Bad Idea Jeans

Democrats are fond of wearing them:
Senior Democrats are trying to persuade national Chairman Terry McAuliffe to continue his service as party chairman, especially if none of the current candidates gains momentum in the race to replace him.

About a half-dozen candidates are in the race and a couple of others are considering a run for the position. It will be filled in February at the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites)'s winter meetings.

McAuliffe met privately Wednesday with several Democratic senators on Capitol Hill, and was asked again to consider serving for another year or two, Democrats say. McAuliffe's response was not immediately known, but he has been cool to such overtures in the past.

I never had the pathological dislike for Terry Mac that many on the blogosphere seem to harbor for him. For my part, I'm sure this has at least something to do with McAuliffe being from Syracuse, the same town where I grew up. I guess it is always nice to see locals do well. I still hope he will run for the NY-25th in 2006.

However, keeping him on for another year or two is a terrible idea. Democrats are in dire need of change, in dire need of reform, in dire need of entrepreneurs. T-Mc had his time, now it is time for something new. If nothing else, the desire to have him stay on as chair signals that there are a large number of Democrats who do not want any of these things, because, I guess, having 44% of Governorships, 45% of the Senate, 46% of the House, 48.3% of the Presidential vote and 50% of state legislatures is good enough for them.

I just talked to Simon Rosenberg, who is definitely an impressive candidate. I cannot imagine that anyone among the announced the potential candidates besides Rosenberg and Dean is fully aware enough of the problems we face as a party to engage in the required reforms, changes and entrepreneurial enterprises necessary to reverse our fortunes (although the flaming bag of dog poop scandal briefly had me thinking otherwise). .You can see Rosenberg's new website for his campaign at Simonforchair.com.



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my hope (none / 0)

When consultants and candidates want to talk-at the blogosphere, I hope somebody in the room will advise against risking a flaming bag of dog poop scandal. My hope is that campaigns will schedule time for online retail politics and will grasp the potential of interaction. Let Fowler's self-destruction serve as a lesson we can learn from.
by Bob Brigham on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 03:45:14 PM EST

Re: my hope (none / 0)

Talk at? What diary were you reading? There are dozens of comments on the flaming bag diary now and all of the questions have answers, at the very least a link to Donnie's website which provides a great deal of information from Donnie. I certainly wouldn't call it self-destruction.

The guy came to the blogs, not the other way around. He recognized and continues to believe they are a legitimate and important audience for a candidate for DNC chair.

Why would you advise someone against coming to a constituency, asking for their input, and then having a reasonable discussion with them about your views?

"into your illusion, i make my intrusion"
by fng on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 01:13:20 PM EST
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22:33 after the original...sorry to be cutting it so close.
"into your illusion, i make my intrusion"
by fng on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 01:15:53 PM EST
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I like Terry as a person... (3.00 / 2)

Although currently residing in South Bend, IN (as a law student), I was McAuliffe's designated driver anytime he would come down to Miami, FL for events back as an undergrad.

I received the gig because, at the time, I was president of the college democrats.  I gleaned the following during my time with the chairman, who we affectionately referred to as "T-Mac".

1.  I was shocked that a chairman of anything, let alone of the Democratic Party, would allow mere students to drive him around.  He is a hilarious guy, would talk to governors and senators on the phone right in front of us, and would get us into all the events for free. He is very down to earth, and an all-around average guy

2.  He would genuinely listen to our suggestions.  We had asked him to throw up a DNC blog, and within a week of him returning from the trip they had one up.  Call it a coincidence, but he may have indeed listened to his base on that one.

 I think he did alot for the party.  When you hear his generic presentation, he speaks about building a massive mailing list, completely revamping the website, raised a hell of alot of money, vacated the old headquarters which he said they rented from a Republican, etc...  Look, he couldn't do it all, but he certainly did alot.

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To view pics of his visits, see UM College Democrats website

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by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:21:05 PM EST

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UM College Democrats website
by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:24:41 PM EST
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I think there are several reasons that McAuliffe gets a bad reputation, but even I am not sure what is deserved and what is not.

Essentially, McAuliffe took over right after Bush was elected. Every person who posts on this board I am sure was PISSED. It was then that "T-Mac" gave his inagural speech saying "if not for the Supreme Court, Al Gore would be in the White House, George Bush back in Texas State House, and Ashcroft at home reading Southern Partisan magazine". Yet after 9-11, he certainly didn't push that type of rhetoric in the 2002 midterm elections. That decision was awful costly in the grand scheme of things.

