John Aravosis Open Thread

I had an interesting talk with Rick Perlstein tonight, and he noted something quite interesting.  John Aravosis of Americablog picks fights and wins them every damn time.  Most recently, he reversed Ford's decision to cooperate with an anti-gay hate group in one week.  And John's just a guy, not an elected official or an organization with a multimillion dollar budget.

How does he do it?  And what can we learn from him?  

Consider this an open thread.



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As much as I love Americablog (3.00 / 2)

I suspect there are other, even more gay-oriented, websites also fighting these battles at the same time.

However, John's is the site I read daily, compulsively, and I do any damn action he suggests. And maybe, it's because he not only explains why and how we should act, he does it in such an entertaining and specific way.

Too often, the political blogs I love, may, after a page an a half of analysis, much of which are over my head, blandly advise at the bottom, "Contact your representative."

When I first began reading political blogs, my thought was, "How the heck do I do that? And what would I say, in short?"

John provides the email address/phone number, mailing address, of the miscreant or politico in question, and wittily-worded ways to sum up the argument in question.

John is entertaining, and he front pages his actions, makes 'em both easy and fun to apply. If he has a secret, it's his ability to sum up a situation, and figure out a particular and pointed action his readers can easily act on.

by judybrowni on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:25:28 AM EST

Re: As much as I love Americablog (none / 0)

great comment
by Matt Stoller on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:47:39 AM EST
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Re: As much as I love Americablog (3.00 / 1)

This is a great comment and observation, that's why I had to quote you in another thread, because you illustrated a point so wonderfully. Here's how I quoted you in that other thread:

In my previous post above I wrote:

I've seen a lot of comments on community sites (MyDD, DailyKos, HuffingtonPost and others) asking, What can I do on this or that issue?  A lot of us are often looking for some off-line organization or group to get plugged into, to feel a part of and grow the progressive movement (a lot more needs to be said about that, but I don't have the space here).  Accordingly, we come to the better known community sites in search of info on how we can tap into an off-line "movement" and, too, we come looking for "action items" that we can contribute towards.

And, in this thread, judybrowni does a great job of illustrating my point:

I suspect there are other, even more gay-oriented, websites also fighting these battles at the same time.

However, John's is the site I read daily, compulsively, and I do any damn action he suggests. And maybe, it's because he not only explains why and how we should act, he does it in such an entertaining and specific way.

Too often, the political blogs I love, may, after a page an a half of analysis, much of which are over my head, blandly advise at the bottom, "Contact your representative."

When I first began reading political blogs, my thought was, "How the heck do I do that? And what would I say, in short?"

John provides the email address/phone number, mailing address, of the miscreant or politico in question, and wittily-worded ways to sum up the argument in question.

John is entertaining, and he front pages his actions, makes 'em both easy and fun to apply. If he has a secret, it's his ability to sum up a situation, and figure out a particular and pointed action his readers can easily act on.

The above quote is my attempt to illustrate how many of us come to MyDD.com, and to other sites, looking for "concrete action items;" unfortunetly, this is precisely what's missing from many comunnity blogs. As I mention above, the quote is my attempt to illustrate a previous comment I made in the MyDD.com website redisign thread -- here's the comment I was trying to illustrate with your comment:

Re: Some Suggestions ( none / 0 )

Thanks for the question -- I agree, the issue of "'concrete' action" vs. "commentary" is an important one for online participants. 

To begin with, I think that both are important and complementary functions.  Moreover, I understand that there are some websites/blogs by individuals that are meant to provide commentary/analysis, and that other sites (MoveOn.org, for example) focus on  suggesting "concrete action" around specific issues.  Additionally, the commentary/analysis function is important because the web is virtually the only place where progressive voices can be found, given our media landscape.  Now, while commentary/analysis is important, there are certain sites/blogs, I'm thinking of community blogs (i.e., MyDD.com and DailyKos.com) specifically, that users go to seeking "action items" that they, we, can take practical action on.  

I've seen a lot of comments on community sites (MyDD, DailyKos, HuffingtonPost and others) asking, What can I do on this or that issue?  A lot of us are often looking for some off-line organization or group to get plugged into, to feel a part of and grow the progressive movement (a lot more needs to be said about that, but I don't have the space here).  Accordingly, we come to the better known community sites in search of info on how we can tap into an off-line "movement" and, too, we come looking for "action items" that we can contribute towards.

I subscribe to the idea that on-line and off-line participation are complementary, and that one does not exclude the other.  Therefore, I don't subscribe to the idea the there exists something called the "netroots."  Instead, I belive that there only exists the "grassroots," and that we, the grassroots, go to the web to communicate with each other and in search of information.  Now, because I see on-line and off-line participation as complementary, and because grassroots participation exists in both forms, I belive that community sites/blogs need to offer specific tools and serve as a repository of "tactical" advise for the grassroots to take action with.

