The War on The War on The War on Christmas

Well, here we are on Christmas Eve, and it seems the holiday is actually going to happen. My apologies to my comrades who fought so nobly to stop it. I never actually spoke to any of you about the War on Christmas you were waging. Sometimes I wondered why I never had any first-hand knowledge of the inner workings of your plot, but thanks to the media, I knew your campaign was as well-coordinated as it was brilliantly clandestine.

Oh, what's that? The War on Christmas was one more farce Fox News cooked up to make money by generating hatred of liberals among the gullible? Wow. Well, I guess that's good. Being a big fan of Christmas, I didn't really want to have to tow the party line on this one. But of course I would have, being the good partisan hack that I am...

Even though the right-wing war on the supposed 'War on Christmas' was and still is total nonsense, don't doubt for a second that you're going to hear some of its main themes repeated over the next two days. Often, when I'm with extended family, I blow off cheap rightist talking points. They're stupid, the people who believe them are likely not going to be swayed, and I don't have the time to do the research to definitively debunk such absurdities. This year however, fresh off a mini-debate I won on the Iraq War at an earlier Christmas party, I've decided that I'm not averse to going a few rounds for the good name of liberals and progressives everywhere.

So with that in mind, below I've started my own talking points memo on Christmas. None of this is new information. You'll recognize it all. But it's helpful to have it all in one place so you can quickly get your facts and figures organized to go into battle in the 'War on the War on the War on Christmas.'

Claim: The ACLU is trying to outlaw Christianity.
Fact: The ACLU has a long record of defending Christians in civil liberties cases around the country. Here are two great examples. At one Michigan High School in 2001, the valedictorian of the graduating class included a passage from the Bible in her yearbook entry. The school deleted it. The ACLU successfully intervened on behalf of the student, arguing that they were interfering with her right to free religious expression. [Link]

More to the point, at another high school in Massachusetts, a group of students were disciplined for giving out candy canes with Christian messages at Christmas time. Again, the ACLU intervened on the students' behalf, arguing once again that the since the candy canes were not given out during class periods, the school was interfering with their right to free religious expression.[Link]

If anything, it seems that the ACLU has been on the Fox News side of the 'War on Christmas.'

Claim: 'Happy Holidays' is meant to exclude Christmas and secularize the holiday.
Fact: This one has been bandied about quite a bit -- that 'Happy Holidays' should be offensive to Christians because it replaces 'Merry Christmas.' It's quite absurd. It's pretty obvious that the word 'holiday' is derived from 'holy day,' which is anything but secular. Rather than being anti-Christian by any stretch, phrases like 'Happy Holidays' and 'Season's Greetings' have been used for years in reference to the cluster of holidays from Thanksgiving to New Years, including Christmas.

Not long ago, I had a brief exchange of e-mails with 'War on the War on Christmas' crusader Burt Prelutsky. I closed my correspondence with a cheery 'Merry Christmas!' But Burt is Jewish. So in a PS, I wrote, "[i]sn't it silly how I wrote 'Merry Christmas' in closing a letter to someone who doesn't celebrate the holiday? See, that's one of the reasons people say 'Happy Holidays' instead.... It's just good sense." Burt's response to this was that, " 'Happy holidays' is fine for someone like me, but to say it for PC reasons to Christians only means that the secular left has another scalp on its silly belt."

Now, my problem with this stems from the fact that I grew up in a town with a huge Jewish population. Though I was a member of the local Catholic church, many of my Jewish friends assumed I was Jewish, too. So right around winter vacation (so-called because you get more than just Christmas off), quite a few people wished me a Happy Hanukkah. I never found it offensive, but I did think it was funny that people just assumed they knew what my religion was. And that's the problem with Burt's tortured logic. I don't say 'Happy Holidays' to people who I know are Christian -- that would be kind of silly. But I don't pretend to know what anyone's religion is just by looking at them. So 'Happy Holidays' it is.

