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Rice as Vice-President?

by Chris Bowers, Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:42:25 PM EST

(Via Political Wire). This would make every Republican blogger's dream come true. From US News:

Sparked by today's Washington Post story that suggests Vice President Cheney's office is involved in the Plame-CIA spy link investigation, government officials and advisers passed around rumors that the vice president might step aside and that President Bush would elevate Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

I don't see it happening, but it would obviously be a shock to the system on many levels. Along with Rove, DeLay, Norquist, and Abramoff, Cheney is one of the ultimate power brokers in the conservative movment. Still, with what seems to be the entire Republican and conservative leadership under investigation and / or indictment, maybe it isn't impossible. This would also push the Rice-Bush relationship into even more questionable territory, not to mention elevating the first woman and the first minority to VP status.

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Rice? (none / 0)

She's a WHIG and probably up to her eyeballs in Plame. Certainly any confirmatrion hearings should concentrate on it.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

by molly bloom on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:51:45 PM EST

Re: Rice? (3.00 / 1)

On top of it, she so far has not been much better than any others about keeping this Administration out of trouble. I'm not sure in '08 that being GW's Veep will somehow be better than it was for Gore to be Clinton's Veep in '00.

In fact, I'm pretty sure it'd be worse.

by Left in the West on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:04:25 PM EST
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I don't think that she could win, she's black.. (none / 0)

Like it or not, the GOP base is extremely racist. Ms. Rice is where she is for two reasons, because she's loyal and because she's black. (defusing some - rather naiive - people from seeing the real situation with the GOP.) Less than 2% of the GOP's inner circle is minority of any kind.. 98% white.. Those that are nonwhite are HARDLY representative of their ethnicities.. they are always working against their interests..

BTW, ever notice how the GOP always make it a point to have one or two prominently placed black people in every pep rally they have for the Cheney administration thats on national TV. Its shameless..

I wonder how much they pay them?

Here's an idea the GOP will never try.. instead of racial quotas.. why not peg all kinds of affirmative action to income status of one's family, historically.. in other words.. 'class'.

Instead of giving middle class black kids help.. lets give poor kids of any race/nationality/etc. a step up..

by ultraworld on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:16:41 PM EST
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Re: I don't think that she could win (none / 0)

"Like it or not, the GOP base is extremely racist."
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This is simply not true. If the Republicans nominated an African American candidate, it might hurt them in a little in some southern states, but they would still win those states anyway. Alabama and Mississippi are not going to vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances.

by Lex on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 10:50:40 AM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

Boy, those confirmation hearings would be some kind of fun. She couldn't even refrain from blurting out "I believe it was titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US'" during the time-limited 9/11 hearings. Can you imagine the knots she get tied into during a long, full committee confirmation hearing? And the potential questions! I'm atwitter with anticipation ...

by BriVT on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 08:52:30 PM EST
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Tell Sen. Boxer to get her charts and graphs ready (none / 0)

by Sam Loomis on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 09:13:22 PM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

WHIG?

White House Inside Girl?

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:10:03 PM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

White House Iraq Group

If Fitzgerald is going after conspiracy charges and he has Cheney in his sights then it almost certainly means that he has the entire White House Iraq Group up on conspiracy charges as well and that includes Rice.

In fact the rumors of 22 possible indictees is back on the radar via Larry Johnson. If Fitzgerald has 22 possible indictees then it means he has virtually the entire inner circle, including Rice and Cheney, and it probably means that if Cheney is forced to step aside that the VP will be a White House outsider (ala Gerald Ford).

Hastert?
Warner?

It'll have to be someone the Dems will approve of during a VP nomination and approval. We've down this road before but not with so much of an administration facing possible conspiracy to commit treason charges.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:05:38 AM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

Thanks for the Def.

