Reid Statement and The Deal

Just received this email:
There is good news for every American in this agreement. The so-called ³nuclear option² is off the table. This is a significant victory for our country, for democracy, and for all Americans. Checks and balances in our government have been preserved.

The integrity of future Supreme Courts has been protected from the undue influences of a vocal, radical faction of the right that is completely out of step with mainstream America. That was the intent of the Republican ³nuclear option² from the beginning. Tonight, the Senate has worked its will on behalf of reason, responsibility and the greater good.

We have sent President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the radical arm of the Republican base an undeniable message: Abuse of power will not be tolerated, and attempts to trample the Constitution and grab absolute control are over. We are a separate and equal branch of government. That is our founding fathers¹ vision, and one we hold dear.

I offered Senator Frist several options similar to this compromise, and while he was not able to agree, I am pleased that some responsible Republicans and my colleagues were able to put aside there differences and work from the center. I do not support several of the judges that have been agreed to because their views and records display judicial activism that jeopardize individual rights and freedoms. But other troublesome nominees have been turned down. And, most importantly, the U.S. Senate retains the checks and balances to ensure all voices are heard in our democracy and the Supreme Court make-up cannot be decided by a simple majority.

I am grateful to my colleagues who brokered this deal. Now, we can move beyond this time-consuming process that has deteriorated the comity of this great institution. I am hopeful that we can quickly turn to work on the people¹s business. We need to ensure our troops have the resources they need to fight in Iraq and that Americans are free from terrorism. We need to protect retiree¹s pensions and long-term security. We need to expand health care opportunities for all families. We need to address rising gasoline prices and energy independence. And we need to restore fiscal responsibility and rebuild our economy so that it lifts all American workers. That is our reform agenda, the people¹s reform agenda.

Together, we can get the job done.

Discuss. (My first reaction is that this is a defeat, since we would only accept a deal unless we didn't have the votes. Then again, the filibuster is saved and Frist might be finished, so it is also a victory).

The deal itself is in the extended entry.

Memorandum of Understanding On Judicial Nominees

We respect the diligent, conscientious efforts, to date, rendered to the Senate by Majority Leader Frist and Democratic Leader Reid. This memorandum confirms an understanding among the signatories, based upon mutual trust and confidence, related to pending and future judicial nominations in the 109th Congress.

This memorandum is in two parts. Part I relates to the current pending judicial nominees; Part II relates to subsequent individual nominations to be made by the President and to be actd upon by the Senate’s Judiciary Committee.

We have agreed to the following:

Part I: Commitments of Pending Judicial Nominations

  • A. Votes for Certain Nominees. We will invoke cloture on the following nominees: Justice Janice Brown (DC Circuit), William Pryor (11th circuit), and Priscilla Owen (5th Circuit).

  • B. Status of Other Nominees:Signatories make no commitment to vote for or against cloture on the following nominees: William Myers (9th Circuit) and Henry Saad (6th Circuit).
Part II: Commitments for Future Nominations
  • A. Future Nominations. Signatories will exercise their responsibilities under the Advise and Consent Clause of the United Stated Constitution in good faith. Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.

  • B. Rules Changes. In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement, we commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress, which we understand to be any amendment to or interpretation of Rules of the Senate that would force a vote on judicial nomination by means other than unanimous consent or Rule XXII.
We believe that, under Article II, Section 2, of the United States Constitution, the word “Advice” speaks to consultation between the Senate and the President with regard to the use of the President’s power to make nominations. We encourage the Executive branch of government to consult with members of the Senate, both Democratic and Republican, prior to submitting a judicial nomination to the Senate for consideration.

Such a return to the early practices of our government may well serve to reduce the rancor that unfortunately accompanies the advice and consent process in the Senate.

We firmly believe that this agreement is consistent with the traditions of the United Stae Senate that we as Senators seek to uphold.

Benjamin Nelson, John McCain, Mike Dewine, John Warner, Joseph Lieberman, Robert Byrd, Susan Collins, Mary Landrieu, Mark Pryor, Olympia Snowe, Linsday Graham, Ken Salazar, Lincoln Chafee, Kent Conrad


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Disappointing, but not a defeat (3.00 / 1)

I believe that Senate Democrats gave ground on this in order to win a larger battle ... against the White House and Senator Bill Frist.  Senator Lindsey Graham (Republican-South Carolina) said, "... the White House is going to listen to us [in the future] ..."   That's really what this was about ... Senators from both parties realized that Frist's "nuclear option," overturning 200 years of tradition and process in our Congress, was way out of line.  

