DLC admits Kos was right

Hahahahaha--Chris

For some time, the DLC has been lying about Barak Obama. Kos called them on it and the DLC freaked out:

Man, talk about beams and motes. The vitriol that's been poured on the DLC by Kos and several other netwarriors in the last couple of years is endless, personal, often obscene, and frankly, a little nuts. If we're as irrelevant as he keeps insisting we are, why bother? Just ignore us, and we'll go away, right? If our only value, as Kos suggests today, is to provide right-wing media with anti-Democratic quotes, then you have to wonder why so many elected officials bother to identify with us and come to our events (e.g., one today attended by Sen. Joe Biden)?

Indeed, that question seems to bother Kos as well, since his very next post begins a process of "calling out" DLC-friendly Democratic pols and asking them to disassociate themselves from us. He even took the trouble to dig down in our web page--bypassing a few hundred thousand pages of policy work, which is what we do to pass the time while waiting for the next call from Fox News--and discover that Sen. Barack Obama is still listed in our data base! Scandal! (He's in there because he recently joined the Senate New Democrat Coalition, all of whose members are in our database, which is about as controversial as a phone book).

a few hours later...

UPDATE: Turns out I was misinformed about Obama's being a member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition. The misunderstanding was based on the two different meanings of "New Democratic Senators," but we were wrong about that, and have removed his name from our Directory.

If there are any other mistakes with the list, people should call them out. Feel free to use press releases. If you work for somebody on the list, point out this is a quick and easy way for a politician to score some points with the netroots.



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too funny (3.00 / 3)

A United States Senator has been trying to get his name off the list, to no avail.

Kos blogs on it and the name is removed by the end of the day.

I wonder who will be next.

by blogswarm on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:02:45 PM EST

Behold (3.00 / 1)

the power of the blog...
Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:11:57 PM EST
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rofl (3.00 / 2)

The followup 20 minutes later is even funnier... the guy realizes that after he gets inside house and sits down in his chair, that he's got dogshit on his shoes, or is it his own?
by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:14:19 PM EST

Re: rofl (none / 0)

You have me to thank for all this.  I sent Ed an email before kos went down.

and your comment has me rotfl.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 09:28:19 PM EST
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Kos is up (none / 0)

But they are having horrible DNS problems that prevent some people (not myself) to see them.  Try using a proxy of some sort.
by Geotpf on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:31:50 PM EST
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Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

69.9.161.200

by Geotpf on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:32:19 PM EST
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Re: Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

i can still see the site but i'm not going through all the trouble there to plug my blog.  this comes one day after the network here crashed following spring break
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 10:40:33 PM EST
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Re: Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

Are you still a proud DLC member KYDEM?  Or did you quit and that was why you changed the tag to aspiring comedian.
by yitbos96bb on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 09:48:49 AM EST
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Re: Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

I am still a member and I hope to attend the convention, just a matter of what internships I get offered.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:53:19 AM EST
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Re: Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

That was a serious question BTW... I know you were a big defender a few months ago, I was curious if you still were.
by yitbos96bb on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:20:33 AM EST
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Re: Try this IP to get to them: (none / 0)

i understand but i get busy with my blog and school...
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:53:41 AM EST
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..or more likely (none / 0)

someone from Obama's staff called Kilgore and corrected their mistake.
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 02:31:05 AM EST
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Remind me why we're attacking the DLC (none / 0)

I admire a lot of the work they've done over the years.  In fact, I considered myself a DLC-leaning Democrat until early in 2003 when they went out of their way to attack Howard Dean.  I still don't understand why they did that.  As governor, Dean was an impressive fiscal manager, so it either had to be his stance on Iraq or civil unions.  If it was Iraq, then the DLC needs to get a grip on the fact that Dean was right.  If it was civil unions, then the DLC should get on board with the idea that this is an issue that should be decided by the states.

It seems strange to me that the animosity is escalating.  Even if there are policy differences, the blog community and the DLC are both working for a Democratic majority.

by ChgoSteve on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 11:44:43 PM EST

Re: Remind me why we're attacking the DLC (none / 0)

It's not about policy.  Spend some time at Kos, and you'll find their second favorite Democrat, right next to Howard Dean, is our conservative Minority Leader Harry Reid.  Reid and the DLC agree on many, many issues, but the difference is that Reid is a loyal attack dog for the Democratic Party, while the DLC truly does only right position papers because they need something to do in between phone calls to FOXNews.

