An Opposition Party Opposses

From January, 1933 until January 2003, Democrats controlled either the White House or at least one branch of Congress for all but two and a half years (source). By contrast, during that time period they controlled the White House and both branches of Congress for thirty two years. Granted, the vast majroity of that occurred during the heyday of the New Deal Coaltiion, 1932-1946 and 1948-1952. There was also another significant strech of time, 1960-1968, when the New Deal was expanded and the Great Society, including civil rights and immigration reform, was developed.

Sometimes when I think about this, it becomes a lot easier for me to understand what I sense is something of generation gap withint he Demcoratic Party post-2002. I am pretty young, thirty-one, and when it comes to political activism I am even younger than that. In my experience, Demcorats pretty much lost repeatedly. In the experience of those older than myself, Democrats pretty much governed. Older members of the party see us as a governing party, while younger members such as myself view us as an opposition party.

I think it is this different persepctive that is the source of the current party divide over whether Demcorats should oppose the Republican agenda by offering a competing set of policy proposals, or whether, at lesat right now, they should just stand as a fervent opposition to prevent the installment of as much of the Republican agenda as possible. We have all heard this debate manifest itself on a number of recent issues. Demcorats shouldn't just oppose Bush's Social Secrity ideas, they should offer some of their own. Democrats shouldn't just oppose tort "reform" and the class action bill, the should offer a tort reform proposal of their own. Democrats shouldn't just oppose the repeal of the estate tax, they should rpesent a counter tax reform package. Don't just oppose, propose, we are told ad nauseum.

As someone who is pretty firmly in the "just oppose" camp, I fail to see the point of Demcoratic policy alternatives at this time. What is the point of developing policy alternatives that will never even have a chance of leaving Congressional committee? What is the point of developing policy alternatives that will reify hysterical Republican claims about a Social Security crisis, a litigation crisis, or all of the other invented crisises that Republicans create as a pretense of uber-conservative reform? Further, what is the point of developing policy alternatives that will do little else except serve as an excuse of Republicans to serve up slightly altered versions of their "reforms" (remember, Republicans don't pass pieces of legilsation, they pass reforms) as reasonable compromises? Still further, what is the point of developing policy alternatives when there is very little chance of Demcorats regaining power of the House, the Seante and the Presidency before 2008? It is going to be nearly impossible for Demcorats to gain control of the Senate in the 2006 elections, and our prospects in the House are not much better. Right now, our job is not to develop policy, because there is really no chance that we will go on to govern, thus making that policy of any use.

And there are even more problems with offering policy alternatives right now. First, while Demoratic unity is higher than at pretty much any time over the past several decades, it still noticeably lags behind borg-like Republican loyalty in Congress. Opposing offers a simplier and broader means of developing party unity than proposing ever would, as Republicans are now discovering. And that does not even enter into our crisis in national political discourse where policy plays pretty much no role. As Hunter recently wrote at Daily Kos:

The problem is -- and this is important -- current national politics has almost nothing to do with policy.

We're all clear on that, right?

It's not about the facts of the argument, when there is no place where the facts can be debated. It's not about reasoned discourse -- there aren't any channels interested in showing that right now. It's not about deciding who has the better proposals, on a given issue: there's simply no forum to present them to. Every time I hear a liberal talking about how we need to be more "policy driven", therefore, I get a bit confused. Isn't that missing every lesson of contemporary politics? I'd love for our national discourse to be policy driven. But that hasn't happened, and the Republicans have made it a major strategy to make sure it doesn't happen anytime soon.

This is not a time for policy. Not only will it not work, it is not our job right now. The mission of Demcorats in Congress must be to oppose and prevent the enactment of as much of the theocon agenda as possible. We are the opposition party, and our job is to oppose this current agenda. The time for offering an attractive, alternative governing philosophy is not close. The time for discussing policy on a national stage has not been around for decades. And besides, we are really scoring points by being the party of "just say no to conservatism." Even better, a recent article in the American Prospect discusses how Demcorats are have made real agains with this trategy:
In the last few months, and certainly in the weeks since the Terri Schiavo fiasco on Capitol Hill, Democrats have been making steady strides by doing nothing. As the Republicans score points against themselves on issue after issue, Democrats have touted the idea that doing nothing is a more reasonable alternative to whatever the GOP is suggesting. And in a collapse, at least momentary, of the old notion that something always beats nothing, this approach seems to be working for them. It is a strategy that began with the president's private-accounts solution to Social Security solvency and may reach its apogee with filibuster reform, or the nuclear option.

