OH Sen: Looks Like Brown Is In

Contested primary ahoy:
Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) is telling leading Dems he's in the race against Sen. DeWine in Ohio, will announce this week.
Can't say I have decided who to support yet. I have, at different times, strongly advocated for both of them to run, since I thought that they would both be very strong candidates. I can say that simply because Brown changed his mind does not count as a mark against him in my book. So freakin' what? This is politics, not a game of golf.

Brown would be an absolutely outstanding Senator--quite possibly the best Senator in the entire country. However, according to Zogby Hackett already has a solid lead over DeWine, while the only Brown vs. DeWine poll showed DeWine vulnerable, but not quite as vulnerable. It could be a battle of ideology and legislative ability versus truth-telling and electablity.

From the online polls I have seen so far, it looks like the netroots is ready at this point to give the edge to a gutsy truth teller when put up against a highly capable progressive. That might go a long way toward proving Kos's theory on the netroots and ideology, and disproving mine.

I still think that DeWine will be comfortably beaten by whoever wins the Democratic primary. Yet another poll is in the extended entry.


Poll
Who would you rather see as the Democratic Senatorial nominee in Ohio?
Sherrod Brown
Paul Hackett

Votes: 414
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


If both would be good (3.00 / 2)

and we don't live in Ohio, why should we choose?  And in any case, why now?  Why not let the process play out and see how it goes?  See who actually has the organization, the compelling message etc instead of guessing what things will be like in 6 months?
by Mimikatz on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:16:27 PM EST

Re: If both would be good (none / 0)

It won't be settled here, that's for sure. Sherrod's in, I think that's great, now Ohio gets to decide.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:48:37 PM EST
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The solution: we need BOTH of them in the Senate. (none / 0)

It can be Brown in 2006, and then Hackett in 2010 when Voinovich retires.

Or it can be Hackett in 2006, and then Brown in 2010 when Voinovich retires.

I really don't care, but let's please keep our eyes on the real prize, people.

by betterdonkeys on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 01:16:55 PM EST
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Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

Too late.  I don't like the shit he has pulled.  I won't be helping him.  Zzzzzzzzz
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:40:38 PM EST

Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

You mean like the strings he pulled for Hackett?
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:47:40 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

cha ching!
by TimRusso on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:49:12 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

 a) Point out the parts of the record that make your client looks good. b) make the other guy look weak c) get on the payroll of those you advocating for.
by bruh21 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:50:32 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

You can drop that crap right now. From what Tim Tagaris told me when he came down to the 2nd to check out Hackett he was AWOL... Brown was against him being there.

Good for Brown for eventually listening, but the hustle was all Tagaris.

Taking credit for Hackett's success at the same time as you're kniving him in the back is petty.

Editor
Ohio 2nd Blog
by ignatzmouse on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:28:57 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

NO NO NO.

I said that I wasn't sure if they were going to let me go down there, but eventually they sent me.  I couldn't have gone without the OK.

You might have noticed I have removed myself from this discussion, please don't draw me in.  

Tim

by Tim Tagaris on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:32:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

Sorry... I'll keep you out of it.
Editor
Ohio 2nd Blog
by ignatzmouse on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:38:53 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

what you up to these days?
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:46:45 PM EST
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Re: Fine. Let him run. (none / 0)

How about an "I dont know" response to the poll question?
by AC4508 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:54:23 PM EST
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Brown is in. (none / 0)

I'm really kind of disappointed.  I live in North
Central Ohio, and I felt that Sherrod would work as hard as he could in the House until the Voinovich slot opened up.  Sherrod is populaR AND well like here in the norther half of Ohio, and is
in safe position.
I would have thought the practical thing to do would be to use his influence to help Hackett win
in Southern Ohio and then eventually have two Dem
Senators in Ohio.
by tommi on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:43:46 PM EST

And this is how we lose (none / 0)


by bruh21 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:45:16 PM EST

Disturbing (none / 0)

It disturbs me that Brown would enter the race just when the buzz around Hackett is reaching its peak. From what I know about him, I like Brown, but Democrats in Ohio do not need two great progressives wasting their resources fighting it out in the primaries while a much tougher race lies ahead for the winner going head-to-head against DeWine. DeWine will no doubtedly have a lot of money ready to go after a possibly uncontested primary run. This battle within the party is probably exactly what the RSCC is hoping for.

