Cracking The Conservative Base

Republicans Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam have penned a new article in The Weekly Standard that details the coming problems for their party, especially in holding together their base. It should be required reading for everyone interested in rebuilding a Democratic majority in America.

In May, the Pew Research Center released the 2005 edition of its Political Typology, a survey that slices the American electorate into nine discrete groups. Unsurprisingly, the core of the GOP's support turns out to be drawn from "Enterprisers," affluent, optimistic, and staunchly conservative on economic and social issues alike. But the so-called Enterprisers represent just 11 percent of registered voters--and apart from them, the most reliable GOP voters are Social Conservatives (13 percent of registered voters) and Pro-Government Conservatives (10 percent of voters). Both groups are predominantly female (Enterprisers are overwhelmingly male); both are critical of big business; and both advocate more government involvement to alleviate the economic risks faced by a growing number of families. They tend to be hostile to expanding free trade, Social Security reform, and guest-worker proposals--which is to say the Bush second term agenda.

This is the Republican party of today--an increasingly working-class party, dependent for its power on supermajorities of the white working class vote, and a party whose constituents are surprisingly comfortable with bad-but-popular liberal ideas like raising the minimum wage, expanding clumsy environmental regulations, or hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement. To borrow a phrase from Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, Republicans are now "the party of Sam's Club, not just the country club."

Therein lies a great political danger for Republicans, because on domestic policy, the party isn't just out of touch with the country as a whole, it's out of touch with its own base. And its majority is hardly unassailable: Despite facing a lackluster Democratic presidential candidate who embodied virtually all the qualities Americans loathe--elitism, aloofness, Europhilia, vacillating weakness--George W. Bush, war president and skilled campaigner, was very nearly defeated in his bid for reelection. GOP operatives boast that their electoral efforts were targeted down to the minutest detail, and that their marketing prowess delivered victory for the incumbent. The trouble is that even such extraordinary efforts delivered only a narrow victory.

There is no reason we should not be able to win over large numbers of these voters in next year's midterms. The "Pro-Government Conservatives" are the most obvious. As Douthat and Salam point out, we Democrats love to remind voters that, as a fundamentally anti-government party, the Republicans are not effective managers of the government. Hurricane Katrina was the best example of this. FEMA was never taken seriously be the administration and was therefore packed with know-nothing cronies Bush owed favors to. This point was punctuated when the Republican talking heads hit the airwaves to gloat about what a bad job FEMA did, especially when compared to private businesses like Wal-Mart. Never did it occur to these numbskulls that maybe the American people weren't so pleased to see a big government agency fail. After all, if FEMA fails during a flood that they expected, how well can Homeland Security possibly be able to cope with a surprise terrorist attack? These "Pro-Government Conservatives" voters are the anti-Norquists. They may want limited government, but they certainly don't want to drown it in a bathtub. Even the most basic understanding of Maslow's hierarchy of needs will tell you conservative ideology is much less important when one is worried about mere survival.

There also seems to be a much better shot than some might realize at pulling in the Social Conservatives. I know you're all rolling your eyes right now, thinking about Joe Lieberman attacking Hollywood and an abandonment of the right to privacy. But those would be ill conceived and transparent attempts at pandering. I'm not talking about winning the endorsement of Jerry Falwell, here. I'm talking about peeling off enough of those voters to make a difference. There are parts of our message that resonate with that group. If we honestly make the pitch to those voters, we may not change everyone's minds, but we'll start to make inroads. Let's stop corporations from commodifying children. Let's work to alleviate poverty both at home and abroad. These are issues social conservatives and progressives can come together on.

Governor Schweitzer's successful campaign last year in Montana is a perfect example of this. There was no pandering. On one of the key issues of the race, he simply sold what he believed -- environmental protection -- as something good for typically conservative constituencies -- hunters and fishermen. Now, I tend to think that the idea of 'reframing' these issues is a bit oversold. There's much more to repositioning Democratic ideas to appeal to moderate to conservative voters than just semantic shifts. But it certainly starts with reframing the issues and I think the failures of Republican leadership make it easier to do so.