Claim: Retail stores like Target are anti-Christian because they don't use the word Christmas in their holiday season promotions and advertising.
Fact: A recent op-ed in the Washington Post (I'd probably leave out the fact that you got this from the so-called liberal media) found that there were over 39,000 uses of the word 'Christmas' at Target's website. Perhaps stores that have replaced 'Christmas'
 with 'Holidays' in their signs and circulars are not anti-Christian so much as they're trying to promote their products to the widest possible audience. It's not as if they've changed the names of any of the Christmas items they sell to whitewash Christianity. [Link]

And this doesn't even begin to get into the debate about America being a Christian nation, even though the Christian Puritans banned Christmas as a pagan holiday, many of our Founding Fathers were deists who didn't necessarily believe in the divinity of Christ, and Christmas was not recognized as a federal holiday until 1870. So use this as an open thread. Any important 'Claims vs. Facts' that I left out? What's your strategy for fighting the 'War on the War on the War on Christmas'?


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It might just be (none / 0)

That some of us are interested in people enjoying more than just Christmas. Shame that Fox doesn't think it wise to wish good tidings for anyone on any other day.
by Lucas O'Connor on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 12:36:20 PM EST

WAR ON CHRISTMAS JOKE (3.00 / 1)

While doing a radio interview promoting the new joke book I've edited, the host made the mistake of saying something to the effect that both the right and left were acting ridiculous.

Oh really? Don't set me off, honey, you won't like what follows (although I will.)

So I hit him with the below joke from Sam Seder of Air America Radio fame:

"As for the war on Christmas, I think we should be waging a war on Christmas. It's almost proven that Christmas has nuclear weapons, can be an imminent threat to this country, and that they have operative ties with terrorists, so we should sacrifice thousands of American lives in pursuit of this war on Christmas, and hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money. But I'd like to get back to the operational ties between Santa Claus and al Qaeda: we have intelligence; we tortured an elf." -- Sam Seder

Let that radio host's "conservative" audience chew on that one -- it made me laugh!

by judybrowni on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 02:01:21 PM EST
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A footsoldier in the "war" on Christmas (none / 0)

I sent (and posted at Kos) the text of following e-mail in reply to a message I had received earlier in the day. Most of the resources cited came from the good folks here.

'Twas the night before Christmas and evidently someone has hijacked your e-mail....

My spouse is a quilter - we received the following, ostensibly sent by you, at out home e-mail address (not this one):

We are making a conscious effort to wish everyone a Merry Christmas .Our way of saying that we are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. So we are asking our email buddies, if you wish, to please do the same by passing this on to your email buddies. Maybe this way we can prevent one more American tradition from being lost in the sea of "political correctness."[emphasis mine]

xxxx

"When Life Gives You Scraps, Make Quilts"

xxxxxx

I am a big fan of quilting. My spouse has assured me that you are a very nice person, so I could only assume that the last sentence of this message attributed to you (which injects a narrow political and social message into the diverse world of quilters and quilting) could not have possibly come from you. I mean, who would assume in this day and age that every quilter on their e-mail list was a Christian? And, most of the quilters I've met are much too busy being creative to spend time spamming other quilters with a cable television network blowhard's manufactured crisis.

I've compiled some information for you - just in case the person who hijacked your e-mail tries to do something like this to you again. I've found that when ignorant people are presented with facts, they'll either learn something, or splutter in feigned indignation.

The First Amendment of our Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This means that the state can't sanction or impose a narrow religious view on everyone.  This also means that each of us as individuals is free to express our own religious beliefs, we just can't demand that those same views be imposed on everyone else.  So you see, the government insisting that a religious view or behavior be followed by everyone is unconstitutional; by implication, an individual or group of individuals insisting their beliefs become a societal norm is un-American.  Is this a great country, or what?

Obviously you or anyone else is free to express their personal religious view. And the same goes for everyone else being free to reject your personal religious views for themselves (experience has taught me that repetition is sound pedagogy).

Now, who are some of the manufactured villains in all this silliness? I understand the ACLU gets a lot of bad coverage on the part of one particular cable television network.

The American Civil Liberties Union has a history of intervening to protect the individual's right to religious self expression, while also pointing out that the state has no business in the business of religion. Here are a few examples:

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries (5/11/2004)

 DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry.  The student's entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

 "While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious expression of students," said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg, who represented the student."In this case, a high school purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a student's speech because it was religious in nature."

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages (2/21/2003)

NORTHAMPTON, MA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts today asked a federal district court in Springfield to protect the First Amendment rights of high school students who were disciplined by school officials for distributing candy canes with religious messages just before Christmas.