While I think my support currently leans toward Hackett, I would be happy if either one of the candidates stepped down to rally behind the other.

by lalawguy on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:49:02 PM EST

Sucks (none / 0)

I definately don't like this but, oh well. Hopefully it will be a very civil primary.

I don't agree though that the netroots is lining up behind Hackett because he is a truth teller and that is more important than ideology.

I think it's a matter of most people not knowing who the heck Sherrod Brown is. Plus everyone fell in love with Paul Hackett just a few months ago. Many people invested time and money into his race and followed it intensely.

Sherrod just doesn't have the street cred with the Kos community. Oh well, he's still got my vote. And I agree that he would be the best Democratic senator in the country if we won (considering that Bernie Sanders is technically an independent).

by adamterando on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:07:20 PM EST

Re: Sucks (none / 0)

nah, that's a really high bar to stand. It's really hard to beat Boxer, Feingold, and Reed.
by KainIIIC on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:04:29 PM EST
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this is great news (3.00 / 0)

I've said this sort of thing before in another context - I'm delighted if there's going to be a primary.  Hackett, especially, needs to be tested.  He ran a hell of a race against Schmidt, but state-wide is a whole different ball game... and he also benefited in OH-02 by flying under the radar screen of the national party until the very end.

If he can prove himself statewide against another progressive, then he's the man to take down DeWine.  If not, then, all the much better Brown was in the race.  As long as they can keep it above the belt, this is a great development, IMHO.  Or IMNSHO, if you prefer.  ;)

by arenwin on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:16:00 PM EST

Re: this is great news (none / 0)

Trial by fire. Sure... I can see that.
Editor
Ohio 2nd Blog
by ignatzmouse on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:29:39 PM EST
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Re: this is great news (none / 0)

and, we should feel blessed that we have TWO candidates we like.
SquareState.net - Colorado Politics
by pacified on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:00:13 PM EST
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Brown (none / 0)

Does anyone in the know think that Brown may be too liberal to win in Ohio.  Honestly, what are your opinions.  I'm looking at this purely from a pragmatic, political point of view.  Take off the rose colored glasses.

I just have the feeling that the Republicans would have a field day painting Brown as too lefty for Ohio.

by Eric11 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:04:30 PM EST

Re: Brown (none / 0)

I don't know much about Brown or his district, but just on the numbers it is only marginally Democratic  (Cleveland suburbs).
by asf6 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:16:56 PM EST
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Re: Brown (none / 0)

Brown I believe is a straight shooter.  He won high praise here in Northern Ohio for his effort
trying to help both business and workers keep their jobs,during the recent free trade arguments even though he lost a very closthe House vote.

I will try to keep the list up to date from a close perspective when I can, as I usually see and talk to Mrs. Brown (his mother) at our weekly DEM county meeting.  During the 2004 election, she
personally registered something over 100 new
voters just on her own efforts.

by tommi on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:29:49 PM EST
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Hm they should poll Ohio on the Sen. Dem. (none / 0)

Nomination.
Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:41:48 PM EST

Changed my vote (1.00 / 1)

I voted for Hacket on dkos, but that was before I looked into Brown in-depth and also before I heard about Hackett acting like a child in Reid's office.  Combine that with his "quit being a typical democrat get off my ass" comment on dkos (the punctuation bugged me as much as anything) and I don't really know about him.  He may be too much of a marine (this from someone once stationed with marines).

His youth, big ego, temper, and lack of a voting record have me worried he could turn out to be less of a progressive than he seems.  I'd really hate to dedicate time to a future Lieberman.

But with Brown we have a 100% guarantee of awesomeness.

by Bodot on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:51:53 PM EST

Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

Too early to say either way.  Who knows what will happen.  We may also flush any chance we have down the drain if Brown gets the nomination.  Only time will tell.
by Eric11 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:12:34 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

Do you have a link?  Btw, the Reid office thing has been thoroughly debunked on the blogosphere today, FWIW.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:13:25 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (1.00 / 1)

http://paul-hackett.dailykos.com/comments/2005/8/1/13130/71711/30#30

I do reserve the right to change my mind again if a more valid poll comes out showing it would cost a few million less to get Hackett into the seat.

by Bodot on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:31:58 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

