NJ-Gov: The Situation on the Ground

It's time to admit that the Democrats have been taking New Jersey for granted. The state's GOP bench has been weak. The leading contenders for the 2005 gubernatorial nomination -- Doug Forrester and Bret Schundler -- had been beaten before in statewide contests. Senator Corzine had already won statewide and was seen as an independent Democrat, not a Trenton machine insider. The scandals of the McGreevey administration had been replaced by strong approval of Acting Governor Codey. And the Republican President -- who lost New Jersey in both 2000 and 2004 -- has suffered from dismal approval ratings in the state for quite some time.

Once Forrester won the nomination, the polls showed Corzine ahead by anywhere from 10% to 20%. We all figured Jersey would be easy. Better to focus more attention on the other gubernatorial race in Virginia. But New Jersey voters are notoriously fickle. In August of 2004, John Kerry led George W. Bush in the state by at least 16%. By October, the two candidates were tied at 46%. Less than a week later, Kerry won the state by 7%.

Here we are again, on the eve of another election that had seemed destined to be a landslide, with the race seemingly all tied up. I'm not saying these polls should be discounted. Quite to the contrary, these polls should serve as a Democratic call to action. But New Jersey Democrats have been here before. The way I see it, there are a few key points to hit on to seal the deal for undecided voters.

While Doug Forrester and the state's Republicans rail against corruption in Trenton, they've got plenty of skeletons in their own closets to deal with. A quick check of the facts on this reveals that Forrester has the producers of the Swift Boat Veterans advertisements producing his television spots. In one of his ads, one of the 'Democrats' who endorses Forrester is in reality a corrupt Republican. Though he criticizes pay-to-play, no bid contracts, that's how Forrester made his millions. And he used those millions to finance his own campaign, possibly against the law, as he owns an insurance company.

These Republicans also claim that they're better suited to running the state responsibly and successfully. The history however, suggests otherwise. Commenter The Wizard gave a quick history lesson on Republican governance at Blue Jersey:

The last candidate for governor who offered a 30% tax cut was Whitman. She circumvented the Constitution and issued bonds to cover the State's operating budget in clear violation of the Constitution, leaving the State in a deep hole. Furthermore, she raided pension funds that state employees had paid into for years.

The Republicans are always carping about tax and spend Democrats.... I'll take tax and spend over borrow and embezzle anytime.

And perhaps most importantly, the cornerstone of Forrester's campaign is a joke. Tom Moran of the Star-Ledger, in a column famously cited in the Wall Street Journal editorial pages, analyzed Forrester's '30 in 3' property tax proposal. He found it somewhat lacking.

But Corzine's plan is very different than Forrester's...

It would cost a lot less, for one. Corzine wants to increase property tax rebates by 10 percent a year, for four years straight. That would cost $2.25 billion a year in the final year, about 50 percent more than we spend on rebates today.

Forrester has grander ambitions. He would reduce the property taxes homeowners pay by 30 percent, excluding any taxes on second homes.

He says that would cost under $3 billion a year, but he's playing politics with the numbers. He ignores the effect of inflation, for example, even though property taxes have been rising by 7 percent a year.

In the end, Forrester's plan could cost twice as much as Corzine's.

Recently, Moran revisited Forrester's property tax plan. Apparently, it hadn't improved.

Forrester says his [property tax] plan would cost about $3 billion a year, while Democrats put the number at $5.4 billion. Either way, the irony is that the Republican candidate is proposing the largest new spending program of the year.

But don't count on that cash just yet.

Forrest hasn't said how he'd pay for this program. And he doesn't direct the relief to where it's needed most.

Renters would get no new benefits, for example. And wealthy owners of expensive homes would benefit the most. He would remove the income cap that excludes families earning over $200,000 from existing rebate programs.

Some of you may remember that this isn't the first time Forrester's proven himself a one-trick pony. In 2002, Forrester ran against the ethically challenged Robert Torricelli for the Senate. When Torricelli withdrew from the race and former Senator Frank Lautenberg stepped up to take his place, Forrester's campaign collapsed. The single reason he expected voters to support him was that he was not Bob Torricelli. When that was taken away from him, he was sunk.

