VA-Sen: Reversing My Views on Affleck

I am gong to bow to Bob on this one. Seriously. I've changed my mind. I now think Ben Affleck should run for Senate in Virginia. Here is why.

The Jack Carter announcement today increased the number of competitive Democratic challenges to Republican-held Senate seats to eight (Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Tennessee). Over the past week, with Hoeven bowing out in North Dakota and Capito bowing out in West Virginia, the number of potentially competitive Republican challenges to Democratic-held Senate seats has been reduced to seven (Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey and Washington). Thus, for the first time, in the 2005-2006 cycle, Democrats have actually pulled ahead in the number of potentially competitive seats they are challenging in the Senate. This is very important because, as Chuck Todd notes (emphasis mine):

The reality is that if one were to handicap the current Senate battle race-by-race, a 0-2 Democratic pickup would be very realistic. But as Charlie Cook has pointed out, Senate races never break evenly for both parties. The key for the party that's got that little breeze at the end is putting enough races in play to win all those toss-ups. In a neutral climate, the 0-2 Democratic pickup prediction would make sense. But it's hard to foresee a neutral 2006 environment. The makings for a Democratic advantage are brewing. There's no difference between netting three Senate seats and netting six or seven. Once the Democrats are in a position to net a third, it probably means all those slightly-leaning GOP seats are going their way and the gain will be closer to six than to two.
Apart from a decided monetary advantage, one key for Republicans in 2002 and 2004 in the Senate was to create more competitive challenges to Democratic-held seats than Democrats created to Republican held seats. In the final weeks of the campaign, this stretched Democratic resources very thin, and allowed Republicans to pick up almost all of the close Senate races in both years. For example, ion 2004, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania never emerged as highly competitive Democratic challenges to Republican held seats, while Washington and Wisconsin become, if not truly competitive, a lot closer than most people expected. The DSCC was forced to help defend Murray and Feingold, while the NRSC wasn't forced to do much of anything to help Bond, Specter and Voinovich. Democrats managed to do this to Republicans in 2000 as well, when they scored a net gain of five seats.

This is a strategy that should have been obvious to me from day one, since it is exactly the sort of strategy I have been advocating in the House for quite some time. Challenge every seat, aim for the leadership, and reduce the number of minimal challenges as much as possible, thus draining Republican resources away from the swing seats during the campaign as much as possible. It makes sense for the Senate as well.

Thus, no matter how much of a media circus an Affleck candidacy might become, it seems to me that he would be an excellent bonus to Democratic chances in the Senate in 2006. He is already very well known, has good looks and good politics, is a strong speaker, and could easily self-finance his run against Allen, who pretty close the the under-50 incumbent tipping point. Thus, Affleck would instantly increase the number of competitive Democratic challenges to nine seats, further stretching the Democratic advantage in this area. If Lott retires, that could potentially make ten serious challenges to Republican-held seats. And who knows, maybe we will continue to experience good news in places like Maryland, Nebraska and New Jersey, pushing Democrats out to a huge edge in seats we are seriously challenging.

And from what Bob posts, Affleck looks pretty darn good, and could go a long way toward deflecting and deflating a media circus before it starts. Just look at these comments:

"I seem lately to bring to with me, whether I want to or not, a certain amount of media attention," the 31-year-old actor told reporters Tuesday before a Democratic National Committee fund-raiser at a bar outside Fenway.

"But I think you have to be smart and you have to be judicious and you have to be tasteful and you have to be respectful and you have to know your place," he added later. "I am not an elected official. I am not a political expert. I perceive my capacity here mostly in terms of being somebody who grew up here and wanting to be an ambassador for this city."

When a television reporter suggested that being good-looking, articulate and famous would make him a natural candidate for office, Affleck responded: "Uh, you know, that's a nice idea and I'm very flattered that you say it, but it's a tough fight, you know? I mean, if I think that the entertainment press is tough on me now, I can't imagine what it would be like to have a political agenda, as well."