What if that would be McCain's award for his 2004 campaigning for Bush? If so, he will breeze through confirmation and will have a good leg up in 2008. That would spell trouble.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:21:53 AM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

if you haven't figured out by now that the republican party is a monarchy then you've not been listening. McCain is already the stalking horse.
If the dems can't do any better its bye bye donkey.

by turnerbroadcasting on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 08:49:36 AM EST
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Re: Rice? (none / 0)

I thought about McCain and it depends on what happens within the Republican party but I'm pretty sure the bushies would fight tooth and nail for it to be someone else. If it was McCain then yes that would spell trouble for 2008. It wouldn't guarentee 2008 for him because if all this comes down the Republican party as a whole will get trashed just like it did in the post watergate era.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 09:09:35 AM EST
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White House Iraq Group (none / 0)

and possible other scandal targets.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 09:12:47 AM EST
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I've been waiting for someone to ask (none / 0)

Isn't this (besides the legality issue which wingers won't care about come 2008) the perfect way for Dick to step aside, besides some obvious "i've got health issues," lets nominate someone (where a fight breaks out between powerful repubs). Under this scenario, Rice (or whomever they want to nominate in 2008) is there to stem the tide and people might not feel the need to power-struggle for it.

by PHDinNYC4Kerry on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:52:58 PM EST

Re: I've been waiting for someone to ask (none / 0)

I believe I made comments about this within weeks of the last election. Preparing for 08. My point being that if I saw it everyone must have been expecting it.

BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics

by Robert P on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:03:12 PM EST
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Rumor Horseshit (none / 0)

Though I still am betting my brother 10 bucks that Cheney is indicted, this floating rumor seems like the best way for the GOP to say that oh, he's just an unindicted co-conspirator, which is not what we all thought, so it's actually not that bad.

A setup.
One that won't work, btw.

by Sam Loomis on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 09:15:15 PM EST
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Rice (none / 0)

If indicted, throwing Cheney to the wolves may make sense, and might even be inevitable. But I suspect Repubs that are big on Condi are making a big miscalculation. The heart of the Plame investigation isn't so much Plame as it is the misuse of intelligence to nudge the country into war. Rice may not have had anything to do with Plame (AFAIK), but she's in very deep on Iraq and the misuse of intelligence. Indeed, she's been caught lying on the Niger issue.

by danielj on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:55:36 PM EST

Interesting... (none / 0)

Of course, it is still a big IF on whether Cheney would get indicted (let's hope) and then IF he would resign. But damn, it does sound like something those fuckers could get away with. Bush would spin it as first woman, first african-american, and she would be (if confirmed) in a great position to get the R nomination in 08. We would be better off with a severley damaged Cheney in office.

Fun to speculate...

by Cohee on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:57:58 PM EST

Re: Interesting... (none / 0)

Yeah, but frankly a Condi Rice nom in 2008 doesn't scare me at all. I think it helps us except if HRC runs. Rice has never ran for office, is not a great speaker, seems like she will be rattled in a debate (based on her commission performance) and frankly the racist GOD, GAYS and GUNS of the rural deep south will probably stay home rather than vote for a woman or a minority and especially both. She'll keep the fundies but the good ol' boy vote goes away, unless HRC runs in which case I think some will vote Condi.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:16:20 PM EST
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Re: Interesting... (none / 0)

In addition, she's single. It's not exactly a political bonus and will only raise you know what ... it starts with an L and rhymes with thesbian.

by Eric11 on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:40:51 PM EST
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Re: Interesting... (none / 0)

Green Zone.

by turnerbroadcasting on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 08:51:25 AM EST
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They'd be better off (none / 0)

having her just run for it herself than as a sitting VP. She'll be tainted by being his veep for three years and the Bush fatigue would be worse for her then.

People can separate Sec of State and the president, but not the VP and president.

McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.

by jgarcia on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 04:59:25 PM EST

Re: They'd be better off (none / 0)

People can separate Sec of State and the president, but not the VP and president.

