CT-Sen: Weicker Will Not Challenge Lieberman... Right?

Color me disappointed. Liberal Republican turned independent Lowell Weicker will not be stepping up to challenge Sen. Joe Lieberman in next year's midterms, even though he thinks someone should take him on. Lieberman actually won his Senate seat from Weicker after challenging him unsurprisingly from the right. After losing the Senate seat, Weicker became an independent and was elected Governor of Connecticut in 1990. In 2004, he was an early and vocal supporter of Howard Dean's run for the Presidential nomination.

There had been some speculation that Weicker would return to electoral politics to oust Lieberman, and more than a few progressive Democrats expressed their hope that he would. After all, Weicker has been quite critical of the Bush administration, especially on the Iraq War.

"I have seen this country propagandized into war," said Weicker, a Republican-turned-independent. "It's now a second wave of propagandizing, with the president taking the stump, joined by persons like Senator Joe Lieberman."

Now, the interesting thing about Weicker saying that he won't challenge Lieberman is that he might not have to in order to get back into the Senate. Talk has ramped up once again that Lieberman may be tapped to replace Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld's Pentagon has found itself at the center of a number of controversies lately, and getting rid of him -- and replacing him with an ideological ally like Lieberman -- would make sense for the Bush administration.

But would Weicker get into the race if Lieberman wasn't running?

While Weicker, 74, said he will not challenge Lieberman, he did not entirely rule out returning someday to the Senate seat he held for 18 years.

"You're not going to tell somebody in politics for 32 years you have no interest at all," he said.

If Lieberman is tapped to join the administration, Governor Jodi Rell would appoint his replacement, probably a Republican Congressman like Chris Shays. While Weicker has said he's not interested in challenging Lieberman, it seems likely to me that he would take his chances in an essentially open race. If that's the case, unless they can come up with a stellar candidate, I'd suggest the Democrats get behind Weicker.

UPDATE: As a number of people pointed out in the comments, a very different story is running in this morning's Hartford Courant.

Weicker told reporters Monday after a speaking engagement before the Hartford Rotary Club that he reluctantly would consider taking on that role, but only if no other credible anti-war candidate stepped forward. . . . If he ran, Weicker said, his campaign against Lieberman would revolve around a single issue: Lieberman's support for invading Iraq and remaining there, a decision that has cost the U.S. 2,100 war dead and damaged the nation's credibility around the world.
This is of course quite at odds with the AP reporting:

Despite some speculation to the contrary, Weicker said he would not run against Lieberman, a Democrat who ousted him from the Senate in 1988.
And the closest thing to a confirmation of a run comes from the man himself. I'm sure you've noticed that none of the other stories actually quote Weicker directly, but instead report the gist of his comments. But The Connecticut Post does quote Weicker and it certainly sounds to me as if he's running.

"To me the issue is the war," Weicker told reporters after the speech. "I feel so deeply about how wrong this war is that I'd be willing to put my head on the line. I don't think I'd have much of a chance, probably."
Confused yet? I know I am.



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Hartford Courant: Weicker considering run, Dec 6th (none / 0)

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-weicker1206.artdec06,0,6569786.story?coll=hc-headlines-local

Former Senator Lowell Weicker (R)
Weicker told reporters Monday after a speaking engagement before the Hartford Rotary Club that he reluctantly would consider taking on that role, but only if no other credible anti-war candidate stepped forward.

If he ran, Weicker said, his campaign against Lieberman would revolve around a single issue: Lieberman's support for invading Iraq and remaining there, a decision that has cost the U.S. 2,100 war dead and damaged the nation's credibility around the world.

Weicker said he is called frequently, usually by Democrats, to consider a run against Lieberman. He also said he has heard from one or two prominent Democrats, whom he would not identify, who are interested in opposing Lieberman.

Sounds like good news to me...

by MinnyBean on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 03:17:03 AM EST

New Haven Register; Weicker threatens to take on (3.00 / 1)

Lieberman's support of Bush on Iraq war has Weicker pondering Senate run
Gregory B. Hladky, Capitol Bureau Chief
12/06/2005
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 HARTFORD -- Former Gov. Lowell P. Weicker Jr. warned Monday that he might run as an independent against Democratic U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman next year to protest Lieberman's strong support for the Iraq war.

I think the headline needs to be changed...