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Needful Souls (none / 0)

Tuesday saw the voters speak, but politics is driven by more than just voters... and the power players are speaking too. It sure seems this Administration has fallen far from grace with the movers and the shakers, as well as their own base. I do not forsee a resurrection for the ultra conservative agenda , only a separation of legitimate, moderate Republicans, leaving the ranks of the extreme right, in order to salvage their own political careers, and their own needful souls. And speaking of needful souls, the Democrats should be doing some real soul searching right now too, and deciding on a well  "framed" platform upon which to dedicate its parties strengths. It has been my long standing  contention that the far leaning  right conservative base is much smaller and much softer than the MSM has protrayed.   Now is the time to captialize on the softness of their committments to an Administration which has so far demonstrated itself incapable of shrinking the size of Government,or administering current programs effectively.
by truemajority on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 09:19:21 AM EST

It's time (none / 0)

For moderate Republicans to switch parties as the conservative Democrats did in the '80s.

Speaking of conservative Democrats, I saw a newspaper headline yesterday that shocked me, "SEX ON TELEVISION, Obama threatens regulation if networks don't tone it down." The Party on the Left has become the Party on the Right?  When I voted for Obama, I never dreamed he favored censorship. His vote to confirm Gonzales left a bad taste in my mouth too.

by antiHyde on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 09:40:43 AM EST

You misunderstood, he was openly Purple (1.00 / 0)

Remember his Speech at the convention? "We believe in a mighty God" or some such thing? We do? Western Civilization is no longer Christian. It has moved on. Most people just go through the motions because they don't know how else to respond to a meaningless universe. Either they are just in shock, or they are blatantly using religion to put a smiling face on their growing dark side. They don't actually believe, not really. In contrast, who really believes that the Earth is spherical or revolve around the Sun? Or that the Sun radiates energy released by fusion? Stuff that Christianity in its true form, actually denies! When it comes to that type of stuff, we really believe. I mean, seriously, you never even think twice about it. Belief in the God of the Bible, etc. can at best be described as heavily alloyed with doubt and/or mental illness.

Also, Barack got around 80% of the vote. How do you do that as a left winger? 20%, maybe, but not 80%.

No, Barack isn't stupid. He knows the game well, and that is why he is a US Senator.

by Paul Goodman on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 10:49:04 AM EST
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Insulting (3.00 / 1)

I tell you, you really won me over with this post. Christianity equals mental illness, huh? The Bible denies that the Earth revolves around the Sun, huh? I now see the light! If I adopt your worldview, can I become as bigoted and mean and just plain wrong as you? I'm sure the world would be a much better place if we all were like this. I can't wait. . . .
by cgeiger on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:53:36 PM EST
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Re: You misunderstood, he was openly Purple (none / 0)

You get that much by running against a guy who is not from the state and is an ULTRA wingnut who alienated his own party.  I like Obama a lot, but he will not get that next time around.

Paul - I would say less go to church, but to think they don't believe in God is incorrect.  A supermajority of Americans believe in a GOD, and the vast majority of those believe in Christian God or say they do.  Even if they don't attend church or really follow the teachings, that doesn't mean they believe.  Not all identifying Christians are Theocons.

And lest we forget, all the Draft Al people demonizing Obama... Gore and Tipper were fighting the music industry the very same way.

And AntiHyde... OBAMA DIDN'T VOTE YES ON GONZALEZ!!!!

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&sessio n=1&vote=00003

He voted yes on Rice as did a majority of Democrats.

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by yitbos96bb on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:11:30 PM EST
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Re: You misunderstood, he was openly Purple (none / 0)

Then he switched his vote because I distinctly remember a news conference/interview where he said he favored confirmation.

I'm not trying to demonize him. I voted for him. I signed his nominating petition. I urged others to vote for him. But I'm very disappointed.

by antiHyde on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 09:45:36 PM EST
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Re: You misunderstood, he was openly Purple (none / 0)

Paul - I believe from previous posts you said you are an atheist.  None of us have ever insulted your beliefs, please don't insult ours.  