That's not true! Voters are pretty intelligent and are perfectly capable of separating a hard-working, earnest VP from a controversial, tainted president. Just ask Al Go--

uh, nevermind.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 06:04:36 PM EST
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They did seperate the two (none / 0)

But you got it backwards-they liked Clinton and hated Gore.

Clinton's approval ratings in November 2000 were approximately 63 approve 33 disapprove. Monicagate had blown over by election time. By actively distancing himself from Clinton, Gore set himself up for defeat (or made it close enough to steal, whatever).

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

by Geotpf on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 08:27:56 PM EST
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She'd be better off resigning (none / 0)

Anyone with the stink of Iraq on them come 2008 is dog food.

That means Hillary, McCain, and Condi.

No one is going to want to be the dumbass who drummed for Iraq too long. No one wants to be the jackass who uses the word "Iraqitize" every other sentence.

It's a horrid proposition.

If public opinion is this sour now, where will it be in the fall of 2008?

I virtually guarantee we're going to be stuck in Iraq until the end of the Bush presidency.

War in the Middle East is the old tiger ride. Getting in is the easy part.

I think Bush will feel a great deal of pressure to not leave Iraq before Israel shows a stable peace with the Palestinians.

I also am not convinced he has any better ideas. No one seems to want to offer up the "retreat from the cities" option that Juan Cole tossed out there a while ago, a sort of partial Iraqitization. Ironic, given that the best way to defeat the insurgency is to simply encourage them to get it on. What would do that more than a toe-to-toe fight with the Iraqi army?

It's just time to suck it up and tell the Sunnis "tough shit". Sorry about the genocide. Next time pick a better horse than Saddam. If the Kurds and the Shi'ites let you have a next time.

It sucks, but what other practical solution is there?

by jcjcjc on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 09:52:35 PM EST
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Re: She'd be better off resigning (none / 0)

I think McCain can distance himself about Iraq. He is about the only one though. He has an appeal to people who won't view his early support as a big deal. However, we know the fundies won't vote for him, so he will have a hard time winning the nom, unless he hits the HRC will be the Dem nom and I am the only one who can keep you from it. Then they might vote for him just to keep that fear from happening... It would be a great ploy for him actually.

Hillary will be hurt by it for sure as will any Dem.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:22:51 PM EST
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Front runner almost never make it (none / 0)

Unless you come in as the presumptive nominee, which basically means if you have been the previous Veep, no one has the right to assume a winner.

I don't see Clinton pulling it off.

I know some of that is wishful thinking on the part of we who wish to bring the Bush-Clinton dual monarchy to an end.

If I had to bet right now, I'd plunk most of my money on Mark Warner with small side wager on Feingold.

Warner fits the profile perfectly: fiscal conservative (we're gonna need that come 2009) who sells better in the sticks. He's liberal on many social issues, which will defuse the left-wing. He's a solid Southern governor with an absurd approval rating. He has shown he can do business across the aisle.

And he would be capable of running the necessary insurgent campaign in the shadow of Clinton, Edwards, and perhaps Kerry.

He could succeed where Dean failed.

by jcjcjc on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 09:58:22 AM EST
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Re: Front runner almost never make it (none / 0)

Read more closely... I never said that CLinton would win. All I said is that any Dem who supported the war would be hurt by that position. I think it will hurt some GOP in the General, but I don't think it would hurt McCain.

As I have said before, with the small exception of when he voted for Roberts... Feingold is my guy right now. Warner and Clark are tied for 2

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:00:35 AM EST
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OK (3.00 / 1)

I'd love to see a Jew who wins red county votes and votes against the Patriot Act show up for the big party in January 2009. It would upend so much bullshit in ways the Hillary voters will never achieve.
Dems MUST learn to smear enough that they can brutalize McCain. I say that as someone who would have voted for him 2000. Johnny royally pissed me off with his hugging and hand-holding with W.

What McCain did in 2000 and 2004 sucking up to BushCo is an affront to very basic, American notions of honor.