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15698650&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=566835& amp;rfi=6

Weicker said he WILL run (according to the Register) if no prominent Democrat challenges Lieberman.

by MinnyBean on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 03:20:49 AM EST

Weicker threatens to challenge Lieberman (none / 0)

There certainly is a dispute over Weicker's intention. Running against Lieberman would make him the most popular Republican in the Democratic Party. Let's hope this encourages primary challenges for Hillary and Feinstein. It's time for the Democratic Party to pay attention to the thunder on the left, instead of pandering to quasi-Republican centrists.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 04:26:53 AM EST
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There is no dispute..... (none / 0)

The article makes it clear that Weicker will run, as an independent, if a Democrat doesn't step up to oppose Lieberhawk.
Memo to neocons: I respect your right to have an opinion, but I just don't want to hear it anymore.
by blogus on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 06:39:08 AM EST
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Re: There is no dispute..... (none / 0)

And, fwiw, this article says that he WILL run as an independent:

http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_3282819

Tim

by Tim Tagaris on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 09:38:47 AM EST
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Challenging Lieberman? (3.00 / 1)

I can't understand the strategy of challenging Lieberman. What is the point of alienating the breadth of the party's appeal coming up to elections in 06 and 08? Can you imagine the stick Republicans could use to beat us, "The Democrats are so left wing they kicked out Joe Lieberman."

We need to start recognizing that to influence policies we have to win first. From a principled perspective if you're against the war I can understand it, but the Democratic Party is not just the anti-war party, and just because a candidate feels differently he shouldn't be forced out or attacked. We need to be inclusive, and the nation desperately needs an atmosphere of inclusivity at a time when this Administration have governed so repugnantly and divisively.

by GrahamChristopher on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 05:48:40 AM EST

Re: Challenging Lieberman? (none / 0)

i don't think we can worry too much about which stick the republicans are going to beat us with...because they will find their own or use one of ours.  the idea that Lieberman will work for the admin is a bigger stick to hit us with than the twig created from us being critical of the senator.  
by chamben on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 09:01:37 AM EST
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Re: Challenging Lieberman? (none / 0)

I'm all for inclusivity, but you can't reasonably include people who directly oppose your key principles. We wouldn't accept and include Bush as one of us (a progressive), because he has shown that he opposes our most important priorities.

Lieberman does not oppose as much as Bush, so I'm all for including him where he will work for us.  But he is directly opposed to the essential realities and necessities of dealing with the Iraq Debacle. As such, I'm interested in an opportunity to replace him with someone who has demonstrated that they will better represent our priorities, whether they are "included" under the same party label or not.

Such opportunities are called "elections."

Tim Wolfe
by bruorton on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 10:29:34 AM EST
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Re: Challenging Lieberman? (none / 0)

Two things:  first if Lieberman was only bad on the war, I would be more inclined to agree with your post.  At the very least I would want to know alot of specifics on where Weicker is on a vast number of domestic-economic issues.  But Lieberman is bad on every issue but choice and the environment.  Plus, as long as he is in the Senate and the Republicans are in the majority, he will constantly sell out our party by cutting a deal with them.  Second, I have no fear of what the Republicans might say about this.  I think Democrats worry way too much about what the Republicans might say in general, and in this matter in particular, since Lieberman has no national following at all, what ever the Republicans say wont hurt a bit.
Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:40:42 AM EST
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"Only bad on the war" would be enough (none / 0)

It's not the same as, say, "only bad on tort reform."

I agree with the rest of your post.

It would be better for Weicker to run as a Dem, however, because him running as an indy could ruin what little chance we have of retaking the Senate if it allows the Repug to sneak through.

"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:44:28 PM EST
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Re: "Only bad on the war" . . . (none / 0)

My understanding (guess?) is that Weicker wont run as a Republican for two reasons.  First, he is unlikely to win the primary if he has an opponent and second, it is hard for me to imagine him getting along with the current conservatives who dominate that party in the Senate.  I think he will run as an independant.  I think he'd havea fair chance to win against two hardline pro-war opponents.  If so, it will be important for him to declare that he would vote for the Dems in organizing the Senate.
Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 04:07:17 PM EST
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Re: Challenging Lieberman? (none / 0)

     Lieberman has a reasonable record on a number of issues, but he himself never raises those issues when on television or radio. He constantly hectors the party on the war and issues of national security. He also provided cover for the administration on Abu Gharib, raising 9/11 when there were absolutely no comparisons between the two.
     And can anyone really forgive his holier-than-thou pronouncments on any number of issues from Clinton's transgressions to sexual content on television. Lieberman has relished taking a contrary position to the party and/or the "liberal culture" that it represents. He's made his entire reputation as a media whore based on his willingness to bash us every chance he's given. He's no friend to the Democratic Party and if Weicker is willing to caucus with us, then I'm willing to say, "Sic 'em, Lowell!"
by Lokileague on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:56:26 AM EST
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Not the Democrats (none / 0)

If Weicker runs, it will be as an indie.  So it will be the voters who kicked out Lieberman.  Weicker will surely caucus with us, a la Jeffords, though.
by Geotpf on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 07:18:44 PM EST
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Recruit Blumenthal? (3.00 / 0)

Could CT Dems convince Blumenthal to run if Lieberman does replace Rummy? Isn't Lieberman up for re-election next year? If so, Rell could only appoint someone to complete his current term; that person would obviously be 1)GOP and 2)frontrunner in '06 election. BUT, CT is a Blue state and any Dem with name recognition should be able to win.
by GeorgiaDem on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 07:58:03 AM EST