To lump all Christians into the same catergory is simply ignorance.  Your writing above takes a small portion of Christianity and chooses to use their beliefs as an example of what all Christians believe.  Yes, some do believe in what you said... the flat earthers for instance... but they are a minority who believe in an absolute literal translation.  Some believe that part is metaphor and part literal.  Liberal Christians believe that the bible is philosphy and allegory.

If you want to write about what Christians believe, take the time to actually research and understand it.  No one said you have to believe, progressive christians such as myself respect all those with different spiritual beliefs.

A lot of progressive Christians don't consider themselves religious, they consider themselves spiritual.  This is because religion divides and spirituality unites.  I am not sure if you are a spiritual person.  If so, you would respect the differences and work to understand them.

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by yitbos96bb on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:21:44 PM EST
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Re: It's time (none / 0)

Obama voted against Gonzales.  Damn guys.  How many times does this have to be said?
by Ramo on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:14:59 PM EST
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Re: It's time (none / 0)

Yeah, Antihyde is from Illinois... he should have known that.  

Obama has had a great liberal voting record.  The only questionable vote was on Rice, which a majority of Dems voted yes on.  Even a guy like Feingold who a lot of progressives love, voted for Roberts.  I am not sure why people are trying to tear down Obama all of a sudden.  

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by yitbos96bb on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:25:22 PM EST
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Re: It's time (none / 0)

Well, when a headline screams at me that my Senator is threatening to censor what I watch, I get peeved.

Now I don't object to ratings, in fact, I desire them. I like to have an idea of what the artistic rules are. But no one should be dictating what another adult sees. And as for kids, they are SUPPOSED to be under parental control. Do you really want Washington raising your kids?

Also, as I posted above, Obama publicly voiced approval of Gonzales, leading this voter to beleive that he voted for him. I'll grant you that the TV news highlighted the approval (and perhaps clipped qualifying remarks) and downplayed the actual vote. Sometimes I see votes in print but very rarely on TV. Obama brought this on himself by flirting with the nomination. He should have said right from the start that the torture memo made him unacceptable no matter what his other virtues may have been.

by antiHyde on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 09:53:40 PM EST
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Dissolution (none / 0)

For the GOP, it's getting perilously close to a full-scale dissolution of their coalition. They built their (slim) majority on anti-tax, God, and "national security." That's the basic mantra of their party. The first being by far the biggest in policy terms because it cut across bounds, but the second was the one that got their foot soldiers out, and the third was the political trump card (we can keep you safe from terrorism/communism). But the first is losing salience (TABOR roll-back in CO, failure of the budget bill yesterday), and the party is proceeding to trash its reputation on national security in the maelstrom of Iraq/Plame.

And I'm in somewhat of a minority in thinking that the Democrats don't need to do all that much to become the majority party. The elements are there, they just have to come together a bit into a more coherent whole.

by BriVT on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 09:49:41 AM EST

Re: Dissolution (none / 0)

If the main elements of their base total 34%, then we don't really need to make much in the way of inroads into this group.  We just need a more solid hold on moderates.  We are never going to get the real hard-core social conservatives, nor should we even try.  What is worth the effort is for Dems to portray themselves as not hostile to people with conservative values.  We believe in decent wages for everyone, regardless of color or religious belief, after all.  Same with health care.  This is what Paul Rosenberg meant by his astute comment above about getting people to focus on the water, not the glass.  

Guns is a good example of an issue that should be treated differetly in different parts of the country.  Environmentalism can be pitched as taking care of God's creation, not despoiling it, as well as preserving fish and wildlife and their necessary habitats for hunters and fishermen as well as for the species themselves.  Tax issues are tailor-made for appealing to working class voters.  

I still think the real challenge for Dems in braodening their appeal is to overcome the image that they are too elitist and look down on ordinary people.  The R's do a much better job of concealing their true contempt for the people who vote for them.  

by Mimikatz on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:31:35 PM EST
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Exurban strategy (none / 0)

Excellent post. What you're describing are two important elements of an exurban strategy. Virginia just showed that the exurban vote is getting soft, and these are important parts of a strategy to pick up disillusioned Republicans.

