Funeral March, Save the Netroots, and Open Thread

I'll be leaving in a little while to attend a Funeral March for Social Security at 4pm. It starts at 12th and Market, and ends at Santorum's office. Swing State Project should be liveblogging, and we will have some video from the event as well.

If you are in Philly, kick off work early to come join. Wear black.

Also, show some support for the online coalition to defend the netroots from FEC regulation.

Otherwise, use this as an open thread.



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Reid should Be held accountable for his Vote (3.00 / 1)



Nevada is 4th in the nation on the Household's per filing list.

The Bankruptcy bill was the easiest fight the Democrats could have.

Joe Lieberman and Chris Dodd voted NO.

By voting yes, Harry Reid, has enabled any Democrat who voted yes to say "I was just followin' orders from the boss."

Dick Durbin (minority whip) voted NO.

Grassroots from BOTH PARTIES hated this bill.

This bill disenfranchises those whom the Democrats BY DEFINITION should be defending, the poor and misfortunate.

By voting yes on this bill Harry Reid has slapped any and all pregressive democrats in the face.

However, look around the left side of the blogosphere... Silence.  Crickets. With the exception of Politology. Nothing from the so called crusaders for justice.

Ignoring this vote is toeing the line.

Shame on you all.
by media in trouble on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 03:32:01 PM EST

Re: Reid should Be held accountable for his Vote (none / 0)

I hate this bill and I hate his vote on it, but I am not going to crucify a guy who has been fighting for the party hard based on one vote.  Yes it disgusts me, but I didn't like everything Clinton supported as policy either.  I said I give Reid a B for his effort as Minority leader and this bill is the primary reason it wasn't an A.  But his support of it is hardly new news.  He has been for it since it was being negotiated.  I think he was part of the negotiations.  Why weren't you outraged then?
by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 04:14:18 PM EST
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Re: Reid should Be held accountable for his Vote (none / 0)

I generally agree with your take on things except for the part about being outraged earlier. This bill snuck up on me and I wasn't aware of it until late in the game. I don't think that's an accident as it seems as if other parts of the lefty blogosphere didn't see it coming either.
by Curt Matlock on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 10:18:35 PM EST
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DLC Power Play (3.00 / 1)

This bill was locked and loaded before it was voted out of committee by Biden, Feinstein and Kohl. This bill was locked and loaded when Pelosi and Reid insisted, and Dean agreed, that the DNC Chair does not speak for the party on policy issues.

This bill has been in the legislative hopper for eight years. For reasons of their own, the DLC decided this was a good bill to exercise their clout. There is no way any bill gets through the Senate as fast as this one did, without a back-room bi-partisan agreement.

In addition, there is no way that a bill gets through the Senate this fast, unless the entire Senate Democratic Caucus agrees to let it pass. A filibuster is not the only way for a determined minority to slow down legislation in the Senate. There are all kinds of parliamentarian procedures for slowing down a bill.

The only way this bill got through so fast is because the DLC put political pressure on the rest of the caucus to allow it to get to final passage without serious impediment. In at least an implicit sense, every single Senate Democrat signed off on this legislation.

There is no question that Sen. Reid is individually responsible as well. Sen. Reid has the reputation of being the 2nd best Democratic parliamentarian in the Senate, right behind Sen. Robert Byrd. Doesn't it seem a little peculiar that the two best parliamentarians in the Senate voted for this bill?

Nothing else makes sense. They even got Senator Byrd to agree not to slow this turkey down.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 04:29:21 PM EST
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Re: Reid should Be held accountable for his Vote (3.00 / 1)

I have seen a lot of vitriol and hate directed at the Senate Dems in the last couple of days because of the bankruptcy bill.   I have especially seen it directed at Harry Reid.  I am not a Harry apologist, there is a super long list of Harry votes with which I disagree (bankruptcy bill included), but for those folks thinking about taking a hiatus from Democratic Party activism, I'd like to remind you that Ralph Nader is not in the US Senate, but Harry Reid is.  Folks may have a great time hating Harry but I sent DSCC a fat donation after Harry called Alan Greenspan a "political hack" on March 3rd.  But that's just me.  I love red meat.   I'd like to take a second to remind folks of the bankruptcy bill floor fight over the last several days and dozens of amendments offered by Senate Dems.  If folks want to give hard earned $ and volunteer time to the Greens and Ralph that's cool, I love the Greens and I love Ralph, but the simple reality is that if the Democrats did not lose four seats in the Senate in 2004, the bankruptcy bill would never have gotten out of the Senate.  The financial industry has been trying to get this bill (or one like it) out of the Senate for years.  Now that the D's are not there in sufficient numbers to block it the industry is taking its shot.   We lost this one.  My heartfelt suggestion is to find a viable D Senate or House campaign, and channel your energy, enthusiasm and anger in that direction.  It has been said a bazillion times but I will say it again: just voting is not enough.   If your candidate loses, feel free to throw up your hands and write BLOCK LETTER ANGRY BLOG POSTS, use the f-word and get all righteous and shit, but then find a viable D Senate or House campaign and start working toward 2008.  I, like many others, believe that the battles fought in these times are for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party.  Howard Dean is just one step in a long, long trip back to where the Democratic Party is once again the major progressive force for economic security and a strong middle class.  I extend my heartfelt invitation for you to come along.
by champlain on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 07:46:38 PM EST
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Maybe it should be a march for Bankruptcy (none / 0)