I believe that what those Senators agreed to in private was that the US Congress doesn't exist to rubber-stamp the policies and decisions of any Presidential Administration, but particularly this one, which has proven so detrimental to our nation's global stature and credibility.  The radical "wingers" who want nothing less than absolute power and who have no regard at all for the will of the people, are losing their influence.

Senator Frist:  YOU LOSE.

Tom DeLay: you're next.

by Charles in AL on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:34:27 PM EST

The GOP will ALIENATE AMERICA (none / 0)

I think that the GOP is giveing a lot of formerly politically naiive Americans a very lasting memory of how little they represent most of us..

You can fool people for a while, but I think that after this bankruptcy bill, especially, people are beginning to wise up to their war on the middle class and the poor..

They will be very unhappy, but even they wont be able to deny how much they will deserve defeat...

by ultraworld on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:48:47 PM EST
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This deal sucks (none / 0)

From CNN:

Under the deal, judicial nominees would only be filibustered "under extraordinary circumstances," McCain said.

McCain said the group of 14 pledged to vote for cloture -- an end to debate -- for three judicial nominees: Janice Rogers Brown, William Pryor and Priscilla Owen.

He said the group made no commitment to vote for or against cloture on two nominees, William Myers and Henry Saad.

"We will try to do everything in our power to prevent filibusters in the future," McCain said.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:38:53 PM EST

Not awful... (3.00 / 1)

I agree. It's disappointing, but it's not a defeat.

I'm also wondering, especially from Senator Graham's words if some of the nominees won't be defeated anyway - it sounds like several of the senators are not happy with those judges.

I think, in the end, that while this is not the perfect outcome, it's nowhere near as horrible as people are painting it (and we're a lot less upset than then freepers).

by patchmonkey on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:39:26 PM EST

they get 3, filibuster stands (none / 0)

Supreme can be blocked...Frist looks like an idiot.

a loss?

by aiko on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:43:28 PM EST

But, also... (none / 0)

the Republicans would only offer a deal if they didn't have the votes, either.  It's compromise, and that's good.  And it's what we were going to do anyway; it wasn't going to be every nomination.

Though it would have been nice to see a "yes or no vote" on this, and to see Frist's agenda go up in smoke.

by thejill on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:44:35 PM EST

Mark Schmitt's analysis (3.00 / 2)

From a comment I posted from The Decembrist:

But if "extraordinary circumstances" is coupled in a deal with an agreement to let either Priscilla Owen or Janice Rogers Brown's nominations go through, then it is totally unacceptable. That's because in that combination, Brown or Owen would come to define the line of "extraordinary circumstances." That is, assume Brown goes through -- after that, anyone with views less extreme than Brown would implicitly be considered not extraordinary. Bush could name Brown herself to the Court and Democrats would be paralyzed.

And the problem with that is simply that there are no possible nominees to the Supreme Court whose views are more radical than Justice Brown. (I'm open to correction on that, but from what I know of folks like Michael Luttig, Michael McConnell, John Roberts, Edith Jones, and others, none adopt quite as aggressively an activist libertarian position as Brown.)

So I would be happy to see a deal bring this confrontation to a close, but it cannot be a deal that gives Bush a free pass to name anyone he wants to the Court.

This is a defeat for Frist, but a win for Bush. The bonehead Demwits just gave Bush a free pass on any Supreme Court nominee this side of Judge Roy Moore.

Well . . . maybe Judge Roy Moore is more extreme than Janice Rogers Brown. That would be a close call. If the Demwits tried to filibuster Judge Roy Moore, McCain could call Bullshit and get back in the good graces of the wingnuts.

by Gary Boatwright on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:45:17 PM EST

Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

My initial reaction was similar to Schmitt's, but I now think that's wrong. Any Supreme Court nomination can be considered more extraordinary than any lower court nomination. Using a baseball analogy, Frist and Bush have won the right to stack the minor league courts but not the majors. Which one is more important?
by EvanstonDem on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:16:07 PM EST
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Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

Analysis Paralysis my friend.

The only way this one plays is if you absolutely,
positively do not play to the republican frame.

What happened was that they lost control
of the linguistic frame. Their nuclear option
was supposed to be so cool to so many
people but it turned them radioactive.