It's not as if this talk comes out of nowhere. In an interview for the May 2001 issue of GQ magazine, Affleck said: "My fantasy is that someday I'm independently wealthy enough that I'm not beholden to anybody, so I can run for Congress on the grounds that everyday people - be they singers or poets or bankers or lawyers or teachers - should be in government."

Humble and tasteful, well-spoken and smart, liberal and instantly competitive--Affleck suddenly looks very good to me. With the way things are going, over the past three months 2006 has looked better than better for Democrats all the time. Let's keep that roll going. Run Ben, run.


Poll
Would you like to see Ben Affleck is the Democratic Senatorial Nominee in Virginia?
Yes
No

Votes: 239
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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The Big Question... (none / 0)

Is how much does the public still hate J Lo.
by BlueCollarBaby on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:23:03 PM EST

Re: The Big Question... (none / 0)

Was that sarcastic?  If not, why would that be important?  Why would an ex fiance have any relavance?
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:25:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Big Question... (none / 0)

It was sarcastic.

But, it also matters. There's a huge chunk of public opinion out there that isn't swayed by politics or issues but rather pop culture. Face it, J Lo is the X factor.

by BlueCollarBaby on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:38:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

doesn't matter (3.00 / 1)

ben was smart enough to kick her to the curb, and now he's got the whole nuclear family thing going with another "america's sweetheart", jennifer garner.

we know his heart is in the right place.  i say go for it.

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by annatopia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:25:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: doesn't matter (3.00 / 1)

And he would have the hottest Wife of any Senator.
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:12:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: doesn't matter (none / 0)

This could be the one state where the youth vote actually came out and voted.  Perhaps Alias could have a big election plot twist around this time to get people interested in voting.  And, Ben could run commercials during the show...
BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 08:31:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Allen is Important (3.00 / 2)

Those of us who live in the Commonwealth know the importance of Allen in the federal government. He has a tough task and he does it admirably. To wit:

George Allen actually makes George Bush look intelligent!

Yes, I know, it's hard to believe. But, if you think Bush is an airhead, then Allen's cranial cavity qualifies as a vacuum chamber.

What qualifications did Allen have when he became governor of VA? The son of a (very overrated) football coach! He was a terrible governor who, along with Gilmore, created that mess that Mark Warner cleaned up.

by Bob Miller on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:29:56 PM EST

Re: Allen is Important (none / 0)

I agree that Allen is pretty dim.. but there is NO reason to say his father wasn't a great football coach... he was, even if he did raise this low-level Repub as a son.

Ive already posted a response on SSP, but I am against an Affleck for Senate candidacy because:  In VA he would be seen as a liberal, elitist carpetbagger when other potential homegrown candidates exist -- Affleck has a personal history that has baggage -- and he just doesn't seem too bright himself when he talks about the issues.

Virginia can do better than that.

by Ian in DC on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Allen is Important (none / 0)

I knew I would get a rise out of at least one person with the "overrated coach" quip :-)

Yes, VA can do better. There are those who say that Warner is waiting for 08 to make a presedential bid. Personally, I don't think he has much of a chance in the primaries. He has a proven track record in VA as both a campaigner and an executive.

I'd love to see a Warner - Allen debate. Allen went one-on-one with Carville a few years back. What an embarrassment. To think that a US Senator could be so inane.

by Bob Miller on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:03:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Allen is Important (none / 0)

And just so you know Bob... I hate the Redskins (I'm a Bears Fan)... but I just want to play "fair and accurate."  George Allen Sr. was a great coach (which was an unfortunate fact unfortunately for my team at times)
by Ian in DC on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:22:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Allen is Important (none / 0)

Doesn't Carville live in Virginia? Maybe he could run. Or Begala, I know Begala lives in Virginia.
by Alice Marshall on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:06:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

I don't think that anyone who has only a high school diploma has any business being a United States senator.
The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:35:13 PM EST

Like that failed haberdasher from Missouri? (3.00 / 1)

Perhaps you really prefer that guy with an MBA from Harvard?