Then in November of 2003, McAuliffe was invited to speak at a New Hampshire elementary school. McAuliffe was supposed to give a guest lecutre on the three branches of gov't. Instead, Terry went beserk, telling the students if Bush was elected there would be a draft, and THEY would have to serve. He continued his rhetoric for so long that the administrators at the schools were speechless. Kids went home, I am told, crying. Yet Terry did all he could to suffocate Dean, and then after there was a "safe candidate" again didn't take the fight to the Republicans.

So which is it? Is McAuliffe himself a victim of having to be everything to everyone, or did he conscientiously call off the dogs? You got me as to what the truth is, but the inconsistency is what irritates the rank and file Dems. It's okay to soft-pedal, it's okay to rip Bush a new asshole. But, can we please get a feel for the strategy?

I say that, because yeah, no doubt McAuliffe has done a great job raising big money. He also is extremely brave in taking on GOPundits when no elected person will. He also isn't as full of himself as he could be. No...that's the mystery...who is the REAL T-Mac? If we knew that, no one would think Dean or others would be such an improvement.

by risenmessiah on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 07:08:48 PM EST
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I have to admit on the dean score, that T-mac definitely was against his candidacy.  No doubt.  While he didn't say it flat out to us, he gave us his 100% certifiable guarantee that Dean would not get the nomination.  This was back in November of 2003, right when Al Gore endorsed his candidacy and Dean was at his peak.  Makes you think...
by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 07:21:10 PM EST
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McAuliffe didn't like the fact that Joe Trippi had out-fundraised him. It was like, here is what the DNC did, and here is what DFA did. I knew once Dean had been torpedoed that the Dems would lose in November. Not because I wasn't hoping for the opposite (and I still voted for Kerry) but because Dean's candidicy required Bush having a very bad year. Apparently most people around big Dem donors figured Bush would get his act together last year in which case Kerry was an OK pick.

What terrifies me is that the big donors and Party hacks actually believed Bush's spin. I expected the Red State Retard to follow the GOP aimlessly, but when you get T-Mac and John Kerry led around by the snout...

Plus, I dunno if this is Luke or Chris but I too am young enough to where I don't take these "but in 2050" comments lightly. I don't want to be working myself to death because Charles Schwab and Peter Lynch pissed away my Social Security contribution. I also sincerely hope you like Notre Dame, they rejected me for law school. :P

by risenmessiah on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:29:35 PM EST
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I think you are right in regards to McAuliffe having a diagnosed case of Dean Envy.  I seriously felt that, back in late 2003, he started to feel insignificant in light of Dean's success.  He was raising money on his own, creating his own message, his campaign was rolling, and the worst part for T-mac was - he was doing all the aforementioned successfully.

As for the UM Democrats, Luke is my successor.  We had a great time at the first debate, when Kerry absolutely clobbered Bush.  Just wish there was more of that.

Im back in Miami now, but leaving back for ND this Sunday.  Its cold as $#%^ up there, but a good school


by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:34:19 PM EST
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TMac called From and Reed to knock it off when they were criticizing Dean.

STFU about him being anti-Dean.

by audibledevil on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 10:05:14 PM EST
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Re: I like Terry as a person... (none / 0)

Its a little something called "saving face" in light of what seemed the inevitable, my friend.
by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 11:10:23 PM EST
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Chris:

I only tease you because I am a grad student at a certain school that plays Notre Dame yearly. I am happy to hear you enjoy it. As for the debate, what does it tell you that Kerry can cold-cock Bush and still lose?

AudibleDevil:

You got some proof? Forget From and Reed...do the words Americans for Jobs and Healthcare mean anything to you? Dean was clubbed over the head by that 527 run by Kerry and Edwards people in violation of the BCRA. You obvouisly didn't read this thread carefully (or you are McAulliffe's nephew). I said that I don't dislike McAuliffe as a person either, but that he was woefully inconsistent since the first day on the job in regards to tone and tenor. Dean or no Dean, McAuliffe's "strategy" cost us 2002. And quite frankly that year has much bigger repercussions than '04 or '00.

I ask you...please keep MyDD civil and respectable. Everyone I have met here is more than accomdodating.

by risenmessiah on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 11:18:42 PM EST
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Purdue?  Michigan?  USC?  argh! :P

Hah, as for the Kerry loss, it certainly doesn't say all that much on behalf of his overall performance.

by kitsae on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 11:32:42 PM EST
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I'm currently starting at USC's School of PUblic Policy and Development. I have been at law school, but the Catholic university where I was a student...they kick out people based not on whether they pass or fail, but by section rank. So I managed to be the goat. I hope to avenge myself one day, but I had a poor LSAT thhat most midmajors averaged into my better LSAT...hence I'm not at Notre Dame for law school either.