Too often, I think, community sites/blogs neglect "action items" and advise on "tactical lessons" learned on the ground; which are, I think, essential components to building a progressive movement.  Instead, most of us, the average community blog participant, focus on offering commentary on current events and on offering "strategic" advise to Democratic party leaders -- which, I fear, is too easily ignored.  Please keep in mind that I've not suggested that community blogs stop offering commentary/analysis; rather, I'm merely suggesting that community blogs spend more time and dedicate more of the site's resources on "action items" and on serving as a grassroots coordinating mechanism for off-line action.

I hope I've clarified my post above a bit more... and, yes, a lot more needs to said about defining and about building a progressive movement.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 03:02:14 AM EST
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John Aravosis (none / 0)

John has credibility with me.

That is why I read his blog and join in the call to action.

by Tim Barnwell on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:35:37 AM EST

Not just any old guy (3.00 / 1)

Aravosis isn't just any old ordinary guy, he's held some pretty senior positions in the Clinton admin.
Read the CV he's got posted at his site. That's a big part of the reason he's got clout and contacts and knows how to work the system effectively.
by phillydem on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:31:19 AM EST

Re: Not just any old guy (none / 0)

He was never in the Clinton administration.
by Matt Stoller on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:40:44 AM EST
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Maybe not... (none / 0)

...but if this (slightly outdated) biography is accurate, he is surely an top-level Washington insider.

http://www.wiredstrategies.com/aravosis.htm

This is not an "average joe", not by a long shot.

by Geotpf on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:34:22 PM EST
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Oh, I missed the bio on Americablog (none / 0)

It's on the side, and confirms the previous.  Although he doesn't mention working for Ted Stevens (R-AK) for five years there. :-P
by Geotpf on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:38:30 PM EST
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Yes, lets do it. (none / 0)

I think we waste our numbers and influence by NOT taking on issues.  A great target is the Democratic Party.  If we don't take our party back, we can't take the country back.  These causes should be shared by DailyKos, My DD, Americablog, etc.   As a group, we can make one hell of a squeeky wheel.
by oakland on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:31:03 AM EST

Standing Up For Our Gay Neighbors (3.00 / 1)

Standing up for the rights of our gay friends and neighbors, is all by itself, worth doing.  It is a right and good thing, unto itself.

However, it is also in the self-interest of each and every one of us, who is today, or might be tomorrow, in a minority group.  The institutionalized dominance of WASP males is waning; in its wake, we have people of every color and stripe taking their place, based on merit, and not based on race, gender, etc.  Who knows how today's majority, will be treated in the future by a new majority?

This is not only true of gay/straight, white/black, male/female, etc., it is true of political viewpoint as well.  Democrats were in the majority for 40+ years, and now are in the minority status that Repubs had during those years.  

It is true that Democrats did not abuse the GOP the way the GOP is now abusing us.  However, it is just as true that, even if the pendulum swings our way next year and in 2008, it may swing against us again, in another few years.  

Liberal voices should be heard in times of conservative leadership, and conservative voices should be heard in times of liberal leadership.

Going back to the current attacks on gay Americans...... didn't Adolf Hitler go after the gay people in Germany, before he launched his genocide against the Jews and the Gypsies?  

We should stand up for, and stand with our gay friends and neighbors.  The skins we save, may be our own.

by jfrankesq on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:51:01 AM EST

Americablog (none / 0)

I am a regular reader of Americablog.  In fact, John is my most read blog because he and his contributors do attack injustice and give specific tools for regular, working people to make a difference.  Emails, contact information and daily action plans coupled with a concise message allow people to complete the day's action plans within minutes.

When you are at the office, there is only so much time and John structures the action plans, seemingly, with this in mind.

by RCR on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:11:23 AM EST

Re: Americablog (none / 0)

Agree, and he's usually very lively and amusing.
by hawkseye on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:20:10 PM EST
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the bottom line for me (none / 0)

is aravosis makes it easy to do the activism work....unless you have no life and are sitting on the computer all day not many people have time to read long complicated posts and figure out what to do....i go to americablog and there is almost always something to do with the info i need to do it right in front of me.

thats a formula more blogs including this one should adopt

by annainphilly on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:38:40 AM EST

Why does Atrios get so many comments? (none / 0)

I am absolutely astounded at the number of comments Duncan Black gets at Eschaton. Kevin Drum and Josh Marshall also generate a tremendous number of comments.

Daily Kos has set the polestar benchmark for community participation. How did Markos do it and what can we learn from him?

I think it is a combination of factors and perhaps a touch of sernedipity. Why do some businesses succeed and why do others fail? There are enough books written on that subject to fill an entire wing in a very large library.

One way of doing any task better is innovation. Do something that is already a popular and effective idea, only better.

