Pederson in Arizona Taking on Unpopular Senator Kyl

How much do people like Arizona's Jon Kyl?  Ask his friends.

"He used to drive a Corvette. A guy that drives a Corvette can't be all that boring," said C.A. Howlett, a lobbyist who has known Kyl for 30 years.

"Jon Kyl is not a riotously funny guy,'' Howlett said, ``but he's very likable. He's got good Midwestern values and he's very sensitive to people."

So he's boring and not funny.  And those are the compliments.  I guess I'll add another compliment.  He's 'vulnerable'.

Arizona's not an easy place for a Democrat, with Republicans having a 5 point registration advantage.  Wealthy developer and Democrat Jim Pederson is behind Kyl, 50%-30%, with 7% going to 'other' and 14% undecided.  Pederson, though, has the money to compete, and he will make it a race.  I put up the SurveyUSA tracking poll for Kyl at the bottom of the post, and you can see it's not a good trend for him.  Pederson is a strong ally of Governor Napolitano, who is one of the most popular figures in the state.

There are two things that make this contest interesting.  One, Kyl has high disapproval ratings, and the race hasn't even started.  This is important, because one thing Senators have is a sort of cushion from regular criticism.  They serve 6 year terms, have a fair amount of constituent relationship power, and are seen on TV bringing back money to the state all the time.  As a result, they have high approval ratings sort of built-in, but these ratings come down to earth where there's a contest and a debate.  Among Democrats, Kyl pulls in a 33% approval rating.  Among liberals, Kyl pulls in a 34% approval rating.  That means that the base isn't solidified, because there isn't a race yet.  Once Pederson gets going, Democrats will line up behind their candidate.  In other words, people are right now looking at a nice handsome man who is bringing in military spending and sponsoring the 'Puppies are Nice' bill and saying 'I approve of this man'.  Once there's actually a contest, that number is going to drop like a stone.

The numbers tell more of the story.  Arizona Senator John McCain is beloved, while the Senator from K Street Kyl is not.  McCain's approval/disapproval is 67-28, a 39 point gap.  Kyl's is 46-39, a 7 point gap.  That's a 32 point difference in net approval between the two Senators.  This is one place where McCain's 'maverick' reputation could seriously hurt the Republicans.  Kyl is a Bush lacky, and Pederson can and will continue to point out that he serves Washington DC and not Arizona, unlike his fine straight talking colleague John McCain.  That will work, especially with immigration on the table and anger towards Bush on that issue (I think that might be where the other 7 points marked 'other' is going).

And Kyl is way out of practice.  Check out this 'character piece':

Kyl generally stays out of the limelight. But heading into the 2006 election against a well-funded Democratic challenger, the 63-year-old senator acknowledges he will have to work harder to draw attention to himself.

``Sometimes it's a help because I can get a lot done without being bothered'' by reporters, he said. ``It's just when it comes time to run for re-election, it's nice if people know what you did.''

So no one's been paying attention to him, he's got relatively high disapprovals for someone out of the limelight, and he's undefined.  Interesting.  

And then there's immigration.  That's the wedge which will make it difficult for Kyl to run away from Bush.

Democrat Jim Pederson's campaign is looking to exploit differences between Arizona Republican Sens. John McCain and Jon Kyl on immigration as Pederson mounts an uphill battle against Kyl.

While McCain has staked out a middle-of-the-road position on illegal immigrants, co-sponsoring a bill with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), Kyl has remained closer to his party's conservative base.

With Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), Kyl, who is in his second term, is spearheading legislation that, unlike the McCain-Kennedy bill, stresses border enforcement and makes no room for guest workers.

Pederson, a real-estate developer and former chairman of the Arizona Democratic Party, supports the McCain-Kennedy bill, which grants citizenship to illegal immigrants who live in the United States for six years and pay a $2,000 fine.

"The stark policy differences between John McCain and Jon Kyl will absolutely be an issue in this campaign," Pederson spokeswoman Selena Shilad said. "Immigration reform is a pretty typical example of Jon Kyl's approach to tough issues. ... McCain has said that Kyl's bill `borders on fantasy,' and it simply doesn't have a broad base of support."

Kyl is an unpopular Senator, tied to Bush, and on his best issue - immigration demagoguery - John McCain calls Kyl's bill a 'fantasy'.  Wow.  And John McCain, keep in mind, is Kyl's campaign Chair.

Kyl could use fewer compliments from friends, I suppose.



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Sooo (none / 0)

Kyl leads Pederson by 20 points and he's vulnerable. Napolitano leads Goldwater by 20 points and she's unbeatable.

two words: Mc-Cain. You know it's just a matter of time before he comes out with a commercial where he practically dryhumps Jon Kyl.

by zt155 on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:30:48 AM EST

Re: Sooo (none / 0)

I never said Napolitano was unbeatable.  In fact I've never written about that race.

