Greens paved way for electoral college challenge!

     "Clearly, by demanding a recount and an investigation into the widespread irregularities with the presidential vote in Ohio, the Green Party paved the way for today's challenge to Ohio's Electoral College votes," said Cobb.

...Cobb spoke before hundreds of people in Washington, DC, today, who were gathered at two rallies.

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The Cobb-LaMarche Campaign
Working to Make Every Vote Count!  
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COBB/LaMARCHE 2004 GREEN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
http://www.votecobb.org

NEWS RELEASE

For immediate release:  January 6, 2005
Contact:   Blair Bobier, Media Director at 414.364.1596

GREENS PAVED THE WAY FOR HISTORIC ELECTORAL VOTE CHALLENGE

      Today's historic Electoral College vote challenge would not have happened without the leadership of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, who initiated the recount of Ohio's presidential vote and is demanding a second recount in federal court because the first recount was conducted in violation of state and federal law.

     "Clearly, by demanding a recount and an investigation into the widespread irregularities with the presidential vote in Ohio, the Green Party paved the way for today's challenge to Ohio's Electoral College votes," said Cobb.

Cobb called for an investigation of the vote in Ohio on November 5 and announced several days later that he would ask for a recount.   Cobb testified before two Congressional forums chaired by Representative John Conyers held in Washington and Columbus, Ohio, and announced at the second forum the allegations of voting machine tampering which are now the subject of investigations by the GAO and the FBI.

    "Today is truly historic and marks the beginning of a new democracy movement in America.  We cannot honestly call our country a democracy until we have publicly financed campaigns, instant runoff voting, a Constitutional right to vote and until each and every voter can verify their vote with a paper receipt," said Cobb.

Cobb spoke before hundreds of people in Washington, DC, today, who were gathered at two rallies.  The first rally featured Cobb and Reverend Jesse Jackson and took place in Lafayette Park, across from the White House, at 10 a.m.  Reverend Jackson acknowledged the leadership role that the Green Party has played in seeking justice in Ohio.  Cobb then joined with hundreds of protestors marching from the White House to the Capitol along Pennsylvania Avenue.  Protestors took over two lanes of traffic and chanted pro-democracy messages en route.

    Once at the Capitol, the marchers joined with another demonstration in progress at Upper Senate Park where Cobb again shouted out the Green message of grassroots democracy and social and racial justice.

    Cobb recently asked a federal court in Ohio to order a second recount because the initial recount was conducted in violation of Ohio recount law and constitutional guarantees of due process and equal protection.  Cobb has also demanded a recount of the vote in New Mexico, the state with the highest percentage of under-votes in the nation.  New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson has refused to comply with the recount law of New Mexico so Cobb filed a lawsuit to get the recount started.  That case is now pending before the New Mexico Court of Appeals.

    Additional information about the Ohio and New Mexico recounts and the Cobb-LaMarche campaign can be found at http://www.votecobb.org.  The website for the national Green Party is http://www.gp.org.


Poll
Did the challenge go far enough?
Too far. Should never have done it. Bush won fair and square.
Too far. Should never have done it. The Republicans will roast the Democrats over this.
It came off okay, but they made me nervous by bringing this whole thing up.
It was great. Just right. They put election reform on the table and got the conversation going.
Came out okay, but dang why'd they wait so long to make up their minds?
Not far enough. They should have contested the whole election and gone after multiple states. That is the only way we'll get election reform.
Not far enough. They should have contested the whole election and gone after multiple states. John Kerry should be inaugerated Jan 20th.

Votes: 17
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Here's the list of 31 House Supporters (3.00 / 1)

---- YEAS    31 ---

Brown, Corrine
Carson
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Davis (IL)
Evans
Farr
Filner
Grijalva
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Lee
Lewis (GA)
Markey
McKinney
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Payne
Schakowsky
Thompson (MS)
Waters
Watson
Woolsey

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll007.xml

Sen. Boxer and listed Reps are our heroes today.

by afs on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:27:29 PM EST

Yeah 4 list of 31 House Supporters! Go CBC+ Dems! (none / 0)

They are total heros.  Conyers, JJ, Sharpton, and this list of (CBC+) Congressional Black Caucus plus a few join Arnebeck, Cobb, Badnarik and Nader as heros in my book.
Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 10:13:32 PM EST
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Greens also paved way for Bush 2000 (1.66 / 3)

Helping to criticize the monster the Green Party forced upon America does not begin to provide a net advantage during the Green Party's existence.
by Bob Brigham on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:45:31 PM EST

Re: Greens also paved way for Bush 2000 (3.00 / 3)

perhaps your venom would be more properly directed towards Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, DBT and Gore for directing the Dem Senators not to challenge.

I thought Nader's campaign was a mistake, but he certainly did not hand W the WH.

And, I thought freedom of expression, freedom of choice were hallmark liberal/ progressive values. Criticizing someone for not voting for your candidate doesn't seem to fit.

by spiderleaf on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:53:37 PM EST
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We'll never know the extent of Fraud 2000 (3.00 / 1)

The Reeps were not going to lose that election, Nader or not. Same with Fraud '04.
Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:12:50 PM EST
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Non-violence (1.00 / 1)

How's that support of the war doing for you in Green party meetings JamBoi? Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure "invading Iraq if they do it right and then changing your mind later" is part of the ten Green principles, no?

And what's with all the Green party links? I thought you were a Democrat, or was that just something you wrote to fit in with the crowd?

