self reflection about the amount of listening that goes on between members. As dKos has grown so much, it seems to me to have fallen into a mode of everyone shouting for attention or for their pet issue. Armando, in his usual way, took some heat. But through it he has seemed to have realized how the community needed to grow and has taken the first step.

I like dKos for reasons different than MyDD. dKos is so large I see it as more of a news source now, than a community. Sort of a community driven news source if you will. What I like about this blog is that it feels small enough that I recognize the other people most of the time. Pluse Chris seems to alway hit upon topics I'm thinking of and has my love of stats with better analysis skills.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 06:02:14 PM EST
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Its an old cliche...but its true... (3.00 / 1)

That the Internet routes traffic around censorship..

The GOP, in its attempts to stifle dissent, is creating an echo chamber devoid of new ideas that is by definition, boring and lacking opportunities for growth..

That makes sense, as its goal is the preservation of the status quo, which to them means stifling everything new (and thereby threatening)

Thats the way all totalitarian regimes operate.. Anything besides the State must be destroyed.. people isolated one from another..

especially the commons.. See whats happening with the broadcasting ndustry and the media..

They are being Borg-ified..

Thats why people are fleeing...its calcified stifling of thought is OPPRESSIVE...

by ultraworld on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 10:02:47 PM EST
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This Doesn't Get Said Enough (3.00 / 1)

Chris, I love you.  Your dedication to research beyond reading the latest new york times opinion column is why MyDD is my favorite blog.
Bleeding Heartland - Iowa's Progressive Community-oriented blog
by ItsDrewMiller on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 05:25:38 PM EST

Re: This Doesn't Get Said Enough (none / 0)

I agree with you 100%. You should really focus on writing stuff like this. And more community bloggers should do this kind of stuff too.

The presidential elections tear us apart. The movement brings us together.

This is basically why the 2010's are going to be like the 1980's. Except the 10's will be for progressives what the 80's where for conservatives.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Mon May 21, 2007 at 04:57:39 PM EST
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Great Post!!! (none / 0)

I completely agree 100% with this.  MyDD and Daily Kos are the most interesting sites that I go to, because they are written by anybody and it is pretty easy to write a diary and become known in the blogosphere.  I have had a few diaries elevated to the main page, and I didn't have to spend a dime.
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 05:54:34 PM EST

Question for veteran bloggers (3.00 / 1)

I am curious, being a recent addition to the dem/liberal blogosphere... Did a specific event cause progressive bloggers to become associated with the Democratic party?

Before Dean's opposition in the primaries, it seemed as if most Dems were hardly concerned with what the progressive electorate was thinking. I remember nearly all self-identifying Liberals (that I personally knew) voting for Nader in 2000.

Did Dean's desire to reform the party strike a chord with bloggers? Without that, would we be using words like "Liberal/independent vs Conservative/republican"?

by BridgeTheGap on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 06:00:33 PM EST

Re: Question for veteran bloggers (3.00 / 2)

I am a liberla and I am a progressive.. I voted for Gore.. I supported and worked for Clark and then the same for Kerry.

  Nader does not do it for all liberals and progressives.

Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 07:17:28 PM EST
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Re: Question for veteran bloggers (none / 0)

I have been a lifelong Democrat.  My parents were lifelong Democrats.  I think most, if not all, progressives have long associations with the D party.

Two things come to mind.

One, Gore's loss in 2000 may have soured some as to the viability and wisdom of third party campaigns in our political system.

Two, this realization has made many understand that if we are to have a real voice in American politics and policy we need to do it in the framework of the Democratic party and what we have to do is effect change within the party to get our voices heard. Howard Dean both clarified that understanding and provided a rallying point.

God bless him. And I mean that literally.

by mjshep on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 10:35:11 PM EST
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Re: Question for veteran bloggers (none / 0)

not every poster/blogger is or was a Dean supporter. While few were Kerry's natural constituency, most rallied behind him given the alternative. Gephardt and Edwards had their supporters. But there were a healthy number of Clark supporters (Armando at dKos, e.g.) and enough non-Dean support to make the primary season quite interesting... and somewhat flammable.

Dean brought in some of the 'alienateds' who otherwise would not have voted D or voted at all. But in the end, George W Bush has been the most powerful recruiting tool, and a great unifier... of the Democrats, progressives and liberals.

by DemFromCT on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:02:22 AM EST
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Think you know an odd bunch (none / 0)

of "liberals." All of the "liberals" (although I much prefer the term "leftist" to liberal or progressive) I knew back in 2000 voted for Gore, not because he was necessarily at that time a very "liberal" candidate but because we knew that a Bush presidency would be anything but "compassionate" conservatism.