Another good question is how does a popular website hang on to their success? Again, innovation. Josh Marshall spun off TPM Cafe to try and emulate the success of Scoop blogs in forming a vibrant community. For my money, the level of comments is generally still pretty weak, but Josh had a good idea and implemented it.

A good rule for improving on your success is constant refinement and improvement. The longest journey begins with a single step. Get and idea and put it in to practice.

Once you get your idea working look for ways to do it better. Try your new idea out and put it into practice.

Rinse and repeat. That is the key to success in any endeavor.

I saw this broken down into a formula. I believe it is from

Acclerating technology improvements is typical of the type of meaningless advice that sounds impressive, but does not provide practical guides to improvement.

One approach that has been effective is referred to as skunkworks engineering.

Tom Peters wrote an outstanding book that examines what successful companies are doing, In Search of Excellence.

I would highly recommend any book by Tom Peters. I believe he calls his theory of redesigning your company Re-imagining what you would have done then if you knew what you know now and doing it that way.

One problem many companies have with technology is what has been called "paving the cowpaths." Companies will attempt to buy new technology and lay it over their old business model like a fresh coat of paint. The problem is that they end up with a Ferrari engine that is reliant on a Model A drive train and transmission. The parts don't work well together. The company may end up worse than before their "innovation" if they do not focus on re-trainging their employees, who will tend to resist the new system.

If you have an idea you want to try out, the most important thing to do is try it out. The formula has been written down as Do it. Try it. Fix it. The "do it" part includes implementing a new idea. After you "Do it. Try it. Fix it." You "rinse and repeat" over and over and over.  

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:01:00 AM EST

Lessons well learned (none / 0)

...After you "Do it. Try it. Fix it." You "rinse and repeat" over and over and over...

Absolutely.

The only requirement for political involvement is to roll up your sleeves and pitch in. Do what needs to be done. If you don't know, ask someone. Believe me, they'll tell you.

The media's hagiography of James Carville (and everyone associated with that campaign) after the 1992 election really messed up the public's perceptions of the nuts and bolts of politics. And that is not to say that those involved in the campaign didn't deserve the accolades. They sure as hell did.

I've noticed that there is a certain percentage of  denizens at progressive sites like Kos who have all the answers and theories along with no practical experience implementing them, yet they wonder why they aren't being given their due attention and respect. Talk is just that. I've written this many times: if you haven't already volunteered for a local, state, or national candidate in the 2006 2008 cycles then you're just wasting bandwidth.

As for doing? Anything helps. I've managed campaigns (winning and losing), done opinion research, and raised and spent ungodly amounts of money. With all of that I still do lit drops, work the phones, you name it. Everything helps. No one is too good to do nothing.

I still park cars at events. I got a reputation early on for doing a good job, so when there's a local Democratic Party soire I get the call (the trick is to try to park the cars in so no one can ever get out - you won't succeed because it's a mathematical impossibility - hence, everyone gets out of the event with a minimum of fuss and they're all happy).

Volunteer. Observe. Listen. Learn. Apply it all.  

543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:18:58 AM EST
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Re: Why does Atrios get so many comments? (3.00 / 1)

alot of comments does not a good blog make

i find atrios site almost unreadable and thats mostly a critique of the comments

i would much rather spend my time at a place like Booman Tribune where the comments are sparse but the quality of the writing in diaries as well as comments is much higher.

by annainphilly on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:15:43 PM EST
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Tough, uncompromising and most of all (none / 0)

Fun! I think that is part of the Aravosis method, and it works.

No focus grouping or anything... he comes across a situation, such as the recent one with Ford, immediately states the issues, and in effect lets us (and them) know... "We're going to drop a ton of bricks on top of them, and we're going to have fun doing it. Here's how".

And each day there is a new thing... a new aspect of the original outrage, more reporting, and of course more fun to be had by emailing, telephoning, asking others not to buy products, getting in touch with the media and whatever other steps should be taken. Sometimes it looks like a big free for all, and indeed it seems some things are done on the fly, as information comes in, but they are always very well run, very well organized campaigns, that people are drawn to not only because it's the right thing to do, but because he makes the whole thing just so fun.

by Nanette K on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:43:57 AM EST

Americablog and Arovosis' fierceness are admirable (none / 0)

NO question. But as he himself admits he was not alone. All the major gay rights organizations went after Ford also.  

I think that there is a clear example here of what a determined and fierce advocacy can accomplish.  Of course, corporate targets convinced of a large market impact are more vulnerable than wingnuts, but this also shows that the ferocious right wing activism of the past is meeting its match -- FINALLY!

However, note that even wingnuts are vulnerable.  The repubs have not exactly been crusing on a lot of their signature initiatives lately in the house and senate.  

The key thing is to take a goddam stand, and John A. is a leader in showing us how to do that.

by calscientist on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:22:11 PM EST


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