Now, Forrester expects people to support him for two reasons -- he's not corrupt and he's got a plan for dealing with high property taxes. But just like in 2002, it's a sham.

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Tomorrow night, Corzine and Forrester will be debating live on the radio. If you're in New Jersey and are looking for something to do, the campaign is hosting a great event at the Stress Factory in New Brunswick. Al Franken will be doing a running commentary on the debate and a few bloggers -- myself included -- will be attempting to live blog between the laughter. Apparently, tickets are still available. It should be really fun, so think about coming out.


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Small note ... (none / 0)

You said polls had Corzine up from 10-20 points.

Rasmussen always had Corzine at 7 or 8 points up since the primary ended.

Now most polls (including Marist's registered voters totals) have it at 7 percent or so.

by nathan on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 07:47:18 AM EST

Re: Polls had Corzine up by more than 20+ (none / 0)

Yes, Scott is correct

There was a time that Corzine was up by over 20 points against either GOP nominee. The only question in NJ papers were who would Corzine pick as his replacement for his Senate seat.

Fast forward. Three weeks from election day & Republican Forrester clearly has MO' on his side.

One difference between Forrester compared to other previous GOP candidates is he has LOTS of MONEY to spend. ( his a multi-millionaire)Secondly, Republicans have once again used the " YOU ARE PAYING HIGH TAXES COZ of Democrats " issue effectively. And since NJ has the highest property Taxes in the Union; Independent voters have shifted dramatically in the last two weeks toward the Republican candidate

Third, the Law of averages. NJ is not as Solid Blue as some people may think especially in Statewide races. After Democrat Gov. Mc Greevey " I am Gay" scandal rocked NJ, Democrats were very fortunate to have successfully STAVED Off the clamor of Republicans to hold a Special Election.
Why? Well, poll after poll showed that the GOP were favored to pick-up the seat if elections were held during those days. Another lucky break was when incumbent Democratic Sen. Bob Torrecelli cleverly RESIGNED ( due to corruption scandal) in the middle of his re-election battle. At that time, All polls showed that the Republican candidate was poised to Defeat Torricelli & take over the Senate seat. Democrats were able to covinced the popular Retired 80+ yrs. old Senator Frank Lautenberg to replace Torrecelli less than 45 days before the election. We went on to win the seat.

Democrats dodged two fatal bullets in the last several years with a mixture of luck. The GOP is anxious & hungry to get back into power.
Independent voters will no doubt decide this race.

But the signs of a GOP victory now or in the near future are there. Bush's 2004 stronger performance than 2000 is another indication of that trend.

Another ominous sign is current polls to replace Sen. Corzine(assuming he pulls this off) show that the son of Popular Republican Former Gov. Tom Kean is ahead of potential match-ups against any Democrat.

NJ Democrats better wake-up & work their butt off.
This is the DANGER when one party controls all offices ( Governor & two Senate seats). They get complacent & forget that politics  goes in cycles.

by labanman on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 09:41:22 AM EST
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Re: Polls had Corzine up by more than 20+ (none / 0)

Scott and Labanman are correct. The party in NJ has become appallingly complacent, and was very fortunate to dodge two bullets in the past few years.

My view: Corzine's been an excellent senator. However, independents need to be given an affirmative reason to vote for him -- not just his "life story." They don't believe he will clean up the state. He's between a rock and a hard place: he desperately needs to present a serious plan for doing just that, but the party apparatus won't appreciate that. (Up in Bergen County there was a near-riot over his endorsement in an intra-party nomination race.)  

In one year as interim governor, Codey figured out how to credibly present himself as a reformer, and he's now beloved -- even by many Republicans.