Dems need to paint McCain as a pussy.

They need to make a HUGE issue out of South Carolina 2000.

See the ads?

"If John McCain can't defend himself, can we depend on him to defend America?"

Fuck 'im. John McCain had his chance to do his bit for king and country, and instead decided to give a handjob to the crudest crony machine in over 100 years.

McCain must pay.

by jcjcjc on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 10:44:05 PM EST
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Re: OK (none / 0)

Yeah... I don't as much agree with you on 2000, but 2004 was a major suck up fest. Lost most of the respect I had for the man, although I would still take him over Allen, Brownback, Jeb or the other Hitler Fans if forced to put up with a GOP POTUS.

I agree though we need to hit him hard. Although I would say we stay away from the veteran stuff that Bush did in 2000. While I am all for fighting and bloddying our opponent, there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, that Bush and Rove did in 2000 and 2002 with Cleeland and 2004 with Kerry.

by yitbos96bb on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 12:31:25 AM EST
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It's time to cross the line (none / 0)

At some point, you have to take the fight to the enemy. Make the pricks squirrel back up the tree they crawled down from.

At the end of every day, we all know for a fact that we're better than them.

That's not always a good thing, because it makes us reluctant to wage their kind of campaign.

They poisoned the waters: let them drink it.

by jcjcjc on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 10:14:01 PM EST
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If he did. (none / 0)

Look for a Bush pardon almost immediately.
He's shown time and time again that he values personal loyalty above all else.

It won't be Rice, no way, no how.
She's not interested in elected politics, and I actually believe her.

Before she was elevated to Sec. of State she was actually going to leave the administration.

Not saying she's some great humanitarian or anything, she's clearly a shill and a liability, but it is something to take into account.

IF it were to happen, and I seriously doubt that it would. But let's say... IF, it won't be anybody pro-choice, Bush can't afford to piss off his religious base anymore.

-C.

by neutron on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:00:43 PM EST

Re: If he did. (none / 0)

Yes, well Iraq has mirrored Vietnam so much, we might as well throw some Nixon and Ford dynamic into it as well... just in reverse.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:24:05 PM EST
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Condi is dirty, too............... (none / 0)

and she is gonna go down with the rest. Yahoo!

by oakland on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:02:11 PM EST

checking Rice (none / 0)

I can't find it, but I distinctly remember bush appointing Rice as the Iraq magnate. He called her the "fixer-upper." We need to find that, point out when that was, and how the fixing has gone since then.

by senor crews on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:06:30 PM EST

eh? (none / 0)

this would be a republican bloggers wet dream? really?

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by annatopia on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:13:04 PM EST

Re: It would be Powell, not Rice (3.00 / 1)

I think Powell is through with this crowd. Plus, I'm pretty sure he hinted strongly at some point that that an intelligence memo that named Plame (potentially the place where WH officials found out that Wilson's wife was CIA) was being read on Air Force 1.

by danielj on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:21:59 PM EST

Black Incompetents Are SOoo Much Better than White (1.00 / 1)

Incompetents!

I was truly amazed at the ploy of using Condi "No one imagined" Rice to bolster Miers.

It's this schizophrenic consciousness I've developed, starting way back in the Reagan--or was it Nixon--Era. One one hand, I'm utterly amazed when they pull this shit. On the other I'm like, "Well, of course! What else are they going to do?"

But here's an even better idea. Why don't they get someone to play Condi Rice? You know, someone who doesn't always look like they just bit a lemon and the lemon bit them back. They could do it with Tyra Banks--"America's Next Top Negress."

Heck, odds are quite good they would get someone less incompetent than the real Condi Rice. It would come in real handy in case Alfred E. Newman bumped his head, or something.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:27:59 PM EST

Re: Black Incompetents Are SOoo Much (none / 0)

Tyra Banks--"America's Next Top Negress

Come on, that's uncalled for.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:32:41 PM EST
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No, That's EXACTLY What's Called For (none / 0)

The "some of my best friends are negros" card was racist during segregation, and it's just as racist today. But it's the game that Bushco plays to pretend to not being racist.