Some of what's in play here is unity of purpose. With little else to agree on, Democrats have agreed to be united. They may not be able to agree on how to solve the problems at hand, but they can readily agree to be against the GOP's proposed solutions.

And so they have become the "no" party: No to private accounts. No to the intervention in the Schiavo case. No to the energy bill. No to changing the Senate rules on filibustering judges. No to changing the rules to protect Tom DeLay. And, maybe most notably, no to John Bolton as United Nations ambassador.

The lack of an affirmative agenda has been noted by many, and assessed as a flawed and fatal strategy. DeLay, for example, has blamed his troubles not just on Democrats but on Democrats devoid of ideas and without an agenda. He and his supporters discern a vast left-wing conspiracy funded by blue-state dollars out to get him and the GOP in general, and to them the reason is clear: "... because House Democrats have no ideas, no agenda, and no solutions," DeLay spokesman Dan Allen told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's Maria Recio.

Democrats, who in the past may have had too many ideas, would disagree, of course, but in fact they've finally come to grips with their "inner no," and it has freed them from the pretense that they actually have a hand in governing the country. They have become the opposition party, and they are opposing -- and leaving the proposing to -- the other side. They propose, we oppose, you decide.

Who cares what Republicans like DeLay claim Democrats should be doing? When have they ever given us good advice anyway? Demcorats are an opposition party right now, not a governoing one. We all need to get used to that, and we need to play that role the best we can. Our time to govern will come again, but that time is not right now. Now it is time to oppose, not propose.

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You're right... (none / 0)

in the short term

But we also need to prepare for the long-term with good policy proposals and a vision.  It doesn't have to be too public right now, but it does need to have to happen

by v2aggie2 on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 05:59:02 PM EST

I disagree, respectfully. (none / 0)

Lets talk for a second about what a theocon
really is. I've seen that term abused
to mean anyone who opposes gay marriage.

In any society there comes a tipping point
- technically called a 'j curve' where
the people revolt. Normally the axes of this
curve are measured in terms of production
and buying power, etc. ie, production rises,
but people get less and less for their money -
they start getting upset.

You can see this playing out in those people
who have decided never to buy another SUV.
Ford reports a big dark sales forecast,
GM reports sales dropping 36% , etc.
on those big, gas guzzling vehicles. Meanwhile
the toyota Prius is back ordered and
the resale value of a used Hybrid gas/electric
Prius now exceeds its original sticker price.
Basic economics. People vote, whether with
their pocket books ...

... or their bibles.

In the case of marriage its crucial to understand
that the family is THE base unit of politics.

Gay marriage is a key issue here.
Because the tipping point has been reached
not for marriage (actually red states have
higher divorce rates than blue) ...
the inflection point has been reached
on the realization that people have
no say in government. We, as voters,
whether you're a deaniac who walked 1,000
miles banging door to door for the doc -
or a person housebound, who has written
100 letters - or someone who daily sees
the absurdity unfold, perhaps not unlike
the good doctor - in his kitchen so long ago-
reading the paper and saying "what the heck
is going on with this country!!"

but thats the key. Government, and all the
dog and pony shows that are held before us
- is at this point simply a reflection
of a broader, sybaritic society. Basically,
a society whose power structure is being
held onto by the baby boomers - despite the
fact that they have long faded their skills
and are long in the tooth and gray of the beard
and badly need replacement.

These boomers think nothing of a world where
they consume, they buy products to fill
the void in their life - they piss in the
river and then complain they can't drink.

Who should we oppose? We can't oppose
half the population of the united states.

But given that we just shot an innocent
country, exalted the liars, destroyed
the CIA, built a shrine for the
polluters and pumped our kids full of
sugar, and mercury, and then when they
look like little rain men we forcefeed
them ritalin....

We need god like the air, the water we breathe.
We need the lord and everything he and only
he alone stands for.

So we either believe what we stand for,
or we simply fade away. What you're
seeing in the church is something more
powerful than simply government.

The theocons , as you call them, are really
grassroots people. Who are following christ
as best as they know how.

When you expose the charlatans in their
own ranks, when you reveal to them the enemy.
When you protect marriage, the family,
and hold up the children -

You stand united against the special interest
groups. The gay media industry types, the
corporate crooks - the secret kabal of warmongers -

When you pray for a soldier, to come home safely -
you bring back one more man who can see
beyond the thousand yard stare - who lived
every day of his life fighting for you -

and you give him a new enemy to fight.
The real enemy.