To your point about social conservatives I would add the abortion issue. We have plenty of credibility to take the Clinton position on abortion, that it should be safe, legal, and rare. We do this by defending Roe v. Wade and achieving actual reductions in abortion rates through contraception and improving the ability of single moms to handle the economic responsibilities of having a baby. (As opposed to conservative policy which has dramatically increased the abortion rate.)

Colorado's Referendum C victory built a lot of goodwill between the Democratic Party and pro-government conservatives. It is a natural alliance and has a bright future.

by pdt on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 10:35:52 AM EST

Why don't we (2.00 / 0)

try to increase the ability of men to earn enough money to support these females they are impregnating, especially black men, through good schools, and government promotion of job-creation?

My conclusion is that single motherhood is like a Ford Pinto. Yeah, you can try to keep dragging it back to the dealer to get repaired, or you can just get a Toyota. The great value of abortion is that it offers irresponsible people (the vast majority) an option other than reproducing. Abortion is like a saftey net so that when their contraception fails or is forgotten, they have something to fall back on. Single motherhood is the exit ramp to poverty. Poverty breeds (you guessed it) poverty. Let's agree that our laws should prefer outcomes in this order for single women who are on the verge of pregnancy:

  1. marriage, backed by good jobs
  2. abortion, funded by the government if necessary
  3. single motherhood, with no government bailout

Is this really novel?
by Paul Goodman on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:17:35 AM EST
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Re: Why don't we (none / 0)

What a compassionate, caring person you are Paul.
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by yitbos96bb on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:27:39 PM EST
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Re: Exurban strategy (none / 0)

In New Jersey, the older suburbs (Bergen County, Passaic County. part of Essex) went Democratic.  The exurbs kept the governor's election close.  Forrester depended pretty much on three counties, all exurbs:Morris, Monmouth, and Ocean.

Even within Morris, town-by-town results showed Forrester had much bigger percentage edges in the smaller, more recently suburbanized towns rather than in Parsippany, Morristown, or the swankier old suburbs like Chatham.

It was an easy observation here that it was the Subarus that had W04 bumper stickers (and 30 something drivers) while the Explorers and Volvos and Acuras had 40 and 50 something drivers and Kerry stickers.

Breaking down the exurbs means making and selling the point that Dem tax plans benefit middle income people while Republican plans gut schools and social security to benefit the very rich.

by David Kowalski on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 06:21:22 PM EST
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Liberal Conservatives & Reframing (3.00 / 2)

Two comments:

(1)

But the so-called Enterprisers represent just 11 percent of registered voters--and apart from them, the most reliable GOP voters are Social Conservatives (13 percent of registered voters) and Pro-Government Conservatives (10 percent of voters). Both groups are predominantly female (Enterprisers are overwhelmingly male); both are critical of big business; and both advocate more government involvement to alleviate the economic risks faced by a growing number of families. They tend to be hostile to expanding free trade, Social Security reform, and guest-worker proposals--which is to say the Bush second term agenda.

This is the Republican party of today... a party whose constituents are surprisingly comfortable with bad-but-popular liberal ideas like raising the minimum wage, expanding clumsy environmental regulations, or hiking taxes on the wealthy to fund a health care entitlement.

There is actually nothing very new about this. As I wrote in an article during the summer of 2004:
[In 1964], Hadley Cantril and Lloyd Free conducted a landmark survey, published three years later in the book The Political Beliefs of Americans. One of their key findings was that almost half of self-described "conservatives" were liberals as far as supporting social spending. The same went for conservatives they identified by ideological beliefs. Beginning in the 1972, the General Social Survey (GSS) has repeatedly produced similar findings. Looking at cumulative results in seven issue areas, more conservatives usually wanted to raise spending, rather than lower it. This was true every time for education (22-0), the environment (22-0), health care (22-0), and social security (14-0), and most of the time for aid to cities (19-3) and defense (14-8). The conservatives only split decision came on aid to blacks (11-11). But when you add in those who want to keep spending the same, self-described "conservatives" who favor cutting spending are a minority every time.
As the parties have become more ideologically polarized, more of these "operationally liberal" conservatives have been concentrated in the GOP.  But, as a group, their ambiguous political views have not changed substantially for as long as we have polled about it.