They only get away with it because no one calls them on it.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:49:51 PM EST
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Re: No, That's EXACTLY What's Called For (none / 0)

No The word Negress and Negro was what I was objecting too. You could have chosen other words to use. Sorry, but I am a bit offended by them. The sentiment is dead on accurate, I just didn't like the term you used in the Tyra Banks line.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:23:56 AM EST
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Re: No, That's EXACTLY What's Called For (none / 0)

People who overlook Rice's appaling incompetence have a mentality stuck in the 1950s at best. "Negress" is a term of that time. The fact that it upsets you is precisely the reason I used it. It's supposed to be upsetting. It's just that you've directed your upset at me instead of what I'm pointing at.

Get a grip. This comment was satirical. Satire that doesn't upset ain't satire.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 10:00:17 AM EST
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Black Incompetents Are SOoo Much Better than White (3.00 / 1)

Incompetents!

I was truly amazed at the ploy of using Condi "No one imagined" Rice to bolster Miers.

Heck, odds are quite good they would get someone less incompetent than the real Condi Rice. It would come in real handy in case Alfred E. Newman bumped his head, or something.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:29:28 PM EST

Re: Black Incompetents Are SOoo Much Better than W (none / 0)

Queen of the Damned.

by turnerbroadcasting on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 08:48:26 AM EST
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my theory (none / 0)

the WH is floating the rice rumor to deflect from Fitzmas.

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by annatopia on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:31:38 PM EST

We should use the confirmation hearings... (none / 0)

...to interrogate her on Iraq.

by Covin on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:38:38 PM EST

Re: It would be Powell, not Rice (none / 0)

I don't think Bush is going to nominate one of Fitz's star witnesses.

I've been wrong before, but I just don't think so...

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

by molly bloom on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:39:22 PM EST

losing cheney (none / 0)

I think it was always thte plan to lose Cheney for 'health' reasons, that way they could designate a successor and avoid primary fights and an unpredictable nomination. I just figured it would be after the 06 election. My guess is that whoever they picked would be the designated successor, and if I had to lay odds today I would guess Romney or Huckabee.

by brossnick on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:58:08 PM EST

Romney (none / 0)

Yeah, Romney is an interesting possibility. I think the corpo-crat wing of the GOP might increasingly look at him as someone who's on their side who can still play on TV to the religious right, and they might push strongly for him (since as a former Wall Street manager, he's one of them, and what with his role with the SLC olympics, he has a reputation for salvaging botched, corrupt operations). This would push him to the forefront for 2008... instead of the alternative, which is that the last thing on his resume prior to running in 2008 would be losing the governor's race in Massachusetts by 20 points in 2006.

Of course, if Bush really needs to shore up the religious right instead, he might go with another guy who wants to run in 2008 but needs to be plucked, deus-ex-machina-style, out of his inevitable electoral blowout in 2006... gack... Rick Santorum.

by Crazy Vaclav on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 06:14:25 PM EST
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Well you know... (none / 0)

Halloween is only a couple weeks away.

Trick or Treat! Condi's VP!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Witty comment goes here...

by michael in chicago on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 06:10:23 PM EST

It'll Never Happen (none / 0)

While I would love to see it happen, I don't think Cheney will get nailed for anything. But if he did, or if he resigned for "health" reasons (so that they can line up their choice for 08), they'll never give it to Condi. These people are all about "show" when it comes to minorities and they would never put either a woman or an Afro-American in line for the top spot. The WAR group (white aryan repubs) see her as a dutiful errand girl, notrhing more.

