Radical social conservatism becomes Republican legislation

The Republican party is lost. Reading through Peggy Noonan, the naked ambition to stay in power, at whatever cost, comes forth:
Bill Frist and Tom DeLay and Jim Sensenbrenner and Denny Hastert and all the rest would be better off risking looking ridiculous and flying down to Florida, standing outside Terri Schiavo's room and physically restraining the poor harassed staff who may be told soon to remove her feeding tube, than standing by in Washington, helpless and tied in legislative knots, and doing nothing.

Issue whatever subpoena, call whatever witnesses, pass whatever emergency bill, but don't let this woman die.

In fact, the Republicans have already lost on this issue, regardless of what happens next. It's only when the Republican Party has been able to corner the radical evangelical agenda outside the legislative arena, relageting it to the electoral arena, that they've suceeded in duping the nation.

Now, the Republican Party is having to show the nation its true base-- that of the dogmatic evangelical minority which enables the Republicans to victory after victory in elections. And yet, term after term, the Republicans get away with delivering next to nothing of the social conservative agenda, while striping the wealth from those same middle-class voters. Peggy Noonan, like the rest of the Republican establishment, just wishes that this was over, and they could be rest assurred that the "base" is in their corner, and go back to ripping them off.



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RudePundit on this horror (3.00 / 1)

RudePundit has it right: ...Now the Congress is involved. And the Republicans want Schiavo brought into the hearing room. What a spectacle that's gonna be. What a fucking horror show. What an embarrassment to this nation. All those righteous members of Congress, weeping because Schiavo can't answer their questions, listening to her machine sounds, the suckings, the gurgles. They called Schiavo before the committee in a little over a week because "it is a federal crime to harm or obstruct a person called to testify before Congress." Another person, another prop. Those fuckers in the GOP know what they're doing: force Democrats to vote against the bowl of jello in front of them and then use that as immunity in elections against charges that the Republicans are eliminating Social Security. What these disgusting, dirt-covered worms won't do to eat the flesh off the body politic....
by amberglow on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 12:06:45 AM EST

How low so fast (none / 0)

It is amazing how low these folks have gone so quickly. I am amazed by how quickly they are showing their true colors after hiding them so effectively for so many years.

I guess the only real worry is that they actually DO represent a voting majority in this country,, because there can surely be no doubt now that their real, and ugly, and bigotted and sick face is finally showing.

Wanting to drag this woman who has been in a persitant vegatitive state for over a decade is just sick, purely for political purposes. Creating a circus show over human tragedy isnt what i expect from my government.

4 more years of this, how much lower can they go ?

by Pounder on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 12:12:40 AM EST

Republican circus (3.00 / 1)

I'm so mad about this that I can spit.  

I practice law in this area, and have been in the room of the dying.  

I hope in my heart that poor Terri Schiavo is dragged onto the floor of the Senate.  The Dems will take power back sooner than you can yell Newt Gingrich in a burning room.  The threat of subpoena in the arena of the dying will only create emnity in the American public.  Look at the CNN poll on permanent vegitative states.

This proves, once again, if you overreach while in power in American politics, you get burned for a generation.

by Colorado Thistle on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 12:44:52 AM EST

The best 'Our God' vs 'Your God' frame ever... (3.00 / 1)

that I have read so far:

... the biggest difference right now between liberals and republicans is that liberals believe that God is big enough to intervene in people's lives without passing a law on it and Republicans say that "God would want me to pass laws against things that displease Him.

Now, what Republicans don't think about is that

  • "other people" believe in God also,
  • God, is big enough to deal with peoples' individual mistakes
  • Some people don't believe in God but it doesn't bother Him
  • God expects us to be good examples of His love not Save the World.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 06:52:24 AM EST

Re: The best 'Our God' vs 'Your God' frame ever. (none / 0)

Republicans get away with delivering next to nothing of the social conservative agenda

It is not easy playing GOD. The Wingnuts are having a difficult time...they remind me of clowns runnning the circus.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 07:10:49 AM EST
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Let's call them what they are - (3.00 / 2)

They are not evangelicals they are fundamentalists - just like the Taliban

They don't know the meaning of Christian compassion. In their hands it (Christianity )becomes twisted and ugly.

What a horrible spectacle they are making of this issue

by merbex on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 07:39:45 AM EST

Re: Let's call them what they are - (3.00 / 1)

The NY Times reported in a story on Thursday called "In Schiavo Feeding-Tube Case, Notoriety Finds Unlikely Judge" that:

"...Opponents have sent hundreds of letters and e-mail messages to the judge, picketed his courthouse in Clearwater, and, in a few cases, friends said, threatened his life. He stopped attending his longtime church, Calvary Baptist in Clearwater, in 2003 after it sent a publication to the congregation sharply criticizing him..."

here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/national/17greer.html?hp&ex=1111122000&en=9d475b95baaafda2 &ei=5094&partner=homepage

The judge now has a permanent police escort.  At some point the press and law enforcement officials have to stop dancing around the issue; the judge in the Schiavo case is being "terrorized" by radical extremists.

