Will Virginia Become A Swing State in 2008?

This is a question I like to see asked, especially now that it has replaced the "will New Jersey be a seeing state in 2008?" line that was more common among political pundits when Republicans were riding a wave of triumph within the national political discourse following 2004. Of course, this far out from the election, when it isn't known if the election will even be close enough for swing states to matter, and with potential nominees from Virginia from both major parties, no one can answer this question with any certainty.

The short answer, I would say is yes, but only barely. Even without considering the long-term demographic trends in Virginia, after the 2004 electionVirginia slipped into swing state status according to the partisan index. The partisan index, for those not familiar, measures the difference in how an individual state voted and how the rest of the nation voted. This is done both to provide a rough estimate of how much a candidate would have to win the popular vote by in order to win a given state, and to estimate which states will be the most important swing states in the next election cycle. Over the past six election cycles, outside of candidate home states, I have noticed a maximum partisan index shift of around 7.0 points in a single election cycle. This means that I consider any state that comes in under 7.0 in favor of either party to be a "swing state." Right now, Virginia is at RNC +5.7, which makes it a swing state, if only slightly so. In an even election, it would take nearly the maximum shift in order for Virginia to go blue. Long term, say 2012, things are more promising, as Virginia has been trending blue since it reached a Republican apex in 1988 at RNC +12.8.

Apart from my amateur analysis, Robert Lang and Dawn Dhavale have produced an interesting report entitled The 2005 Governor's Race: A Geogrphaic Analysis of the Four Virginias that provides far more in depth analysis into the voting and demographic trends in the state. The paper looks at four regions of Virginia--"Northern Virginia," "Tidewater," "The Capital Region," and "Shenandoah"--and even at smaller subregions within these four areas. One important finding by the authors was that Kaine improved on Kerry across the state, rather than in just a few areas:

The comparison also shows that Kaine improved on Kerry's performance in all areas of the state, with a 6.9 percentage point gain in the Capital\ Region, 6.4 points in Northern Virginia, 5.6 points in Shenandoah, and 6.6 points in the Tidewater. (p. 5)
So, while much of the discussion post-election on Virginia has focused upon Kaine's performance in exurban areas, he gained everywhere, not just in everyone's favorite new demographic topic.

Still, like other papers, Land and Dhavale do spend a lot of time trying to figure out if Kaine's success in exurban areas of Northern Virginia in 2005 signals an important shift for 2006 and 2008. I think their answer is a good one:

The remaining Virginia--or Northern Virginia-- has no peer region in the South. As noted above, this area connects more to the Northeast in political outlook and economy than the rest of Virginia. It is also populated by the largest share of residents who were born outside the commonwealth, also making it the least culturally Southern region. In some ways Northern Virginia serves as a "sunbelt" for the Northeast Megalopolis and has been a big receiver of immigrants from states such as New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. In fact, current governor Mark Warner from Alexandria (or the Urban Suburbs) is a Connecticut transplant. Northern Virginia's sections, or county-types, could be compared to those from suburban Boston or Philadelphia, but the most complete matching can be found in the New Jersey suburbs of the New York metropolitan area. Table 8 shows the four types of counties, with comparative examples drawn from the commonwealth and the Garden State.

As with all comparisons, these are not exact matches. But that is not the point. This exercise shows instead the complicated sectional nature of Virginia. Of course, the commonwealth is hardly the only divided state. There is an upstate/ downstate split in New York and Illinois, and an east/west divide in Oregon and Washington, and so on. But the dynamics of these combined states varies. In Virginia's case, its red state/blue state split is interesting because the blue state portion lacks a big city. Instead Virginia is a blue state in its suburbs only, which has a moderating effect on its politics. Were Virginia to have a blue state section that contained a solidly Democratic big city on the order of say Baltimore, it is likely that the commonwealth would be a hotly contested swing state in presidential races. However, while the blue Washington, DC suburbs lift the Virginia's profile into the mid-range of an affluent blue state, the weight of its rural and largely conservative south and west make the commonwealth a solidly red state overall for now. Given Northern Virginia's fast growth and the changing nature of suburban politics, that could change by 2008. (p. 10)

In other words, continuing growth in Northern Virginia will not be enough to make Virginia one of the "top tier" swing states by 2008. However, continued growth combined with a small but noticeable suburban / exurban swing toward Democrats might just do the trick. Also, what works to make Virginia a swing state in the short term will probably not work in most other southern states. Northern Virginia is a Northeastern / blue enclave in an otherwise pretty solid red state. The main reason why Virginia is trending slightly blue when the rest of the south is going in the other direction is because Northern Virginia is easily the fastest growing region of the state.