So basically, just forget this whole
extraordinary circumstance term because
its bullshit. The GOP essentially won -
the filibuster was only a threat to begin
with just like the nuke. The thing is, the GOP
is more worried that they've lost control
over the "catch phrases" than anything else
so if you want to hand it to them get all
tied up into a knot about PUMP and CIRCUMSTANCE.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:18:43 PM EST
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Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

I am telling you, Bush is a bipartisan kind of
guy - he's really not bad. But he played
no role in this.

Karl Rove was pushing all of these judges to
stand up and keep going - even when they
had other offers. 3 walked away of the last
10 but he called Priscilla Owen personally
and convinced her to turn down a seat
so that Texas Enron boys could
play in the District court.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:20:23 PM EST
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Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

exactly right--if those 3 are not extraordinary, no one is. We lost bigtime, and those 3 will do immeasurable harm for 30+ years. Most real laws are decided in Appeals court, not the Supreme Court.

This is in no way a compromise, and i'm betting the GOP start picking those 7 off one-by-one. Who neeeds their military bases saved? Who needs what? Which party is the only one in a position to give it to them?

by amberglow on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:35:05 PM EST
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Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

The only laws that are decided in Appeals court are the ones that have no chance of being overturned by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is many times the more important of the two.
by EvanstonDem on Mon May 23, 2005 at 11:01:07 PM EST
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Re: Mark Schmitt's analysis (none / 0)

Not when it comes to corporations (and see Owens' history). Those cases rarely go to the Supreme Court. I can't name one in the past year.
by amberglow on Tue May 24, 2005 at 08:15:56 AM EST
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Disappointed (none / 0)

This is one of the first times I have been truly disappointed with Harry Reid's leadership.

by sharris0512 on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:50:00 PM EST

Re: Disappointed (none / 0)

I can see your point of view but as I work
up this thread I am beginning to see its
probably a more productive option than
anything else, if the democrats don't
have coherence. Reid isn't voting
against Nevada interests here, you can
be happy if you're in Las Vegas right now...

In more ways than one. Keep the faith.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:16:32 PM EST
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listen up (3.00 / 1)

the right is going balistic.  they think 'extrodinary circumstances' is in the eye of the beholder.

everybody thinks they lost and their leadership failed and the moderates are idiots.  give me a break..

this is a win folks.  it could have been a lot worse.

by aiko on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:55:46 PM EST

Re: listen up (none / 0)

don't confuse their talking points memoranda
with them. The TP memos go out, now,
by email - to the talk show radio hosts
and they simply parrot them off.
This is to play to an advertising game that
hinges on the bet that the talk show listeners
will self identify to the group that the
host plays part of - the host is always
cool, and neat and strong and all.. you know
the game...  They screen everything in sight
so that they make a very entertaining show...

But they were just entertainers who couldn't
get it up when the time came and they're
stuck in siberia AM radio land, so don't
worry about it. Just tune into
DAFT PUNK

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:15:26 PM EST
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I have a feeling (none / 0)

this fight isnt over for good. As Gary B. pointed out the "extraordinary circumstances" language puts us in dangerous territory. Just food for thought, but with votes being allowed on upwards of 96% of nominees anyway, hasn't this congress by definition reserved filibuster for extraordinary circumstances?  I honestly believe the battle over judicial nominess generally, and even on the filibuster in particular is not over.  
by dre2k5 on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:56:24 PM EST

Dems need to praise (none / 0)

the Reeps who were willing to go against the party leadership, and let them know that if the Reeps and Freeps give them too much $#!+ over this, they can come play with our caucus anytime they want.

Yeah, Dems mostly caved on this, but it's the cracks in the Reep majority we should focus on. Reid has the right idea -- frame it as a victory for McCainy moderation over Fristulent extremism.

Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Mon May 23, 2005 at 08:57:13 PM EST

Re: Dems need to praise (3.00 / 1)

Exactly, it's that crack in their armor that we need to exploit ... always attacking where they are weakest.  Note, too, that the weak points may be their traditional strengths ... national security?  War on Terror?  Moral rectitude?  

It hasn't been that terribly long ago that the Republican Party was virtually unassailable in those areas.  

by Charles in AL on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:04:16 PM EST
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Re: Dems need to praise (none / 0)

McCain just didn't want the senate to turn
into the house, and I damn well agree with
him.

In that light, yes, it is a victory.
My posts are going up the line so
as I rise through and read your comments
I'm starting to see some benefit..

Discussion here is good. Thanks for making this
point. Sunlight starting to shine through..