Personally I don't know if Afleck is qualified, at least Matt Damon went to Harvard <g>.  But I'm willing to listen to his pitch if he runs.

by anniek on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:44:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Like that failed haberdasher from Missouri? (none / 0)

Haha, looks like we jumped on it at the same time.
by MrLiberal on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Harry Truman was President (none / 0)

And he didn't even finish high school. He turned out pretty damn good, I think. Just saying, no offense meant.
by MrLiberal on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:44:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

Like Abraham Lincoln?
by Covin on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:51:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

Yes, you are an enlist.
by bruh21 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:47:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

LOL! Thank you for saying it
by zt155 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:55:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

Every Republican in the Senate has a college diploma - and not one of those diplomas is making America a better place to live.
by redsoxkangaroo on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:03:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry, not an elitist, but, (none / 0)

Conrad Burns doesn't!
by Corey Olomon on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:36:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Run, Ben, Run! (none / 0)

I'm for it.  As Chris said, we need to increase the number of hotly contested GOP- held seats.  Allen is already weak, and having a celebrity run could knock him down.  Plus, Affleck would be able to finance his own campaign for the most part, so we can put our money in other places, like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Nevada.  Too bad he can't run for Senator in Massachusetts, but Kennedy will be there forever, and, sadly, Kerry's seat is filled.
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:25:34 PM EST

Re: Run, Ben, Run! (none / 0)

I was for Afleck running before and I'm still for it now, basically for the reasons that chris changed his mind. Afleck has a high name ID and self-funding ability, and may be the only person who can put VA in play. The more seats in play, the better.
by AC4508 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Warner (none / 0)

Someone needs to really twist Warner's arm to convince him to run for Senate.

I know he's thinking of running for President in 2008, but I think it is far more important to put as many Senate seats in play as possible.

Warner has a far better chance at getting elected to the Senate than he does at getting elected President.

If not Warner then my second choice would be someone who is seen as being 'of Virginia' and can make the race competitive. If Allen can be tied to any of the GOP scandals it makes him much more vulnerable as well.

Only if we can't find another solid canidate should Affleck be encouraged.

by ces on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:31:02 PM EST

Challenge everywhere (none / 0)

Like Kirsten Gillibrand for the US House in NY-20.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:55:01 PM EST

Other than the Washington Post (none / 0)

is there anyone talking about this candidacy? And why would we listen to the WPost???????????????

What about Grisham? Or some state senator? Or someone with better ties to Virginia??????????

by Alice Marshall on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:03:50 PM EST

Re: Other than the Washington Post (none / 0)

As far as I can see, there is no evidence he is interested.  True, he has said that would like to be in Congress sometime, but that defines a LOT of people.  I won't pay any attention to this until he, himself, expresses an interest in running.
by Corey Olomon on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:43:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Affleck (3.00 / 2)

Why does anyone think he'd make Virginia competitive?  I suspect he'd be treated a carpetbagging, Hollywood liberal, lightweight and get slaughtered.  Besides, as I wrote on the earlier thread, I don't think celebrity works for Dems because it brings to people's minds things about the party they don't like.

Here's a link to my earlier post:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2005/9/27/113429/193/15#15

by danielj on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:16:46 PM EST

Re: Affleck (none / 0)

Bingo. That's because he IS a carpetbagging hollywood liberal. Seems pretty fair game to me.