Let me put it this way--MyDD is not a place to repeatedly shill for your cause of the moment, nor is it a place to repeatedly post diaries that are simply cut and paste press releases. Your diary topics also border on trolling. You have been warned.

by Chris Bowers on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 10:14:34 PM EST

Re: Non-violence (1.00 / 1)

My question is whether it is cool to troll rate non-Democrats on a Democratic blog.
by Bob Brigham on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 11:41:46 PM EST
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Why would it be cool to be nondemocratic on a (none / 0)

Democratic blog?  If underhanded tactics are accepted in the Democratic party and Democratic blogs, well how is democracy to flourish if its not practiced even among so called Democrats?  Ah but I forgot... It was the Democrats who tried to keep the Greens off the ballot in so many states across the nation and kept Cobb, Badnarik and the other "3rd" party candidates out of the debate.  Is democracy only for the Democrats?  If we are not part of your party we have less than human and can be targeted and trashed in just the same way that the NeoFascists do?  Who's side would that put the Democrats on?  Liberty or tyranny?
Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 02:24:48 AM EST
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Re: Non-violence (none / 0)

Few things here:

  1. Your (could be called stalking) "research" into me: I guess I should feel flattered to have someone do such research into my positions.  Maybe that means you're thinking about nominating me for some office and just seeing if I'm consistent in my positions?  Seriously that's creepy that you spent the time to study me so much in depth.  Weird.

  2. Non-violence: Since you ask, I'll explain and make the benefit of the doubt assumption that you ask in sincerity. When it it comes to non-violence as I've posted elsewhere, technically I'm not really worthy to call myself a Christian in the original meaning since I'm not entirely pacifistic as Jesus and his original followers were.  I'm not sure if I could give up my life willingly in matyrdom like Jesus, Peter, Paul, MLK, Detriech Bonehoeffer, etc.  I'm not sure I'm that virtuous.  But I'd like to aspire to it.

I was brought up in a military family and have served myself, which is not something a real pacifist would have done.  Nevertheless, I have huge respect for pacifists and am trying to learn to apply the principles non-violent resistance of Jesus, Gandi, MLK, etc., but by temperment I'm really more like C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and Deitrich Bonhoeffer who all fought for their countries and principals when they felt it was right, and lived with the self-contradictions and consequences of their choices.

I'm really more similar in that respect to a Kerry Democrat than probably most Greens.  If the info that BushCo was pedaling had been accurate I would have supported the war IF they'd built a coalition of truly willing via the UN.  That's what I was refering to in that post you identified from me over at DK.  Did I explain my position coherently?

3) Let's Party: I said I'm a democrat, not a Democrat.  Get it?  I used to be a Democrat and was active in supporting my Dem. Congressperson.  But over time I felt the party was selling out to the Transnational corporations.  I think NAFTA was about the last straw for me.  In that election I voted for Clinton and felt entirely betrayed by him when he sold NAFTA in a way that Bush Sr. never could have.  Over time I've realized that although Clinton did that despicable act he was so much preferable to the Republicans that he was definitely a superior alternative and not just the evil of two lessers.  However during that time after the NAFTA debacle I started looking into the Green party and I found out that they had a marvelous 10 Key Values that they really tried to live by which were entirely grass-roots, and truly democratic, and non-corporate.  That's when I became a Green.

Since Nov. 3rd I've realized that #1 Gore won in 2000, and that President-in-exile Gore, despite his human frailties would have been so far superior to Bush as the earth is to the moon that I screwed myself by not paying closer attention to the shenanigans that the NeoFascists pulled off in FL in 2000 and not fighting for Gore's election and for election reform since then.  So now I'm making up for lost time.

In this election I was a pro-Kerry Green. Had CA not been a "safe" state for Kerry, I'd have gotten active in his campaign.  Unfortunately it was not until Nov 3rd and after that I realized how fraudulent our election system is and silly me, I'd been trusting that at least most of the votes would be counted and the will of the people which was obviously for Kerry would be respected.  Silly me.  I was so looking forward to being a Green in loyal-coalition with our new President-elect-in-exile Kerry.  I had no idea the lengths the NeoFascists would go to.  If my candidate gets beat in a fair fight I can accept that, but this was no fair fight.

I will be proud to vote for and support ANY PATRIOTIC, UNIVERSAL HUMAN SUFFERAGE, CIVIL RIGHTS ORIENTED, ASS KICKING Democrat in the mold of Kerry, Conyers, Jackson, Sharpton, Arnebeck, Tubbs, Waters, Boxer, etc.!  Dems with 'nads I'm down with!  The Democratic party could even win me back if they will stick up for democracy.

Is that clearer?

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 02:19:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Non-violence (none / 0)

"You have been warned".  First off are you an admin?  If so you should send me a proper e-mail and discuss it with me.  If not you're way, way, way out of line.  If you don't like my diary entries I suggest you not read them.
Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 02:27:17 AM EST
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Re: Non-violence (none / 0)

Chris,

I just looked up and found that indeed you ARE an admin!  Unbelievable that you would choose to handle whatever disagreements you have with me in such an unprofessional manner.  You have my e-mail (I don't have yours) and that is the proper way to approach me if I'm somehow violating your community standards.  The way you approached me by essentially stalking my comments on an entirely different blog is just plain creepy.  Are "progressives" taking notes from the rethuglicans now?  Are antidemocratic attitudes applied with the boot in the ribs the way of the Democrats now?  Disgusting.

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 10:18:42 PM EST
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Re: Non-violence (none / 0)

sorry, I meant jackboots in the ribs.  BTW, how is your comment related to non-violence?  It was very violent towards me IMO.
Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com
by JamBoi on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 10:38:23 PM EST
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