Memo to neocons: I respect your right to have an opinion, but I just don't want to hear it anymore.

by blogus on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 06:33:59 PM EST

Cheney resigning...I just don't see it (none / 0)

unless he faces criminal charges. Then all bets are off. Bush is probably going to pardon anyone who gets convicted when he leaves office in 2009. At this point, Bush is probably too weak to pick the Republican to succeed him. VP Condi would probably lose the nomination. I can't see Cheney stepping down because it would look really bad for the administration. Even if he was stepping down so Bush could appoint a successor, everyone would suspect it was because he committed some crime (which is probably the case). Bush only cares about himself, so now that he's gotten two terms, he couldn't care less about what happens to the Republicans in 2006 or 2008.

by dole4pineapple on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 06:59:01 PM EST

Now Bush gets to choose (none / 0)

Perhaps Bush is actually looking forward to this opportunity. Now he gets to control who has the lead as the '08 R nominee. As a lame duck he cetainly had no pull.

by Corey D Hernandez on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:27:26 PM EST

I hope so. (none / 0)

If Bush puts Rice in as VP, the Republican Party is in the minority for twenty years. No way they keep the South after putting an African-American woman into a real position of power.

by Kimmitt on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:32:16 PM EST

Baltimore terror alerts (none / 0)

Geez maybe it's just me and Keith O. that believe every time these fuckwits need a boost they push the terror button but it sure looks like it this week. The MSM talking heads are working over time kissing Bu$hCo butt trying to divert the sheeple from focusing on anything but the usual nonsense. Unfortunately though with so many fuck ups and so many criminal indictments coming down in every direction at once it appears a few of the wheels are starting to fly off the Bu$hmobile. In the end though Bu$hCO will succesfully pack the court with just enough wingnut judges to manage to overturn the Magna Carta by the time their done in 2035. By then Amerika will look more like todays Iran or Mexico then any of us would care to believe. The demos will still be wondering why they can never get more then 49% of the vote..... U get the picture.

by Blutodog on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 09:11:19 PM EST

Re: Baltimore terror alerts (none / 0)

You aren't the only one who agrees about the terror button theory.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:38:01 PM EST
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Re: Baltimore terror alerts (none / 0)

I hope not because they're not even trying to hard to hide it anymore are they?

by Blutodog on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:13:05 PM EST
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Re: It would be Powell, not Rice (none / 0)

Powell wouldn't do it. If he passed on the chance for Pres and VP in 1996 and 2000 as the rumors say, I doubt he does it now.

by yitbos96bb on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:26:45 PM EST

Re: It would be Powell, not Rice (none / 0)

Well, I don't know if by acclimation given the lead up to iraq, but he would be confirmed by near everyone. I just don't think he does it. His wife has always been very against it.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:01:58 AM EST
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Geena Davis, Dude! (none / 0)

If Cheney gets booted, we should demand that Geena Davis get the job. She does a much better job acting the part. And since we know that all they ever do in the Bush Regime is act...

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 10:52:39 PM EST

Re: Geena Davis, Dude! (none / 0)

I vote for Martin Sheen... OR how about David Palmer... Or even that Scummy guy who is totally incompetent in 24... reminds me of Bush without the accent.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:27:02 AM EST
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Re: Geena Davis, Dude! (none / 0)

Yes, but, Davis plays an independent, brought in as VP by a Republican, in order to present an image of fresh thinking, openness to new ideas, etc. Which is what Rice--believe it or not, in the fevered brains of conservative bloggers--is supposed to represent.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 09:54:58 AM EST
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Re: Geena Davis, Dude! (none / 0)

I watched a few minutes of the show, but I have never been a Davis fan, so I switched to other things. Just wasn't into it. Not as familiar with the storyline therefore.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:05:30 AM EST
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Re: It's Joe, Dude! (none / 0)

If Bush ( with Rove, of course,
whispering in his ear ) thinks
that he is in deep doodoo and
needs a bold stroke to present
a "new" image, then add Joe
Leiberman to the short list.