It should be a march for bankruptcy protection.
by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 04:11:29 PM EST

Open Thread Comment on Dump Joe Moves in CT (none / 0)

I cross-posted this on the DFA blog as well.  Sorry for the duplication, I know some folks don't go into that blog.

I'm feeling a lot of clarity today, so I want to weigh in publicly on something that's going on within DFA in Connecticut and with the Dump Joe Lieberman brouhaha that's finally emerging in the media because of articles in the Greenwich Times, the NY Times, and on ZWire and in the blogs.

I'm not privvy to a lot of DFA CT stuff anymore.  I've taken myself off a lot of lists and I've limited my activity to helping out people in New Haven when I can, attending some of the MeetUps there, and supporting any positive action being taken that I agree with on a local/state/federal level.

I have been trying avidly in the last year to more and more steer myself into only doing what is positive and towards my values and staying out of negative or empty action on any level.

Both the Democrats and Republicans are in trouble in this area, in my opinion.

This has been a good thing for me personally and remarkably effective in terms of the things I've chosen to support or engage in both personally and publicly.

It's the way to go folks.

There have been a small number of Dean people here in CT involved actively in working to boot Joe Lieberman out of office.

I do agree that Joe Lieberman is a bad representative.  I will never vote for him again.

I disagree with much of what he's chosen to stand for in the last few years.

But I do not agree that the way to get him out of office is to engage in secretive, potentially libelous campaigning or smear tactics.

Early on, I told one of the people who is instrumental in this effort that I'd support his activity.  That was a mistake and I withdraw that support.

I will not support that effort with either money or with action or my name.

I am concerned that bad judgement and poor values on the part of the people involved in this effort will not only hurt DFA but that this effort and the way it is proceeding is hurting the people involved and will actually do nothing towards defeating Lieberman in his next primary here in CT.

The way to get rid of bad politicians is to find good ones and support them and work for them.  Period.

I believe that DFA in CT is being used to hide behind, in this effort, as well, and that is something that I will not abide.

I feel that my affinity, my connection, with the core values that Howard Dean expressed in his campaign for the presidency IS the real heart of DFA.

No political operatives, no power-players, no executives, can take that affinity, that knowledge, that belief system away from me.

Hope.  Not fear.

by Patricia Taylor on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 06:02:41 PM EST

No mention of arnold propaganda? (none / 0)

Apparently he's learned a few tricky from bushypoop. His administration's been masquerading propaganda for various reforms as legitimate news media. Ok, now he's pissing me off because I hate propaganda more than I hate politicians.
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 10:42:05 PM EST

I tell you...Yahoo boards are beautiful. (none / 0)

I have never seen such an energetic bastion of Bush haters anywhere else on the net...in the ongoing flame wars between libs and cons, the libs are completely overwhelming the bushtards and it happens to be hilarious. Nothing like bushbashing to brighten my day!
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 01:44:18 AM EST

Social Security (none / 0)

This country is in a helluva mess. We have promised benefits we have no chance of paying for. And Social Security is not the worst problem..Medicare is a nightmare, Medicaid is swamped, other welfare programs must be paid for.

It is time for the politicos to recognize that we can't afford all this. Not even if they tax the hell out of the rich.

The payroll tax burden is restraining hiring and reducing productivity...and it cannot realistically be increased. Lifting the cap is no solution...not enough money to be generated. Not to speak of the problem of increased benefits for the extra taxes...unless we depart from the concept of social insurance and shift to a completely separate system and call it part of the general welfare program. Even then, the money has to come from somewhere.

We need to tighten requirements for all these social welfare programs...limit eligibility to those in need, and limit the benefits even those can get. It is time to forget the idea that someone else will pay for your needs. The lack of responsibility is shocking.

Jim

by jimbrocky on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 03:26:34 PM EST

I am very sorry (none / 0)

Yes,I think something has project that
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by markcqq on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 02:59:12 AM EST


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