Don't discount the power of prayer,
don't be careless about whom you
would call theocon.

The constitution and union forever.

Remember that. This is a country that
works completely on the principle
that democracy comes first. Reform
comes at our level, not theirs -= when
we finally pull away the matrix
before our eyes and see everything for
what it really is.

Attacking the grassroots christians
would be tantamount, in my mind - to
attacking america itself.

And so I would never be a part of it.
I think the real issue is we need
to expose just what a bad buy
TV media really is, because the HALF TRILLION
dollars that were spent last year
mostly when to them and their very, very
crooked accountants...

And it didn't elect John KErry, did it?
Seriously, I like the Guy. But we didn't
get / anything / for all that money
and that makes me angry enough to be right
at an inflection point. I hope you are too.

by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 06:04:03 PM EST

Re: I disagree, respectfully. (3.00 / 0)

I'm not quite sure what to make of this besides the fact that the argument, hindering on the premise that gay marriage is THE issue, is bullshit.  

First, I would like to point out that while all who oppose gay marriage are not theocons, it is probably that all who are theocons oppose gay marriage.  

Second, this is written as though somehow being against gay marriage protects family and heterosexual marriage.  This argument, of course and as always, presupposes what it sets out to prove.  It also falls into the trap that marriage was something "invented" by God or the church.  In reality, marriage was first created as a means of economic survival.  Families joining their wealth, the husband gains a wife to bear sons and tend to the land, etc.  

Moreover, it assumes that somehow the two gay guys down the block who want to protect their family unit and economic bearing and simply have their loving relationship and all responsibilities thereof protected in the eyes of the law, will undermine the heterosexuals who take marriage for granted so much that they make television shows where wives can be bought like property or midgets can get a "full-size wife".  

Finally, (and this is the doozy), it presupposes that the rights of the minority should be put up to a vote by the majority.  I know that most Americans do not understand civics because of a lack of quality education, but let's get one thing straight.  We are NOT a democracy in the purest sense of the word.  This country was built on a foundation that included protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  

What if one day brown eyed people outnumbered blue eyed people 3 to 1?  Then brown eyed people decide to enact laws that discriminate against blue eyed people?  Do you recall miscenegaion laws?  Support for gay marriage now (approx 65 - 35% against) is actually greater than support for interracial marriages when those laws were on the books (90% - 10% against).  

Ultimately, the problem is that gay people, who are typically the weak and most persecuted of any society, are being bashed for political gain.  Bush and the Republicans made it fashionable to attack gays publicly to get votes and rile up the Christian Taliban.  This has had a cascade effect to sow the seeds of division and ignorance in the population at large.  "Gays are evil and sinful and will harm your children and are god-hating" is the powerful rhetoric they use.  "Gays will destroy family and then society!"  

Logic, reason, understanding and love have no place in this discourse.  Why should we try to understand the point of view of the gay and the weak when we are the straight and the strong?  

I do not blame most peoples' ignorance for their opposition to gay marriage.  It's a lot easier to demonize people when you dont have to know anything about them and just rely on your preconceived notions.    God forbid the fact that homosexuality be something that is predetermined at birth and then, by extension, an act of God's will, ever be revealed the whole weight of the Right's argument will be crushed.  That is ultimately the fate of such things when you rely on one rigid, narrow INTERPRETATION of something written thousands of years ago and translated numerous times.

So when our gay children are beaten, bashed and harrassed out of school and taught all their lives, either directly or indirectly, that they are an unnatural abomination to the point where they kill themselves I ask you, where is your "Christian" love?  

by dayspring on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:20:58 PM EST
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Re: I disagree, respectfully. (none / 0)

There is disagreement over what the correct order is for Martin Neimoller's famous quote. I think gays and lesbians were a notable omission that was Neimoller overlooked for cultural reasons. I suspect that historically, an argument could be made that the correct order should be First they came for the gays and lesbians.

It's far easier to surrender someone else's civil liberties, than it is to surrender your own.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:00:28 PM EST
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Re: I disagree, respectfully. (none / 0)

Actually, fascism usually starts with
control of the media.

The central premise isn't about gay marriage,
but instead, its that the TV advertising
business and cable news-entertainment

Blogs are better.
That was the point.