Thanks.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:05:53 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

it's not just about money. time should also be a consideration. how much time will be wasted with an infight within a state that leans Republican? Will this give the Republicans enough to regroup from what are events in 2005 so that they can run an effective strategy in 2006.
by bruh21 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:49:26 AM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

I like Hackett myself he can speak has National Attention and can't be Labeled a Washingtion Liberal. We know he won't be Liberman unless he lied to us in every single speech he made as far as i can see besides Gun Control he is with the Democrats on everything. I think Brown made a mistake jumping out early and i don't see how conditions have changed but it is his choice.
Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:37:21 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

I take issue with your characterization of being pro-gun as not being "with" the Democrats.  I'd bet in a nationwide poll a majority of self-styled Democrats in this country would be pro-second amendment.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:51:41 PM EST
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Re: Changed my vote (none / 0)

I sure as hell am not and i am a Liberal Democrat. AWB. was passed by Democrats. But i'm willing to let that one slide it isn't exactly the most important issue.
Running the Davis, Nelson Klein team in Florida.
by Liberal on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:34:01 PM EST
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The Reid thing was BS (none / 0)

It never happened.
by Geotpf on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 04:00:56 PM EST
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I think I'm with Jerome (none / 0)

The Zogby poll that showed Hackett beating DeWine was one of those odd Internet-based Zog/WSJ polls we should remember as total outliers (and lousy predictors) from the '04 cycle. Most of those polls (not all of them) favored Dems (we're younger, we're online more, even though Zog tried to correct for it).

Hackett is beloved of the netroots, but the netroots need to remember that we're just one leg of the big chair that is the party (and we love attention, just like the other legs do). Both candidates look great, but I trust Jerome's arguments for Brown; there are worse things than contested primaries, but I'd like to see Hackett run for something else statewide. (Also, if we imagine that either candidate would win, wouldn't you rather have a Senator with prior experience of elective office than one without?)  

by accommodatingly on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:26:53 PM EST

Top Ten Reasons Why Hackett Will Win the Primary (none / 0)

From SSP.

10. Sherrod Brown is already being mocked by the press for his waffle (or Decision Consistency Agility as you glass is half full types would say)

9. Paul Hackett's straight talk is loved by the press

8. Congressman Tim Ryan encouraged Hackett to run

7. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee urged Hackett to run

6. Hackett positioned himself behind the other Democrats, but has a nation-wide base

5. The Democratic Blogosphere delivered for Hackett -- even winning the Political Play of the Week

4. Hackett has a 70% pt. lead in the netroots

3. Unlike Brown, Hackett has great timing

2. Hackett can win in rural Ohio

1. In a nation at war, a Marine Major outranks a Washington Politician -- Congress needs an Iraq War Veteran

Sherrod Brown is a waffle, Mike DeWine is toast, and Major Hackett is hungry.

by blogswarm on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:40:13 PM EST

Re: Top Ten Reasons Why Hackett (none / 0)

Bob, you forgot guns and the NRA.  I wish people would stop underestimating the power of the gun issue with rural voters who would be solid Dems in every election but for that issue.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:53:25 PM EST
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Re: Top Ten Reasons Why Hackett (none / 0)

Covered in the winning in rural Ohio link...

It isn't just guns, it is identity. Hunters and sportsman identify with Hackett, not just because he is in favor of rights, but because he knows how to handle a piece. I'm a Montanan, I understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment, but it goes beyond that. It isn't just that Hackett checks the right boxes on the questionaire about the issue, it isn't the fact he can put a hole through a penny at a hundred yards, the key is that when he talks with people who own guns, he connects because he comes from the same place.

by blogswarm on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:14:08 PM EST
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Re: Top Ten Reasons Why Hackett (none / 0)

Great point.  As a person who is originally from Arizona, I know exactly what you mean.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:21:48 PM EST
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Bravery (none / 0)

Why would Brown run for Senate in a primary against Hackett for any other reason than a belief that he has something better to offer Ohio?  Regardless of who you support, a decision to announce at the very last minute is best described as "Bravery".  These decisions are not made lightly, and Brown is risking a hell of a lot more by abandoning a safe House seat.

It is worth noting that Ted Strickland is also "flip-flopper" when judged by the same standards.  And yet how many on this blog threw their hands up in dismay when he retracted his earlier statement in order challenge Mayor Coleman for the Democratic nomination?