A Democrat in Virginia( or anywhere for that matter) would want to avoid the hollywood connection like the plague. I'm very dissappointed in Chris for thinking this would be a good idea. Affleck is box-office poison right now, how are the right-of-center Virginia voters going to treat him any better?

by zt155 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:51:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Affleck (none / 0)

isn't this the idiot that didn't even know what John Kerry's name was when he was at a rally?

stop pulling at friggin straws and get to work

DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:54:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ridiculous (3.00 / 2)

I've lived in Virginia my whole life, and I would bet next month's paycheck that Hollywood-liberal, Massachusetts-loving, carpetbagging Ben Affleck cannot beat George Allen. He simply can't. Sorry. Put this one out of your minds, guys. It wouldn't instantly make the race competitive, it would instantly make every other Democrat in the country look worse while leaving the race as uncompetitive as it is now. Just a terrible, terrible idea, which is why I'm glad it's never going to happen.
by asf6 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:43:16 PM EST

Re: Ridiculous (none / 0)

It seems the logic is, he is better than no one.  That's true, and there isn't many people left who have not taken themselves out.  But the problem with this is, these wild rumors may keep other people from considering running and therefore if (as I expect) Affleck doesn't run then this whole thing will have produced the exact opposite effect as intended (putting another Republican seat into play).
by Corey Olomon on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:47:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ridiculous (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, the absurdity of this is just embarrassing.  What's even worse is that otherwise thoughful and bright people on the liberal blagosphere are embarrassing THEMSELVES by actually taking this seriously and even egging it on.  Wow.
The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ridiculous (3.00 / 1)

embarrassing is being kind.

I live in Northern Virginia.  If I were to go down my street and knock on each door to talk about the "idea" of Ben Affleck running for Senator in 2006, my neighbors would discredit me -- and the "Kaine for Governor" sign on my front yard and the bumper sticker on my car would be a liability to Tim Kaine's efforts to get my neighbors to vote for him!

What is Chris Bowers, Bob Brigham, and others thinking?  
Ridiculous, absurd, stupid.

Clearly, they have never spent a week campaigning in western and southern Virginia.  Let alone have a clue that moving into Charlottesville (home of UVA) IS NOT moving into Virginia.  

by Bill Felmlee on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:20:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it is extremely silly (3.00 / 1)

to think Ben Affleck could make this a competitive race.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a comic figure, mind you, but he had the advantage of running against an empty chair.  Affleck could win some random Congressional seat, maybe, but no way is Virginia rejecting George Allen for him.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:48:37 PM EST

I couldn't disagree more. (3.00 / 2)

Speaking as a Virginian, I cannot believe that Affleck would do anything more than become an anathema to Democrats in this state. He is not a Virginian, he has never lived in Virginia, and he has never before seemed to care about Virginia. In my opinion, he has no business representing Virginians whether he's a communist or a wingnut.

I am almost 100% certain that my fellow Virginians will feel the same way. This is a terrible idea, and it's one the Republicans will use to paint Democrats as the party of Hollywood. They won't care that Arnold is a member of their party, and the media will probably help Americans to forget that little fact.

Affleck will get us no where and he'll get us there fast--and probably then some. Hollywood is not popular in the South and certainly not in Virginia.

No matter his advantages, I strongly oppose his candidacy in this or any state other than his own. I would love to be proven wrong and see him win, but I am seriously anxious not only about his chances to win, but the potential damage he could to do Democrats state- and nation-wide.

by Covin on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:56:34 PM EST

Re: I couldn't disagree more. (none / 0)

Well...that's the other thing. As much as I'd like to see Allen beat, I'm not particularly enamored by the idea of having Ben Affleck as my representative in the Senate. And if I'm saying that as a Democrat...
by asf6 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:15:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I couldn't disagree more. (none / 0)

I could not have written this better myself.
by Bill Felmlee on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:04:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

2006 will be (3.00 / 1)

the year we run as the adults in the room, against a legacy of incompetence and cronyism. That's our message. So how on earth does it help our case if our marquee candidate is someone who completely contradicts that message: someone who doesn't have any electoral experience, any managerial experience, any work experience that's relevant to the political process, or even the sense to choose good scripts? Someone whose only useful attributes are that he's famous and good-looking?