Gays as a group are heavily entrenched
in the echelons of the entertainment
industry -

They're really not ready to embrace the
grassroots.  Kos is a good example.
Even if hes in the blistering minority
on any kind of GLBT issue his posts
reflect true disdain for the voice of the
majority.

Historically Dean wanted the decision for Vt. to go with civil unions
to the state leg. and alot of states
followed suit. Most of the deaniacs
here in Atlanta were at the state leg.
protesting Ga.'s SR 595 - banning gay
marriage. That to me was the very definition
of disconnection from the voice of the
majority. The resolution passed + the
voters declared almost 9 to 1 to leave
our state out of the legal fun.
Heck, if you look at it one way
"activist judges" are the real issue,
aren't they now.

Apparently people from the GOP are
enamoured of sniping the Reagan appointments.

My money is on the blogosphere defeating
the talk radio network someday.

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:37:23 AM EST
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Re: I disagree, respectfully. (3.00 / 1)

Once again Mr. Turner, you are assuming much without any proof to back it up.  "Gays are heavily entrenched in the echelons of the entertainment industry".  

Just because most of the people in musical theater are gay does not mean they weild any power.  Also, that stereotype is frequently used about Jewish people.  "They control the media."

Moreover, the notion that "gays are not ready to embrace the grassroots" is bullshit.  I'm gay and I'm a grassroots activist.  I was at the first meetups for Dean, my political organization in New York City (Stonewall Democrats of NYC) was the FIRST  group in the country to endorse him.  I was there when MeetUps for Dean first started.  

Now, if you want to start a discussion about the failures of the Human Rights Campaign (which is like the DLC of the gay equality movement) and the problems with the organization of glbt people then we can do that.  

Finally, again your saying because the majority wants something the majority should get it.  THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY SHOULD NEVER BE PUT UP TO VOTE BY THE MAJORITY!  That is one of the principles this country is founded on.  That is what this fillibuster debate is all about.  It's called Tryanny of the Majority.  90% of the people in this country did not want inter-racial marriage when it was illegal.  Do we call those judges that struck down miscegenation laws "activist"?  No, those judges realize that "Freedom means freedom for everybody" (VP Cheney).  If a constitution has an equal rights clause then there are no grounds to deny the 1,500 rights and protections afforded to heterosexuals over homosexuals.  

This is not something people should vote on.  It is about civil rights, human dignity, equality and freedom.  Here's a newsflash, just because most people want something doesn't mean it's RIGHT.  

I applaud those Deaniacs in Atlanta who stood up against the collective ignorance and fear of the majority and stood up for what was right.  

Perhaps, Mr. Turner, you are so blinded by your prejudice and bigotry against gay people that you cannot see the realities that exist.  

"Activist judges"... my ass.  

by dayspring on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:41:55 PM EST
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Re: I disagree, respectfully. (3.00 / 1)

Nicely stated.

I always try to remind people that the bible has only 4 scriptures that are taken to say anything about homosexuality; the Leviticus laws, I Cor 6:9, Romans 1:26-27, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah - and none address loving, consenting homosexual acts as we know them today.

"There are over 600 individual "laws" in the Levitical code, the breaking of anyone of which would make the sinner unclean and unacceptable to God. It is an abomination to eat pork, etc. The law is no longer in effect and its purpose was to show that man could never follow it. The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, likewise have nothing to do with homosexuality.

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts."  (from Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible, http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/section01.html, )

It is all about "interpretation".

I just cant figure out why they are all so afraid of  homosexuality....

PS. I dont know if i posted this correctly.  I want to give credit to the website where i got that quote from.  I dont know how to put things into the gray boxes.  So anyone who could tell me, i would appreciate it.  Thanks.

by phemfrog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:21:15 PM EST
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BTW, You're An Idiot. (1.00 / 1)

Just in case nobody has told you again today.

And a long-winded one, at that.

by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:19:03 PM EST
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Re: BTW, You're An Idiot. (none / 0)

What's up with the strange format turner uses? Is that some sort of egotistical affectation? Or is turner too stupid to post a comment with a regular format?
by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:28:29 PM EST
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I Dunno. Mebbe Attention Deficit Reorder (none / 0)

You know. He's got an attention deficit. Then when he runs out, he reorders.

Just a thought.

by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:47:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Dunno. Mebbe Attention Deficit Reorder (none / 0)

so the rosenburgs are the patriots now hhmm?
by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:41:15 AM EST
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How can anyone oppose this idea? (none / 0)

It sounds like common sense to me. The longer that Harry Reid and the Democratic party delay a strategy of opposition, the more the perception grows in the country that Democrats are cowards.