As a final note on this piece, I should note that a "top tier" swing state is defined as a state that favors one party over the other by 4.0 points or less, or close enough for a fairly common one cycle swing to change control. Right now, the "top tier" swing states are New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado and Florida. Barring a major change, if 2008 is another tight election, those eight state will determine the winner. While our over-emphasis on swing states in 2004 has been much criticized, it should be noted that our massive voter registration efforts in those states provide Democrats with a healthy 238-213 electoral vote edge outside of the "top tier." That is one very real glimmer of hope to come out of the failures of 2004.



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Influence of touch-screen voting on swing states (none / 0)

This is a fascinating overview of what my friends in Alexandria and Arlington have been telling me for some time--that Virginia is not as solidly red as one might think from the outside. However, if the top-tier swing states will be in 2008 (or even 2006) the same that are listed here--New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado and Florida--we really need to make a concerted effort to roust Diebold and such borderline-criminal figures as Ohio's Blackwell from the election process. If Florida and Ohio can be so easily flipped, our efforts to get out the vote will be unsuccessful on a national scale due to the high-leverage effect of a few well-placed dirty tricks.
by sublingual on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 02:40:52 PM EST

Re: Influence of touch-screen voting on swing stat (none / 0)

Virginia Verified Voting
by Alice Marshall on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:04:29 PM EST
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Re: Influence of touch-screen voting (none / 0)

"If Florida and Ohio can be so easily flipped, our efforts to get out the vote will be unsuccessful on a national scale due to the high-leverage effect of a few well-placed dirty tricks."
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Florida was flipped by President Bush pushing through his Medicare prescription drug plan, which made him look compassionate to the seniors living there.  (They won't be so supportive of the bill after experiencing the mess it has created first hand.)

Ohio looks a lot more suspicious.

by Lex on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 11:16:43 AM EST
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No. (none / 0)

The numbers aren't there yet.  I know people love Warner, but let's not crown him just yet.  Let's keep some perspective.
The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 02:46:33 PM EST

Parallels with MD (none / 0)

MD is seen as a blue, if not deep blue state. It's Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties (DC suburbs), along with Baltimore that keeps MD blue. Like Virginia, MD has strong red areas, although little or no identification with 'southern', unlike her neighbor to the south.

The description of NOVA as a blue enclave is dead-on. So many ppl that I went to high school with on the MD side of DC now live in NOVA to reduce commute times to their jobs. It's not as if they've changed by crossing the Potomac! Maryland Terrapin tailgate parties sport a healthy number of VA tags, and even if the game is against VT/UVa, they are there for Maryland.

Issues for the future of VA (and MD) that I find interesting are (1) the Black vote in both states (2) the 'liberal' influence in NOVA.

In the first case, these 'swing state' projections always seem to assume that the Black vote will remain static, which I believe is a mistake. I am finding that increasing numbers of young (under 30, for sake of discussion) Black voters are open to either party and are ready to shake of historical allegiances. Let's just say that they need to be convinced. This is purely anecdotal, of course, and I expect fragmentation to evolve slowly, but it's an issue with implications for both MD and presumably VA (Richmond) as well.

In the second case, I heard quite a bit of grumbling from friends in NOVA with respect to the gubenatorial campaign. Kaine was simply too conservative for their tastes. The 'faith and values' talk didn't sit well. I actually know one couple that moved from the state to a decidedly blue area because NOVA was "too Virginia" for them. Yes, I know that Kilgore was no alternative at all, but I expect NOVA to start flexing political muscle in the same manner as the MD/DC suburbs shape Annapolis.

by dblhelix on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 02:46:56 PM EST

Virginia Go Blue (none / 0)

The only person who could carry Virginia in '08 is Mark Warner.  But it is possible.
by JamesSWVA on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 02:50:08 PM EST

I'm glad Fairfax County Democrats (none / 0)

did not do this kind of analysis in 2001, or Gov. MARK Warner would have been a fluke.

Things changed in Fairfax County because we started to believe in ourselves. People from Prince William and Loundon counties came to our precinct operations training sessions.

