Congressional Pay

The same day Thomas Sowell calls for Congressmen to be paid $1 million/year, Jon Corzine says he won't accept a salary for being New Jersey's Governor.  That's one way to begin closing what is turning out to be a massive budget deficit.

Steve Benen, filling in for Kevin Drum, doesn't like the Congressional pay raise idea.  I don't know about whether Congressmen should be paid more, but staffers should definitely be paid more.  You simply cannot hire good diverse talent for the 20K/year typical starting salary on the Hill, and the problem gets worse as competent people reach their 30s and 40s and want homes and whatnot.  Our laws are sometimes written by trust fund kids in their 20s, or kids who also have to moonlight as waiters and waitresses.  I'm leaving out lobbyists and think tanks, which is basically a way of outsourcing lawmaking to get around the talent problem (which Newt Gingrich created when he axed a lot of Congressional overhead staff).

The whole system is nuts, but intentionally so.



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#1 - Since the Republicans took the House in 1995, the pay has went from $133,160 to $162,100. The Speaker's pay has went from $148,100 to $208,100 (in fact, under Hastert, the Speaker's pay has went up from $151,813 to the current pay). The Leadership also got their pay raised from $133600 in 1995 to $180100 right now. That's one way to smooth out opposition, just promise to pay the leadership more.

#2 - The COLA business seems to be contradicting the 27th amendment.

#3 - The pay rate also hurts because numerous states base their filing fee on 1% of the salary (which is $1621 right now, and due to go up, I would bet). I could get into my ideas on filing fees later.

#4 - Better pay for staffers is a better idea than continual payraises for Representatives. Do lobbyists have to pay a fee when they register as lobbyists? That would be a fun way to try and generate some more money from lobbyists. Granted, they might lobby against such fees too.

by RBH on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 06:58:35 PM EST

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#2 - The COLA business seems to be contradicting the 27th amendment.

My understanding is that has already been adjudicated.  U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, affirmed by the DC Circuit Court of appeals, found that the COLA provisions came into effect at the initial passage of the Ethics Reform Act in 1989.  Therefore COLAs (unlike new legislation increasing Congressional pay) do not vary compensation in the current term of Congress.  809 F.Supp. 138 (1992), 30 F.3rd 156 (1994)

Gotta say, in any case, that Congressional pay raises have never been an issue I've been able to get worked up about.  The amounts of money involved are so trivial in the scope of the federal budget, and these guys generally could make at least as much or lot more in private practice, or elsewhere (given how few people of truly modest means are able to mount a successful congressional campaign).

by arenwin on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 09:11:09 PM EST
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Pay them a million a year (none / 0)

Then make it illegal or them to accept any gift, service or gratuity, even a glass of water.

Better yet, pay them 2 million a year. Let that include all they can spend on their campaigns.  Much cheaper than our current process.  

by AlphaHydroxy on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 07:08:38 PM EST

Trust Fund Kids (none / 0)

Our laws are sometimes written by trust fund kids in their 20s, or kids who also have to moonlight as waiters and waitresses.

I'm not seeing the problem with laws being written by people moonlighting as waiters and waitresses.

Thisw is aside from what a fair wage is.

(I'm also not seeing the proff that you "cannot" hire "good" or "diverse" talen fresh out of school for the wages Congress pays.

I'm'na bet you can.  I'm'n'a bet it's not the world's cushiest job, but neither are a lot of other options for people that age; college or no.

by sixteenwords on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 08:10:54 PM EST

Re: Trust Fund Kids (none / 0)

As a former Congressional staffer, I can tell you that most of my colleagues out of school had better pay, better working conditions and better hours.

No one forces staffers to take these jobs.  Most do it because they are interested in public service and want to participate in the system.  

However, Congress exempts itself from OHSA, fair labor laws, etc so they don't get the same worker protections others get.

It's a choice but trust me it is not an easy lifestyle.

by John Mills on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 10:25:09 PM EST
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Pay Staffers More (none / 0)

I am not opposed to a pay raise for members of Congress but $1 million is excessive.  Being a member of Congress is a tough lifestyle where you are on call much of the time and your constituents expect you to give up your children's birthday party in order to attend their community meeting.  I am not making this up - I worked for a member of Congress who had furious constituents once b/c he went to his kid's birthday party and sent a staffer to their meeting.  

As a former Congressional staffer, I am 100% in favor of pay raise for them.  I didn't know trust fund kids on Capitol Hill but I knew a ton who lived in group houses with 5 other people and worked second jobs to make ends meet.

Longevity is a huge problem there.  I stayed 8+ years but most people stay about 2 which is barely enough to figure out the lay of the land.  They move on at some point when they either burn out on the hours or decide it is time to settle down. They realize you can't raise a family on either the salary or 60 hour weeks which are common.

The best reason for a pay raise for Congressional staffers is this - Do you really want a sleep deprived 20-something working 80 hours a week at two jobs writing your laws?  Think about it.

by John Mills on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 10:14:12 PM EST

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Amen.  The only thing that pays worse than campaign work is being a congressional staffer.