I'm still waiting for Democrats to have their Joseph Welch moment ("Have you no decency, sir? Have you no shame?") regarding America's homegrown Taliban. Then the Culture War will have truly been engaged.

by JohnS on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 09:23:32 AM EST
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Re: Let's call them what they are - (none / 0)

I think that Democrats should stay out of it and frame their comments on how the GOP now thinks that they are GOD

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 09:32:58 AM EST
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Re: Let's call them what they are - (none / 0)

A judge was appointed by the state of Florida to preside over a case . There is a group of radical extremists who are trying to prevent him from performing his duty. Is this organized crime? Is it "terrorism" when death threats are issued against the judge?

The western world was rightly angered when fatwas were issued by  radical extremists against Salmon Rushdie for perceived crimes. How is this any different? A major pundit, Peggy noonan, urges Republican legislators to rush to Florida to break the law and the rest of us, Democratic leaders included, should just sit on our hands?

The politicization of a family tragedy by these radical extremists ought to be the final straw. Lawbreakers who prevent the judge from doing his job should be dealt with accordingly by law enforcement. They should be described as such (at the least) by our press, and Republicans in Congress who get involved in this should be denounced by Democrats because it's the right thing to do.

 

by JohnS on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 10:28:39 AM EST
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NPR just announced (3.00 / 2)

NPR just announced the Supreme Court denied Coingresses petition to fouce their demand for Terry Schaivo to appear before their committees.  I suspect this takes the Federal Courts out of the mix -- unless Congress comes back to pass new laws.  Ruling came without comment.  

I think we are missing the opportunity to remind people that just this week the House voted to cut 14 BILLION dollars out of the Medicade budget, and I find it hard to imagine that such a cut will not result in denying medical care that could be very life-giving, to a lot of poor and nameless people.  I think we should be reminding of that vote -- who voted for the House Republican Budget -- and which Republicans crossed the aisle and refused to support the cuts in the Senate.  

by Sara on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:06:27 AM EST

Re: NPR just announced (none / 0)

I think we are missing the opportunity to remind people that just this week the House voted to cut 14 BILLION dollars out of the Medicade budget, and I find it hard to imagine that such a cut will not result in denying medical care that could be very life-giving, to a lot of poor and nameless people.

Exactly. This is what the repubs have won and what they've won is cover. Of course these budget cuts kill people and lots of people. If the media concentrated on and personalized the consequences of these cuts or the Medicaid cuts already implemented in various states (like Mississippi) even the fundie base would be outraged. But, as it stands, the men and women who voted for them are now 'compassionate' and Jeb's got a shot at the Presidency.
It's the most disgusting, shameless politics in my lifetime.

by colleen on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:42:35 AM EST
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No matter what we will LOSE (3.00 / 1)

Why?

Because the Republicans don't give a hoot if she live or dies. This is a media extravaganza showing how "compassionate" the wingnuts are and how humanless the "libruls" are.

Read this   excellent diary again: Kerry Haters and Who killed the swing voter by laddy

ALL THIS ACHIEVES IS PUSHING UP LIB'RULS NEGATIVES and that is all they want...

  • they do not want to save this woman's life
  • they do not want to criminalize abortion

These are tactics to make lib'ruls seem more extreme than they are...and it works. This was the reasoning behind partial birth abortion bans a straw arguement but it made Democrats "look" like they were in favor of killing fully formed fetuses yet they were trying to protect the fight so women who had been raped or were carrying children with extreme birth defects.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 09:22:27 AM EST
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Re: No matter what we will LOSE (none / 0)

Not really. The general public found late-term abortion deeply troubling and supported the legislation banning it. The general public does NOT support keeping a vegetable alive if her husband decides to pull the plug. This doesn't hurt liberal at all. It hurts Republicans because it's shameless grandstanding on an issue that's deeply troubling for many people. That's the difference.
by elrod on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 09:17:47 PM EST
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In 1987 GHWB said SS privitization is stupid. (2.00 / 1)

From TNR: http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml

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Crack TNR editorial assistant Ben Adler recently fished this H.W. Bush quote out of the TNR archives (from the November 23, 1987 issue):

GHWB: "I think it's a nutty idea to fool around with the Social Security system and run the risk of [hurting] the people who've been saving all their lives.... It may be a new idea, but it's a dumb one."

For those keeping score, the comment came in response to a question from fellow presidential candidate Pete du Pont during a presidential debate. Du Pont was an advocate of partially privatizing the program.

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Bushypoop needs to listen to his dad more often. He wouldn't get us stuck in quagmires and potentially ruin the lives of old folks.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:51:43 AM EST

Republican Hypocrites (3.00 / 1)

The Republicans grandstand here for the benefit of their evangelical supporters, asserting their great concern for one badly damaged life, but are indifferent to the extinction of human life being carried out in Iraq.
by Bob H on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 09:15:24 AM EST

A question I have is ... (3.00 / 2)

... why do these people who supposedly have such a strong belief in God so fear allowing people who are suffering terribly or are virtually dead join God?
by SGlennW on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 10:11:52 AM EST

Schaivo is clearly a symbol (none / 0)

Isn't it weird how they can muster so much concern for a brain dead woman and so little for innocent people on death row and children being tortured while in U.S. custody?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 10:23:49 AM EST

The Gop should mind their own business (none / 0)

This is another example of the righties sticking their noses where it does not belong.  Tom Delay has no business poking around the death bed of a brain dead woman.  Tom Delay, Bill Frist, and the rest of the GOP, all need to stay out of our uteruses, bedrooms, and private family matters. I am just SICK of this self-righteousness!  

