NJ-Gov: Forrester and Stem Cell Research

The Forrester campaign is in crisis mode, trying to deal with the fallout of the Carl Riccio ads that have hit the airwaves hear in New Jersey. His lack of support for embryonic stem cell research has always been a problem for Forrester, as New Jersey voters overwhelmingly support it. However, the anti-choice wing of the state's Republican Party does not. And in order to win the gubernatorial nomination earlier this year, Doug Forrester needed their support. Rather than taking a principled stance against embryonic stem cell research, Forrester has tried to play both sides of the issue, claiming that he supports stem cell research, but not public funding for it. He's been much more quiet about the fact that the stem cell research he has supported is adult stem cell research, not embryonic. There's a huge difference between the two (see the non-political Wikipedia's 'stem cell' entry for more information).

On Friday, Forrester claimed to have a miraculous change of heart and now claims to completely support embryonic stem cell research and even the public funding of it. But he sounded like a complete and total buffoon in the process. The Star-Ledger reported his bizarre transformation.

"I've made my position very clear, that, full-speed ahead with embryonic and adult stem-cell research," Forrester said during a news conference on the front lawn of the home of a Republican committeeman in Paramus. "The ethical reservations have been surpassed by science. God bless the medical scientists."
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Only days earlier, Forrester had told The Star-Ledger: "What I have found is that -- I think it's more clear today than it was two months ago -- that the embryonic stem-cell research isn't going anywhere."

Essentially, Forrester has no credibility on this matter and everyone knows it. And supposedly changing his stance after the 'Carl' ads have been released does not now mean that Carl Riccio and the Corzine campaign are somehow not playing fair. That would be like the Bush administration suddenly pulling out of Iraq and claiming they're now absolved of all responsibility. It's absurd to the point of surrealism.

At Forrester's blog, they're keeping up the attacks on Carl Riccio. In crying foul about Carl's criticism, blogger Brook Schaaf (Forrester's nephew, incidentally) doesn't even seem to be sure about Forrester's position on embryonic stem cell research, never explaining it while trying to defend it. Tellingly, he equates "pro-Corzine" with "pro-embryonic-stem-cell-research," obviously not realizing that Uncle Doug had already flip-flopped on the issue.

The most profound question - which has become a hot topic recently - was about Carl Riccio, the paralyzed wrestler who made the new ad against Doug. A craftily written script flips a pro-Corzine, pro-embryonic-stem-cell-research ad into a personal attack with the twisted sentence "I don't think he supports people like me."

It is just flatly wrong to claim that Doug doesn't support people with serious injuries or the research that will help them. This is untrue. Last year Doug and Andrea very nearly lost their own daughter to something similar to a brain aneurysm. This brought them intimately close to a number of health problems and people suffering from those health problems.

It is not right to say Doug doesn't care. If Mr. Riccio had wanted to do a pro-Corzine ad, that would have been fine, but to turn it into an attack against Doug's character is wrong.

Setting aside the hypocrisy, what kind of grade school whining is this? Carl Riccio has every right to say what he said about Doug Forrester -- it was all true. In the first televised debate, explaining why he supports neither embryonic stem cell research nor the public funding of such research, Doug Forrester said that "adult stem cells are where the smart money is." I'll be generous and say that Forrester was mistaken.

But Riccio is not. It's Carl's opinion that, with all of the resources that would be at his disposal as Governor, Doug Forrester's decision to not support embryonic stem cell research means that Forrester doesn't care about him. That's a tough case to argue, especially coming from Carl himself. No one is saying that Doug Forrester hates disabled people, as his campaign is trying to characterize Carl's statements. That's why the reference to Forrester's daughter is so manipulative. Even though stem cell research could help develop treatments for the Hodgkins disease that has afflicted his daughter, Doug Forrester has repeatedly said that he supports the restrictions on embryonic stem cell research put in place by the Bush administration. Forrester also has not supported public funding for embryonic stem cell research.
Those aren't attacks. I'm not saying it makes Forrester a bad guy. I'm just giving the facts about his positions. If simply stating Forrester's positions somehow equates attacking his character, then perhaps he should sit down and seriously rethink those positions. (Which he claims to have done, and in record time, no less.)