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:13:18 PM EST
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Short term PR win for Harry Reid (none / 0)

It's going to be very difficult for Frist and Bush to save face. A lot depends on how they play it and how the religious freepers react, which will probably not be good.

Intermediate and long term, I don't see how the Dems can ever filibuster another nominee. By agreeing to Owens and Brown they have set the bar so low that Judge Roy Moore could probably step right over it. Try to imagine how difficult it will be to claim that any nominee is more unacceptable than Owens or Rogers. Good luck making that argument.

After a little reflection, Rove and Bush are going to be tickled pink. This may be a more favorable outcome than abolishing the filibuster. They get the judges they want and don't have to pay a high political price. Frist has always been expendable.

Time will tell, but Harry Reid and the Dems may have gotten snookered. This whole charade could have been a variation of Five Easy Pieces. By threatening the filibuster they got the Dems to agree not to filibuster judges that are to the right of both Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.

Yeah, you heard me right. Thomas and Scalia are now the moderate center of the new and improved Supreme Court if Bush gets two or more nominees.

by Gary Boatwright on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:01:22 PM EST

Re: Short term PR win for Harry Reid (none / 0)

yup. i agree completely. Bush putting those judges forward again after they were killed in committee was a big fuck you to the senate to begin with, and now they've won.
by amberglow on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:37:13 PM EST
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Filibuster Unlikely (none / 0)

If Owen, Rogers Brown & Pryor aren't going to be filibustered, it would be extremely difficult for Democratic Senators that signed the deal to filibuster any nominee who is conservative but otherwise qualified. That probably means that anyone who is rated Qualified by the American Bar Association won't be filibustered.

While some here may think that's a lot to give up, the Republicans had the votes, and public opinion would be unlikely to support multiple filibusters of judges rated qualified or better. This deal might save a Democratic Senate seat in Nebraska and a couple of other red states, so I don't think one can be too critical of puting filibusters of judicial nominees back in the extemely rare category they were in before Bush.

by SLinVA on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:07:21 PM EST

Re: Filibuster Unlikely (none / 0)

like the democrats don't have all kinds
of ties to the lawyers? carefully orchestrated
charade.

this thing needed to come out, like an abscess
tooth. instead it will rot and destroy
more teeth

and that means you either get a toothless tiger
or a special interest poacher sitting on a stack
of tiger pelts.. in washington while out
here in the real world, some lady that decided
Enron should get a few breaks when they
were running, is going to give a few more
companies some nice breaks..

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:11:47 PM EST
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It seems to me (none / 0)

that the Reep Senators who signed on to the compromise are going to have the most clout in determining who can and can't be filibustered. Presumably, if the Dems can convince enough of that faction that a particular nominee is unacceptable, that nomination will die.
Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:25:44 PM EST
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Re: It seems to me (none / 0)

That may be true, but I believe all the Republican signatories were on record as supporting the confirmation of all the contested nominees.  I don't think those Republicans will find the nomination of similar judges to be an "extraordinary circumstance" and without political cover from some of those Republicans, I don't see the Democratic signatories invoking the extraordinary circumnstances clause.

In any event, if Democrats had the support of those Senators in opposition to a nominee, they wouldn't need to filibuster.

by SLinVA on Mon May 23, 2005 at 10:03:07 PM EST
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Actually, I take that back . . . (none / 0)

On closer inspection, it appears that while the agreement says that "each signatory must use his or her own judgment" to decide whether or not a filibuster is warranted in each case, the promise not to support the nukular option is absolute.

That means that all the Reep signatories unambiguously "commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress" that would kill the judicial filibuster. That's pretty strong. Not legally binding, I don't think, but strong nonetheless.

Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Mon May 23, 2005 at 10:26:55 PM EST
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Re: Actually, I take that back . . . (none / 0)

Here is the language of their escape clause for this rule change issue:

In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement

Now maybe they would look a bit hypocritical (when did that ever bother them before?) saying that this whole nuclear option is a rule change equivalent today but not if extraordinary circumstances don't exist in the future, but it is an out of sorts.

by NG on Mon May 23, 2005 at 10:34:21 PM EST
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It's possible. (none / 0)

And it's possible that the Reep leadership could, uh, persuade any number of the signatories to back out of the agreement by morning. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I'm just assuming that the point of this is that these Senators all trust one another to stick to the spirit of the agreement, which probably includes a fair bit of behind-the-scenes negotiating over who will and won't be allowed in.