Bush's poularity is in the tank. The Republican Congress is polling even lower, but the Democrats are not gaining in popularity, because they are not clearly distinguishing themselves in the public mind from Republicans in Congress. The biggest problem Democrats have with the media is that they don't attack conservative media bias.

Democrats can clearly distinguish themselves from the Republican party by becoming the party of Hell No!. How much longer can the Democrats rest on their laurels while Republicans accuse them of hating America and hating religion? Is the whole party consumed with Kerryitis?

Where's the outrage?:

The Nation - June, 2003

Where is the outrage? Just imagine how much shock and complaining there would be if we learned that American Idol had been rigged. But Bush and his comrades can use deceptive means to launch a war and to pass trillion-dollar tax cuts that bust the bank--and then skate away. The ice they are on is a little less smooth and thick than it was a week ago.     . . .     To conclude that the guy at the helm in these insecure times is not to be trusted can be frightening. Bush is proving--so far--that it is even easier for a president to escape popular outrage when he lies about war and taxes than when he lies about sex.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 06:14:23 PM EST

It occurs to me (none / 0)

that just being the opposition can win you an election or two, not actually transform the party or most importantly, the country for the long term. In many respects, it is like the Kerry "electability" gambit in that it actually delays an inevitably painful rebuilding of a coalition in exchange for a chance to win today as a non-descript entity that isn't clear on what it stands for.

You've got a huge split in the democratic ranks between people who are willing to give up the gay agenda as part of a sine qua non of being a nationally viable party, and those who aren't. This battle cannot be wished away. On the one hand, giving gays the boot will drive alot of other leftists out as well. A strategist needs to be sure that the party can garner more votes from the center then it loses from th fringe. And it is more than votes; centrists as a group usually are not excitable politically which makes them poor footsoldiers come election time. Not having as large a stake in the outcome (in some sense they always win) they tend not to contribute huge dollars.

Will this fight take place in the 2006 primaries? I'm not sure. Heck, the Republicans are only now having their big internal fights after years of discipline! (is that the model you wish to emulate?!)

To me the stakes are enormous because the American people are not by themselves going to change fast enough to keep up with the world and its many problems. We need genuine leadership and true heroic statesmanship, not just another <insert name> from <insert state>  poiltician.

by Paul Goodman on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:40:48 PM EST
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Opposition is important (3.00 / 0)

One of the biggest complaints voiced last cycle was that Democrats didn't have an elevator pitch. No one knew for certain what we stood for. The GOP defined us.

Defining one's positions need not be an exercise in futility by bringing up legislative proposals that will never see the light of day. Or worse yet, legislation that will be warped into "bipartisan" proposals that are then gutted by the majority and held over our heads come next election cycle just as the Patriot Act, NCLB and the war resolution were.

Opposing means defining your opponent by opposing him. Call attention to the GOP hypocrisy. Call attention to the Radical Right. Call attention to the administration changing of the rules to suit them or to protect corrupt leaders, their invasion of our personal rights, their desire to foist their one "right" religion. All this can be done by opposing them and not offering cover of any kind for them to hide behind.

Define them in this way, then run Democrats who will decry their radical, power grabbing, rule changing, overstepping of government's bounds through the GOP's constant hypocrisy, and you provide a clear choice for the voters. You define Democrats as being the party opposed to hypocrisy and government intruding into our lives through imposition of their set of "morals."

Define them, rather than provide cover for them through proposing legislation they can commandeer, and we win.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:12:19 PM EST

Senator Frist Steers Clear of Religion (none / 0)

Ah so.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/24/senate.filibuster.ap/index.html
he Tennessee Republican made no overt mention of religion in a brief address taped for a rally Sunday evening in Louisville, Kentucky, according to a text of his remarks released before the event.

Instead, Frist seemed intent on steering clear of the views expressed by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and other conservatives in and out of Congress who have urged investigations and even possible impeachment of judges they describe as activists.

"Our judiciary must be independent, impartial and fair," Frist said in his taped remarks.

"When we think judicial decisions are outside mainstream American values, we will say so. But we must also be clear that the balance of power among all three branches requires respect -- not retaliation. I won't go along with that," Frist said.