Kerry's overall...overall performance? He apparently had some concept of what to do, but as everyone at least on MyDD groans vociferously didn't do it.

I told someone else (can't remember who) it's largely voodoo thinking that Bush or the Republicans have dramatic, outrageous victories. Since the start of the 20th century the popular vote is usually at most 55%-45%...but because of the electoral college suddenly it's tight again. In many ways, I'm just stunned that Nixon's Southern strategy works so well, even 35 years later.

Kerry lost overall high-school educated women over 18. I think Belsan occuring so close to the Republican national convention was crucial. Bush ought to mail Putin a thank you note for that ridiculous siege attempt. But hey, supposed Bush did best among old people. So hence he took the money from investment banks that wanted to privatize Social Security but stayed mum during the campaign. Just imagine if McAuliffe had been talking about that between September and November. "King George better stop sucking at the tit of Wall Street with your money in his sights".

In any case, we'll see how bad this SSI proposal implodes...either before it ever gets started...or as the shit progressively hits the fan. We turn out the old people in '06 and '08 and goodbye GOP majority!

by risenmessiah on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 03:36:03 AM EST
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I was definitely surprised to see that Kerry had lost the election in the 65+ age demographic by 5 points to Bush, according to exit polling.

These same polls gve Gore the 5 point lead back in 2000 - so apparently his "lock box" talk helped him along, or conversely Bush could have gained the advantage this time around due to the "security issue".

Hopefully the SS battle will help swing those 5 points back to us, and possibly more, during the '06 and '08 elections.

by kitsae on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 08:53:55 AM EST
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Basically,

the one thing every Democrat has to learn from Michael Moore is that if you have ammo left in the clip, you don't let off the trigger. Unless something is constitutionally certain, it's on the ballot in your district, state, or country. Even Kerry coming out hard for something like ANWR mighta helped.

by risenmessiah on Sat Jan 08, 2005 at 02:16:12 AM EST
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RE: Bad Idea Jeans (none / 0)

really, not much more stupid than acid washed.
by tommy on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:28:37 PM EST

Terry in Congress (3.00 / 1)

I don't much like Terry, and I hope he doesn't stay on as chair. But having spent some time up in Syracuse, the idea of him knocking off Jim Walsh is fairly appealing.
by Blue Goose on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:07:54 PM EST

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Being an almost life long resident of the Syracuse area, I always want to see the local folks do well.

However, Terry McAullife is lucky not to be indicted.  And he is a shifty operator who does NOT operate on the up and up.  I would NEVER support him for Congress and I'm not Jim Walsh lover.

by unionmark on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 09:44:42 AM EST
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Speaking of Bad Idea Jeans... (none / 0)

Former Ohio Democratic Party Chair (and current Project Vote director) David Leland announced his DNC candidacy yesterday.  I cannot think of a worse person to lead the DNC.  Most people blame Leland for the sorry state the Ohio Democratic Party is in and his "hands-off" approach led to complete chaos within the party.  We're still trying to recover from his leadership in Ohio.
by Brutus Buckeye on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 09:27:44 AM EST

Terry (none / 0)

Why I don't like him:

  1.  He did everything he could to sabotage Dean.  Whether you liked Dean or not, it was for Democratic voters to decide, not the DNC Chair.

  2. He presided over two of the worst defeats in our history: 2002 and 2004 and had the gall to immediately try to spin those results into a positive.  Come on, if we lost, say we lost.

  3. He made silly strategical decisions, such as pouring tons of money into trying to beat Jeb in 2002.  That money could have been better spent elsewhere, and Jeb won easily.

  4.  He oozes creepiness and sleaziness, and turns moderate voters off.  The nice thing about Dean is that even people who don't agree with him appreciate his candor and down to earth bearing. McCaulife always seemed like a political creature to his very core.  He was incapable of seeming like a real person.  He was the Democratic Party, processed, liquified, and poured in a can.

by alhill on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 11:20:45 AM EST

Terry's Bad Rep (none / 0)

First, he's a fundraiser. Not only that, he's a corporate fundraiser. Since it's not easy getting big business to contribute to a populist, pro-labor party, Terry Mac has felt it necessary to muddle our message.

There's a place for fundraisers at the DNC, but it's not at the top!

Second, he has a bit of a sleaze problem. I believe he was involved in the Global Crossing scandal, if memory serves.

But the most important reason Terry has a bad rep is his job performance. Frankly, he sucks. He's the George Tenet of the DNC.

As I seem to recall someone saying once, "it's time for him to go!"

If you're always playing the fear card, it's a pretty good sign you're not playing with a full deck!
by Mathwiz on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 12:06:30 PM EST


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