There are also rumors going around that her husband stands to benefit financially from her death (LIE!).  Last night Pat Robertson hinted that Mr. Schiavo may have physically abused his wife and the coma was the result of him hitting her.   My wish is that Mrs. Schiavo will experience peace as she dies. My second wish is that this incident will prove to be the undoing of the republican party's stranglehold on this country.  

by Marie Smith on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 10:30:10 AM EST

Re: The Gop should mind their own business (none / 0)

Matt Conigliaro's Abstract Appeal is the best site I've found for Terri Schiavo information, including links to pdfs of relevent court decisions.

AA's Shiavo page: http://tinyurl.com/5tcbe

Here's Conigliaro's response to the kinds of rumors Pat Robertson is helping to spread:

". . . relevant to questions about the cause of Terri's collapse is the lawsuit that Michael brought on Terri's behalf against Terri's doctors. The premise of that early 1990s lawsuit was that the doctors committed malpractice by failing to diagnose Terri's bulimia and that her bulimia led to her cardiac arrest. The case was tried to a jury, which ruled in Michael's favor, finding that Terri had bulimia, that her bulimia caused her cardiac arrest, and that the doctors were negligent in failing to diagnose the situation. The verdict was appealed, and before the appellate court could rule, the parties settled, with Michael recovering approximately $750,000 for Terri and $300,000 for himself.

. . .

The significance of the medical malpractice lawsuit can be seen in a few ways. A jury agreed that bulimia caused Terri's collapse. The defendants were her doctors -- one might think that they, of all people, would have been able to show that Terri had been beaten or strangled if that was what had occurred. Also, to believe that Michael caused Terri's collapse by beating her is to believe that Michael initiated a lawsuit against someone else for causing her collapse, opening the whole matter to serious inquiry and greatly increasing the risk that someone would discover his role."

by cs on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 12:43:53 PM EST
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so nice to see Noonan jump the shark (3.00 / 1)

I hope the Republican leadership takes her advice.

That would be a real gift.  

Let's see them all jump the shark.

Then we can convert our natural advantage on issues into a coherent attack narrative that gives us a cultural argument, a game changer politically to show how the American Taliban Right Wing fundies are trying to Take Over Your Family By Any Means Necessary.

We need the children of the people to want to change their names.  We need to make these people not like crazy cousins but like crazy, dangerous, evil brownshirts in the culture.  We need wankers like Lieberman to pontificate against the craven immorality of the so-called morality police.

That's what we need, and I'm really getting impatient for us to get there, after our wakening to success in beating back the Social Security Abolition Movement.

Reform.  Truth.  Integrity.  Shared Prosperity.  Fairness.  Equality.  Freedom.

Welcome the new "New Democrats."

Don't fuck with us.

by Pachacutec on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 11:24:45 AM EST

Damn It (none / 0)

Democrats need a loyal, mindless constituency who comse out for the elections and gets ripped off in between.
Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both
by Anthony de Jesus on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 02:09:40 PM EST

The Fall of Rome Looks Pretty Compared to All This (none / 0)

Terri Schiavo is in the condition that many social fundamentalists would like all women to be in - mute, paralyzed, and helpless to voice her physical self-determination even regarding her life or death.

They have complete control over her and they may well love that.

The judge who ruled that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube must be removed is actually acting as a true conservative - he is reaffirming the legal reality that, lacking a living will or explicit directions from Terri Schiavo, it is the husband's right and responsibility to speak for his wife in this matter.

The judge, by his decision yesterday, is also reaffirming that this is not government's business, but rather a matter left to Terri Schiavo's husband and doctors, since Terri was an adult when her heart stopped and she suffered the brain damage that put her into a coma.

There is nothing conservative, on the other hand, about the people who are destroying our government from within.

I will not speak of them, however, but of those on both sides of the aisle in the national legislature who are abetting these people in power who would dismantle our government.  

Our congressmen and senators, Democrats and Republicans alike, are choosing to distract themselves and the nation, via the media coverage of their hearings and subpoenas, using the matters of Terri Schiavo and baseball, of all things, as wedge issues to distract and  divide we citizens and to destroy their own power as a legislative body.

Congress is playing itself these days like a campaign spin room for social fundamentalists:  Rather than concentrating on the business of the People in pressing matters like the budget, foreign policy, national security, and U.S. infrastructure, Congress spends it's days interviewing bulked-up former super-athletes and busies itself by subpoenaing a woman who can neither walk, talk, nor eat for herself.

This is deconstructivism at its worst.

They have complete control over us and they may well love that.

by Patricia Taylor on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 02:42:07 PM EST


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