As and aside, Democrats are losing talent as most of the best and brightest go work in the private sector or law school, a situation which isn't as bad as it is Republicans who have their huge think tank apparatus.

by Lavoisier1794 on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 10:52:02 PM EST
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Re: Pay Staffers More (none / 0)

Good point.  The Dems do not have the think tank network the Repubs do and we need to develop it.

by John Mills on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 11:08:58 PM EST
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Re: Pay Staffers More (none / 0)

I agree, staffers should make more. I also think that Congress should appropriate funds for living stipends for congressional interns.
Tennesseans for Russ Feingold
by schwompa on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 12:12:05 AM EST
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$20k/yr is ridiculous. Congressional staffers probably deserve to earn more than the Congressmen. I would eliminate the COLA for Congressmen, but grant it to Congresswomen.
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 10:56:52 PM EST
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My Feingold plug (3.00 / 2)

With this topic, people should just expect a feingold plug... so here it is:
One of the very few such spoilsports is Senator Russell Feingold, a liberal Wisconsin Democrat who for several years has introduced an amendment to stop the pay raise, and each time has seen his amendment tabled -- i.e., killed without being debated and voted on -- by a lopsided Senate majority.

"I object to the process," he said during a phone conversation last week. "This automatic, stealth pay-raise system is absolutely wrong. Especially now, when we're running the biggest deficits in US history, when so many people are out of work -- I find it startling that Congress would feel comfortable voting itself a pay raise."

And what kind of reaction does he get from his colleagues when he offers his amendment?

"It's not my most popular moment," Feingold concedes. "I get the coldest stares." Some senators try to reason with him. "They tell me about their kids' tuition. Or they say, 'Don't you think you're worth more money?' " He tells them that if they think they deserve an increase, they should be willing to vote for one.

Feingold puts his own money where his mouth is, refusing any increase in pay during each six-year senatorial term. Though he is perhaps the least affluent member of the Senate, he has returned more than $50,000 to the Treasury over the past 11 years. Meanwhile, multimillionaire senators like Ted Kennedy, Jon Corzine, and Majority Leader Bill Frist vote to table Feingold's amendment and preserve the annual stealth pay raise.

http://www.russfeingold.org/pay_raise_jan_04.php

Tennesseans for Russ Feingold
by schwompa on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 12:08:56 AM EST

Re: My Feingold plug (3.00 / 1)

It is a nice gesture, but it is silly not to pay politicians.  The cost of living has increased dramatically, and it's not like Congressmen don't work for a living.
by Matt Stoller on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 12:35:46 AM EST
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it's not like he's saying not to pay them. (3.00 / 1)

And besides it may be mostly a symbolic act, but that kind of thing plays over BIG in red state American and fiscal conservatives.

Feingold is a smart cookie, in many, many ways.

-C.

by neutron on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 12:59:54 AM EST
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Re: My Feingold plug (none / 0)

Agreed.  There are fewer and fewer members of modest means but those that do exist need a pay raise.  
by John Mills on Wed Dec 28, 2005 at 01:16:55 AM EST
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Ah the Myth of Staff (none / 0)

After reading Winslow Wheeler's "Wastrels of Defense" and meeting classmates who worked on Congressional staffs both at local offices and in DC, I think the issue of staff is overblown.

Labor markets often don't just rely on money to pull people in. So too is there a need for that old villain experience. Members of Congress don't want to be constrained to hire experts for their staff. They want any person who will find the offer to work with them as a serious gesture. Namely, young people eager to get a foot in the door, attractive women who want to be around people of power, or someone's kid who wants to establish his or her own career in politics.

The illusion is that votes aren't already bought. It's as if people suspend their disbelief that you can't tell how a person will vote before it happens. If that were so, leadership would not agonize how to set agendas and amendments. Instead it is very much the case that a member of Congress bats for the home team, whether he or she explictly is paid to do so, or only impliedly so.

It's true that affordable housing is an issue in the District and across the country. Vouchers for Congressional staff (or even poorer members) would be a good start. I don't know if staff also get Metrochecks (as do Administration employees) and the other perks that make life bearable. But that would be where to start, not to artificially raise the pay thinking it would achieve the same outcome.

by risenmessiah on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 01:59:54 AM EST

Hmmm (none / 0)

So he wants to pay Congressmen $1 million a year so as to get better representatives, but then once he has them, wants to institute term limits? Don't we WANT to keep the good ones that we'd end up with? Furthermore, if we keep cycling people in and out of Congress over and over, won't that further limit the actual legislative power they have because Congress is consistently stocked with novices? In the meantime, the special interests and veteran staffers get more and more influence when writing legislation.
by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 10:08:10 PM EST

Establishing pay raises (none / 0)

   Back in Sept, if I recall correctly, the Senate voted on a hourly wage hike and voted it down.  I think, if they, the Congress, wants a pay raise, then they should first approve an upgrade (and a real one, not some measly 25 cent raise) in the national minimum hourly wage standards.  I have lived in Washington DC on far less than they make and if I can do that, they can, too.  They do not JUST HAVE TO live in the Virginia horse country or up in Bethesda or in some swanky townhouse in Georgetown.
   Just about every other year, the bloody Congress votes itself a raise, while the minimum wage has not substantially changed since 1995.  That's not right.  I don't care about their needing to "pay their kid's tuition".  Many other families across America try to pay for their children's private or parochial school tuitions without the benefit of nearly bi-ennial raises.  I say cap the Congressional pay level for the next 5 years.
by Rimaroka on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 03:26:18 AM EST

Errata (none / 0)

My bad--the last minimum wage hike was in 1997, not '95.  My point still stands.
by Rimaroka on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:51:30 PM EST


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