..
 We see 230 of 240 judges
confirmed, the last 10 - three drop out,
and to appoint the last seven - apparently
Senator and GOP Senate MAjority leader
Bill Frist, MD -  wants to "preserve"
the "right" of the senators to "vote".

Frist steers clear of the grassroots.
He addresses a church, but doesn't speak
a word about religion to them.

Make no mistake about it, if you oppose
dealing in the grassroots, you should
line up with him.

After all, Martin Luther King and his
christian principles gave some democrat
folks here in Atlanta a very difficult
way to respond. Better to have these
democrats stand up against this preacher
man, they said. Lets oppose this theocratic
individual they said.

Lets kill him. They said.

by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:19:19 PM EST

Again, You're An Idiot! (none / 0)

Just in case no one told you yesterday, either.
by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:24:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please use a normal format (none / 0)

Is that an egotistical affectation or are you too stupid to post a comment with a regular format?
by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:29:50 PM EST
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You two are better than that (none / 0)

don't let your talent go to your heads, act the gentlemen.
by Paul Goodman on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:41:53 PM EST
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Oppose, and plot (3.00 / 0)

Plot the ascendance back to power.
Prepare to fight like your family's life depended on it.

Ruthless.
Bloodthirsty.
Relentlessly.

When we are in a position to seize the power back, then we will relay a hopefull and ambitious agenda for the future.
Until that time, suck it up and prepare for total war.

They have us on one knee now, and MAKE NO MISTAKE, the GOP intend to knock us on our backs and BURY US.

by Sam Loomis on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:44:00 PM EST

Agreed. So when are they going to start? (3.00 / 0)

It must be right that this is no time for the Democrats to be pushing out detailed policy statements.

And there certainly are plenty of GOP bills that Congressional Dems should have no ideological difficulty in opposing. And not just liberals, either.

What about the estate tax bill? It's welfare for multimillionaires: the poster-boy for the reversal of the New Deal that Dems say the GOP has in mind.

Even for Democratic members from red states, how is selling that a risky proposition? If not because too many voters still believe the GOP propaganda about the bill saving all those family farms.

(I noted that, in the House, SD's Stephanie Herseth, for example, felt comfortable enough to vote against the bill on passage. Though 42 Dems, for whatever reasons, voted in favour.)

If Reid can't lead his people into battle on an issue as (relatively) simple as this, what hope is there on more complex bills (the energy bill, for example - on which Herseth's vote is bought by ethanol)?

But, naturally, opposition doesn't necessarily mean pitched battles: I'd be interested to know what use Democrats are making of Senate 'holds' to try and hold back some of this toxic stuff.

by johnsmith0903 on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:45:57 PM EST

Re: Agreed. So when are they going to start? (none / 0)

I agree.  I mean, are we really the "opposition" when so many of our own vote in favor of legislation that is the OPPOSITE of progressive?  I have looked at the roll calls for so many of these bills, and have been appalled.  Its not 2 or 3 dems voting for these bills, it is like 30 or 40.  

I am all for being the opposition party, and i will not abandon the party, but i find it very hard to find hope when the our "representatives" as a group cant even vote against bad, regressive legislation.

help!!!???

by phemfrog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:53:14 AM EST
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50/50 (3.00 / 0)

Chris-
I think you are perfectly correct in terms of the specific issues that your bring up.  But I think your point might properly be a bit more narrow: Democrats should not offer new policy  proposals on "Republican ussues."  How can you tell if something is a Republican issue?  Easy: if an issue is relevant and topical, we should stay away from it.

But, I think a Contract-with-America-esque set of policy proposals--even knowing they will never get out of committee--would serve the Dems well, though ONLY if it addresses a small number of strategic issues which we want to own.  In short, a Dem proposal on Soc. Sec. would be bad, but one on alternative energy or the minimum wage would be of strategic value value: we get press for our issues, we brand the party positively for the voters concerned with those issues, and we get Repubs on record blocking good legislation.  

Plus (and while this reason is stupid, it's also the msot important), if every member of the press has a nice, shiny pamphlet laying out the five things that Democrats care about, it will be immensely easier for us to "cahnge the subject" back to our go-to issues when the GOP hypes a fake crisis.

by Frontier PAC on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:09:27 PM EST

Re: 50/50 (3.00 / 1)

Dems need to start building a foundation for a 2006 vision of opposition to Republican corruption and benefits for the privileged investor class. The most important focus has to be Republican failure and breach of faith with the American people.