What the DLC needs to understand is that policy debates are to be done behind closed door when nobody is watching.  To attempt to gain an upper hand by griping to the media is not just disloyal and underhanded, but is damaging to the Democratic movement as a whole.  I don't agree with the neo-Republicans at the DLC, but they have every right to express their opinions, so long as they fight for our team when it comes time to go to battle.  If they don't, then they truly are Republicans, and we are better off without them.

by CaptainEbo on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 12:01:09 AM EST
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I don't know that I agree with that (none / 0)

I think policy debates, even "internal" in nature, should be carried out in sunshine.

What the DLC should do is take some of their own advice about how we should all deal with people.  Instead of screaming at the rest of the party, calling it stupid for choosing policy positions they believe alienates the rest of the country, they should try to sell their ideas by explaining how a progressive agenda would benefit with more moderation.

It would be a tough sell, but right now nobody feels like listening to them even on the rare occassion where they raise a valid point.

by Drummond on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 01:15:37 AM EST
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Re: Remind me why we're attacking the DLC (none / 0)

...because they are right-wing enabling jerks

WTF:

On Second Thought....
One of the inherent risks of blogging is that once you hit that "publish" buttom, it's Out There and you can't really take it back. My last post defending myself and the DLC from a tirade by Kos will likely earn me lots of emails and links deploring my involvement in this "fight" (vindicating the school-yard axiom that nobody really cares who hits first or hardest; the Assistant Principal will punish everybody). What I should have done is to link to the screed, and then quote Woody Allen's words to the Christopher Walken character in Annie Hall:

"Excuse me, Duane, I have an appointment back on Planet Earth."

the ole "duck and pivot" GOP routine...if you can't beat them then ignore the facts and call them bad names.

This is the real reason why Kilgore doesn't have open comments...cuz he'd have to tell the truth.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 02:57:32 AM EST
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Re: Remind me why we're attacking the DLC (none / 0)

the blog community and the DLC are both working for a Democratic majority.

Basically, I'm attacking the DLC because I don't think the DLC is working for a democratic majority, and I do think the blog community is.

by Kimmitt on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 03:15:53 AM EST
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Re: Remind me why we're attacking the DLC (none / 0)

I think they are.  They just happen to be more supportive of corporate interests than most netroots Democrats are.  But there's a place for that in the party-- especially now that suburbia has become a critical battleground.  
The DLC did a respectable job of moving the party away from the unfair, but widespread, "Welfare Queen" image and they made fiscal responsibility a priority.  I don't agree with many of their positions, and I think it's time for the Democrats to refute most of their trade policies, but the party needs help reaching beyond urban enclaves and the DLC can be useful there.  
The gripe I hear most often is that DLCers give comfort to the enemy by failing to join in a united Democratic opposition to the president's policies.  Well, maybe it's time for the Dean wing and the DLC to start working together to fashion alternatives that they can both agree on.
Having said all that, I still think that Lieberman's gotta go.
by ChgoSteve on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 11:09:03 AM EST
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Screen Cap (none / 0)

I took a PDF screen cap of the DLC's list - the original, Google cache version which still has Obama's name. Let's keep track of it for any further "deletions."
by DavidNYC on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 12:19:55 AM EST

1 hour, 52 minutes from post to open-source cap (none / 0)

I can't wait to see who will be the first politician to follow Obama.
by blogswarm on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 12:25:58 AM EST
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too easy (none / 0)

And look what we find.
by blogswarm on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 01:04:02 AM EST
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What puzzles me is... (none / 0)

... why wasn't this settled in private, by email, rather than in public?

Surely it's better to deal with these things tactfully, as if everyone was on the same side, rather than openly attacking each other?

by Cameron on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 04:50:49 AM EST

Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

I've pushed 2 press releases around the globe this week.

What's one more.

Thanks, it looks as if I finally found the right group of people.  I'm very opposed to neo-liberals and wish very hard that the rest of the Dems would stand up and slap these morons down.

Hillary Clinton has never had to do hard labor in here life.  Hand her a shovel for a month and tell her she only gets 5 bucks an hour and see if she's still a neo-liberal after that.  

DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 06:54:38 AM EST

Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Ok, i'll bite.  What makes one a neo-liberal?  A neo-con vs a traditional con I can see, but neo-liberal is a new one.  Please provide me with what you feel a neo-liberal is.