Fine, I agree that running someone with high name recognition in Virginia will suck more money out of the RSCC that they could otherwise spend in Montana, Rhode Island, etc. But Affleck would, by virtue of his fame, become the candidate in 2006 who sucks up all the media attention, sucking exposure away from our serious candidates and hopelessly tainting our message of meritocracy and competence. (Plus, as a carpetbagger and a Hollywood liberal -- two things southerners are primed to hate -- there's no way he'd win.)

by Crazy Vaclav on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:19:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

An Ass-Kicking Is What He'd Get (none / 0)

For Affleck to win, he'd have to get every vote that Kerry got here, and get one in five Republicans to vote for him.

No. Fucking. Way.

-Waldo Jaquith

by Waldo Jaquith on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:46:39 PM EST

Affleck would be worse than... (3.00 / 1)

...leaving the seat unchallenged.  He would be our Alan Keyes-a source of ridicule for the party, draining press away from other races throughout the country.  It would be a circus, and he would have no chance of winning.  Now, if he could kick ass in the debates, that could change things.  If there was evidence he could be a strong canidate, that would change things.  But as it stands, it's a horrible idea.

by Geotpf on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 07:58:41 PM EST

Re: Affleck would be worse than... (none / 0)

That is a little unfair. Affleck my not be one of our leading lights, but he is not Alan Keyes.

But I cannot figure out why Bowers is taking seriously some rumor printed in the WPost.

by Alice Marshall on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:22:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

not Keyes (none / 0)

No, at least Keyes has a Reagan Administration sinecure on his résumé.
by KevStar on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:33:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Affleck would be worse than... (none / 0)

I think Affleck would be at least as bad as Alan Keyes.  At least Keyes knew political issues and had dedicated his life to politics, however ridiculously.  Affleck would be even more of a national joke.  Late-night comedy fodder.  Negative attention.  An anti-Hackett.

Not what we want.

by texas dem on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 02:21:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That'd be a great race (none / 0)

and give a much-needed bright face to our party, when mostly sourpussed jerkoffs like Joementum and Biden mug endlessly for the TV.

I truly think this is the best way to take our party back in the right direction - to have a new generation of strong, straight-talking candidates rise up from the grassroots, with a hopeful message of reform, and a pair of large fucking balls.

by Sam Loomis on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:41:34 PM EST

review the MTP from this spring (none / 0)

when Chris Dodd kicked the living shit out of Allen in front of Russert.  Ouch, it was painful to watch.
by Sam Loomis on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 08:44:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How about a real candiate for VA Senate (none / 0)

I nominate, Congressman Robert C. "Bobby" Scott (VA-03) who just began his seventh term as a member of Congress.

He won re-election in 2004 with almost 70% of the vote and led his district to an outstanding performance.  

His backgraound includes:
Virginia State Senate from 1983 to 1993
Virginia House of Delegates from 1978 to 1983  

http://www.scottforcongress.com/

by odonnell2006 on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:36:40 PM EST

Ben Affleck (none / 0)

Let him run if he wants to.  He has feelings, does he not.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:18:28 PM EST

No he doesn't (none / 0)

I've watched his movies and I have yet to detect anything vaguely resembling feelings.
by jcjcjc on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:02:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No he doesn't (none / 0)

That's called acting...
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:16:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No he doesn't (none / 0)

That sounds like a line from Team America World Police.
by jcjcjc on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:26:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And then there's this... (3.00 / 1)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/affleck_doc.html

So, basically, the Republican pitch would be that Affleck is:

  1. A "Hollywood liberal" who supported John Kerry and Al Gore. (True)

  2. A carpetbagger who just moved to Virginia 4 hours ago. (True)

  3. And being a carpetbagger makes him just like Hillary Clinton. (Which is only partially true, because New York and Virginia are different states)

  4. Didn't bother to vote for 8 years... yet ran around the country urging other people to vote (Hypocritical and apparently true)

  5. Stars in movies that "promoted" homosexuality (Chasing Amy) and drug use (Jay and Silent Bob). (A stretch to people who are sane, but certainly true enough in an evil Republican way that it would be used to get the right-wing nuts all lathered up).