If I were to write about Napolitano, I'd start with the unfaves, which is what really matters one year out.

by Matt Stoller on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:45:26 AM EST
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We won't win this race, period. (none / 0)

I'm tired of wasting excitement on races that we will never win.  I think the AZ Democratic Party should run against Kyl like maniacs, trash his reputation, show how wrong neocons are on the issues, everything that will help us win local races in 06 and the White House in 08 - but the rest of us should forget about this race and focus on:
  • Pennsylvania - we lead the race
  • Ohio - we lead or are close in that race
  • Missouri - we are running in a statistical dead heat
  • Montana - we are down, but Burns is SO vulnerable because of his low approval numbers and ties to the Culture of Corruption.
  • Rhode Island - well, just because how can we NOT win in Rhode Island?

I enjoy reading these pieces I guess, but let's not get our hopes up.
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by Robert P on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 07:53:43 AM EST

if Pederson drops about $10m of his own money... (none / 0)

the seat is competitive. otherwise, not so much.
by johnny longtorso on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 09:41:09 AM EST
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We Can Do This (none / 0)

I disagree.  While this race will take work, I believe Kyl is eminently beatable.  Janet Napolitano has demonstrated the way to Dem victory in Arizona, and her formidable statewide machine will be available to Pederson--she owes him big, and she won't need to tax it much for her own re-election.  Potential opponents have been dropping like flies, including the bombastic "Foghorn Leghorn" JD Hayworth, whose own close ties to Abramoff will give him heartburn in his newly-shrunk stomach.  

The registration numbers are a bit misleading--Arizona has a large reservoir of independent voters, and they are more comfortable with the more moderate McCain and his approach to immigration.  Jim Pederson's not exactly "Mr. Excitement, but Jon Kyl is a hard-right apologist for Bush and the Neocons, and I don't think that's gonna fly in Arizona next year.  Arizona went for Clinton and Napolitano, and I think Pederson '06 is doable.

by Jalapeno on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 10:15:17 AM EST
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Re: We Can Do This (none / 0)

A lot depends on the economy.
by Matt Stoller on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 10:46:41 AM EST
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Re: We Can Do This (none / 0)

and the war in Iraq...
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by Robert P on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 02:15:13 PM EST
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Re: We Can Do This (none / 0)

and the corruption trials...
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by Robert P on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 02:15:31 PM EST
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Re: We Can Do This (none / 0)

...and the immigration situation...
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by Robert P on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 02:15:46 PM EST
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Let's remember (none / 0)

Kyl has THE MOST conservative voting record in the Senate. It's tough to be further outside the mainstream than he is, and if you can reach the middle of the road voters on this point, there's plenty of ground to be gained.
by Lucas O'Connor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 10:24:35 AM EST

Irresponsible Hype (none / 0)

Why do I remember reading recently (perhaps on this site?) that an incumbent polling at 50 or better is in great shape? Why does it not make sense to this old political war horse that a relatively anonymous (read: doesn't offend people) Republican in a Republican state who is up 20 points isn't really vulnerable?

And by the way, Pederson may be rich, but the guy is a political novice (at least in terms of running himself, which is all that matters) and about as exciting as a telephone poll. And as far as the immigration issue goes, as a resident of the southwest, let me tell you, Kyl's hardline position will HELP him, not hurt, and not only with Republicans. Sad, but true.

Pederson may well close the gap, but it will end up being about a 5-7 point win, which is roughly the margin Repubs hold in registration in AZ.

Please let's focus elsewhere. We've lost way too many cause celebre's lately in the blogosphere. In fact, we haven't really won one since Obama. It's time to focus on reality.

by ColoDem on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 11:41:43 AM EST

Re: Irresponsible Hype (none / 0)

Where did I write that this one was in the bag?  I didn't.  So stop putting words in my mouth.

And please, one blog post is not excessive focus on a race.  Jeez.

The Cook political report - the best handicapper in the business - puts this race as a likely Republican, which is not a sure thing.

If gas prices go up again or the economy tanks, this is a winnable seat.  

by Matt Stoller on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 11:49:10 AM EST
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Democrats, Republicans, AND Independents (none / 0)

Writing about a 5% GOP registration advantage doesn't accurately capture the divisions in the electorate.

In Colorado, the GOP enjoys a similar registration advantage -- but in reality, there are three roughly equal voter blocks: Republicans, Democrats, and Unaffiliateds. I can't find the real numbers, but it's something like GOP 35%, Dems 30%, Independents 30%, and third party 5%.

There is a strong libertarian bent in the West (remember that Goldwater fella?) and the Big Gov'mint Big Brother GOP ideology-over-pragmatism crowd is turning off everyone except the kool-aid drinkers.

Four or five years ago, I read a long article in TNR or The American Prospect (I've looked but can't find it) that discussed the substantive differences between Western and Eastern Democrats. In the East, government activism is high on the Democrats priority list; in the West, it's far more libertarian.

Robert Kuttner wrote this over the summer:

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=9861

True West -- At the Democratic Party's Western States Caucus in Montana, evidence abounds of a region "red on the outside, blue on the inside."

From WesternDemocrat: The Democratic Party and the country as a whole would benefit from a more pragmatic and libertarian philosophy of government.

http://www.westerndemocrat.com/2005/11/keep_looking_we.html

Brian Switzer is the best at understanding the shifting terrain of Western politics, and getting on the right side of the BushCo-GOP-CorporoFascist power grab.