For all we know, it is possible that one evening Congressman Strickland turned to Brown, who has been actively campaigning on his behalf, and said:
"Sherrod, I appreciate everything you've done for me in my efforts to save Ohio.  But more than anything else I want to know that I'll have a Senator back in DC fighting for Ohio once I'm elected Governor.  And there is nobody that I'd trust more than you."

Whatever you think about primaries, they aren't for the those who jump at the first sign of danger.  It says wondrous things about every Democrat on Ohio's '06 ballot that they were willing to risk time and tears for the opportunity to help their state.

And I have faith that Hackett and Brown are both men of such high ideals that they would never cripple one another in a primary.  Regardless of who they are, our nominee will be all the more strong from having passed through a primary.

http://blog.ryanvdewine.com - I Almost Pity DeWine
by RosenKnight on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:55:28 PM EST

Re: Bravery (none / 0)

Why would Brown run for Senate in a primary against Hackett for any other reason than a belief that he has something better to offer Ohio?

Um, ego? Same reason Kerry worked harder to beat "Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean!" (sardonic Kerry comment during the primaries) than he did to defeat Bush.

"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:29:47 PM EST
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Brown (none / 0)

For people who seem to know very little about Brown a large number sure seem to want to crucify him.
Know whereof you speak.
Have you ever run for office?
I ran once because my party didn't have another candidate. I had a brand new baby at home, a fulltime job and nothing to gain businesswise (my business is not local so the name recognition gained had no value) or otherwise by running.  I have and had no political aspirations yet we needed a candidate. The campaigning is 24/7.  Don't think I didn't need two or three months to convince my family?
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 02:02:00 PM EST
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Why We Can't Wait (none / 0)

When Paul Wellstone died in a plane crash, the Senate lost an exceptional voice for progress and equality.

Our Democratic stable is not as deep as the Republicans. Often the candidates with the money and the muscle to mount a serious campaign are either compromised or centrist.

Brown is neither.  On trade, on poverty, on corporate abuses of power, on every core Democratic cause he has been there fighting in the trenches.  (Ever wish for a Congressmen who cares about malaria and TB - the diseases of poverty - in the 3rd World as much as the hollowing out of American industry?)

But he does have the juice to mount a serious challenge to DeWine, and wrest OHIO, that crucial swing state, from Republican control.  

Kudos to Maj Hackett for his 1st run. I look forward to more. But Sherrod Brown is that rare combination we can't wait any longer for - someone with the skills to win elections, but the heart to stay uncorrupted.  

Hackett may be promising, but Brown is tried and tested- the true metal I've been waiting for.

by duffman on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:58:20 PM EST

Re: Why We Can't Wait (none / 0)

Brown has won election after election in a safe district.  Right now, Ohio is a state that does not elect Democrats to state-wide offices.  I don't see how Brown can attract the rural and moderate/centrist vote in the same way that Hackett would be able to, and one needs to do in order to win a state-wide race.  For that reason, I disagree with you.  

If you want to talk about electability, I think Hackett beats Brown easily.  

by Eric11 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Why We Can't Wait (none / 0)

For what it's worth, his district went only 52-44 for Kerry. Hardly "safe."
by asf6 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:22:57 AM EST
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Re: Why We Can't Wait (none / 0)

And by Kerry I mean Gore.

http://www.ncec.org/redistricting/districtce03.html?district=oh108

by asf6 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:23:16 AM EST
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Re: Why We Can't Wait (none / 0)

elections are about character and overall impressions, and not check lists of issues in which you personally supprt the candidate. Which of these two guys has shown that he has consistently had the character that appeals to people the most?
by bruh21 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:46:58 AM EST
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Let's be clear... (none / 0)

Sherrod Brown is an excellent member of the House and if he runs for the Senate, we definitely could lose his House seat.  Also, Brown was begged and begged to run for the Senate and refused.  Then Hackett came along and became really popular with many Ohioans and on the net.

I would have supported Brown if he had run when first asked, but not now.  Hackett will make a really strong candidate.  He's likely to be stronger at attracting moderate Ohio voters as a vet and with his gun stand (which I don't agree with).

I pray we don't have a messy divisive primary because we'll waste money and DeWine can only benefit.

