Newsweek Confirms Huge Generic Lead For Dems

I thought the ABC poll was a bad poll. However, now it has been confirmed by Newsweek. Truly amazing numbers:
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Nov. 10-11, 2005. N=884 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"To begin, suppose the elections for U.S. CONGRESS were being held TODAY. Would you vote for the Republican Party's candidate or the Democratic Party's candidate for Congress in your district?" If other/unsure: "As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward the Republican or the Democrat?" Options rotated

	 Republican	Democratic    Other/Unsure
11/11	     36 		   53		 11
The lead probably isn't quite this high, but it is clearly enormous (NBC shows an 11 point Dem lead). This is exactly what I was talking about in last night's post: Bush's sustained period of incredibly low poll numbers provides a realignment opportunity for Democrats. If Dems won the popular vote for Congress by 17 points, they would take about 275 seats in the House (or more). This also reveals how much of a lie the "voters moving away from Republicans, but not toward Dems" talking point is. This is the largest lead held by one party over another in the generic ballot in a decade. If that isn't voters moving toward Democrats, nothing is. The Republican coalition is in utter peril.



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but the election (none / 0)

is so freaking away...but we still have a lot of ammunition coming to launch at the White House
by rafadex on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:03:57 PM EST

I see good/bad news... (none / 0)

First the bad. I've said this before here so please regard it as an old man entering his dotage if you've heard it already. In polling, nothing beats something every time.

Generic ballots are notorious for that. When people are forced to make choices between people rather than concepts, things change in a hurry (Hence the 90 something percent House reelection rate).

Now the good. HOLY SHIT!!! That's just awful. And with DeLay, Ney et al and their Abramoff problems and Frist with the SEC up his butt, more horrible press is in the offing.

To the extent this creates angst in the GOP caucus and reinforces the notion of corrupt incompetence just as "the American People" are about to get slammed with home heating bills to match their gas prices, they got more than a bump in the road. They ain't got no road.

Ouch and ouch again.

Somebody call a Doctor!

Dr. Phil to Intervene in Troubled Republican Family

by The Muse on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:13:33 PM EST

Re: I see good/bad news... (none / 0)

I'd just like to say that in this case, the problem with this poll is that the phrasing is generic, but GOP scandals are so prolific right now that there isn't a 'generic' GOP... when they hear Republican, they think of DeLay or Bush or even Libby.  So... that can be good and bad.  But I'm not sure there can be a generic v generic right now.  The GOP scandals are just too front-page!
by teknofyl on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:17:41 PM EST
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GOP Talking Points (none / 0)

As explained by our winning candidated next year:
The GOP says "Government can't work.  Elect me, and I'll prove it to you."

Dem candidates' follow-up:

Isn't it time you elected someone who believes in the job you're sending them to do?  Someone who believes that government can and should be the faithful servant of the people?

by Paul Rosenberg on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:20:23 PM EST

Spooky (none / 0)

Does anyone else think it's spooky that Newsweek and Fox News have actually released identical numbers?  
by dimitri on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:21:34 PM EST

If the Dems... (none / 0)

If Democrats would call for a withdrawal from Iraq (pick the timetable for it, who cares) that would increase.  I might even vote for their candidate.
by steve expat on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:25:05 PM EST

Is Chris getting paid for this? (none / 0)

Because he should. You're the man, Chris! Do you have a PayPal thingie?
by Paul Goodman on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:27:02 PM EST

Don't count your chickens... (none / 0)

before they're hatched. While I love seeing these numbers, unfortunetly, as noted in an earlier post generic polls don't really mean a whole lot. Solidly red districts, as well as solidly blue districts will remain true to their color. That's why the dem's must go after the purple districts with everything they've got. Get a stand-up candidate delivering a strong "party message". And it's up to the dem leaders to start delivering that message NOW!
Memo to neocons: I respect your right to have an opinion, but I just don't want to hear it anymore.
by blogus on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:56:21 PM EST

Re: Don't count your chickens... (1.00 / 3)

Good advice from blogus.  "Dem leaders" is an oxymoron ... Dem leaders delivering "a message" beyond a list of complaints devoid of actual plans is more likely.  People don't vote against things, they vote for good ideas ... and the dems don't have any.
by snoopy on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 03:22:39 PM EST
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As I said your in repply to (none / 0)

your last post ...

I did and do believe these numbers. For various reasons. My question to you in this post is...

"This is the largest lead held by one party over another in the generic ballot in a decade."

Is this accurate? You've got data to back this up? That means since the Republican landslide of '94?

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 02:56:36 PM EST

Why the generic is meaningful (none / 0)

In the Congressional approval rating polls, how would you vote?  Can I say that I approved of the job the Dems in Congress have done?  Hell no.  Only in the last few weeks have they shown any signs of life, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they haven't successfully gotten anything accomplished aside from playing a role in saving Social Security.

But who am I voting for?  That's an easy question.

The difference between the generic ballot and the approval ratings is huge.  The base can't really approve of what the Dems in Congress have done for them.  But there's no doubt who gets our vote.

by ZamboniGuy on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 03:15:34 PM EST

National Congressional poll (none / 0)

Sounds great, but is this an 80% margin on the West Coast and in the North East and merely a larger minority elsewhere?  Winning blue states by 70% while losing by "only" 3% elsewhere isn't going to change things much.
by Docsilver on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 03:36:30 PM EST

Re: National Congressional poll (none / 0)

Strong national gains could make big progress in these areas.  Republicans hold 35 seats in the Northeastand a similar number on the west coast (20 in California alone).  There are 9 GOP seats in NY, 6 in NJ. 3 in CT, 12 in PA and a bumch in IL and MI.