There are two final points I'd like to make here. The first is that Forrester is being a real jerk in repeatedly claiming that Carl is somehow being used by the Corzine campaign in this ad. Let me try to make this real clear for Forrester. Carl may be disabled, but he is not a child. And for Forrester to undermine his dignity and intelligence by painting Carl as a rube, somehow being used, is nothing short of insulting.

But the second point is directly about Carl. In doing this ad, he knew he would be putting himself at the center of a political firestorm. But he apparently looked at the circumstances and decided to move ahead anyway.

Carl Riccio is one heck of a brave guy. He's a wheelchair-bound young man with the guts to come forward in the largest media market in the world to fight for what he believes in -- embryonic stem cell research. He's willing to fight even though he knows it means he's now in the political cross-hairs of not only Doug Forrester, but the entire national Republican Party machine that supports him. This is the same national Republican Party machine that mounted a campaign to convince the public that the wounds which earned John Kerry his Purple Heart in Vietnam were self-inflicted. This is the same national Republican Party machine that used its network of allied journalists to expose the identity of a CIA operative just because her husband dared to disagree with them. And now they're coming after Carl Riccio.

Carl Riccio knew what he was getting into when he decided to publicly support Jon Corzine. But does Doug Forrester know what he's getting into now that he's decided to tangle with Carl Riccio and the countless families who hope and pray every day for the cures and therapies that can only be found through the miracles of embryonic stem cell research? I sincerely doubt it.



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valid argument (none / 0)

This is a valid argument I believe:

"He supports stem cell research, but not public funding for it."

I believe he is saying that if the private sector wants to invest in it to go ahead.  I can understand why someone wouldn't want public money to go towards it.  I don't agree with it but that does not invalidate it.

DAGGER
by goplies on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 06:24:07 AM EST

Re: valid argument (none / 0)

Failing to publicly fund it means it is dead. That's fine if that's the position he wants to take, but let's not pretend that this research has just as much a chance at success from private funding. It doesn't and that's the point. The only way to have meaningful stem cell research is to fund it publicly. For all practical purposes, if you don't support public funding, you don't support stem cell research."
BlueJersey
by jmelli on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 10:07:17 AM EST
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a more concrete example (none / 0)

What if...
Space expenditures will soon rise some more...for we have given this program a high national priority--even though I realize that this is in some measure an act of faith and vision, for we do not now know what benefits await us. But if I were to say, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on an untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--and do all this, and do it right, and do it first before this decade is out--then we must be bold.

What if JFK had said: "I support going to the moon, but not public funding for it."? Who knows where we'd be? We still might never have gone there, even 40 years later - and that means we wouldn't have cell phones, CAT scans, GPS and a whole host of other advances that came from NASA. It takes vision and a willingness to sacrifice to be a leader and bring about progress.
BlueJersey
by jmelli on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 10:22:06 AM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

Bravo!

The fact is (no matter how much Big Pharma claims otherwise), public funding of research through the NIH is how almost all medical innovations come to life.  The cost-benefit ratio of private research (especially when competing against other governments --space program, anyone?) is unsustainable by even the super-rich corporations.

by ThomasAllen on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 11:36:34 AM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

I should clarify --I mean initial research.  Once a new compound or technology shows promise, private research will take over (in order to be the first to patent and market a "safe" and "effective" product).
by ThomasAllen on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 11:42:20 AM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

Good points. The NIH is really responsible for alot of bids that wouldn't go anywhere else. My bid, for example, on accent Identification - has all the right people (we've got, for example, Douglas Paul, the speech scientist that invented the Wall Street Journal Corpus and pioneered early speech recognition) and all the right moving parts - but the actual bid vehicle -"speech recognition for dysarthric persons" doesn't have a commerical market. The net result of this research would very well be to enable speech reco to work even in noisy rooms and identify people's accent - but we have to start at the lowest common denominator, and there's just no market there.

I think the NIH is the last bastion of real funding and support for science in the US. If they fund my bid, I know for certain I'll be working like a dog.

by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 04:02:44 PM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

well I don't think he is a JFK to begin with just another moderate right?