In Colorado, Bush is at 55% disapproval -- what are his numbers in Arizona?

Nepalitano gets it -- if Pederson takes his cues from her and other Western Democrats, instead of the Beltway Brain Deads, he will have a shot.

by ck on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:44:15 PM EST
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Re: Democrats, Republicans, AND Independents (none / 0)

Well-stated--you captured the differences, and I don't think Arizonans and Westerners will be enthralled with the Republocrats snooping their e-mail and spending like drunken sailors!  Bush's disapprove is about the same here.  Apart from fundraisers, the association will only hurt Kyl.  

Yeah, ol' Barry was quite the Libertarian toward the end--on abortion, gay rights, etc.  Clinton visited him in the hospital and won the state!

by Jalapeno on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:38:48 PM EST
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Still Doable! (none / 0)

I'm sure Schumer didn't include Arizona in his 7 target seats for no reason.  A statewide poll showed the moderate immigration stance prevailing by a wide margin...and Janet's machine is not to be underestimated, believe me.  I sure wouldn't give up on this one...and it's telephone pole.
by Jalapeno on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 11:59:35 AM EST

10 Highly Most Competitive US Senate Races-2006 (none / 0)

The 10 most highly competitive US Senate Races in 2006 is
1)Pennsylvania
2)Missouri
3)Ohio
4)Montana
5)Rhode Island
6)Tennessee
7)Minnesota
8)Maryland
9)New Jersey
10)Michigan or Washington
by CMBurns on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:14:34 PM EST

Senator Kyl's Negatives Rise Like Yeasty Dough (none / 0)

Here is where Senator Jon Kyl negative approval ratings will rise:

He voted for:

No Child Left Behind

Medicare Doughnuts and HMO Privatization Schemes

Patriot Act

Immigration that exploits and punishes the work force

Iraq Forever

Every No Tax and Spend (borrow) GOP Budget

Tax Breaks for the 1% Most Wealthy People on the Planet

Censorship of Just About All Media

This is but a partial list. More to come...

by charlesaugust on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:49:21 PM EST

Re: Senator Kyl's Negatives Rise Like Yeasty Dough (none / 0)

I think that the Medicare issue is a HUGE one to be playing up in this race. Arizona is a big retirement destination and if we can mobilize angry seniors, immigrants and the new age environmentalists that's a huge chunk of Arizona.
by Lucas O'Connor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:55:36 PM EST
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Seniors (none / 0)

Janet's got the seniors mobilized down to the block.  Another good demographic is females, even Republican moderates.  They're crazy for Janet, and will be put off by Kyl's radical stands.
by Jalapeno on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 03:06:22 PM EST
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Was the king of mall sprawl (none / 0)

the best we could do? Because I find myself rooting for Kyl on this one. Pederson may have done more harm to his state and its culture and environment than Kyl ever will as a mediocre, ineffective senator.

The American West has serious environmental issues that must be dealt with in the next decade -- including water conservation, urban sprawl, air quality, etc. And Pederson is absolutely the wrong man to have on "our side."

by peacemonger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 02:25:47 PM EST

Re: Was the king of mall sprawl (none / 0)

He's just another developer out here, and public parks, national forests, and preserves make up 60-70% of Arizona land.  He does have a compelling up-from-destitute poverty story...
by Jalapeno on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 03:04:25 PM EST
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Only problem with Pederson (none / 0)

is that Arizonans are fiercely anti-illegal immigration.  Right or wrong, that's where they are on the issue -- and that makes Pederson wrong on the major AZ issue of 2006 in the eyes of most Arizonans.  With the man trying to define himself, this is a bad position to be in.

Other than that, he's the perfect candidate.  But that's a big "other than that."

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by Nonpartisan on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 01:32:23 AM EST

Re: Only problem with Pederson (none / 0)

From Pederson's issues page:

Jim Pederson believes that we must do everything in our power to immediately stop the flow of illegal immigrants into Arizona.  Illegal immigration is endangering our security, putting a huge burden on our communities' schools and hospitals, and undermining local law enforcement.  Plus, allowing America's laws to be broken is just plain wrong. 

Jim believes that what we shouldn't do is what Washington politicians usually do: talk about immigration at election time and then do little to actually fix the problem.  Jim will fight to make border enforcement a top priority and regain control over our borders by massively increasing the number of agents and bringing new technology to immigration enforcement. 

Leaving aside the question of whether this is the right position to take, this doesn't seem to be much different from the mainstream pap on the airwaves today and also doesn't seem like a position that would be unpopular with Arizonans (or at least the Anglo ones).

by Jay on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 09:06:06 AM EST
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Re: Only problem with Pederson (none / 0)

Except that Arizona demographics are tilting drip by drip away from the GOP and toward a progressive majority comprised of a large Hispanic bloc.

Hispanics that vote combined with independents and progressives can put Pederson in.

Governors Raul Castro and Janet Napolitano are examples of this combination of interested voters edging out the GOP status quo.

by charlesaugust on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 02:11:24 PM EST
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