The fact that they threw in an appeal to Gee-Dub to consult with both parties before nominating future judges tells me that what they really want to do is move the haggling off the public stage and back to the smoke-filled room. Which I consider a big f@ck-you to the Reep leadership . . .

Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Mon May 23, 2005 at 10:53:57 PM EST
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Politically binding n/t (none / 0)


by aiko on Mon May 23, 2005 at 11:13:46 PM EST
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Lets be careful about what we say here.. (2.50 / 2)

Tomorrow, Frist was going to play a card
that hurt his own party but deleted
essential barriers to Rove's 40 year
plan of a government completely dominated
by the GOP. Rove wanted and needed
rubber stamp action on the supreme court.

First, lets work out the givens.
Given: We don't have the votes.
Given: The GOP was bluffing.
Given: The confirmation rate for Bush is going over 98%

Therefore:

1. This represents a strengthening of the executive. (ie, a tacit agreement to lessen
the role of the senate in confirmation -
e.g. 'extraordinary circumstance' only )

2. Fairly unqualified people are being placed
into high court - actually completing a chain
of corporate control over the courts

3. The democrats now have no rallying point.

What happens now, I predict is that the
democrats either move to solidify their
position as a party of socially conservative,
fiscally conservative, environmentally liberal,
economically sound, government for-the-people
positions

Or the Democrats scatter to the four winds
and the party is basically done for.
The so called 'victories' have just been
stopping test balloons that really had
no weight behind them at all, like air -
so much insubstance. And the 2006 landscape
is pathetic for the Dems. Nowhere on the map
will they be gaining ground.

So in my view its an interesting deal,
and I think it underscores what Reid
can do with nothing (he is, after all,
a pro lifer) - but if Dean doesn't
get off his high horse and start really
pushing good qualified candidates NOW
you're going to have Belly Up Donkey
coz baby the filibuster was juzt an empttee
threat like dat nucular option and
its important 2 remember that the deal
struck here changes on three secret
votes and a 1 hour procedure in the senate.

Dont think they'll bring the senate down?
Don't think for a minute that they won't.
The Democrats have neutered themselves
on this deal. It is much better for a
party of reform to confront the bald
faced lie that the "constitutional "
option represents: oppose a relentless
grab for power.

Not give up a little bit more.
Anyone remember Tom Daschle "we support
the presidents war in Iraq"

No, its not bad. Its not good.
But historically this will be the point
at which the modern democratic party
came apart + if + Dean can't get it
up.

IMHO FWIW NM

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:08:04 PM EST

Re: Lets be careful about what we say here.. (none / 0)

What happens now, I predict is that the
democrats either move to solidify their
position as a party of socially conservative,
fiscally conservative, environmentally liberal,
economically sound, government for-the-people
positions

Or the Democrats scatter to the four winds
and the party is basically done for.

Very, very insightful and very well said.  BTW, a socially conservative Dem party (ie. Harry Reid version) would not be something I could be a part of, but who am I.

by NG on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:16:07 PM EST
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Re: Lets be careful about what we say here.. (none / 0)

Insightful? He's pulling it out of his ass. There's no split in the Democrats here--the filibuster was saved. The split is in the Republican party.

We pulled off a victory, no matter how slight, while the Republicans clasp to a 10-man majority in the Senate. The Democratic Party in Congress possesses a sense of unity it has never experienced before, and yet, the doomsday police have already arrived, predicting the death of the Democratic Party in a moment where we ought to be surprised we pulled off a victory of any kind, much less one of this nature.

Christ, it's two judges. Given, they're powerful judges, but we've prevented the Republicans from achieving their goal--which was absolute power over the Senate. We won. What kind of nutty logic are you people using?

You've got it backwards. This failure by Frist is going to split the Republicans, not the Democrats.

I mean, jeez. I'm pessimistic, but this is borderline paranoia.

by Covin on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:37:21 PM EST
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Re: Lets be careful about what we say here.. (none / 0)

I appreciate your viewpoint, and I can agree with the parts related to protecting the filibuster for now, but I also see pro-life Dems (Reid, Casey, others) getting the upper hand coupled with the fanatics on the other side.  That worries me to no end and should you.  That is why I resonate with the statement of the Democractic party becoming socially conservative and/or breaking apart.  It is logical and strikes a strong cord in me.
by NG on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:58:18 PM EST
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Compromise (3.00 / 0)


The Democrats did OK.  It wasn't great, but they have only 45 senators, so they are weaker than Frist and his gang.  They probably would have gotten the vote of McCain, Chaffee, Snow, and Collins.  They wouldn't have gotten Hagel because of his Presidential ambitions.  Voinovich wouldn't break ranks after his cosmetic objection of Bolton. Specter is kept on too tight of a noose by the right wingers.  From the other possible ones (Warner, Gregg, Murkoski, Graham, DeWine), it was iffy to get another 2.