If anything Hillary went from the perception of being a liberal (not sure if I would classify her as such, although I always thought she was to the left of Bill, but only slightly) and is trying to make herself over as a conservative Democrat for the WH run in the attempt to attract the middle that has failed in the last two elections, yada yada yada.  This is evident in the "Safe, Legal, Never" abortion speech she gave (A very intriguing frame actually... still calling for legal abortion but setting a goal that a woman's right to choose will never have to be exercised through better access to birth control and getting rid of abstinence only education...selling it as what to do for birth control when married and not trying to have kids) a few months ago.  Of course I have heard that to the liberal groups she has been making the traditional "Right to choose, its our body" speech so I am not sure if "liberal" Hillary is real or GOP-Lite Hillary is real.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:01:08 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Of course, what you describe is what politicans always do.  But I think the DLC style of appeasement politics encourage this poll-sniffing in a way that, ultimately, undercuts a candidate.  And this is particularly true in an a political and social environemnet where the voters want deciciveness... even if if the deciciveness yields poor results.  (Exhibit A: George Bush)

I see the same thing in Hillary Clinton that I see in Evan Bayh.  They seem to lack some sort of core, a center, that drives their primary beliefs.  (Kerry has this as well, obviously.)  Ultimately, this "finger-in-the-wind" approach serves to be their undoing.

Consistency is not the strong suit of DLC politics.  And even though Hillary may be saying the "right" things to put herself in the proper positions on key issues, I don;t think a lot of people will believe her.  

No core.  No center.  No credibility.

by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:29:07 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Poor spelling.

Crap.

by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:39:32 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Bob Johnson in the house!
by blogswarm on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:46:51 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Are you stalking me now?

Bob, I honestly encourage you to listen to the mp3 of the Colorado speech from a few weeks ago.  It's a half hour long and who says Evan Bayh has no charisma because that speech was great!

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:52:36 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

He's still a bankrupt poll-sniffer.

No thanks.

by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 11:01:28 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

Hey, at least I'm open to other candidates if my guy doesnt get the nomination or run at all.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 11:05:08 AM EST
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Re: Released 2 this week. (none / 0)

The term neoliberalism is used to describe a political-economic philosophy that had major implications for government policies beginning in the 1970s - and increasingly prominent since 1980 - that de-emphasizes or rejects positive government intervention in the economy, focusing instead on achieving progress and even social justice by encouraging free-market methods and less restricted operations of business and "development". Its supporters argue that the net gains for all under free trade and capitalism will outweigh the costs in all, or almost all, cases.

It can be contrasted with economic nationalism, fair trade and anti-capitalism, three different alternatives to neoliberalism.

The term "neoliberalism" has also been used in a theological sense as a drive to deliberately modify the beliefs and practices of the church (especially evangelical) to conform to cultural post-modernism. This entry concerns only political-economic neoliberalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:54:06 AM EST
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Don't tell me... (none / 0)

The misunderstanding was based on the two different meanings of "New Democratic Senators," but we were wrong about that, and have removed his name from our Directory.

Please don't tell me that this means that someone referred to Obama as a "new Democratic Senator," and this was mistaken for his being a "New Democrat" Senator.

Just another reason, albeit minor, why the brand name needs to be reclaimed by the Party, and doled out only for limited and officially approved use.

I believe the authority exists under the Party's Charter and Bylaws to do this. And if it's supposedly the quality of the DLC's thinking that keeps them relevant, then they ought to be able to survive just as well under some new name that doesn't cause confusion, dilute the Democratic brand, or serve to make them a too-convenient foil for lazy reporters seeking to root out conflict.

by Kagro X on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 07:50:48 AM EST

Re: Don't tell me... (none / 0)

If you believe that explanation, I have a big white mansion on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC I'll sell you...Real cheap.   Even comes with it's own security force.
by yitbos96bb on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:02:50 AM EST
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Eh....NewDonkey represents DLC? (none / 0)

A bit misleading no? I thought the DLC represents the DLC:

http://www.ndol.org/

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 08:14:36 AM EST

Re: Eh....NewDonkey represents DLC? (none / 0)

Ed Kilgore (aka "NewDonkey") is the "Policy Director" of the DLC. He is a full time employee of the DLC/Progressive Policy Institute, and his blog (along with Marshall Wittman's blog) is funded by the group.