I didn't say it was smart or inspiring just valid.  

DAGGER
by goplies on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 07:45:37 PM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

I definitely wasn't clear enough on this, but you took what I wrote out of context. (Not intentionally, I don't think...)

Rather than taking a principled stance against embryonic stem cell research, Forrester has tried to play both sides of the issue, claiming that he supports stem cell research, but not public funding for it.

But I don't think that's his actual position. Forrester can claim he believes all sorts of things, and he has. He's been all over the map on stem cell research, telling the anti-choicers that he doesn't believe in embryonic stem cell research, telling moderates that he does, telling fiscal conservatives that he believes in the research but not the funding, etc. etc. There's no evidence that he actually does support embryonic stem cell research, either from a standpoint of science or economics.

by Scott Shields on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 01:39:20 AM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

There are TWO gubernatorial races now where no-one wants George Bush to show up for the GOP candidate because it will hurt the candidate.

California and one other.. can't remember.. does anyone know?

by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 03:59:43 PM EST
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Re: a more concrete example (none / 0)

cool, thanks for clearing it up.  You are correct.
DAGGER
by goplies on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:10 PM EST
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Advertising Forensics (none / 0)

The best advertising, as is said at Foote, Cone and Belding - is that which engages a conversation directly with your customer. In New Jersey, the customer are Pharmas.

A friend of mine and I were working over at TROMA on the next commercial for the campaign.

Cut to : Face shot of the Toxic avenger: frame
the mop into ths shot.

Then pan towards embryonic stem cell research,
get a shot of wiggling little embryos like
tadpoles...

Now fade it, like 2001 space odyssey, out to a landscape.. near trenton...dotted with smokestacks and sludge...

Then back to Toxie..

"hey, with those big pharmas polluting everything in sight.. "

a tear in his eye..
pan to close up..

"Nobody cares about me.."

--

We aired that here and all the democrats agreed, wow, can't we make advertising just like the republicans? And then they said "have a nice night and have a nice dinner" and got into their jaguar.

So me and a big fat guy decided to make a documentary about it..

I mounted a reality TV shot camera and jumped into the river flowing there out into the new york harbor.

AAARGGG

I'm fine, now. Its been a couple of days since the surgery and I'm starting to heal up nicely.

After the initial reaction to my "Toxic Avenger" cam shots , I think my new ads  can help two people to talk about an issue that's basically already been decided by the New Jersey public.
Which is, of course - environmental legislation.
80% of the public support it, but the big companies don't.

And if man is five
if man is five
if man is five
and if the devil is six
if the devil is six.
if the devil is..

then god is seven

then god is seven

then god is seven
...

--
Next Episode: Who gets voted off the island?



by turnerbroadcasting on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 10:10:49 AM EST

Re: Advertising Forensics (none / 0)

the best commercial suggested ot the Kerry Campaign was never used:

Shot of girl walking down street at dusk...

she's calling out  "WMD Where Are You?"

she turns to camera and says, "my dad went to Iraq looking for WMD months ago...have you seen them?"

DAGGER
by goplies on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 07:50:23 PM EST
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Re: Advertising Forensics (none / 0)

Thank you. A few of us had a hand in that one.. go to moveon.org and join up, they don't use you like an ATM machine and you will get alot done.
by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 03:58:12 PM EST
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Re: Advertising Forensics (none / 0)

I pushed so hard for them to run that.

You're good.  Very good.  I hope that some of the non DLC dem leaders realize the talent pool that is before them on these blogs.

peace

DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 01:41:43 AM EST
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let's watch his campaign implode (none / 0)

Forrester knows that he's going to lose. despite a couple of tight polls earlier in the month, Corzine has returned to an 8-9 point lead. now he's going to start swinging wildly in the vain hope that something will stick.
by johnny longtorso on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 11:34:59 AM EST

Forrester is a fucking asshole. (none / 0)

There, I said it.
McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 12:28:08 PM EST

Re: Forrester is a fucking asshole. (none / 0)

Second. Passed. All opposed. The resolution passes.
by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 03:58:41 PM EST
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