Bush could proclaim he was
"reaching out" to Democrats,
with a "national unity" selection.
He would not have to say, but
others would note, that after all
Leiberman was actually elected
to the job back in 2000.

Senate Democrats would let him
pass and be approved -- Senatorial
courtesy and all that.

We'd even lose another Senate seat --
the popular Governor of Connecticut,
who would appoint a replacement,
is Republican.

And you conspiracy theorists who
think that this Administration is
"Israeli ocupied territory" -- you
want to see what the investigation
finds about Israeli intelligence activity
in this country aiding and abetting
the War Party? Just you wait and see.
What investigation?

How does all that stick in your craw?

by Woody on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 01:38:40 PM EST
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Yep- Cheney gone- heir...??? (none / 0)

Yep- it's a great way to "pick" a successor...

But... who???

The problem is the american people would be nervous without someone with Dick's gravitas leading Bush.

That could be Rice...

Who else?

It would be a perfect time to bring in Guiliani.

Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?

by jgkojak on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 11:03:33 PM EST

McCain (none / 0)

That's my hunch. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was already done, with McCain agreeing to a pardon for Bush when he resigns (within the year). No facts to base this on, it just seems like the most likely scenario to me.

by steve expat on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 11:59:30 PM EST

They would go with a rising star. (none / 0)

Clean and fiery bright. Named Mike Huckabee or George Allen.

by strrbr on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 12:47:04 AM EST

Re: They would go with a rising star. (none / 0)

Yeah. I say it'll be Allen, if anyone other than Rice. They'll want to raise his national profile for 2008. And he's got a good, WASP, Presidential name.

Not Huckabee. Can you imagine it? President Huckabee?

TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds

by LiberalFromPA on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 02:17:52 PM EST
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They won't appoint anyone they don't control (none / 0)

Can't take the risk. A new face would have every motive to clean house, and as veep would be inside enough to make some very damaging leaks in pursuit of that goal.

Thinking about it that way, Rice really is a logical choice.

by aretino on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 03:56:59 PM EST
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Tommy Thompson (none / 0)

The smartest thing Bush could do is nominate Tommy Thompson has the new V.P. He can easily win the Senate support and has all of the pluses that the Bush administration needs right now.

-Pete

Andrew Hurst for Congress 2006

by pfrisbie on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 08:52:23 AM EST

Re: Tommy Thompson (none / 0)

Great, nothing like another incompetent in the administration. I worked under him at HHS... terrible, terrible leader.

by yitbos96bb on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 11:06:54 AM EST
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Dem war vote (none / 0)

The vote can be explained as a presidential empowerment bill, then blame bush for extending himself. Not extending as in "... the Army you have ...", but extending beyond the truth, beyond sense. We give driver's licenses at 16, but we take them back when the youngster gets too ... wild?

When Republicans respond "everyone agreed about WMD!", well, everyone had different ideas, the one that screwed up is Bush's. Some people thought the UN examiners were going along quite well. Its the reaction to the same thought that shows immaturity or hidden agenda.

When Republicans scream Clinton agreed, point out that Clinton's 1998 bombing may very well have saved us all. That bombing was effective, and showed our power and capabilities. Saddam probably decided he couldn't keep it up with that kind of ability. Clinton saved us.

BTW, Clinton's unconsummated affair with a consenting adult is far less immoral than bush's intercourse with the Nation.

by senor crews on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 04:29:42 PM EST

Speculation (none / 0)

I'd just like to tell everyone to take one second ('matter fact, take four beats...) and remember that Fitzgerald maybe the single quietest prosecutor I've ever seen. This is all speculation as no one knows what the hell he's gonna do.

Sean

by SeanBroom on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 05:10:10 PM EST

I like this in him (none / 0)

He's doing his job-which is to keep such matters secret until the inditements (or lack thereof). It's pissing off a bunch of journalists who are used to being spoon fed a series of leaks though, but screw the lazy bastards.

by Geotpf on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 06:34:20 PM EST
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