The Republicans have violated their own Contract With America. Republicans are dirty rotten breachers and cannot be trusted with our economy, our Constitution or our freedom.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:43:06 PM EST
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Not policy, but vision (3.00 / 0)

Detailed policy proposals need to stay in the think tanks for a while. Details only become magnets for criticism, which is why the current administration avoids all discussion of them.

The Dems DO need to articulate a vision--some have discussed a "Contract with America" style document--that can be used as a springboard to articulating the American core values that motivate the Democratic party and offer a contrasting picture to current GOP slime.

Personally, I would like to see such a vision statement include the  following:

  1. A pledge to restore ethical oversight to Congress.
  2. A "geo-green" agenda that improves American security by working toward energy independence.
  3. Universal health care, preferably with several corporate CEOs in tow to discuss why this would restore American competitiveness and improve the environment for business--let's make health care our wedge issue.
  4. Tax reform--to restore fairness and progressivity to the system, and to ensure that we no longer pass massive debt on to our children.
  5. Our own plan to nurture democracies and fight terrorism cooperatively.

I think 5 statements is about enough. More looks like a laundry list.
by willpax on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:26:19 PM EST

Re: Not policy, but vision (none / 0)

Perhaps. If Dems do put together a "vision statement" they should also be purposefully vague. Enough detail to counter the "Democrats have no new ideas" accusation, but not detailed enough to provide grist for a Republican counter attack of any substance.

The problem is that GOPers will attack no matter what the Dems do. It may be better strategy to just flat out oppose and ridicule GOPers. Even a vision statement will serve as a distraction from GOPer policies. The most important tactic is to stay focused on flawed GOPer policies and ethical problems.

At this point I would settle for any sort of Dem attack that reaches the public square. Is Harry Reid's rapid response team still on sabatical?

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:36:29 PM EST
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Re: Not policy, but vision (none / 0)

I agree about the need to avoid details.

Timing is also important. Right now, let the GOP flail in the wind. But at some point before 2006, give those who are wavering some feel-good reasons to support the Dems this time around.

I like these issues because they are good policy, but also have some "poison pill" qualities for parts of the GOP coalition. The main weakness of them is that it would require the Dems to fight some powerful lobbies (such as insurance)--I'm not sure they have it in them to do so.

by willpax on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 11:25:42 PM EST
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The only option. (none / 0)

I agree with Chris, and have been saying so for a while: there's no point in dealing in policy-making now, it's the job of the Democrats to oppose.

My latest post on this subject -- also prompted by Hunter's piece on dKos, and posted an hour and a half ago, but before I read Chris' post -- is here.

The reactive, obstructionist, oppositional stance is really the only option in the current circumstance.  When things change, they'll be different.

unfutz
by Ed Fitzgerald on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:01:46 AM EST

26 Years (3.00 / 1)

For 26 years between 1968 and 1994 Democrats controlled the House without fail although rarely controlling the White House (just 6 of those 26 years).  To me, those were Republican years but to political reporters and Democratic politicos those years generated a rhythmn of proposal and counter=proposal that became the song of government.

Well, the old song won't play anymore as Republicans control the whole shooting match even though echoes of the familiar victimology from the Republicans are still played.

We don't need to rip each other up to get to a new song:  Opposition.  And then victory, for we shall overcome some day.

It's getting late here on the east coast so forgive this musical tripe.

by David Kowalski on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:32:04 AM EST

Not to change the subject but DNS Outage Continues (none / 0)

There is a massive DNS outage on the net.
IT is affecting only those customers who
registered at network solutions.com

It is so bad, networksolutions.com website
is actually DOWN.

This is a central registrar to the net.
I am shocked that no-one is reporting this!!?

Whats the story? About 200,000 websites
are current dns poisoned and for all we know
al qaeda is operating their
dns and stealing their records.

The outage has affected nearly everyone
who registered their name at Network solutions,
and netsol has been down four times in
the last two days.

Mail and DNS across the net are seriously
disrupted.

How come nobody is reporting it?
MAybe american media doesn't have the power
to see beyond its own nose. They made
sure the CNN.com dns services were resolving
properly - so in the act of ultimate hubris,
the CNN techies think that since they can't
see the problem, nobody has it.

just try going to wonkette.com

by turnerbroadcasting on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 05:32:31 AM EST

Let's Go (none / 0)

I agree.  A compromise only works for them.  They get through their policy and get to claim the mantle of bipartisanship.  
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 04:28:56 PM EST


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