I believe Virginia will go Democratic in the near future because the methods learned in Fairfax will be applied further south.

by Alice Marshall on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:08:12 PM EST

We will see even more of Larry Sabato on TV ? (none / 0)

<sigh>
by Cyt on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:12:53 PM EST

After Katrina (none / 0)

I really feel that all of the states are in play.
DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:33:18 PM EST

Warner's Home State Advantage? (none / 0)

A lot of people may put forth the proposal that if Virginia is at the very edge of the swing states/red states border than Warner as the presidential candidate can cement it for the Democrats.  This is a very appealing idea but one that we should first consider academically.  I've just finished a paper on Southern presidential candidates and the home state advantage based on a paper by Michael Lewis-Beck and Tom Rice in 1983.  They found that the largest home state advantage of any candidate since 1884 was Jimmy Carter in 1976.  But in updating their numbers for recent candidates like Bill Clinton and Al Gore I found a significant drop off in the home state advantage of Southern Democrats.  Most Presidents running for reelection experience a minor drop off in their home state advantage but Bill Clinton suffered a 9 point drop in 1996.  Al Gore's home state advantage was in fact a home state disadvantage, he ran worse in Tennessee.  This is bad news for future Southern Democrats running for the White House and bad news for Mark Warner.
by LoganFerree on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:33:30 PM EST

Re: Warner's Home State Advantage? (none / 0)

Understand your point just a quick thing.  Gore had been in Washington for 8 years and his state had changed immensely over that time.  He was no longer the home-boy.  Instead he was a Democrat in a blue state trending red.  For Warner, it's the reverse.  He would be a Democrat in a red state trending blue.  

Clinton also had the same problem in 1996.  He was a Democrat in a blue state trending red.  Clinton also loss some of the margin Perot provided for him in 1992.

 

by Eric11 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 07:00:38 PM EST
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Re: Warner's Home State Advantage? (none / 0)

You have a point in that both Gore in 2000 and Clinton in 1996 with the decline of their home state advantage.  But my major point was that they had a really big decline, not just a slight decline.  Clinton had a decline of 9 percentage points from 1992 to 1996; that's huge for an incumbent running for reelection.
by LoganFerree on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 08:01:57 PM EST
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Re: Warner's Home State Advantage? (none / 0)

Just wondering where you got your stats?  

According Dave Leip's Atlas of US Presidential Elections, Clinton won Arkansas in 1992 53.2 - 35.5.  In 1996 he won 53.7 - 36.8.  Not much of a difference, and certainly not 9%.  

by Eric11 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 09:24:00 PM EST
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Not So Fast (none / 0)

I don't think Tim Kaine's victory (or Mark Warner's four years ago) necessarily signal a swing to the blue any more than Douglas Wilder's did decades ago.  I live in one of those now famous "exurbs" (Loudoun County) and I wouldn't bet ten bucks it will go Democratic the next time.  It may, but I don't think there is enough evidence that there's a trend afoot.

There were many other issues in play -- local ones like growth and transportation, the personal popularity of Warner, the personal unpopularity of some local GOP candidates, the "Hitler" ads, etc.

Where's the future of Virginia in national politics?  I don't know.  This election was encouraging, but it's far too little to start cheering and stop analyzing.

---------------- "Decisions are made by those who show up"
by rich kolker on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:41:29 PM EST

Assorted Notes (none / 0)

First and Foremost, Virginia has no blue "cities" but many blue "towns". Almost all the cities that are independent cities are either strongly Democratic or lean Democratic.

Second, it's not terribly surprising that Kaine did 6-7% better than Kerry in all portions of the state. Since Kaine doesn't really need to run against the national party, he's insulated from attacks for being like Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and all the other Democratic politicians who have been put in the "looney" bin despite being very moderate for the most part.

Third, Virginia is one of the states moving fastest towards the Democratic column, behind Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Vermont, Maryland, and California. Now, in some cases that's the "Nader effect", as some uber-liberals sat out the 1996 election and voted for Nader in 2000, but I doubt that's the case in Virginia.

Fourth, the net effect of a favorite son nomination is roughly 10-14 percentage points. Warner would likely win the state somewhere between 58-42 and 64-36. However, that's still not enough to get to 270, and Democrats would have to expand the map either by increasing Democratic party identification, driving down Republican party identification, or hoping Warner's popularity bleeds into places like West Virginia. Alternatively, a sufficiently popular figure from a red state -- say, Brian Schweitzer, Bill Richardson, Janet Napolitano, or John Edwards -- would do the trick.

by niq on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 04:39:54 PM EST

Re: Assorted Notes (none / 0)

If Warner wins VA by that much, the race won't even be close.  He'll win all over the place.  That's the thing about him (and perhaps Edwards).  He makes it very difficult for the Republicans to defend their so called "home turf," no matter what corner of the country you are talking about.  
by Eric11 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 07:04:15 PM EST
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Re: Assorted Notes (none / 0)

But, that's the point of the home-state advantage. Warner would pile up a gargantuan win in Virginia, but it may or may not have any impact on surrounding states.
by niq on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 07:15:06 PM EST
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Re: Assorted Notes (3.00 / 1)

Understood, but my point is if he appeals to Virginia voters, voters who have voted Republican in every Presidential election since 1964, there is no reason he doesn't have a great shot winning states such as Missouri, Arkansas, WV, CO, etc. let alone Ohio and Florida.