(2)

Now, I tend to think that the idea of 'reframing' these issues is a bit oversold. There's much more to repositioning Democratic ideas to appeal to moderate to conservative voters than just semantic shifts.
Refreaming is not "just semantic shifts."  Reframing is not about arguing over whether a glass is half-empty or half-full. It's about shifting attention from the glass ("big government") to the water (social security, education, environmental protection, health care, etc.)  And with attention comes everything else: It's about articulating the logic and morality of the water.  It's about making it real, immediate and compelling. It's about making water the central concern of our politics.  Which is what liberals have always believed that it is.
by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 10:43:11 AM EST

Refreshing (none / 0)

To see some conservatives admit Bush's "mandate" was nothing more than a narrow victory.

In fact, they're using the talking points against Kerry to show how bad the republicans really have it, in saying such a "poor" candidate still almost beat them.  I will agree Bush got a lot of votes from people who just hated Kerry.  For all their talking points about Bush-bashers, they benefitted far more from "Anybody but Kerry" voters than we did from the ABB vote.

They do neglect to mention the 3 million vote pasting the democrats gave the republicans in total senate votes.  Only the bizarre and un-representative nature of the senate gives the republicans a majority there.  Something like 15 million californians per senator, versus 250 000 Wyomingians per senator - That's fair!

by scientician on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 10:44:11 AM EST

They didn't want to have a beer with him. (3.00 / 1)

Maybe we should eliminate popular suffrage? I mean seriously. If the President is someone who has to sit across the table from the Chineese in trade negotiations, for example, do you want it to be a guy like Barney from the Simpsons? You want him to be Olypian, aloof perhaps, but above all smart and tough.

Men of talent abound, as they did in 1775, and as they always do. But if their selection is left to a jealous, self-hating "people", then you will continue to get the Bush's and the Schwarzenegger's of the world.

When you look closely at the GOP, you can acertain that they always pair a charismatic front man who does the photo-ops with a uncharismatic smart guy who actually does the job. Powell-Armitage. Bush-Cheney. Brown-Chertoff. Arnold surely has less charismatic puppet-masters telling him what to do.

Do democrats do the same? Dukakis-Bentson, Mondale-Ferraro, Kerry-Edwards. And what about Bill Clinton? The man definitely breaks the pattern, by being both charismatic and smart, and by winning.

So we have three alternatives:

  1. Restore aristocratic despotism
  2. use a face-brain system like the GOP
  3. enlighten and enoble the people

I prefer 3, but it the most difficult of the three options. It's hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
by Paul Goodman on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:04:34 AM EST
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Anger Point Politics (none / 0)

The key to the success of the Rove/RushBo coalition is anger -- pushing the emotional hot buttons of frustrated and pissed off voters.

For the GOP, the anger hot buttons are blacks, gays, cultural decadence, taxes, intrusive government, etc., etc. While they have been very successful in targeting their coded messages, there are a number of fracture lines in the coalition. Libertarians and cultural conservatives, anti-tax corporatists and blue collar workers, are NOT natural allies.

In fact, the future success of the Democratic Party may well be predicated on pushing anger point hot buttons, of voters who used to be in the GOP coalition.

Remember -- the New Deal coalition relied on anger at the Malefactors of Great Wealth and other GOP types, that had destroyed American prosperity through greed and corruption. There are many voters today that will be open to attacks along the same lines.

And for those Democratic politicians and consultants who think we can regain the majority without pushing hot buttons -- forget it. Emotional politics ALWAYS trumps rational politics, and the key to victory is to have more potent wedge issues than the other side.

by ck on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:06:38 AM EST

Interesting (none / 0)

...that conservative pundits are only now recognizing that Bush had a narrow win, and not a "mandate".