"Students have a right to communicate ideas, religious or otherwise, to other students during their free time, before or after class, in the cafeteria, or elsewhere," said ACLU cooperating attorney Jeffrey Pyle, the main author of a friend-of-the-court brief submitted in the case.

As for American "tradition", the Puritans and, later still, our founders, had different view of Christmas (I've actually heard someone call America "the last Puritan society on the face of the earth."):

An Outlaw Christmas

In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas...

The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings....

....After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870.

Satire has a way of making the self-righteous of our world look like the narrow minded fools they truly are. Though, I've found that really humourless people never quite understand it.

....SEDER: Listen, as far as the war on Christmas goes, I feel like we should be waging a war on Christmas. I mean, I believe that Christmas, it's almost proven that Christmas has nuclear weapons, can be an imminent threat to this country, that they have operative ties with terrorists and I believe that we should sacrifice thousands of American lives in pursuit of this war on Christmas. And hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.

PHILLIPS: Is it a war on Christmas, a war Christians, a war on over-political correctness or just a lot of people with way too much time on their hands?

SEDER: I would say probably, if I was to be serious about it, too much time on their hands, but I'd like to get back to the operational ties between Santa Claus and al Qaeda.

PHILLIPS: I don't think that exists. Bob? Help me out here.

SEDER: We have intelligence, we have intelligence.

PHILLIPS: You have intel. Where exactly does your intel come from?

SEDER: Well, we have tortured an elf and it's actually how we got the same information from Al Libbi. It's exactly the same way the Bush administration got this info about the operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam....

Well, I hope this helps. Good luck with your e-mail problem.

You see, I'm not a Christian, though some of my best friends are.  My spouse is Christian, too.  Not to be disrespectful - she has told people that I am the most Christian person she knows. I do take that as a profound compliment.

I always appreciate an individual sending me and my family their heartfelt wishes for the holiday season.  Season's greetings and peace on earth for all, indeed.

XXXXX

It'll be interesting to see if I get a reply.

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by Michael Bersin on Sun Dec 25, 2005 at 09:12:09 AM EST
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And to all, lignite... (none / 0)

Bah, terrorist sympathizers get coal in their stockings, humbug.
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by Michael Bersin on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 12:49:25 PM EST

Just think what Faux News... (none / 0)

and their asshole commentators would say about Merry Christmahanakwanza. Bah humbug to all of them. And to the rest of you, unless your an atheist, Happy Holidays. To the atrheists, enjoy your time off.
Memo to neocons: I respect your right to have an opinion, but I just don't want to hear it anymore.
by blogus on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 01:09:52 PM EST

One more thing... (3.00 / 1)

It isn't really Christmas.  The New Testament offers only one clue about the time of year Jesus was born. It happened when shepherds "were watching their flocks by night". That refers specifically to the hottest part of summer, when temperatures got so high sheep sent out to pasture during the daytime would become dehydrated and suffer heat stroke.  As a result, shepherds would take their flocks into the pastures during the nighttime.  If they did that during late December, the shepherds (and their sheep) would freeze to death.

Early Christians adopted December 25th as their feast day to commemorate the birth of Jesus because the non-Christians in the broader society (Hellenized Jews and Romans) were already feasting during the winter solstice.  Thus, it can be argued, Christians hijacked the holiday.  

If you to be historically accurate, send Bill O'Reilly a "Io Saturnalia" card.

by wallyw on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 01:28:22 PM EST

Only one possible explanation (none / 0)

Southern hemisphere...I'm tellin' ya...
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by Michael Bersin on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 02:03:39 PM EST
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Re: One more thing... (none / 0)

I'm thinking the birth of Christ took place in what is now late May or early June.

My thinking is that Joseph and Mary (and many others were traveling, which means it must have been close to one of the 3 pilgrimage holidays (Passover, Shavuot, or Sukkot).  With the shephards watching their flocks at night, one has to asssume it was the festival at the warmest time, which means Shavuot (usually late May or early June)

Conversely, many scholars assume the death of Christ wasn't in spring (during Passover), but fall (during Sukkot).  The reasoning, when do jews carry palms?  During Sukkot.

by Hughsterg on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 04:42:34 PM EST
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One problem... (none / 0)

they weren't traveling because of a holiday...