  6. Starred in videos with Jennifer Lopez that were close to pornographic. (A shame they actually weren't, and a big stretch, but again, close enough to get the right-wing nuts all in a lather).

  7. Running in Virginia?

  8. George Allen.  A conservative leader.  Hometown values.  And he didn't star in Surviving Christmas.

To summarize, the NRSC is praying to some dark and vindictive demi-god... maybe Gigli the Gozarian... that this actually happens.

by Politicalhack06 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:50:52 AM EST

roasted in the depths of the Slor (3.00 / 1)

I think this is the sort of thing that could stain Democrats nationally. Any number of members of the House of Delegates or mayors/former mayors etc. etc.

yeah, I see a lot of dumb ideas on the Internets, but this is up there.

by KevStar on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:31:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: roasted in the depths of the Slor (none / 0)

<<yeah, I see a lot of dumb ideas on the Internets, but this is up there.>>

I wouldn't say it's dumb.  

It's interesting at first glance, and if a total GOP meltdown takes places over the next year, it's possible that he could even win.

However, in a state like Virginia, that possibility is very slim.  

Talk about stacking the deck... the GOPers would have a field day.

by Politicalhack06 on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:42:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And then there's this... (none / 0)

And Virginia's senior senator was once married to Elizabeth Taylor. Yet I don't see anyone attacking John Warner as a Hollywood Liberal.
by phinky on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 05:08:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bobby Scott can't win. (none / 0)

Simply due to the fact that he doesn't have the fundraising appeal.  Personally, I'd love to see Birch Bayh run for this seat.  
by strrbr on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:48:37 AM EST

Barbra Streisand (none / 0)

i think Ben is all wrong. Babs would be a MUCH better Senator for Virginia.
by safford on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 10:55:26 AM EST

Carrot Top would be a better Senator (3.00 / 1)

At least he's tried to produce some ideas for a worn-out one-trick stand-up act.

What did Ben Affleck do?  Talk to Matt Damon and Kevin Smith and somehow convince both to split time lugging his sorry ass around like he's fucking Lenny from Of Mice and Men!

by jcjcjc on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 01:28:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It dilutes the Meier argument!! (3.00 / 1)

Let's face fact, if this chick Meier is grossly underqualified for the Supreme Court, what is Ben Affleck?!

Ben Affleck is a legendary joke.  He's a shitty actor and a half-assed politico wannabe.  Yeah, he's half-assed at being a wannabe!

Christ.  I've heard smarter shit for Avril Lavigne songs than from Ben Affleck's sincere words.

The guys a dumbfuck.  He's a carpetbagger.  He wouldn't win if he ran in CA or MA, so why would he even have a snowball's chance in hell of winning in VA?!

by jcjcjc on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 11:01:17 AM EST

interesting comments (none / 0)

i think we should definitely give weight to the comments made by virginians on this thread.  they know their state far better than we do, and if they say this'll be a disaster, i for one am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

now that being said, is there anyone else in virginia who is up to the task of challenging allen?

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by annatopia on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 12:07:46 PM EST

Re: interesting comments (none / 0)

I've heard the name Don Beyer, a two term lieutenant governor. The only problem, his family owns a chain of Volvo dealerships in Northern Virginia.
by phinky on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 05:13:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: interesting comments (none / 0)

yea, the weirdest things turn voters off nowadays.  any other names on the short list?
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by annatopia on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

why doesn't he run in Boston? (none / 0)

Seems to me that Kerry's past his prime, given his failures a year ago, and his incoherent messages that bombard my email box.

Plus it's easier to win in Massachusetts for Ben. I"m sure Ted K. won't mind either.

by Schadelmann on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 05:28:08 PM EST


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