I can imagine a time when a third-party protest vote might be an effective strategy, but such a time will come only when Republicans are solidly and safely in the minority.

by Matt in NYC on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 03:33:16 PM EST
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Allowing stories to percolate (none / 0)

Fascinating analysis: I like the way that progressive bloggers are building a community.

Perhaps it's why bloggers such as Steve Clemons at The Washington Note have become so influential. If TWN hadn't done so much hard, independent reporting, John Bolton might already be confirmed as UN Ambassador.

I'm hoping that we are having an effect on stories such as the Downing Street Memo, which is getting more mainstream attention than it was three weeks ago.

Some see bloggers as speeding up the flow of information. I think the opposite may be true: Progressive bloggers ar making it possible for stories to percolate through the public discourse and build interest separate from the 24 hour news cycle.

If the right wing bloggers are simply repeating the message of the day, then we are making better use of the medium by creating opportunities for independent voices to be heard.

by tommywonk on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 08:19:08 PM EST

Running Up The Score (3.00 / 4)

It's great to be ahead, but while we're at it, why not run up the score?  There are ways to make us even more user/participant friendly. One of those is to flatten out the recommended diary and current diary structure.  

This is less directed at MyDD than DKos, where the problem is extreme. People can work very hard on putting together a valuable diary, only to have it swept away by a flood of relative trivia before anyone has a chance to read, much less recomment it.  

This could be remedied considerably if there were a system of multiple categories--not just by subject but also by type--such as "breaking news" for a lot of the stuff that tends to avalanche, through ordinary "news" and "opnion" all the way to "analysis," stuff such as Chris does all the time, which tends to get buried unless you've already got a rep.

I have no doubt we will continue to lead the conservatives. But that's no reason to get fat, happy and dumb. It's reason to evaluate what we're doing right, and figure out how to do it even better.

by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 09:14:25 PM EST

naive question (none / 0)

do the community blogs perhaps get more traffic because it takes more page "views" to participate than to just read?  (eg: read = 1 view, participate = 4 read, reply, preview, post). or are stats measured differently?

ps - great article

mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama
by colorless green ideas on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 02:48:14 AM EST

Another Reason for Right Wing Blog Decline (none / 0)

The Right Wing churned out their talking points on blogs relentlessly for the past few years.  With the failed war, lies, declining economy, overexposure of the religious right zealots, they have no new arguments to put up.  Their stuff just rings hollow.  No one is buying it and it would take a revolution within their party, removing the crazies, before the blogs could recover.  They had their zenith and now it's a long road down.
by steve expat on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 03:31:22 AM EST

Re: Another Reason for Right Wing Blog Decline (none / 0)

EXACTLY.
by Marblex on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 12:15:47 PM EST
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thanks, Chris, for keeping track (none / 0)

of course, not all blogs take Blogads. Our small spin-off, The Next Hurrah, does not, but would not alter your numbers any. Many of the smaller blogs are labors of love/hobbies/etc not bent on building communities as much as communication.

In our case, between MyDD and Daily Kos and BooTrib, there seems no need to create YA community, since we never really left the larger ones. Had there been no larger ones, we'd on the one hand take a different approach, and on the other, prolly not exist.

The other aspect of the metaview I find fascinating is the rise of the specialty blogs... Juan Cole (historian), Mystery Pollster (polling), Brad DeLong (economics), Effect Measure (public health) and even TPM (the original - journalism) and Washington Note (foreign affairs) in which the primary specialty of the author has contributed enormously to the progressive dialogue. Have you kept track or looked at that piece of the internets?

by DemFromCT on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:11:22 AM EST

Another Point (none / 0)

The one prominent right-wing blog with anything like a community is, of course, Little Green Footballs.  But the same GOP/Media Axis types that fawn over (the commentless) PowerLine blog are avoiding LGF like the plague.

Why?  I suspect that the fans of LGF give the game away.  Even someone as racist and fascistic as Charles Johnson tries to speak in RNC-approved "code" terms that aren't immediately identifiable as racist and fascistic.  (The old "dog whistle politics", if you will.)  But his regulars, especially "Iron Fist", undermine those efforts and reveal the GOP base in all its unlovely glory.

by Phoenix Woman on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 10:37:55 AM EST

I am skeptical of your conclusion (none / 0)

...because I don't know how many of the pageviews are unique. I for one, visit Kos, MyDD etc. 2-3 times a day most days because of the prolific-ness of posts. Am I counted each time? Should I be?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want more information.

by MNPundit on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 01:12:49 PM EST

Re: I am skeptical of your conclusion (none / 0)

One could say the same for the right-wing blogs as far as page views goes.  In any event, many if not most blog websites have the ability to 'know' which computers (or at least browser users) visit them (since the better online polls can track the downloaded browser installs) -- which is why blog trackers are important.