I guess that means they're one year behind liberals in facing up to reality?

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by LiberalFromPA on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:11:12 AM EST

Just remember... (none / 0)

The minute the Democratic party has a platform that can beat out Republicans for Social Conservatives is the minute I am no longer a Democrat.  When this party becomes the home for anti-gay, anti-choice, anti trade voters, then what's the point?

Remember, if the Reps ever lost the social conservatives, yes, they would lose votes initially, but it would allow them to take positions that would attract more libertarians and Dem-leaning independents.

Also, social conservatives are directly opposed to our social liberal party base.  Even these "pro-government conservatives" are primarily anti-gay and anti-choice.

The reason we are a 50/50 nation right now is not so much societal as it is due to advances in the sophistication of American politics.  The political market is very efficient.  When one or the other of the two major parties loses, they will adjust their platform to compensate.

If we add these types to our party, then it is a pyrrhic victory because we can't be who we are and accomodate them.

A better goal is to modulate our message enough that these conservatives are less energized and stay home in greater numbers on election day.  

by alhill on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:12:37 AM EST

Modulate is a synonym for moderate (none / 0)

my 2 cents.
by Paul Goodman on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:19:25 AM EST
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Re: Just remember... (none / 0)

I think my whole point was that we don't appeal to people who are "primarily anti-gay and anti-choice," but rather try to shave off voters who have aligned themselves with people who are "primarily anti-gay and anti-choice" for reasons that don't necessarily make sense.

I was talking with someone from the Corzine campaign this weekend about conservative voters (not sure if she wants her name mentioned, so I won't). Both of us know a decent number of people who consider themselves to be "socially conservative," but aren't really active in Republican politics. They aren't involved in anti-choice or anti-gay activism. They don't really give too much thought about politics or social issues. They're social conservatives largely because they hear right wing talking points everywhere they go and just sort of absorb them. They just live their lives and vote Republican.

When you talk to these soft social conservatives at any length, you realize they aren't hatemongers. They've just drunk the Kool Aid. "Jeez, I've never thought about it that way," is the most common answer you'll hear when you explain your positions. This is why I'm a fan of Howard Dean. Even though he's said some really harsh things about "Republicans," by no means does the guy hate Republican voters. He gets them. He knows that rural voters should be in the Democratic coalition, even if they (mistakenly) self-identify as "social conservatives." Those are the people I'm hopeful that we'll turn, not the wingnuts.

by Scott Shields on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:52:15 AM EST
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GOP is vulnerable... (none / 0)

...but social conservatives will never vote Democratic, because abortion and control of the Supreme Court is their overriding concern.  They are more likely to bolt to the Constitution Party, or stay home, than to vote Democratic.

Pro-government conservatives could easily switch to the Democrats, of course, but more shaky Republican voters could be pried away by running a fiscally conservative Democrat who promised not to raise taxes.  After 8 years of Bush, there will be plenty of fat to cut from the budget.

And I'm still laughing at the line that the Republican Party is fundamentally anti-government.  They started out as the party of big government with Lincoln, and they've shown their true colors since gaining control of Congress and the White House, outspending Clinton by 38% and counting.

by Lex on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 11:56:27 AM EST

Question (none / 0)

What is the difference between a Social Conservative and a Pro-Government Conservative?