That said, he doesn't make it too clear who he is on the bio page -- but few are more qualified to speak for the DLC on a day-to-day basis.

by matt w on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 09:52:51 AM EST
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Re: Eh....NewDonkey represents DLC? (none / 0)

Thanks, I didn't know that. Good to know. Does he state a disclaimer that he does not pretend to speak for the DLC? I would assume so if it's his private blog. Though in any case, not disclaiming his bias is not being completely forthright either.
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:57:17 AM EST
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Re: Eh....NewDonkey represents DLC? (none / 0)

He does say that his posts are not "official", though they represent the DLC's point of view. He calls it a more off-the-cuff version of the "New Dem Daily".
by matt w on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 06:40:39 AM EST
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RI : Matt Brown is listed (none / 0)

I was not at all surprised to see Rhode Island U.S. Senate candidate Matt Brown listed as a DLC-er.

Brown will likely run in a Democratic Primary against Rep. Jim Langevin (D-RI), who polls show has the only real shot of beating Sen. Lincoln Chafee.  And outside of Rhode Island, Brown is pitching his candidacy as the anti-Democratic establishment candidacy because Langevin is anti-choice.  The truth is that Langevin is 100% on all other progressive issues while Brown is pro-choice and floats down the middle on all other progressive issues.  Brown being on the DLC list only serves to prove this.    

by matthewRI on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 09:28:12 AM EST

WTF? (none / 0)

frankly, a little nuts. - nice use of Brock's Anita Hill quote. DLC: bashing Democrats so the Republicans don't have to.
by zappatero on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 10:33:32 AM EST

Feinstein in the New Democrat Coalition (none / 0)

I recently sent the following letter to Senator Diane Feinstein re her membership in the New Democrat Coalition:

Senator Diane Feinstein
United States Senate
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Re:  Senate New Democrat Coalition

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I agree with your leadership and votes on certain matters like the assault weapons band,  opposition to some of  Bush's right wing judge nominations and others.   I strongly disagree with some of your votes like the privatization of Medicare in the prescription drug bill and support for the war in Iraq.    I am a Democrat who can support someone with whom I do not agree all the time and I have supported you and voted for you in the past.  

However, at a time when it is imperative that the Democratic Party unify as much as possible I can no longer support anyone who remains a member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition.   That Coalition is supported by the Democratic Leadership Council, which is almost wholly financed by big business.    That Coalition is exclusionary of millions of Democrats and creates an official schism and factionalism in the Party that is unnecessary and unhealthy.    If I am not a New Democrat, what kind of Democrat am I?
Am I an old Democrat, a semi-Democrat, a wrongheaded Democrat, or what?

I am well aware of the history of the DLC and the Senate New Democrat Coalition.   But frankly the approach of formally dividing the Party in the way they have has proven to be a failure, and I believe will no longer be tolerated by millions of Democrats.   The DLC has a right to exist and lobby for their positions all they want, but I do not believe it is appropriate for our elected officials to form an organized faction.   Do you think it would be healthy for the grassroots progressives in the Party to pressure the progressive Senators to form an official faction?   Would that kind of a formal split be healthy for the Party?    I think not.    Parenthetically, I would note that you never hear of any such official factionalism in the Republican Party even though they encompass a lot of different views in their Party also.

In my opinion it is time for Democrats to come together and to articulate the values of the Party as Democratic values, period.   Disagreements can be discussed and hopefully resolved within a more unified context and not by organized factions of Democrats in the Senate, the House, and in state and local governments.    This is an opportune time to change the situation.    It is well before the next elections in 2006.   It is a time when the Party apparatus is being reformed to use more grassroots organizing and to emphasize a 50 state strategy.  

Therefore,  I respectfully request that you resign from the Senate New Democrat Coalition, hopefully sooner rather than later.   In addition to resigning yourself, it would be even better if you could get other Senators to resign for the same reasons, or even dissolve the New Democrat Coalition as an organization.  This can certainly be explained as an effort, not to change your views necessarily, but to end any remnants of official factionalism in the Party and to encourage all officials to come together to articulate our common Democratic values.  

Thank you for listening and for your consideration of my request.

Sincerely,

by BDBinPas on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 11:28:29 AM EST

Re: Feinstein in the New Democrat Coalition (none / 0)

In checking the DLC site to see if Barack Obama was deleted from the New Democrat Coalition,  I noticed that Ken Salazar has been removed from the list as well.  He was on the list earlier this year.  Even though these guys are voting like NeoDems too much, maybe it is becoming unpopular to be formally associated with those positions.  That is a step in the right direction.
by BDBinPas on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 12:13:05 PM EST
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The problem here was (none / 0)

These two were Newly elected to the senate as Democrats.

So they were "new democrats".

But they weren't "New Democrats".

by Geotpf on Wed Mar 16, 2005 at 08:38:45 PM EST
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