One could also argue that multiple site visits in a day indicates a strongly loyal, active, and INTERactive readership.  The sort advertisers love.

by Phoenix Woman on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 02:24:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jinx, you owe me a coke. n/t (none / 0)


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 03:10:05 PM EST
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Re: I am skeptical of your conclusion (none / 0)

It's an apples to apples comparison.

Page views on the fright wing sites compared to the left wing. Whether it's one person coming back multiple times for new reads/comments, or more people coming back, it's a reasonable measure of connection to community.

Particularly in its relative con/lib terms.

Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 03:09:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Also (none / 0)

Using the blogad stats is a good call, because while the raw numbers don't necessarily tell you that much, they all come from the same neutral third party, so they're likely to be more or less valid for comparisons between sites.
by rusty on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:50:37 PM EST
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Turning tide (none / 0)

The liberals have been out in the cold for so long that interactive blogs have become one of the only places they can express their opinions.

I think this accounts for the shift in traffic. There is a turning tide of disgust with the political status quo and blogs and liberal talk radio are the only venues which allow participation.

Whether this will translate into changes at the electoral level remains to be seen.

---Policies not Politics
Daily Quiet Image
by rdf on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 01:52:40 PM EST

Thanks so much (3.00 / 2)

for highlighting Marisacat's and Theoria's work over at Liberal Street Fight.
by Madman in the Marketplace on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 02:02:32 PM EST

What's interesting... (none / 0)

... is that the libertarian blogs aren't picking up on the community-blog model.

I guess they must think that top-down fascism = "rugged individualism".

by Phoenix Woman on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 02:32:07 PM EST

Hi Chris... from Marisacat (3.00 / 2)

Thanks so much for including me...I post at Liberal Street Fighter along with Theoria, Wilfred, Fast Pete, Madman in the Marketplace, TustonDAZ, Shirah and others....;)

Excellent article.  As were all your works that I faithfully read in the primary season...

-Marisacat

by Marisacat on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 02:55:43 PM EST

Is there a content issue with GOP Blogs? (none / 0)

I don't like to generalize.  As I liberal, I don't go out of my way to check the right wings blogs.  But since I have a newer blog, I am using blog explosion to try to get more exposure for my Blog, CoolAqua.  Anyway, in my travels on blog explosion, I come across many left and right wing blogs.  One thing I'm starting to note however is there seems to be a content differential between liberal and right wing blogs.  Many right wing blog posts and comments seem to be mainly hate filled rhetoric with little if any content, whereas it appears to me that liberal blogs tend to have a little more content, and connection to reality.  

At best, the most common posts on right wing blogs seem to be some form of repeating talking points.  This is somewhat of dangerous approach for right wingers, as many of the common talking points, or views or right wing pundits, just aren't truthful.  Whats the point of repeating something that fox or O'Reilly said if it isn't even true?  I think blog readers are becoming more critical in what they read, and are looking for some real content, not just rants.  

An example I saw today was a right wing blogger who lamented that Colorado was raising university tuition for residents by a higher percentage than for out of state students.  This peice of information seems like a good basis for a post. But this "factoid" was used only as a place holder so the blogger could go on a one page rant about liberal professors up on their soap boxes, etc.  But there was no factual information provided at all about these liberal professors were, what they said, or why it was a problem.  Instead there was just endless ranting and raving.  While this quality of content may be of interest to adolescent youths, it has little if any value from an information content standpoint.  This same type phenomenon (name calling, abusive rhetoric, and little facts) effectively killed off intelligent conservation on many Yahoo message boards.  

by CoolAqua on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 03:04:52 PM EST

Old-school blog: k5 (none / 0)

Before "blog" became a household word, there was a Scoop site which was a Blog by every definition of the word. During the Clinton years, Kuro5hin.org had a reader base that predominantly called itself "libertarian", although they were clearly just personal-freedom-concerned Liberals.

Is anybody here familiar with Kuro5hin or its older reader base? K5 isn't what it used to be, but what happened to the original community? Are some of you here? Did some move to Conservative-leaning blogs?

by BridgeTheGap on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 05:06:26 PM EST

Re: Old-school blog: k5 (none / 0)

Kiro5hin is still there.

In fact Kiro5hin is the site Scoop was originally written for.

Rusty is still involved in Scoop development.