Wouldn't they both be the same thing?

by dayspring on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:07:24 PM EST

You can be a wingnut and still want... (none / 0)

...microscopic government-it's just the social issues are more important to you.  A progovernment conservative is a wingnut who wants social programs and Democratic-sized government, higher minimum wage, etc.
by Geotpf on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 05:56:57 PM EST
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hmm not so sure about social cons not voting dem (none / 0)

brownback, as crazy as the guy is, is obsessed w/ global poverty. a lot of social cons are all about getting rid of other countries' social and political problems (malaria, corruption, etc) -- because it comes from their christian principles. i honestly believe they want to help these people abroad (although they are certainly crazy at home)

these are democrat issues. rush limbaugh-repubs don't like helping the poor people in some african country -- brownback's issues are our issues (there's a phrase i never thought i'd write haha).

reframing these issues ISN'T modulating (or being moderate). it's casting progressive solutions as moderate solutions. it's using moderate language to get to progressive ends.

like... the un: we should be saying we want to make the un as strong as possible to have more eyes abraod and stop conflicts before they start (peace-niks/snowcroft-types are happy)

economic morality: we should talk about god when it really affects us (see: kaine when talking about dealth penalty) or when it affects someone at another's expense. we should be all about public morality (progressive), but stay out of my private morality (libertarian). that peels away voters...

alhill, peeling away voters isn't a choice for political purity it's a choice for political power. it'd be great to have the party SAY what we want, but that's not possible. it has to say the most broadly appealing things about the ends we are trying to pursue: progressive solutions.

that's exactly why dlc-types get trounced in boards like this, because they don't follow reagan's 11th commandment: don't bash a fellow party member (or they just want republican solutions). the fiery moveon folks provide the spirit to the party, but the dlc-types can't seem to figure out that while the dean-fiery-types' rhetoric isn't too palatable to the general public (although it is to me), their solutions are.

this article was great. it's as if the author said "ok, enough with republican bs, let's make a new ideology all together -- one that talks about poor people, etc -- IN ORDER TO WIN" as usual it always comes back to the dems looking to help people first and how to accomplish that, the repubs just want power and party.

by jessev on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:21:15 PM EST

GOOD Point (3.00 / 0)

Americans will likely continue, ad infinitum, to re-elect a war president.

Americans will impeach a president who stages a war just to get re-elected, and definitely will impeach a president who invades an innocent country and murders its citizens to pay off vulture-like oil companies that are hiking bills on its own citizens.

Bush today really tried to beg americans to consider the Democrat's view that knowing the full story as to why we went to war - why, for example Americans were being asked to stomach an entirely new form of dealing with other countries who haven't invaded or harmed us - "Pre-emptive Self Defence" - why it all happened. The truth.

Its amazing. Look at this guy.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/11/bush.intel/index.html

He is the one reason why I left the republican party in the year 2000 and god willing I will be a democrat for life if we can find a way to never let people like him rise to power ever again, him and his Karl Rove pal. If the Democrats can secure the ground of honest, truthful, and accountable government with basically - how else can we say it - no surprises, just good old fashioned all american federal getting the job done... man... I swear this self-identified independent voter will hang up his guns and settle down to raise a family.

As it stands, seeing bush taking a Karl Rove CAMPAIGN STYLE approach to try to dissuade americans from looking into his underhanded dealings on - is about as physically revulsive as having DICK cheney go in there and try to persuade the US Senate that we should torture people.

This kind of thing is just killing us.
When does it end?
Where are the Ken Starrs of the democratic party?

by turnerbroadcasting on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:45:55 PM EST

most definitely (none / 0)

turnerbroadcasting, i just saw bush's speech too, and good lord -- "bush is going over the heads of democrats to appeal to the voters"??? are you f'in kidding me? so, he wants more division, more republican alienation from the political process? at a time when moderate repubs just bucked party leadership in the house and senate, he needs all the help he can get from the dems...

another point i thought of, when that cnn anchor asked the usual "well, what WOULD THE DEMOCRATS DO IN IRAQ, HMMMM?" question. it goes back to my obsession with making the un the main foreign policy component of the democratic party -- how it would bring together the party (peace-niks and snowcroft/mccain types) ------ when that anchor said that, it just popped in my head:

what if hillary gets the pres in 08, and
what if bill gets the un secretary general position he's been campaigning for...
we'd have a global force -- one that can go after genocides, etc, but still have a democratic process before going into somewhere like iraq. this would replace congress, as they don't decide to go to war anymore anyway. this would make it much harder to go to war without reason(as i think joe klein has argued for in the context of bringing back congressional authorization)

maybe then the dems can answer that cnn anchor, "well we'd go in w/ a lot of the world's countries soldiers ... or if we all decide it's worth it to stay out, then we'll stay out. iraq's part of the world community now, so it's the world community's decision to intervene"

takes the pressure off us but leaves open future un action should any more craziness happen as a result of "bush's war"