Corzine's many "gifts" to supporters over the years aren't helping him now; they've compromised his message that he's too rich to be bought. (He's perceived as the one doing the "buying," which is little better.) And tying Forrester to Bush, as the campaign has clumsily been attempting to do, simply won't work.

by bcamarda on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 11:03:52 AM EST
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Re: Yup, Corzine has to go beyong his story (none / 0)

I agree. Jon Corzine's famous Self-Made Man, started from the mailroom to CEO is an inspirational story.

However, its time for him to really come out with his own bold agenda on how he will improve NJ.

Many outside of NJ don't realize that Republicans are capable of an upset in this race. Yes, NJ leans democratic but the NJ State Republican Party is strong enough to win a statewide race.

A democrat lost here could quickly change the picture of NJ politics. With Sen. Lautenberg expected to retire, there is no doubt that the son of Tom Kean will be the heavy favorite for that seat.

The intraparty squable in Bergen County just shows you what too much power consolidated on one party does. This is all about territory, power, influence & control.

This is No different than All the problems intraparty issues among Republicans in TX,OH, KY.
All these One Party State dominated areas that eventually lead to power struggle within the party.

by labanman on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:09:55 PM EST
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Re: Yup, Corzine has to go beyong his story (none / 0)

Just a small point -- Frank Lautenberg isn't set to retire.  He's said himself on numerous occasions that he will be running for a fifth term, has been raising money for it, and its been widely reported that he's upset with other Democrats raising money for their exploratory bids.

If he's mentally and physically capable of running again, he's running again.

by Mr Moderate on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:13:51 PM EST
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Fickle voters (none / 0)

Could it really be that NJ voters are so fickle, or might it just be difficult to run an accurate poll in this diverse state? It seems like there have been some very big outlier polls. In these same polls, most voters say they've made up their mind on who they're voting for - so how can it be that we're seeing such large swings in voter prefernece in such a short amount of time?
BlueJersey
by jmelli on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 08:55:57 AM EST

well, the polling last year was bad (none / 0)

IIRC. Some polls had Bush tied or even leading NJ. Kerry ended up winning by a comfortable 7%, less than Gore, but still more than the polls showed. Not saying these polls are wrong, I think Forrester is closing the gap, but just that the polling was weird last year.  
by jj32 on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 11:19:49 AM EST
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The Problem (1.00 / 0)

is that Forrester's attacks on Corzine have some truth to them.

The New Jersey Democratic party is a corrupt organization run by power-brokers.  Citizens had no say in how the nomination played out.  Dick Codey, acting governor, has been relatively popular since Jim McGreevey resigned.  And Corzine simply told Codey that he would be running, he would spend whatever money he needed, and that was that.  Corzine has spent lots of money not only to advertise himself, but to support local power brokers to solidify his organization support.  So his claims of being an outsider not touched by corruption ring hollow.

Meanwhile, there is all this talk of Corzine annointing a successor for his Senate seat.  Again, the party seems to be trying to work this out in a backroom deal rather than allowing any meaningful citizen participation.

Then there are all the personal issues.  Corzine having an affair with a union president (and writing off a "loan" he made to her), Corzine involved in questionable deals concerning the Newark arena.  It just stinks all around.

I liked Corzine in 2000.  I supported him even though at the time I was more inclined to vote for third party candidates with a more progressive message.  I still like his positions.  But it is more along the lines of being pleased with the selection of a benevolent dictator, rather than getting behind someone I can support as a citizen.  And in any event Forrester and the republicans haven't shown themselves to be any more worthy of support.

So I'll vote for Corzine, but without much enthusiasm.  And if he blows it, then the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves.

by JPhurst on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:29:48 PM EST

Re: NJ's corruption is one of the worst! (none / 0)

Yup, NJ state's corruption is one of the worst.

I read somewhere that NJ has one of the highest # of Indicted & Convicted Politicians.

From the battles between Democratic Power brokers of South Jersey vs. Powerbrokers of North Jersey.  To the most corrupt Northern counties of Hudson,Essex and even Bergen county. Even South Jersey has its share of indictments.