As for the state of the community there, I have no idea since I'm not really a regular. I was always more of a Slashdot user.

While Kiro5hin is more overtly political than Slashdot I think of it as more of a technology site than a political blog like MyDD or Kos.

Speaking of which Slashdot has a fairly large community surrounding the Journals there (slash version of diaries) and in some ways offers better journal management tools than Scoop does. (OTOH slash doesn't really frontpage the journals like Scoop does)

by ces on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:38:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes (none / 0)

I'm still here, and K5 is very much still here. :-)

K5's traffic actually declined a lot between 2002 and 2004 (it has since leveled out at around 2.5 million pages a month for the last year, which seems to be pretty stable), and while the site had its own problems in that time, I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons is that the blog concept finally got traction outside of nerds and web designers. A lot of people who used to read slashdot came to K5 because we had articles about a lot of stuff other than technology, and I think a lot of people who came to K5 for that have gone on to other blogs that specialize in their interests more.

And I'm really more pleased than I ought to be that someone did remember K5, especially in the context of this post. It's really an amazing thing to see Chris point out seven top quintile community sites and have five of them be Scoop sites. To see my little project grow, with the help of many others, into something that actually can bring people together and do some good. Well, it's quite a thing.

by rusty on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:57:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

love Scoop (none / 0)

I am going to be transitioning over my blog to scoop here in the next couple of months.
by westsyde on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 05:13:29 AM EST
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Awww, duuuuude (none / 0)

If I'm so fucking famous, how come my name gets misspelled?

: )

If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution
by Maryscott OConnor on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 05:06:58 PM EST

Quick Note (none / 0)

Wonderful article, Chris.

I wonder if there are fewer Liberal blogs, because Liberal Blogs tend to more offer features than Conservative blogs do.  Features like diaries and discussion groups are simply harder to set up. They take time and thought.

While some Conservative blogs also have discussion groups, they just aren't as many. therefore, it's a lot easier for a Conservative to set up a "blog" when it is just an html home page with lots of links on it.

Also, you didn't say it in so many words, but site visitors return much more frequently to interactive web sites than they do to static web sites. Liberal sites are much more interactive than Conservative sites are.  Over a short time, Liberal blogs are going to collect more second visits, and those visitors are likely to have a better time and to incidentally discover each other, on sites that are interactive. I am not surprised that you see traffic patterns that reflect these repeated visits to Liberal sites.

Then there's wonderful Conservative mindsets, like Sean Hannity's.  Hannity has just started charging six bucks for people to post to his blog -- something a real "liberal" blog would be very unlikely to do.  Reeel smart, Sean.  

sc

 

by scribble on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:04:42 PM EST

Interesting Observations (none / 0)

I read the above, thought about it, and went ahead and blogged on it ... my blog's conservative, but I think Chris' research is interesting, and worth taking a look at.

About the hypotheses about his conclusions ... well, maybe. On the other hand, it might be that right wingers like to have their own niche, instead of posting on somebody else's site ... or that right wingers are too cheap to click on webAds ... or there's more left wingers on the web ..

Anyway, thanks for an interesting article and discussion.

by FrauBudgie on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:10:00 AM EST

Thanks, Chris (none / 0)

Thanks for the analysis.  I've wondered about this because I've got conservative aquaintences who trumpet the success of Powerline and Instapundit.  Their claims never matched my experience in the Blogosphere.

But I have to complain about one statement:

...the truly exceptional growth of many community sites on the liberal end of the blogosphere has made the difference that catapulted the liberal blogosphere from half the size of the right-wing blogosphere in July 2003 to more than 60% its size in June 2005.

Going from 50% to 60% of the right-wing blogosphere isn't much to brag about.  I think you mean "more than 160% its size in June 2005."

by idahogie on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:26:07 AM EST

Democrat community (none / 0)

While perhaps the liberal blogs are more community oriented than the right wing ones, it seems to me that the emails coming from liberal orgs and politicians are totally one-sided. All they ever seem to want from me is money, and I have never seen an invitation to express a view or contribute an idea. It's a total turnoff.
by keithofrpi on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:54:36 AM EST

It starts with the blogs (none / 0)

The existing structures of power are always slow to change. But believe me, the people who understand why these community blogs are successful agree with you 100%, and change will come.
by rusty on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:00:08 PM EST
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I want it raw! (none / 0)

Where's the raw (or only partially cooked) data, Chris? I wanna know which blogs are in which quintile for each side, and what shape the distribution of visitors/pageviews takes.