They were traveling because of the Roman census which demanded that all citizens return to their birth cities and register...

by Nazgul35 on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 05:04:09 PM EST
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Re: One more thing... (none / 0)

They held lots of things on the same day as a pagan festival so that they wouldn't stand out and be persecuted more than usual. That said, I'm not sure hijacked is the right word, I assume the "mainstreaming" of Christmas in the ancient world had a lot to do with Constantine, who was more of a shrewd opportunist than anything else.
by MNPundit on Mon Dec 26, 2005 at 02:34:59 PM EST
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From the Whitehouse "Holidays" page (none / 0)

Nothing offensive about this greeting message whether you are coming from a religious or a secular stance. The reference to God comes in a quote, the word 'holiday' occurs twice and the word 'Christmas' not at all. In fact if I was O'Reilly I might be wondering why Bush took Christmas out of the greeting. There are several references to Christmas on the overall page but also a Presidential message on Hanukkah and another message on Kwanzaa along with a video of Bush lighting a Menorah. Everything that drives O'Reillyites crazy when it comes toTarget are highlighted on Bush's own website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2005/index.html

"All things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small;

All things wise and wonderful, the Lord God made them all. *
This year's theme has been chosen to highlight the beauty to be found in nature. Our emphasis for this holiday season is on some of the many ways that plants, trees, fruit and flowers can be the stars of holiday decorating.

The members of the White House Executive Residence staff and floral designers from across the country have worked tirelessly and creatively to make the White House reflect the wonders of nature's bounty. Our thanks go to all whose deft hands and willing hearts have helped to transform many lovely ideas into reality.

We hope your own holiday season is made brighter by your coming to be part of ours!

George Bush - Laura Bush"

Not that I credit Bush for any of this. Rove is not a genius but he understands that just writing off the Jewish, Muslim and secular vote to stroke your wingnut Protestant base is just bad politics.

by Bruce Webb on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 02:00:08 PM EST

unfortunately (none / 0)

some dumbass people are buying into this. Yesterday I was back home (rural place in the south) about alot of churches had signs that say stuff like "we still say merry christmas", "don't take jesus out of the holidays", etc.

Funny stuff

Tennesseans for Feingold
by ben114 on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 05:19:59 PM EST

Who Bill O'Reilly Was Really After (none / 0)

Make no mistake, Bill O'Reilly is as anti-Semitic as he is misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, homophobic and dishonest.

He was really after the Jews on this one.

That said, any Jewish or Muslim person who cannot wish his Christian neighbor a Merry Christmas has his Jewish/Muslim/other head in his ass.  This Jew regularly wishes Christians a Merry Christmas, and I will do so right here.  Dare I even say that I hope 2006 is the year that fulfills the hope that came (or is supposed to have come) with the birth of Christ.

Just the same, O'Reilly and those who would begrudge their Muslim/Jewish/non-Christian neighbors a little consideration, by not shoving Christmas down their throats, equally have their heads in their asses.

I am sure that somewhere Jesus and the Twelve Apostles, and perhaps God the Father as well, are wishing that Bill O' Reilly would not make such a big deal about associating himself with Christianity.  

He has to be bad for business.

Merry Christmas to all.

ps:  There is also a message for progressives and Democrats in the Hanukkah story.  Just when it looked the darkest, and there was oil enough only to keep the lamps burning for one day, God's miracle made those lamps shine for eight days.

Surely with the elbow grease at all our disposal, we can do more than just make a bunch of menorah's burn for eight days.  With hard work, and a persistent "eye on the prize", we can impeach George Bush & Dick Cheney, AND remove them from office, as well.

DID YOU SEE??  Barron's (owned by the Wall Street Journal) has come out either for a bill outlawing what Bush insists is legal, or for a bill of impeachment.  A PUBLICATION OWNED BY THE WALL STREET JOURNAL IS USING THE "I WORD" FOR BUSH.

It will take longer than eight days.  Let's get to work.

Happy Hanukkah as well

(ps: what is going on for Muslims this time of year?  They need to be let in on the party)
Like I

by jfrankesq on Sat Dec 24, 2005 at 06:15:47 PM EST

How Did You Win an Iraq War Debate? (none / 0)

I find it useless to even try to debate the right-wingers, they will pull out any absurd argument, ignore any obvious facts and declare victory.  Did you have an Ace up your sleeve that the rest of us could use?
by steve expat on Sun Dec 25, 2005 at 10:08:24 PM EST


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