He's won in Virginia for a reason, and if he can win there, he should be able to appeal to voters in less conservative states that have voted Republican the last two cycles.  

by Eric11 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 09:09:53 PM EST
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Not Yet (3.00 / 1)

     Virginia isn't going to be a swing-state in the sense of swinging an election. Maybe in 2016. If Virginia goes Democratic in 2008, the Democratic candidate will get 350 electoral votes. Clinton won 370 and 379 electoral votes, but never carried Virginia.
     I like Warner, and he has a great future, but one term as governor of a medium-sized state doesn't seem like sufficient experience to be the kind of President we'll need to clean up the mess after 8 years of Bush and Cheney. Every major party nominee since 1976 won at least two statewide or vice-presidential races before getting the presidential nomination.
     Warner has all kinds of opportunities. He can run against George Allen next year; he can run for Sen. John Warner's seat if the senator retires at age 81 in 2008; and since the Republicans won Lt. Gov. and AG he would be the Democrats' consensus choice to run for governor in 2009.
by Ron Thompson on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 04:43:50 PM EST

His main rivals are Senators (none / 0)

Advantage: Warner.
by Cyt on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 04:52:42 PM EST
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Re: Not Yet (none / 0)

His one term is exactly the reason he has a great chance to win in 2008.  I have two main reasons, although there are many others:

1) People will absolutely favor an outsider, or the non-Washington D.C. candidate, over any other insider in 2008.  Warner provides this alternative.  He served only one term, but he could use this to his advantage.  He is far from a career politican.  He is far from a typcial Washington insider.  He can provide new ideas and is not beholden to the special interests and corporate lobbyists like everyone else is.  

He was a very successful businessman in the telecom industry, and thus understands the importance of focusing attention on developing new technologies and intellectual capital in an information-intensive world.  He can provide this vision.

2) His one term was hugely successful.  This guy turned the state's fiscal crisis into a fiscal paradise.  He not only managed to balance the budget, he created a surplus in only three years.  He has presided over a period of rapid growth in many different industries and has make the state friendly to both businesses and workers.  

I could go on and on.  Obviously I like the guy.  

I guess my point is do not let the fact that Warner only served one term deter you from giving him a thorough look.  He would be a great candidate, a candidate with a message and one who can win.  More importantly, he would make a great President.  

by Eric11 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 06:52:59 PM EST
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If Allen gets the GOP nod this debate is moot (none / 0)

If Allen gets the GOP nod in 2009 as some commentators  think, even Mark Warner might not win Virginia vrs him.  There are a lot of "national security" GOP voters in Virgina with all the military bases who might vote Democratic for statewide office but not for President.  Long-term this may change though.
by ctd72 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 04:55:23 PM EST

Re: If Allen gets the GOP nod this debate is moot (none / 0)

I don't think Allen has a chance.
by Alice Marshall on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 06:58:06 PM EST
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perhaps... (none / 0)

but Warner is outpolling Allen this year:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Virginia%20Senator_July%2019.htm  

by VirginiaDem on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 06:58:18 PM EST
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Both Warner and Kaine are Repug Lite (2.50 / 2)

I honestly don't understand why blogsphere Democrats are so jacked up about this. Reckon a hungry mutt which ain't worth feed'n will latch on to any morsel when hungry enough.  
by Seldom Seen Smith on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 05:30:11 PM EST

Re: Both Warner and Kaine are Repug Lite (3.00 / 1)

You don't know much about them, do you?
by JamesSWVA on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 03:22:20 AM EST
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Glad to see VA getting in play (none / 0)

Why don't we talk more about Virginia or Nevada and less about Ohio?  The only rweason Ohio was "in play" in 2004 was that Bush's first term had a hurricane Katrina like effect on the state's economy.  Yet it is all Ohio and people complain when we spend time on Virginia, nevada, Colorado, etc.