I have been frustrated looking for the "Comment" button on many conservative blogs; it's nice to see that it's not just me, the button isn't there. I'm mostly amused by the discussion at PolPundit, but it does make me wonder if there's any way to quantify rudeness or derive some sort of objective "incivility function" for different fora, because to me, too, most right-wing comment threads seem to get rude faster than left-wing ones do.

by DoctorScience on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:15:37 PM EST

livejournal data for comparison (none / 0)

On livejournal, here are the numbers of communities/individuals listing the following terms as interests:

liberal: 385/463
liberals: 284/473
progressive: 190/422
Democrat: 232/461
Democrats: 426/476

conservative: 271/437
conservatives: 219/436
Republican: 257/453
Republicans: 416/452

libertarian: 96/444
libertarians: 125/447

From this preliminary (=I did it just now) data, we see that the ratio of community LJs to individual LJ is approximately the same for Democratic & Republican interests. On LJ, a format that is better suited than blogs to social networking (and which, IMHO not coincidentally, has more females than males), there is no clear left- or right-wing difference in community-formation. A hard-working grad-student-type person might look at the popularity (number of members/"friends") of different LJs and see if there's a clear left/right difference in which are popular. So far, LJ looks very different from the blogosphere Chris is studying.

What is striking though not surprising is how distinctive liberatarians are on this axis. They don't believe in society, and it shows.

Keep that research coming!

by DoctorScience on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:47:20 PM EST

researching banning (none / 0)

Is it possible to find out how many posters were banned when from different sites? I had assumed not, but maybe that info is actually around somewhere.
by DoctorScience on Wed Jun 15, 2005 at 02:56:19 PM EST

Re: researching banning (none / 0)

Having been banned from FreeRepublic, PoliPundit and RogerLSimon, I would also love to know these stats.

by piniella on Sun Jun 19, 2005 at 03:52:46 AM EST
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The Libertarian Community (none / 0)

has had interactive threaded lists, e.g. lpus-misc@dehnbase.org
for most of a decade, certainly going back through the 1996 election.  (This relates to the LP being the first political party to have a web cite whencefrom its _two-letter_mcode http://lp.org .)
The threaded list technology, as seen on e.g. yahoogroups.com , is quite good for many purposes, and is a lot less work to maintain.  

The net result is that for libertarians the newer KOS/Scoop technology had to overcome the older technology, rather than being able to enter something of a vacuum, and this has been a bit slower to happen.  Indeed, the very successful Liberty for All! site http://www.libertyforall.net has extensive locations for reader comments on articles, but they go largely unused.

I might or might not be interested in starting a Libertarian blog, and the KOS/MYDD framework or some variation on the theme is very attractive.   (I would add rating of mainline columnists).  There is a limited blog recently opened at lp.org.  However, I am not a software expert--not on this type of software -- and would need a canned package it make it work.

Finally, conflating conservatives with libertarians is about as accurate as conflating libertarians (against the war on Iraq, against the war on drugs, 100% prochoice, supportive of gay marriage) with Democrats.  Sawing us off and sending us in our own direction makes the Conservative blogs look even weaker.

by phillies on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 02:23:07 PM EST

Re: Aristocratic Right Wing Blogosphere Stagnating (none / 0)

Well my friend.., with this singular excerpt from your comment you have nailed the obvious:

'...there are no community sites among the top twenty-four conservative blogs. None, zip, zero, nada. This is particularly stunning when one considers the importance of the Free Republic community to the conservative netroots."

I'm a veteran of freerepublic.com and the 'old' townhall.com. Both had what I describe as the 'public interractive' feature built in. FreeRepublic being in that forefront of an open conservative oriented site where the professional political pundits of the day were NOT the focus of the site. My next venture marked, for me, an obvious transition of a non too subtle nature that was taking place. After leaving and going to townhall.com it was readily noted that townhall relied on the so-called "professional" elite for the backbone of commentary; however, they had a Soapbox forum directed at the common folk. When this poorly managed site changed hands it became all too obvious that we were observing the extinction of the public-participation forum on the 'net. As sites grow and "hits" increase the cost to operate and maintain becomes a significant factor and advertising and commercial influence rears it's corrupting head as the almighty $ establishes policy. There would appear to be no easy resolution. Pledge drives, which I've always supported on those sites wherein I participated, never seem to fulfill the needs. We need to open debate and commentary on this MAJOR problem in participatory democracy and come up with some solution. For once innocense is lost it is never really regained.

Just thinking out loud.


"Silence is the curse that maketh of the decent man...a fool."(doctorhugo) ALL AHEAD FLANK! DAMN THE TORPEDOES...
by doctorhugo on Mon Jan 01, 2007 at 11:58:19 AM EST

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