The Republicans put in a lot of political capital and spent weeks of their time on this; time that couldn't be spent elsewhere.

The fact that the compromise saved the filibuster. Frist is not likely to try the nuclear option again. This will offset (barely) the 3 judges which will get an up and down vote and be nominated.

by edonyoung on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:15:33 PM EST

Re: Compromise (none / 0)

Why won't Frist try this again? He got his way this time. He got three judges that would have been filibustered. His promise? Does anyone else remember,"This is my last territorial demand in Europe"?
by antiHyde on Mon May 23, 2005 at 10:50:54 PM EST
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Video Links Covering The Compromise (none / 0)

Video Link - Sen. Reid's Floor Speech Regarding 'The Deal'

Video Link - Sen. Reid's Press Statement (via CNN)

Video Link - Senate News Conference Regarding 'The Deal'

We've got video of Sen. Schumer, Durbin and more that are going to be online ASAP.

by Mark Williams on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:18:57 PM EST

An Opportunity? (none / 0)

Owens' record is SO bad that this might be an opportunity to bring it before the public and shame the GOP.  There will be a VERY public debate now before the full Senate.  She might get on the bench at the cost of several GOP seats.

-- Seeing the Forest
by davej on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:19:26 PM EST

Owen and Brown might not make it (3.00 / 1)

Reading between the lines I get the feeling that an "up or down" vote on Owen and Brown might not result in their confirmation.

Naturally I could be wrong - I think I was once before - but part of this deal might have been an agreement - note some words in the memorandum where the senators remark on each others "mutual trsut and confidence."

Smells like not everything is spelled out in the memo.

by mjshep on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:38:14 PM EST

Re: Owen and Brown might not make it (none / 0)

That's an interesting thought -- I was wondering why they agreed on a vote for the most controversial candidates. A vote against any of the three would be a big thumb in the eyes of Bush-Rove.
by EvanstonDem on Mon May 23, 2005 at 11:03:24 PM EST
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McCain : Republicans :: Lieberman : Democrats (none / 0)

It is important not to lose site of the fact that McCain is toast because of this compromise for the exact same reason that Frist is:  he has enraged the base on a key issue.  For some reason cable news has been talking about how McCain embarassed Frist--which is true in terms of most voters I would bet--but he thoroughly destroyed himself in the eyes of the radical right wing.

Get ready for Giuliani 2008.  Now let's start looking for more Kerick love nests...

Corked Bats.  Mediocre blogging at its finest.

by Garemko on Mon May 23, 2005 at 09:45:07 PM EST

Definition of a Loss (3.00 / 1)

If either Percilla Owens or Janice Brown end up being confirmed we(Democrats) and the county lost.
by phastphil on Mon May 23, 2005 at 11:16:56 PM EST

Win's a win (none / 0)

The compromise is a win for everybody. This filibuster crap might be important to egocentric party leaders pushing ideological agendas (paging Bill Frist), but it shows out far out of touch the right-wingers are. People care about gas prices, health care, and a stumbling economy- who your Appellatte court judge is... well thats decidedly less important.
I've read some posts about how Dems caved in and therefore lost. Look, nobody is happy about the judges who were confirmed, but they're playing a tough hand here. With only 45 (including Jeffords) Senators, they probably didnt have 51 votes. Going to war and losing would have been worse than this.
This is a good thing for not just the Senate, but the Democratic party. McCain and Frist are equally screwed in 2008 because they've divided their party into two sections, each side thinking one failed the other. If the Nuke Option passed, it would be all filibuster all the time for the next handful of months. Now we can go back to working on the issues that matter, AND MY FRIENDS, I'm sure I dont need to remind you that we actually have the upper hand right now. All the polls over the last few months show Bush and the GOP Congress with very poor ratings. Get back to debt and war and health care because we can win on these issues! The Stem Cell bill is coming up, thats one that the vast majority of the country supports, and when Bush vetoes it his approval rating is going to plunge and the GOP will be even more divided. You have to pick the fights that need fighting, and in the long run we've made out pretty well today.
by AC4508 on Tue May 24, 2005 at 12:04:49 AM EST


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