Let's look at Ohio.  It is arguably the most Republican big state.  At least with Texas i can remember Democratic governors and (yes) Presidents (Ann Richards and LBJ).  I didn't look it up but the last Democratic governor I remember from Ohio was John Gilligan who IIRC was a one term Watergate baby in 1974.  Anmd this despite the fact that it seems like just about every Republican administration was scandal prone.  Presidents?  Hey from 1976 through 1920 we kept getting Republicans from Ohio like hayes (not elected, stole it), Garfield, McKinley, William Howard Taft, and Warren G. Harding.  Ohio is Republican central and people OBJECT to taslking about Virginia??

by David Kowalski on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 07:19:12 PM EST

Re: Glad to see VA getting in play (none / 0)

Republicans have dominated Ohio statewide elections since 1994, but it is wrong to state that Ohio is the most Republican big state.   Ohio is traditionally a swing state.   The last time Ohio voted for the presidential election loser was when it went for Nixon in 1960, which means it voted for Johnson in 1964, Carter in 1976, and Clinton in 1992 and 1996.  

During most of the 1980s, Democrats dominated Ohio state politics.  In addition to Gilligan in the 1970s, Democrat Richard Celeste served as Governor from 1983-1991, a time during which Democrats held all state-wide executive officers, two US Senate Seats (John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum), control  of the state house.  

In 1991, Democrats lost 3 of the 6 statewide offices including Governor, but still also controlled the state House, both US Senate seats, and eleven of the twenty-one US House seats.  Although Ohio voted for Clinton twice, Democrats regressed in Ohio to the point where they are now (no statewide offices nor control of any house of the legislature).   However, Democrats still have a slight registration advantage and only gave Bush slim victories.   With a stronger state party and political mobilization, Democrats could easily be more competitive in Ohio.  

by robstephens on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 10:24:12 PM EST
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I've studied the partisan index since '96 (none / 0)

Although I never called it that until stealing the superior term from Chris a year or so ago. I posted my chart on DU in perhaps early 2003 and several times since.

Most of the points so far are very valid. IMO Virginia is only a 2008 swing state in two respects; 1) if our nominee is carrying the nation by several points which makes Virginia essentially a semi-landslide irrelevancy, and 2) if Warner is on the ticket. It's not impossible we could carry the state with Warner as VP. That would probably provide the standard 3-4 point favorite son bump and get the state very close to even partisanship with the nation IF we can also assume a general 2 point drift in our favor over the four years from 2004 to 2008. That appears to be the pace in Virginia.

With Warner atop the ticket we win Virginia other than a multi-point GOP advantage nationwide, or Goerge Allen as their nominee. The 10-14 point favorite son edge is overstated in regard to Virginia since it's a high populus state and the Republicans would contest it. You can't just look at previous favorite son instances in which the opposing party basically conceded the state and make that 10-14 point guess. Warner's edge would probably be high single digits, 6-9 is my best guess.  

It definitely helps him that no one from Virginia has been on the national ticket in ages. That's one of the considerations those studies regarding favorite son drops fail to account for, basic lethargy and ho-hum. It's almost like a football team that suddenly  revitalizes and captures the attention of a city. The attendance and interest is overflow. Then within a few years you start to fall off and in many cities the attendance plunges again. Gore would have had far superior favorite son numbers in Tennessee in 2000 if he had not been on the ticket in '92 and '96. Likewise Clinton in '96 if it had been a first time event, not a replay.

When I began the partisan index study I was looking at numbers years after the fact and blindly accepted them. More recently I've realized year-specific factors need to be factored in, similar to trip handicapping in horse racing, assessing how the race was run not merely the bottom line speed rating.

Ohio, for example, is falsely labeled as moving into our camp. The state economy was so horrid leading toward and throughout 2004 that we artificially benefitted. I'm very confident it's still 2-3 points GOP at base instinct and will stay that way. There is no obvious demographic slant in our favor like some areas of Colorado or northern Virginia.

In contrast, the Florida state economy was far superior to the nation as a whole in 2004. I don't buy the apparent move to the GOP in the partisan index last year. We probably caught them napping in 2000 in regard to Florida and last year the state economy worked in their favor. The true partisan index, IMO, is smack in between the 2000 and 2004 numbers.

by jagakid on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 09:31:25 PM EST

Re: I've studied the partisan index since '96 (1.00 / 1)

WV is a given and so are alot of other states if a Democrat wins in Virgina. If a Democat is able to take virgina they will probally take most of the Appalachian meaning Clinton plus and probally montana

by orin76 on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 11:33:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I like what I have seen of Warner (none / 0)

particularly his discussion of the future vs. the past and how the Democratic Party has prospered when the party has embraced the future.

Plus...he has a diverse background (law school, co-founder of Nextel)

by v2aggie2 on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 01:02:20 AM EST

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