FWIW, in the Northeast the seats fall as follows:

Republican, won under 60%    13
Republican, won 60-65%       10
Republican, won 66-69%        7
Republicans, won 70% +        5

With a small Democratic wave,perhaps 13 seats would look somewhat vulnerable but with a tidal wave at least 30 of the seats could fall.  And one of the "safe" seats, Sherwood's, already has scandal attached.

Fewer California seats are under 60% but there is more demographic movement in our favor.

by David Kowalski on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 05:52:19 PM EST
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Re: National Congressional poll (1.00 / 1)

The are only 3 or 4 district in Pennsylvania that are takable by democrats most of the other districts are so gerimandered that they are 60% or more registration majorities and the only person that could win them would be a Tim Holden clone
by orin76 on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 09:31:43 PM EST
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Re: National Congressional poll (none / 0)

Four districts in PA appear pretty much within reason: PA 6 (Gerlach, 51% in 2004), PA 7 (Weldon, 59%), PA 8 (Fitzpatrick, 55%), and PA 15 (Dent, 59%).  These 4 are all part of the 13 Northeastern seats where Republicans scored under 60%.

Four other Republican seats were won with between 60% and 65%: PA 3 (English,60%), PA 4 (Hart, 63%), PA 16 (Pitts, 64%), and PA 18 (Murphy, 63%).  These four seats are part of the 10 Northeastern seats within this range.

One other seat was at 69% (Shuster, PA 9).

If there is a Democratic tsunami next year, a lot of Republican seats are at risk.  

by David Kowalski on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 10:14:40 PM EST
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Re: National Congressional poll (1.00 / 1)

Well first with Dent no one seems to have any interest in running against him but some crackpot I can't remeber his name who will get killed by dent.

Your not going to beat pitts with Lois Herr she's a nice woman and all but simply doesn't have what it takes in the 16th district I know what it's like.

as to the 3rd porter is a college professor so forget about it I'm sorry college profs don't win

As to Shuster no one wants to run against him. Politis is pretty sure he won't run against him and again and the only person who really had a chance against him was cut out of the district in 2002 by redistricting. Also Shuster was still hurt by his father's issues.

Weldon is vunlerable because of the changing dynamics in the 7th and Fitzpatrick possibally is.  

If Centre county Commissioner  Conklin runs in the 5th it maybe up for play.

What is more likely to happen with Sherwood is he will be knocked off by a republican in the primary if anything is going to happen to him

Gerlach 6 is probally beatable that's why he running away from bush faster anyone can see.

As much as I would like to knock out Platts 19 unless he gets caught with a dog he's not going to get knocked out. He's too much like the type of democrat it takes to win here.

Hart maybe vunlerable

the 18th is possible but it's so gerimandered i'm not sure

so more or less

6,7,8 a pretty good chance

3,5,15 is possible if we get a good candidate is possible

4,10,18 slight possiblity
9,16,19 forget about it
 

by orin76 on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 11:27:56 PM EST
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Re: National Congressional poll (1.00 / 1)

I also hate to say Sherwood is not as week as he seems. I'm in one of really red District and we just had a controller elected who stole money from his boro when he was mayor and a mayor who was elected as a mayor who is a convicted Felon and every one knew about these things simply because they are both republicans.  
by orin76 on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 09:54:40 PM EST
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As long as we don't go on a (none / 0)

voyage for generic Democrats or something worse, then we should be in good shape.

I would hope that Republicans are booted in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. Along with assorted Republicans around the nation.

One big thing I hope for is a good slate of candidates, even if some of the dark red districts. Force them to play defense, instead of allowing them to send their luminaries around the nation so easily.

by RBH on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 03:44:05 PM EST

Watergate babies and gerrymanders (none / 0)

The best comparison to 2006 and 2008 at this point would seem to be the Watergate babies of 1974 and Jimmy Carter's election in 1976.  In that case we had a corrupt Republican administration and an unpopular war.  In 1974 we gained 48 seats and in 1976 Dems got over 50% in the Presidential balloting for the only time since 1964 (LBJ landslide).

This year could be worse because of Republican gerrymanders through the courts and legislatures.  The Republican goal was to pack as many minority and other reliably Democratic voters as possible into a small number of Districts creating 80-20 Democratic districts and 60-40 Republican districts  These have created a huge number of seats that are "safe" under ordinary situations but prone to be swept in a political tsunami.  In the Northeast, only 5 of the 35 Republican House members received 70% or more of the vote and Potts, Peterson and Platts in PA were essentially unopposed.  McHugh (NY 23) and Gilchrist (MD 1) scored over 70% as well. Lots of Democratic seats scored above 70%, not just in the cities but also in the suburbs.

So ordinarily we might plateau at 250 seats but under the Republican arranged circumstances we can actually do better.  Yes!!

by David Kowalski on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 03:49:36 PM EST

Don't get overexcited (none / 0)

There are some parts of the electorate who routinely vote out the rascals (e.g. 1990, 1998).....this poll simply show that the sentiment is probably going be a larger percentage of voters than normal.

The reality is that we have largely been snookered decade after decade.  In 1990 and 2000, we lost focus on the big picture and to a lesser extent we lost a lot of 1970 footing in 1980.  We must control as many Statehouses and state legislatures as possible in 2010. There are what 30 gubernatorial races next year (we need to win every blue state governorship that's up and try to purple up as many red states as we can.

The Republican machine knows that since 1994, they have had a majority that only works on absolute adherence the the party line.  If the dems won 12 seats in the House and 3 in the Senate, the Republicans would be sitting on a razor thin majority in both houses of Congress.  Given the congressional dictrict maps, this would be amazing.  But if we try to narrow their majorities down to fuzz and focus on gaining the statehouse edge for redistricting in 2006, we will not only have a Democratic controlled Congress but a progressive majority as well

by kmwray on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 10:05:59 AM EST


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