(before someone points this out: yea i know the un charter says no combat, but look how well that worked in rwanda. it should be changed)

by jessev on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 12:59:00 PM EST

Bad but popular... (3.00 / 1)

bad-but-popular liberal ideas like raising the minimum wage

What a piece of shit this guy is... Republican or not, god forbid we want to give people a decent wage to live on and healthcare.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:02:34 PM EST

Re: Bad but popular... (none / 0)

Good call.  It's their contempt for the working poor that saddens me.  Social darwinism still lives in these fucks.
by scientician on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 01:12:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Want to crack conservative base?... (none / 0)

Bush is drinking again.  Sloppy drunk in this clip:
http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/isbushdrunkie.wmv

This should be an issue.

by steve expat on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 02:47:30 PM EST

They Want The GOP To Become The Democratic Party! (none / 0)

I finally got around to reading the end of the article in question. And wouldn't you know it--their solution for the GOP (unbeknownst to them, of course): Become the Democratic Party!

So today's Republican party should be in favor of helping recent immigrants get ahead and slowing the flow of illegal labor--
See Jimmy Smit's in last week's West Wing debate, written by Clinton speechwritter Lawrence O'Donnell.

in favor of providing a helping hand to the hard working poor
the way the welfare states of Europe do. Or like the Dems have done with the earned income tax credit, the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week, Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc., etc.

and cutting subsidies to the idle and shiftless--
such as  the Paris Hilton crowd Bush loves so much.

in favor of a tax policy that favors the working class and the productive rich.
Such as the tax policy we had back in the 1960s, when growth was high, and deficits low.

Above all, it should be in favor of limited government, and in favor of using government's considerable power to shore up the institution that makes a limited government possible--the beleaguered but resilient American family.
Limited government--in the true meaning of the word, as opposed to absolutist government, in which the executive can do whatever it wants, unconstrained by any laws... much less pesky constitutional rights like habeus corpus.

Critics will carp that such a party would be trying to be too many things to too many people. But there's a term for a party that attempts this feat and succeeds: a majority party.
Yup!  That's the Democratic Party, all right!

by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 04:32:08 PM EST

What this means is VERY simple: (none / 0)

what we need is a simple, coherent, ECONOMIC message.  It's that easy.  And this message should be based on healthcare and working people.  I'm not saying all these voters are ripe for the picking, but if we can get, say, twenty percent or these pro-government social conservatives, we'd be a majority party.

A lot of economically struggling voters out there will overlook our social liberalism if we give them a REASON to.  Dems need to come up with this economic message stat.  This message will unite our base with the rural areas and suburbs.  Rich, non-socially conservative exurbs like those found in FL, AZ, MO, OH, and TX will not be with us in the near-term.  However, as Tuesday proved, the socially LIBERAL Northern VA and Long Island and New Jersey exurbs are a natural fit for us.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 05:32:03 PM EST

reframing (none / 0)

"A lot economically struggling voters out there will overlook our social liberalism if we give them a REASON to."

I think this is true.  We should simplify the gay rights / reproductive rights argument to something like "Keep the government out of my bedroom and out of my body."  Getting pulled into "nuanced" discussions of this distracts (almost absolutely in the press) from the economic message we're trying to present and doesn't win anybody over.  Compromising on these rights-based values does us no good at all and makes those who don't compromise appear to have "leadership" (which people vote for even when the disagree).  To shift the debate to economic (populist) issues we have to spend less time on the knee-jerk "morality" ones (they aren't going to vote with us anyway).  Also localizing gun issues would remove a major cultural wedge that alienates lots of working rural males.  

by steveketchup on Sat Nov 12, 2005 at 12:45:47 PM EST


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