I just hope NJ Democrats learn before they start actually losing on of these statewide races. They seem just too complacent & end up relying on the base to turn out on election day.

by labanman on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:25:55 PM EST
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Re: NJ's corruption is one of the worst! (none / 0)

Just to clarify, the corruption is most definitely bipartisan...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/23/nyregion/23jersey.html?ex=1266814800&en=0342acd2d26f0388&e i=5090&partner=rssuserland

by Scott Shields on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:58:40 PM EST
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Re: Absolutely! It is Bipartisan (none / 0)

Its absolutely bipartisan. I would have love to say that it was only Republicans. But the fact of the matter is politicians are politicians.
No matter what party.

by labanman on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 02:39:13 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (2.50 / 2)

All you've done here is internalize GOP talking points and give them weight. Corzine did not have "an affair with a union president" and then write off the 'loan' he gave her. That's a total BS Forrester talking point. She was his girlfriend. They had a relationship. He's really rich. He wrote her that mortgage to help her out, figuring they were going to wind up together and the obligations of the loan were going to be his anyway. When it became clear that wasn't the case, he wrote off the loan. End of story. Totally legal and on the up-and-up. Remove the right wing spin and it's not nearly the scandal it's been made out to be.

I'd like to have seen an open primary as well, but you've totally missed the point on the relationship between the machines and Corzine. How can you say he's not independent of the machines after what happened up in Bergen County with the State Senate seat? Turnout in Bergen is incredibly important. But more important to Corzine was that Loretta Weinberg, an incredibly progressive independent Democrat, win the seat over Boss Ferriero's pick, Ken Zisa.

The sad fact of the matter is that, until progressive groups like the local DFAs take over the party and elect candidates like Jun Choi, the only people who can afford to be independent of the machines are wealthy. If Codey had been the nominee, the machines would have wrung so many concessions out of him that he would likely no longer be the Dick Codey you now recognize and respect. But the machines need Corzine more than he needs them, diminishing their power. That's important if you're interested in long term reform of the party.

by Scott Shields on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:50:17 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (1.00 / 0)

"She was his girlfriend. They had a relationship. He's really rich. He wrote her that mortgage to help her out, figuring they were going to wind up together and the obligations of the loan were going to be his anyway. When it became clear that wasn't the case, he wrote off the loan. End of story."

In other words, he had an affair with a union president and wrote off the loan.

I don't swallow Republican talking points.  I live here and know damn well what goes on.  Your attempt to pretend that this is not a problem, even if legal, is precisely why so many New Jersey voters are getting fed up and may turn to Forrester.

The Weinberg-Zisa matter is a pissing contest.  Corzine is just showing that he is a power broker himself.

We don't need Al Franken making jokes and bloggers making snide remarks during a debate.  We need political figures who recognize that they are accountable to citizens, and don't see granting ballot lines as the result of backroom deals and intrigue.

by JPhurst on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 02:09:22 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (none / 0)

There's spin and there are facts. The word "affair" is spin. And whether you're getting it from them or not, it's the same spin being pushed by the Forrester campaign.

Reading your comments, I'm not sure what would make you happy here outside of complete and total destruction of the state's Democratic Party. That's not a goal I share.

And by the way, what Al Franken and a few bloggers are planning to do tonight isn't stopping reform. The two are not even close to being mutually exclusive. (In fact, if anything, tonight's event supports that agenda by bringing outsiders into the system.) If you don't want to come down and have some fun, that's your prerogative. But it's not impossible to have fun and pursue change at the same time.

by Scott Shields on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 02:56:37 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (1.00 / 0)

Your whole premise of this diary is that the Democrats needed a few "talking points" to pound the issue home and seal a win.  My point is that the problem with the Democrats in New Jersey is significantly deeper than that.

If you want to try to say things like "but it wasn't really an "affair" or "he never meant to recoup that "loan" regardless of what happened" it just makes you look like an apologist for questionable conduct.  I'm sorry, but the typical New Jersey voter doesn't put up with bs like that.