The Washington Dem establishment definitely is becoming less and less popular out here in the heartland.  If they truly want to help the country and get a Senate majority and perhaps a House majority in 2006, they'll convince Brown to run for re-election.

by Retired in Ohio on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:19:45 PM EST

When is the primary? (none / 0)

Hopefully not too late in the game.  If this turns into a nasty primary, we won't have a shot.  At very least, I hope both candidates help each other and the party out by remaining amicable.  
by Eric11 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:51:12 PM EST

If anyone is curious as to why (none / 0)

I say "this is how we lose" look at what's occuring here already. The party is being divided. Brown's supporters are coming out trying to take down Hackett. Hackett will have to come out against Brown. As I understand it from people claiming to be inthe state- it's not exactly like the Democrats are a strong party there. You can't rest of Republican screw ups a way to win. You need to be able to spend all of your efforts on beating down the Republican in a Republican leaning state. Instead, time will be wasted (forget money- its also about time and effort) on a primary. All because one candidate decided to stick his finger into the wind
by bruh21 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:44:39 AM EST

Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

We don't need a coronation. I think a primary rumble between Hackett and Brown is actually the best possible outcome. It will get Ohioans to decide what they want, who they want to lead that state and why. The winner will be energized to beat DeWine and reduce the amount of money needed to popularize the race. (The primary season providing lots of free publicity.)

The only people worried about tough primaries in 2006 are the Iraq war appeasers hoping for 2008. They realize that if we do have a debate within the party it won't be long before the party's divide over Iraq boils to the surface and some serious antiwar candidates start winning not just the nomination but national office.

Once the bums are starting to get thrown out, it won't matter if they are Republican or Democrat and that's exactly what everyone is secretly worried to death about.

by risenmessiah on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 02:16:23 AM EST
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Re: Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

we shall see- i think it's a waste of time, effort, thinking, passion and resources that are aleady in short supply
by bruh21 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:11:19 AM EST
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Re: Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

The GOP had no problem winning in primaries AND the general election last year. I'd probably, all things being equal, rather one of the guys (Brown and Hackett) drop out of the race. If not, as long as the primary is civil, its not the worst thing in the world and wont be a serious impediment to our chances in beating DeWine.
by AC4508 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

We aren't the Republicans, and this isn't a blue state.
by bruh21 on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 11:35:46 PM EST
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Re: Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think the Republican's strategy has been pretty sucessful, don't you?  
by Eric11 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:14:10 AM EST
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Re: Thinking Like a Republican (none / 0)

For the general election cycles, yes...but for the primaries its been a disaster.

Pat Toomey challenging Arlen Specter? Roy Moore against Bob Riley? The Republicans run kicking and screaming from serious intra-party squabbles and it always produces a candidate who is tremendously weak. The whole reason the Democrats aren't winning and knocking them dead is that Clinton triangulated too much and reduced the party's ideology to nothing.

I don't like the idea of us having a coronation. We as a party are more diverse and need a longer, healthier primary season for all election more than Republicans. Our candidates are usually less known and have more nuanced positions. Let Ohio decide who they want. The more that Ohio Democrats think whoever wins is serving them and not the "special interests" the harder they will fight and the more exciting it gets.

Ohio and Pennsylvania are goign to be expensive, expensive states to win. We need Casey/Pennachio and Hackett/Brown to electrify people. If one of them is winning big he can help the other one out. But for God's sake, the last thing we need is Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid dithering over this. We don't need them picking nominees.

by risenmessiah on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 03:25:07 AM EST
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Brown's In, now what (none / 0)

So, Brown's staffers are confirming that he will indeed run. Does anyone have word on when an official announcement will come? Hacket told us he'll anounce in late October. When will we have confirmation from Brown that he is indeed running as well?
by BlueCollarBaby on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 02:23:14 AM EST

Hackett/Brown in '06 (none / 0)

I've made my position clear before but I still think Hackett should focus on the 2nd district because he has a very strong chance for winning after all that has transpired for the republicans since he ran.
I also think Brown can play as hard as Dewine and that Dewine/the RNC will play very hard. I don't know if Hackett or his team are ready for that.
Hackett will probably defer to Brown anyway for Senate and avoid a primary that would seriously stall his chance at another election until 2008 if he lost.  He's got great momentum and will be a good addition to the House but he should focus on what he knows and right know that is OH 02.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:30:01 AM EST

Re: Hackett/Brown in '06 (none / 0)

No Democrat can win the OH-2.  None.  It's a pipe dream.  It would be a waste of time, money, and effort.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:42:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

52/48 was the outcome (none / 0)

nuff said.
Where do you live?
I live in the district.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:45:36 AM EST
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Re: 52/48 was the outcome (none / 0)

Ok, go look at turnout numbers for midterms.