Re: Recruit Blumenthal? (none / 0)

The only problem with drafting Blumenthal -- something I wouldn't mind seeing -- is that he's also up for re-election as AG in 2006. Would he take the chance to go after the seat he's apparently always coveted? Maybe. After all, Lieberman burned him in 2000 by running for VP and re-election to his Senate seat at the same time. Prior to that decision, it was assumed that Blumenthal would be the Senate nominee.
by Scott Shields on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:07:07 PM EST
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Re: Recruit Blumenthal? (none / 0)

Blumenthal will be our next Senator if Joe leaves before the party convention May to take the SOD post.

No Republican Rell could appoint to his seat, including herself, could defeat Blumenthal, who would certainly run for the office in November.

by Chris MC on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 01:49:39 PM EST
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The Far-Right Leftie (none / 0)

Lieberman has always enjoyed being as far right as the dem party would let him.  i remember him getting booooo-ed at the union debate in '03, talking about moderate and fiscal conservative ideals.  He's right (Right) on the economy...he's wrong on the war.  McCain seems to make the most sense with the war.  McCain made a strong point on Meet the Press last Sunday about how Iraq isn't Vietnam...or at least not 1965 Vietnam.    
it's interesting that Hiliary Clinton and John Edwards have both issued a "I was Wrong" letters about their support on the war.
though Dems will forgive both of them, republicans aren't interested in the subtle components of how a Dem forgets bad decisions about big issues such as Iraq.  

by chamben on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 08:57:42 AM EST

Nice thought, but... (none / 0)

In the event of a Republican placeholder (in Lieberman's absence), it sounds like the Dems could do much worse than get behind an independent, such as Weicker... as has been done in VT. However, with Lieberman gone, I'm pretty sure there would be a flood of interest from CT Dems no longer beholden to a senior politician (nominally) from their party.

That is to say, realisticly, Weicker does not command the history of electoral prowess that Bernie Sanders does, to make Dems realize that opposing him would be counter-productive. With Lieberman running for re-election, I think Weicker would be terrific for Progressives to rally around. But against a Republican, I think some strong Dems would quickly appear who have been longing for a shot at Lieberman's empty seat.

Tim Wolfe
by bruorton on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 10:20:56 AM EST

Confusing (none / 0)

but this much is clear, from the NYT article today:

"When you've become the president's best friend on the war in Iraq, you should not be in office, especially if you're in the opposing party," Mr. Weicker, 74, said in a phone interview from his home in Essex, Conn. "I'm going to do everything I can to see that Joe Lieberman does not get a free pass."
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"If he's out there scot-free and nobody will do it, I'd have to give serious thought to doing it myself, and I don't want to do it," added Mr. Weicker, an independent, who said he had been opposed to the war from the beginning.

Frankly, I'd take Chris Shays (R) over Lieberman (D) in the Senate every day. He's a better person.

by tparty on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:08:05 AM EST

Register your discontent now.. Online Poll (none / 0)

Both the NH Register and Hartford Courant now have stories from last nights Rotary club meeting in which Weicker said he would run if no other Democrat stepped up against Lieberman.

The Hartford Courant online is running one of those side bar polls. Vote for Weicker or other. (Or lieberman if you think this is all hooey)

At the moment Lieberman is winning 53.2% [306 votes] to Weicker's 38.6% [222 votes]. Other: 8.2% [47 votes]

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-weicker1206.artdec06,0,6569786.story?coll=hc-headlines-home/
If all politics is local- then it's time to support your local Democratic Town Committee.
by JJonMyDD on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:23:43 AM EST

going through the primary (none / 0)

Weicker could win the primary contest.
by Matt Stoller on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:33:14 AM EST

Re: going through the primary (none / 0)

Weicker has said he would run as an independent.
by Paleo on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 03:25:40 PM EST
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Weicker Can Not Beat Lieberman? (none / 0)

Are any of you people actually from Connecticut.  I am and was living there when Weicker was governor.  Before Weicker, Connecticut had no state income tax.  Weicker's lasting legacy is that he institued one.  

Raising taxes may be a bad thing to bring to a policital campaign, but inventing a new tax for the state is electoral death.  The general concensus at the time was that Weicker was so pissed at being kicked out of the Senate, he created his political party and orchestrated his independent win in the governor's race for the sole purpose of instituting a state income tax, and saying a big fuck you to the people of Connecticut.  Of course he did not run for a second term, and has not run for election since then.  

Lieberman can definately be beat in a primary, but he can not be beat by Weicker.  Hell, I dont think Weicker could beat me.  

Winston kept his back turned to the telescreen. It was safer, though, as he well knew, even a back can be revealing.
by Winston Smith on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 03:45:18 PM EST


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