I have absolutely no idea where you come off saying I want the "complete and total destruction of the state's Democratic Party."  I want complete and total reform.

by JPhurst on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 03:29:23 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (none / 0)

I have absolutely no idea where you come off saying I want the "complete and total destruction of the state's Democratic Party."  I want complete and total reform.

And how do you propose achieving that reform without getting rid of every Democrat already in office? Like I said, I'm not sure what would make you happy here.

I don't know what to say to your assertion that there's no difference between the words 'affair' and 'relationship.' One is loaded, one is not. You want to go with the loaded word and accuse me of being an apologist (and 'lame' rate me) for not going along.

You're almost right about my basic premise, that "Democrats needed a few 'talking points' to pound the issue home and seal a win." I wouldn't call these talking points, but I certainly do think we need to pound the issues home. The things you're talking about -- the larger problems with the Democratic Party in the state -- are non sequiturs as responses to my post. "The problems with Democrats in New Jersey" is not what I'm writing about here, even if that's what you want to discuss.

You keep claiming that we can only talk about one thing or the other -- Al Franken or reform, "affair" or no problem at all. I don't accept having to make choices like that. I think we can have fun and pursue change. I think we can defend Corzine without being apologists. I'm sorry you disagree.

by Scott Shields on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:27:58 PM EST
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Re: Jun Choi is case in point! (none / 0)

 Jun Choi is a a perfect example of the characters we have within the Democratic party.

Jun Choi basically made history by defeating an incumbent, well entrenched Democratic Mayor in Edison during the primary. A Well qualified Asian-American Immigrant defeating the Old Italian controlled politics of Edison.

However, instead of Democrats coalescing & uniting behind Choi-we now have a break away group of Democrats who have their own candidate.

I just hope their actions don't end up giving the seat to the Republican candidate.
ITS A SHAME!

P.S. Jun Choi's success would be a perfect recruiting tool for the wealthy & rapidly growing Korean-American community in NJ who tend to lean Republican.

by labanman on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 02:46:07 PM EST
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Re: Jun Choi is case in point! (none / 0)

Republicans withdrew their candidate a while ago and are instead backing the Independent candidate against Jun Choi.
by Mr Moderate on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:16:12 PM EST
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Re: The Problem (1.00 / 0)

Just to clarify, the Governor is, I believe, entitled by law to fill Senate vacancies.  Just because he might not pick who you like doesn't mean it's shady, just that its the law, and if he does it without party influence (and that means both party officials and so-called "grassroots" groups), that's his prerogative.
by LaX WI on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 03:00:46 PM EST
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Prediction (none / 0)

Corizine will win. The present govenor will become the new Sen. from NJ.
by bruh21 on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:31:26 PM EST

New Fairleigh-Dickinson poll... (none / 0)

...makes yesterday's poll look like an outlier.  Corzine up 48-40, which is in the ballpark of most of the other recent polls we've seen. I'm not suggesting complacency, but this race still looks ok for Corzine, if not exactly a lock.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/gubern/tab.html

I got this link from politicalwire.com, btw.

by danielj on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:34:33 PM EST

Re: New Fairleigh-Dickinson poll... (none / 0)

Is anyone else concerned that even in this poll  independents are breaking for Forrester?  We need two things between now and Election Day: an effective ad blitz by Corzine with all that Goldman Sachs money, and a major GOTV ground game (probably financed the same way).  
by lonemorriscodem on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 07:22:48 PM EST
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nj dems (none / 0)

According to the excellent book Suburban Sahibs, when peter Kothari, a leader in the Indian community, tried to run aas a democratic contender for freeholder in Middlesex, he was rebuffed and ran as a republican instead. He still lost, but the party brokers didn't want him so he told his people to turn on the democrats...
by jerseydan on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 09:50:25 PM EST

Donating to Kaine's campaign... (none / 0)

I have tried more than once to donate to Tim Kaine's campaign.  It keeps rejecting my credit card.

So I called my credit card company, and sure enough, it's still valid; and it's got more than the lousy $50 I was planning to donate.

by notime4lies on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 09:55:59 PM EST


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