OH02 will be swamped in red as it always is. Tunrout was down in the speical by comparision - and hackett had every advantage  - large fundraising the sopt light and an open seat.

That is all gone now.

oh02 is out of sight. anyone who thinks otherwise is politically naive.

by Pounder on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 03:53:40 PM EST
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Rob Portman and the 02 (none / 0)

Rob Portman owned his seat. He took no PAC money and was squeeky clean.
Jean Schmidt has the taint of corruption all around her and she got over $120,000 from the Club for Growth for her last campaign.  Hackett's team has a nice dossier on her that will be used against her as well his major issues about the incompetence of the administration and the direction they are taking the country.
The district has been hit fairly hard with war casualties and dead from Iraq as well as the floundering economy.
Hackett also comes from the wealthiest area of the 02 just like Schmidt so he knows how to make his appeals to the swing voters there as well as the working folks.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:01:39 PM EST
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Hackett and the Internet (none / 0)

I keep seeing people referring to how this debate is splitting the party and going negative.
I gotta tell you from the ground here in Ohio no such thing is happening.  All the brouhaha is just in a few liberal blogs.
The race hasn't even begun so worries about Brown announcing so late and splitting the party are all just handwringing by people with too much time on their hands.
Voters in Ohio are focusing on the 60% natural gas price hike and working or getting jobs and their kids being back in school and Halloween costume selections.
The election cycle hasn't entered their minds.
Bunch of Chicken Littles on the internet.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:38:31 AM EST

Re: Hackett and the Internet (none / 0)

The biggest threat from a primary fight will be that it will pit bloggers that have generally been allies against each other. Blogs have raised a lot of money for Paul Hackett. Splitting that base could be costly.

The scenario that I'm imagining is Sherrod Brown making fundraising appeals over @ DKos after being seen as the candidate that muscled aside Paul Hackett with a beltway powerplay.

Right now DKos is the key to blog fundraising. Poison that well and you've got problems. While the Swing State, MyDD, and DKos kingpins are all friends and will work things out, many of the people who actually fuel the fire of Kos might not be so forgiving. Up till now they've had Hackett's back. Will they suddenly stop because a few national bloggers say so?

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by ignatzmouse on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:58:19 AM EST
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Re: Hackett and the Internet (none / 0)

Hey, I think I've got Hackett's back too but I also don't see a primary with Brown and Hackett happening so I may be just be wearing blinders.
The fundraising for Paul was amazing but it was also the only race going on at the time in the country.
My guess is they will publicly get together at some point - in the election cycle - and support each other.  I don't see either of them as willing to burn the chances for a dem win in the state.
I also believe Hackett can take the 02 so again I may have blinders on because I'm seeing two new Ohio dems winning in 06.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:08:19 PM EST
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the above is not about (none / 0)

the majority of people here and at Kos who are expressing their thoughtful opinions about their thoughts on the validity of each candidate.
It is for those who think our differences of opinion  have some tragic implications for the party instead of just being healthy debate.
Brown and Hackett are both smart adults and I have full confidence they will act accordingly.
by carsick on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:44:12 AM EST

primaries (none / 0)

Ignore the polls vs. DeWine.  It's way too early for them to mean anything other than a filtered reflection of name recognition and people's perception of DeWine.  If that's the information you want, look at the actual name recognition figures, and positive/negative numbers on DeWine.  Don't pretend that "[name] vs. DeWine" polls give any useful info.

Contested primaries are, IMO, generally a good thing.  In this case, they can take two candidates with lower statewide name recognition than the incumbent Senator, and push them both into the media spotlight so they enter the general well known.  If they campaign cleanly and keep their attacks on each other fact-based and spend much of their energy criticizing DeWine instead of each other, the primary can be a great boost of free media for the Democratic side, and drive up DeWine's negatives.  And if it's a real contest between the two, they will each have a chance to build and test a field & GOTV operation they can then use in the general.

by cos on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:16:35 PM EST


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